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Vince Draken
D00M. Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:44:00 -
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Well, **** you tengus and **** you drakes v0v
Tracking/Range Mods and Ewar -Modify tracking enhancers and tracking computers to affect: Max flight time (with optimal range script) Explosion radius and explosion velocity (with tracking speed script) -Make TDs affect Missiles Tracking speed disruption script lowers explosion velocity and explosion radius Optimal range disruption script lowers flight time
^ This is the best part of the changes imo.
This is a good change CCP Fozzie, it will require certian alliances in eve online to use their heads a little when coming up with fleet comps! |
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War DarkSide.
768
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:44:00 -
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At least give NH some grid (FINALLY) to somewhat offset damage reduction. You cutting that of Cane shows you can easily do it. 14 |
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
193
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:45:00 -
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I love how every single enemy has suddenly managed to fit TDs for all the crying missile users. |
Lelob
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:45:00 -
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Sounds like a caracal nerf to me :( |
Way Rin
Onion Corps SOLAR FLEET
2
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:48:00 -
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someone cried a lot and got the result
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muhadin
Origin. Black Legion.
119
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:49:00 -
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+ motherfucking 1 "Love the Life you Live, Live the Life you Love" |
Goldensaver
Vorbild Industries Inc. State Section 9
4
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:49:00 -
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I love seeing all these "DEATH TO DRAKE AND TENGU" posts without thinking about other ships that might've had to use HM's...
Nighthawk, Caracal, Cerberus, etc.
The Caracal's getting a slight buff, but the DPS with HM's is going to be terrible.
Ed: and don't even get me started on the other two... |
Allandri
Liandri Industrial Liandri Covenant
2
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:49:00 -
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Since I don't use dreadnaughts, what is the implication of this change with regards to pilots using Phoenix's? |
Cpt Gobla
No Bullshit Jokers Wild.
75
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:50:00 -
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Very interesting changes.
I do like the idea of gaining more fitting options for missile boats. Many Caldari boats have already been discussed but one thing that sprung to my mind is a Torpedo Typhoon using these updated Tracking Enhancers.
Depending on how much they increase the range and reduce the explosion velocity this could turn into one mean Battleship, even more so than it is now. Especially since TEs benefit ACs as well.
The new Bellicose likewise seems to open some interesting options. Combining these new Tracking Enhancers with a bonused Target Painter will probably do very, very nasty things to frigates, even with the reduced HM damage.
I don't fly Caldari, so I'll leave other to comment on that. But I like how this will benefit Minmatar Ships with split weapon systems.
Could this possibly even be a buff to the Naglfar? And, seeing as TEs would provide exactly what Citadel Torps need, maybe even the Phoenix? |
baltec1
Bat Country
2143
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:50:00 -
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Lelob wrote:Sounds like a caracal nerf to me :(
I use lights on mine so I'm getting buffed |
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SMT008
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
457
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:50:00 -
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Guess we'll have to come up with another cheap fleetcomp with which we'll be able to outblob everyone on this side of the galaxy and suicide those fleets on much more expensive fleets.
Life goes on. |
Schmell
Russian Thunder Squad Against ALL Authorities
6
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:51:00 -
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Uhm...cough...did you check on armor cane fittings when you were working out that PG nerf? Because armor cane will be hit really hard by this, there wasn't so much free pg
Aside this, pretty cool changes |
arbalesttom
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:52:00 -
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Ehhhh wait...i thought the Drake was the problem...not heavy missiles WTG :ccp: |
Steelshine
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
78
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:54:00 -
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Bagehi wrote:Steelshine wrote:RIP Heavy Missiles, you now get to go to that special place where hybrids lived for so many years. Maybe you'll be useful again in 2016 Perhaps we can expect to see some variety in fleet compositions now. Less "oh look, another drake gang" or "hey look, a tengu gang" is a good thing in my book.
I agree with this, personally between my main and alt I have Large Hybrid, Projectile, and Laser V, excited to get to use some more of them.
Just concerned about the newbros across eve, the HML + drake has been a great low SP workhorse. Perhaps too good. These numbers now look like an execution though, not a reduction in general effectiveness. |
Terrorina
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:55:00 -
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Seriously nerfing HML's as a whole is way too excessive. What about us null-sec ratters who have come to rely on the Tengu because it is the only somewhat effective ship to make money while the low-high sec guys get to play FW and incursions for big isks.
I agree Drakes have become too OP for a BC ship and they should have their bonus's reduced or changed accordingly but nerfing HML's entirely is like chopping off an arm because of a broken finger.
If you're going to change them anyway, at least for the love of god give us null-sec grunts a way to make some decent money. You've already nerfed tech, which is fine.. but you didn't replace it with a bottom up way for us grunts to make money (and please don't say sigs, i'm not flying around for hours in the hopes to find a decent site and then hoping a ton of other people haven't found it first in the hopes that I have a slim chance of getting a module that is worth something if I can survive hauling it to Jita). |
Alx Warlord
Security Task Force
160
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:55:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Pisov viet wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote: Heavy Missiles -Base flight time reduced by 30% -Base velocity increased by 6.66% -In total, base range reduced by ~25% -Damage decreased by 20% (rounded to closest digit) -Affects all variant Heavy missiles, including FOF.
Is that only heavy missiles, or also heavy assault missiles? Just heavy missiles.
and what about the heavy assault missile? doesn't it need a buff? noone uses them... [Discussion] - New POS System (Construction Block Built - Starbasecraft) |
Vizvig
Savage Blizzard Bora Alis
9
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:55:00 -
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Huurraaaa!!!! |
Lord MuffloN
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:55:00 -
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For everyone comparing blasters to heavy missiles, you're dead wrong and they should be compared to HAM's. |
Malleus Sicarius
0utLaw. Northern Coalition.
0
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:56:00 -
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lol, keep nerfing those damn useless ships maybe goons will refit to other kinds of fleet doctrine ships ..... YOU TAKING AWAY GOONS TOYS, REALLY?
THEY ALLREADY STARTED CRYING ON STATE OF GOONION BOUT THIS NERF :))))
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Hannott Thanos
Notorious Legion
104
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:56:00 -
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Alx Warlord wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:Pisov viet wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote: Heavy Missiles -Base flight time reduced by 30% -Base velocity increased by 6.66% -In total, base range reduced by ~25% -Damage decreased by 20% (rounded to closest digit) -Affects all variant Heavy missiles, including FOF.
Is that only heavy missiles, or also heavy assault missiles? Just heavy missiles. and what about the heavy assault missile? doesn't it need a buff? noone uses them... ....because HML's were too awesome, not because HAMS were bad. |
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Sebastian Hoch
Black Lance Fidelas Constans
33
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:57:00 -
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NiGhTTraX wrote:The current Drake with 7x T2 HML launchers and 2x T2 BCU, firing T1 Scourge Heavy Missiles outputs 321 DPS. With 7x T2 HAM launchers and 2x T2 BCU, firing Scourge outputs 401 DPS. The Hurricane with 6x T2 720mm Artys and 2x T2 Gyrostabs with EMP outputs 371 DPS. The Hurricane with 6x T2 425mm Autocannons and 2x T2 Gyrostabs with EMP outputs 477 DPS. The new Drake will only have 0.8 x 321 = 257 DPS at a 25% lower range or 320 DPS with HAMs. It becomes the shittiest battlecruiser in terms of DPS. And if you nerf it further by reducing its tank, well.... Oh and now they can be tracking disrupted? Goodbye solo missile platforms! CCP Frozie wrote:The upshot is that fitting a full rack of 720s with a MWD and LSE and full mids and lows will require a RCUII and either an ACR or PG implant. Also fitting a standard shield autocane with neuts and LSE will require dropping a few guns down to 220mm. No other high tier battlecruiser requires implants or gun downgrading to fulfill its intended purpose. These decisions seem terrible on paper imho.
Don't forget missile boats still have their native disadvantages of travel time to apply dps and unique vulnerability to firewall defenses. Even if missile boats are made equal in damage and range, they would already have issues in comparison.
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Sirane Elrek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
139
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:57:00 -
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Lili Lu wrote:Earn those tech moons brother. Well at least until they are also nerfed. i see what you did there |
DeadDuck
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
25
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:58:00 -
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So HAM's continue to be crap and the Sacrilege useless... |
Cravenel
Confederated Armed Traders High Rollers
1
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:58:00 -
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how is this an expansion... this is just another irrelevant, arbitrary change to game mechanics.
Fleets will switch to yet another optimum ship, people who can fly any ship will just buy another one and the only people who will see the difference in their game experience will be new player who were unaware that choosing Caldari as your start race is a terrible mistake. |
StevieTopSiders
Evolution The Retirement Club
54
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:59:00 -
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Daneel Trevize wrote:YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES
I lived to see the day!
**** YEAH WOOP WOOP WOOP WOOP
This is literally the best change ever.
CCP saving the game. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
226
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Posted - 2012.09.18 14:59:00 -
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Blawrf McTaggart wrote:undeniable proof that CCP is staffed by ncdot and nulli :\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
What, did CCP fire all the Goon Devs then?
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Shiroh Yatamii
Alexylva Paradox
34
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Posted - 2012.09.18 15:00:00 -
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All of what CCP seems to have been doing lately indicates an implicit drone boat buff. Drones can get the same-ish range you desire with HMLs if you fit for it. And have you tried TDing a single drone? Bet you'll feel smart after you try that. But we'll see. |
Alara IonStorm
3159
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Posted - 2012.09.18 15:00:00 -
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Hannott Thanos wrote: ....because HML's were too awesome, not because HAMS were bad.
No it was because HAM's were bad along with Medium Beams and Rails and the ships they go on.
Cutting this basically means the only LR Medium Weapon boat that is semi viable is the Cane.
They should not be nerfing the Drakes Dmg by 20% they should be fixing LR Medium Guns so they don't require a double Dmg bonus like on the Cane and can actually be used on Cruisers and Battlecruisers. |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
261
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Posted - 2012.09.18 15:01:00 -
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Heavy missile damage nerf makes sense to me. The difference in damage between the HML and HAMs has always seemed too slight in my opinion, especially when combined with the Drake hull.
Drakes can kick out 400+ raw dps at 85kms and still fit a tank using HMLs at present. The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1443
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Posted - 2012.09.18 15:02:00 -
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I don't really understand why CCP continue to do this "pendulum" style of balancing. Make something overpowered -> useless -> overpowered -> useless. |
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