My god, why do Draek theads always end up as fitting advice to uncreative Drake pilots?

That's a very good question.

That fitting of yours would die in fire vs the Cane of mine :) like I said, will do the test soon enough and fraps it too :)

It loses to dual neut AC Cane if Drake pilot is stupid enough to warp to neut range.

A dual neut ac cane that is no longer a 425 dual medium neut cane per the cane nerf in the op (?)

I see so much less butthurt posting from cane pilots itt because I would bet most of them are busy trying to figure out how to adjust fittings instead of whining, like spoiled drake pilots are doing.

That reason you give here is the one you see with your perception. There might be another reason for this too, that is .. if the Cane wont work so good anymore, there will be plenty of other winmatar projectile ships left, which *do* work :) so not so much reason to be upset. But all this has been said before. If you dont want to see the light you wont see it. :)

That reason you give here is the one you see with your perception. There might be another reason for this too, that is .. if the Cane wont work so good anymore, there will be plenty of other winmatar projectile ships left, which *do* work :) so not so much reason to be upset. But all this has been said before. If you dont want to see the light you wont see it. :)

Name one . . .

im not sure if you've ever seen a vagabond try to take on a drake, but its quite like seeing a dune buggy vs a mack truck in a demolition derby

sure, the vaga would have to do something seriously stupid to lose, but it would never ever win that fight.

what about the tengu vs the loki? same story pretty much . . .

How about the rupture vs . . . oh wait thats a T1 cruiser . . .

What about the tempest vs . . . oh wait tracking and speed issues.

What about the tornado? possibly . . . even though its paper thin and gets blown up by bombers . . .

What about the rifter? aHA, the rifter is still a good ship ok I found one . . .

Wow youre right, so many totally overpowered projectile ships that work so well . . .

You *will* have HAM and Torp to play with.

your perception, again. For sure we will not have Torp working with a Raven after this patch. Maybe in future times. And about that guy who said rage Torps range will be buffed .. read again.

I think the problem is that you're using your experience when saying that turrets apply more damage, and thats totally understandable, but not at all how you should go about balancing things.

everything has to be balanced around the best players. Sure against 90% of players, turrets will do more damage than missiles because they *herp* *derp* set approach and press F1, but you dont balance around all of the morons, you have to balance around the best.

I guarantee you'd be far better off in a drake than you would in a harbinger if the frigate tackling you were piloted by garmon

Its just like starcraft, right now im gold league, and I think storm is totally imba, its impossible to dodge and kills me every time, but they dont balance around people like me, they have to balance for the best people in the world, or the super GSL code S players would completely break the game.

Its the same here; they could balance around you fighting me, but if they did that, someone like garmon could use greater piloting skill to be completely unbeatable.

I know Conflag is really bad ammo against fast frigates like Dramiel.



I want to see:
- Rail Brutix doing 400+ dps at 70+ km
- Beam Harbinger doing 400 dps at 100 km

Nevermind... Those don't exist.

Oh, and you probably want to watch this. A lot of info about how turrets work in game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JvfhVXbMgc8

My god, why do Draek theads always end up as fitting advice to uncreative Drake pilots?

That reason you give here is the one you see with your perception. There might be another reason for this too, that is .. if the Cane wont work so good anymore, there will be plenty of other winmatar projectile ships left, which *do* work :) so not so much reason to be upset. But all this has been said before. If you dont want to see the light you wont see it. :)

I want to see a HML drake do damage instantaneously....

I want to see it do nearly 600 dps in close.....

Could you show us where they use missiles for sniping in real world?
Where missiles deal instant damage in real world?



Use HAMs.

Dude, read the whole quote

I did. She wants missiles with instant damage. She also wants HMLs to deal 600 dps (like 400 at 120 km isn't enough...). She wants to snipe with missiles (just like they do somewhere in real world ).

this^^
lol, had one near the middle of this thread who was completely ignorant of cookie cutter HAM drakes.

also did someone say HAMs dnt apply decent damage to their own size? cause they REALLY do.

Right now in med/large hulls Caldari missile PvP has this one option

- Caracal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F6_q6XROTY
- Blackbird
What's more annoying than getting killed by missile spammer? You get killed by jamming missile spammer.
- Raven
- Scorpion NI
- Drake
- Tengu

And if you just could realize that Caldari isn't "missile race":
- Vulture
- Ferox
- Rokh
- Tengu (yes, it has hybrid subsystem too )

And to your "HAM only work against BSs and capitals!".
Train your missile support skills. Even I can hit cruisers and BCs fine with my HAM Sacrilege (yeah, like there's a working HML version ) and I only have missile support skills at level 2-3.

And the others have better working close range options. Lets look at this again:

PS:

Again, if I were a dev I would do something completely different:

- change Fury to short range is ok. Nerfing its softstats is not. Reducing its damage also is just ridiculous.

- change t1/faction range to medium is ok. Nerfing the damage is not needed IMO.

- introduce t2 long range with lower DPS to match the DPS of turret ships on sniping ranges at around ~70km for example. Or make it 75/80km, whatever feels best for balance. Before that mark turrets would have the edge, after that mark the missiles would be a bit better (til they run out). Flight time should be short, and velocity should be very high, so sniping actually makes sense.

Feel free to comment on that one, feel free to tell me what are your concerns with this idea.

All other fittings were nothing new to me, although none of them was really good. I think there are better options for "real" Eve PvP. But for sure wont post them as long as there is no need :)

You mean high sec pvp ? :o

Smacktalking is funny in fact.

For the railboats I didnt object. But matter of fact is many Caldari dont have gunnery skills, since the options they had (hybrids) used to suck for a long time and got buffed not so long ago. If a Caldari will go gunnery, then he is smart and just goes Winmatar anyway. You forgot the Naga, which is far more important than the Ferox btw.

Smacktalk is all you got, little gallentean boy :) So stick with it, you are far better there than in explaining things about missiles. Has been pointed out before for example how new precisions will fail .. but you decide to live in your little gallentean world, and I understand very well you dont like missiles there :)

For the railboats I didnt object. But matter of fact is many Caldari dont have gunnery skills, since the options they had (hybrids) used to suck for a long time and got buffed not so long ago. If a Caldari will go gunnery, then he is smart and just goes Winmatar anyway. You forgot the Naga, which is far more important than the Ferox btw.

Tengu has one of the best gunnery subsystems. Why you or other Pro Caldari pilots don't use it? Well, because you can do everything better with HML.

I don't like when Caldari get their Nerf...

i am Caldari :/


On a side note - RAGE torpedoes require 2-3 target painters on a golem to make the most out of them. They help compensate for the extremely low explosion velocity of all torps. Even a Hulk can speed tank them :P