teir 3 BCs have a soft underbelly that can be exploited by fast cruisers and arty canes high alpha produce a similar DPS to the other long range weapons so its not like the are going to be sitting on a throne made from melted down railboats on a hill of drake skulls.

But again you cant have everything equal, it doesn't work.

If you look at the base stats of the weapon after the change you will see that HML are on par with the other weapons (slightly better DPS at range acctually)

Tracking/Range Mods and Ewar

-Modify tracking enhancers and tracking computers to affect:
Max flight time (with optimal range script)
Explosion radius and explosion velocity (with tracking speed script)
-Make TDs affect Missiles
Tracking speed disruption script lowers explosion velocity and explosion radius
Optimal range disruption script lowers flight time

No, that post is from me. The guy expecting close range damage from a long range weapon was you by stating a tengu does 800+dps, which it does not.

You can have everything balanced. HML doing around the same damage and getting a similar range as the other long range weapons is much better.

Pulse lasers have more optimal than hybrids and autocannons, nerf that to bring it in line.
Arties have too much alpha compared to other systems, reduce it to bring it in line with other systems.
Hybrids do way too much damage at 1km compared to other systems, reduce it to bring it in line with other systems.

You see where this goes?

The reason they have more _base_ damage because other systems in the first place is that they suffer heavy penalties from anything that is not a standing still battleship and which, unlike with turrets, you cant compensate for by flying your ship in a certain way. The resulting real damage that is applied is almost never 100% and can be as low as 10% or less, not being able to break a frigates passive shield recharge.

Each of them do the same job differently and are all viable.

Let me tell you how I don't think it's hilarious when I come across a rail brutix.

Heavy Missiles! The new Failguns! I meen railguns.


Also, bad luck Caracal, get buffed by tericide, weapon systems nerfed by CCP next week.


but seriously, the range nerf to HML's was warranted, they are a cruiser based weapon after all and the range on some missile boats is pretty ridiculous, but 20% damage? They're already one of the lowest dps weapon systems around. You're over doing it, please re-think this one; talk with the CSM about it, please.


Also, with this boost to tracking disrupter's could you consider a very slight reduction in base stats? To bring them in line with other E-War which is only very effective on bonus'd ships.

Don't think that's going to change anything. Well, as far as a rail brutix goes. Blaster ones should be really good if they buff them.

60 pages of players who get that small changes to two ships make more sense than sweeping changes that affect an entire class of combat that by far wasn't problematic beyond two ships.

60 pages of people saying nerf range, but lay off nerfing dps.

60 pages of people saying focus specifically on the drake/tengu.



Who wants to bet this "constructive feedback" gets overlooked and we see this proposition go through unchanged.

60 pages of players who get that small changes to two ships make more sense than sweeping changes that affect an entire class of combat that by far wasn't problematic beyond two ships.

60 pages of people saying nerf range, but lay off nerfing dps.

60 pages of people saying focus specifically on the drake/tengu.



Who wants to bet this "constructive feedback" gets overlooked and we see this proposition go through unchanged.

60 pages of players who get that small changes to two ships make more sense than sweeping changes that affect an entire class of combat that by far wasn't problematic beyond two ships.

60 pages of people saying nerf range, but lay off nerfing dps.

60 pages of people saying focus specifically on the drake/tengu.



Who wants to bet this "constructive feedback" gets overlooked and we see this proposition go through unchanged.

No, that post is from me. The guy expecting close range damage from a long range weapon was you by stating a tengu does 800+dps, which it does not.

60 pages of players who get that small changes to two ships make more sense than sweeping changes that affect an entire class of combat that by far wasn't problematic beyond two ships.

60 pages of people saying nerf range, but lay off nerfing dps.

60 pages of people saying focus specifically on the drake/tengu.



Who wants to bet this "constructive feedback" gets overlooked and we see this proposition go through unchanged.

Let me know how it went the last time a weapon system got changed before the ships that used it got changed and what happened to the diversity of ships and weapon systems used ... I'll wait. Oh yeah, we got the projectile "balance" patch which was left unchecked for years and caused a homogenization of ship, tank, and weapon system across the board.

Saying that "the problem will be fixed on the hulls" is a pathetic attempt at being an apologist. We are already seeing the same crap as before on the reworked amarr cruisers. Mattar is getting tracking and falloff/damage, Amarr gets -cap use and something else. Really guys? Matar get 2 useful bonus, and amarr keep the same tired bonus instead of getting a base cap bump? Really sad at the direction this game is taking, just call it Minmattar Online and be done with it already.

Well to be honest my HM Tengu does nearly close to 800dps with a range of 114km but it did cost an arm and a leg to get it to that.

60 pages of players who get that small changes to two ships make more sense than sweeping changes that affect an entire class of combat that by far wasn't problematic beyond two ships.

60 pages of people saying nerf range, but lay off nerfing dps.

60 pages of people saying focus specifically on the drake/tengu.



Who wants to bet this "constructive feedback" gets overlooked and we see this proposition go through unchanged.