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Fademist
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Posted - 2011.08.16 00:00:00 -
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Originally by: Rikeka
Originally by: Fademist
and why is pvp? u forget that is the only different mmo in the market today ? all the others is like wow clones...
You are right. Yet ships exploding in YouTube is what attracts subs. I don't know why, maybe it's the primordial pleasure we feel when we see someone blowing up or something. The violence, the "Got ya, sucker!" feeling of a well executed trap, or heist.
CCP, though it's videos and ads, sells PVP. And PVP sells well.
yes pvp sell but u must admit that to nerf high sec maybe is wrong ..better to buff low-null than nerf something or try to force ppl do what they dont want to do
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Rikeka
Eye of God
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Posted - 2011.08.16 00:01:00 -
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Edited by: Rikeka on 16/08/2011 00:01:42 To Cypher:
You said those ships give no profit... I say someone is clearly producing them, as they are probably the most used ships in the game. Now, if someone is producing them, they clearly do give some sort of profit. It's not like they are seeded to the NPC market hubs, right?
It's not exactly what you said, but it was headed there. For our benefit, I went deeper, but maybe it was too fast.
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Rikeka
Eye of God
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Posted - 2011.08.16 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Fademist
Originally by: Rikeka
Originally by: Fademist
and why is pvp? u forget that is the only different mmo in the market today ? all the others is like wow clones...
You are right. Yet ships exploding in YouTube is what attracts subs. I don't know why, maybe it's the primordial pleasure we feel when we see someone blowing up or something. The violence, the "Got ya, sucker!" feeling of a well executed trap, or heist.
CCP, though it's videos and ads, sells PVP. And PVP sells well.
yes pvp sell but u must admit that to nerf high sec maybe is wrong ..better to buff low-null than nerf something or try to force ppl do what they dont want to do
I agree. If anything, I would prefer low-sec boosted, then maybe (but less) null-sec. Make it much more rewarding to actually risk stuff.
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Generals4
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.08.16 00:05:00 -
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I think the best solution would be to add some extra uniqueness to both low and null. Nerfing High would simply make too many people really angry and they won't move to null or low as a result , they will cancel their subs.
Maybe Dust will offer such an opportunity. Otherwise all i can see is add some pirate stuff or such.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.08.16 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Rikeka Edited by: Rikeka on 16/08/2011 00:01:42 To Cypher:
You said those ships give no profit... I say someone is clearly producing them, as they are probably the most used ships in the game. Now, if someone is producing them, they clearly do give some sort of profit. It's not like they are seeded to the NPC market hubs, right?
It's not exactly what you said, but it was headed there. For our benefit, I went deeper, but maybe it was too fast.
Still not what I said, just give up, you are not even trying at this point. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Mystical Might
Amarr The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.08.16 00:13:00 -
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Don't mind me. I'm just here to fill up my tear jar. Carry On.
In my eyes, High-sec is way too risk free. It's really easy for someone to sit in the noob corp and farm level four missions all day (High-sec). In faction warfare (low-sec), although we still have level fours, the risks we take are insanely large compared to those in 0.5+. I can't wait for low-sec to recieve the buffs it needs to make it worth while for other people to move down there, as i'm seeing a serious lack of carebears to milk tears from.
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Kira Bellum
Amarr Schwarzwald Homeland
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Posted - 2011.08.16 00:31:00 -
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I dont think lvl 4s will go away.
I do think theyll be nerfed in hisec. Think about it this way, there are plenty of nonpvp inclined people who want to fly nice and shiny ships in missions for money.
a proposed change to keep these people in the game while still nerfing lvl 4s would be something like this...
half bounty, LP, and no meta 4 item rewards in hisec. low sec lvl 4s stay the same, and 0.0 rewards are doubled.
carebears will do the math and figure out that they are best staying in hisec.... adventurous people will on occasion, or regularly head out with cheapish ships to low sec.
so in the end the shiny toy carebears can still do what theyve done before and still make a decent profit at it. but the fact that it will be FOUR times as fast if they missioned in 0.0 will always be on their mind. it wont be exactly 4x as fast, they cant bring the super expensive ships and there must be time spent on logistics.
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.16 00:46:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Fina
Originally by: Dusty Warrior Edited by: Dusty Warrior on 15/08/2011 22:46:39
Captain,
Believe me buddy... I understand all of that, but yet again the ones who helped set that up see very little return in the scheme of things.
I've been there and done about everything in null there was to do. I was in a position to see how much alliance heads rake in isk wise. Yet, it still doesn't seem enough for them. They want to reach out and destroy hi-sec which has worked fine for 8 years, thus far.
The reason why people are losing interest in null sec isn't because of the revenue in hi-sec, but the treatment they recieve in 0.0 by supposed comrads. They're treated as slaves.
If you're an industrialists you are expected to mine your quota and respond to CTAs all the while trying to make a little isk on the side. When you are trying to meet your quota the PVPrs are off looking for pew pew leaving industrialists to bid for themselves.
If you're a PVP'r you're expected to support yourself while protecting someone's sov with little or no compensation while yet again the corp/alliance heads sit in hi-sec raking in the isk by the billions weekly.
Jealous? I make my isk with my own back, not on the back of others. It's a matter of principle for me even if it's a game.
If you're unhappy with the way your alliance are run it isn't the fault of the space you're in but the inherent structure of your organisation. There are corrupt leaders in high-sec also.
Ok, so there is badly run alliances. I don't see how this relates to the subject.
HereÆs how it relates. CCP feels that the reason more people arenÆt in null is there isnÆt enough profit in null compared to high sec. The writer is indicating, and accurately so, that people arenÆt in null because they donÆt want to put up with the bull of the corps and alliances large enough to survive there. The indication is that people are in high sec because they like their independence and the relatively bull free of smaller corps.
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.16 00:48:00 -
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Originally by: Rikeka If empire dwellers really want no change to empire... FINE. Boost only 0.0... make it ratting or mining there 4 or 5 times more profitable than in empire.
Problem solved. No nerf to empire, and 0.0 dwellers are happy (of course, prices would then reflect 0.0 commodities and rewards, since empire is ****, 0.0 determines EVE economy, not the mindless drones in high sec).
Then tell that to CCP cause it isnÆt what theyÆre proposing.
Regarding mindless dronesàààà.isnÆt that what all those null sec sheep are? Drones buzzing around their queens?
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Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.08.16 01:33:00 -
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Originally by: Windjammer The writer is indicating, and accurately so, that people arenÆt in null because they donÆt want to put up with the bull of the corps and alliances large enough to survive there. The indication is that people are in high sec because they like their independence and the relatively bull free of smaller corps.
You literally have no clue how nullsec works.
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Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.08.16 01:33:00 -
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I'm laughing. Complaints about nerfing anoms, now complaints about nerfing high sec. Good I say. Fewer risk free activities I say. More player-player interaction is good for Eve because it is, above all else, the niche.
This signature is useless, but it is red.
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Issler Dainze
Minmatar Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
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Posted - 2011.08.16 01:54:00 -
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Removing ice and ore types from high sec is not the answer. You need to make low sec and 0.0 worth going to with unique experiences, not just more and shinier of the same ol'.
Here is what I would do if I ran the 'verse.
Low sec is where you make drugs and smuggle. I also introduce the idea of quasi concord like player possees. Note, I would make the possee mechanic something that allowed for "less than honest" security that could do things like impose "gate taxes" and other "security fees" for transit. I'd also introduce comets that allowed collection of rare moon minerals for skilled risk taking miners. Comets would require active action to mine and require non-trivially expensive ship types that would need active security.
For 0.0 I'd introduce a mechanism to allow SOV controlled NPC elements for security including gate guns and I'd totally revamp the combat system to make supercaps and giant fleets less useful. Basically make the biggest ships support elements for advancing fleets but not directly super weapons. Make combat encounters optimized for smaller fleet sizes with a greater mix of elements. Also, and I know I'm going to get slammed for this, I'd create a SOV holder controlled NPC mining system. BOTs the SOV holder can deploy and allow to run 24/7. They would have a controller that had to be deployed where the resources are collected automatically and they would consume fuel. They would be expensive and exciting new targets (make them take a long time to take down to keep them vulnerable if someone wants to pop them) Let's face it, the big SOV holders bot there anyways, lets make a system to allow that officially and also make it an expensive resource that can be targeted by aggressors. Also introduce a new WH gate that someone with the highest SOV could use to stabilize the entrance to a WH. Again it would need fuel and would be a nice target.
I would also modify the SOV mechanism so that you can only have SOV in systems that you are active in. No more empty wasted systems. You have to use it or lose it.
Just a few ideas that sound better than nerfing high sec.
Issler
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Dusty Warrior
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Posted - 2011.08.16 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ladie Scarlet
Originally by: Windjammer The writer is indicating, and accurately so, that people arenÆt in null because they donÆt want to put up with the bull of the corps and alliances large enough to survive there. The indication is that people are in high sec because they like their independence and the relatively bull free of smaller corps.
You literally have no clue how nullsec works.
Really?
Is that the only response you 0.0 carebears can give? Every time someone says something negative about 0.0 the response is that we don't understand. Dammit... get a new line as many of us so called lo-hi sec carebears have lived in 0.0, we KNOW!
You 0.0 carebears really need to refresh your screen and come up with a new line. We know! All anyone needs to look at is DOTLAN.COM and see how much pvp takes place in your so called impoverished 0.0 sov. While you're looking, take a look at pvp statistics in lo and hi sec... mkay?
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Rhaegor Stormborn
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.08.16 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Rabblt risk vs reward
High sec ***gots can rot.
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xavier69
Gallente Stark Enterprises LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.16 03:30:00 -
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Edited by: xavier69 on 16/08/2011 03:38:02 Edited by: xavier69 on 16/08/2011 03:37:33 Tippia
Let me put this in simple words you can understand and maybe the devs can
I as this toon I have 45m sp and I donÆt give FUK about low sec or 0.0
If I wanted to fly a fuking ship in low sec or 0.0 I would
Obviously I donÆt feel like getting rapzed by ganking azzholes 24/7 so I dont
I fly a rattlesnake with Max skills in it and do missions, if ccp dictates to me one more time how i will play there game
THEY CAN **** OFF AND I WILL UNSUB AND NEVER LOOK BACK
Sorry telling me how to play your mmo when its losing players by the droves is a pretty dumb idea, but seeing you plan out an mmo with 200k accounts using a 3 dolla marker board already tells me your idiots. The eve store aur thing is a great example of that
The monocle debacle and eve store lost you easily 10k accounts and this idiot type of move would lose you another 25k or more accounts if eve is in business to lose money your doing a GREAT JOB
I would say 80% of the high sec people would leave over the next year due to repeated deaths.
While the *******s on this forum calling for this would be the one doing the ganking and profiting
Thus your game would just get smaller and a few greed *******s would get richer at the cost of your games sub count
Lets do this cause 70 dollar monocles didnÆt **** off enough players into quitting !
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.16 03:41:00 -
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Originally by: xavier69 Obviously I donÆt feel like getting rapzed by ganking azzholes 24/7 so I dont
Yes? And? It's not like that happens in low or nullsec anywhere.
Quote: I fly a rattlesnake with Max skills in it and do missions, if ccp dictates to me one more time how i will play there game
ôOne more timeö? When did they do it the last time? And what makes you think they'll do it in the future? But more to the point that was being made: so? You still don't need a 500M ISK ship to run missions in lowsec.
Quote: Sorry telling me how to play your mmo
Good thing they're not doing that, then.
Quote: 3 dolla marker board
You keep bringing this one up. Why? What's wrong with white boards? They're pretty much unbeatable as group discussion tools. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
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xavier69
Gallente Stark Enterprises LLC
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Posted - 2011.08.16 03:46:00 -
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Level 4 missions in low sec = cancel sub forever
Hopefully you idiots can get that
i wont fly t1 trash with 45m sp due to gankers, if thatÆs it ill play one of the 100x mmo out there that donÆt playact to online predators
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Tippia
Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.08.16 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: xavier69 Level 4 missions in low sec = cancel sub forever
àwhich they're not even discussing.
Quote: i wont fly t1 trash with 45m sp due to gankers
Ehmà why not? If there are lots of gankers around, a T1 ship will certainly be a good choice. You'd be surprised what "T1 trash" is capable of if you fit and fly it properlyà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
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Dusty Warrior
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Posted - 2011.08.16 03:53:00 -
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Edited by: Dusty Warrior on 16/08/2011 03:58:48
Originally by: xavier69 Level 4 missions in low sec = cancel sub forever
Hopefully you idiots can get that
i wont fly t1 trash with 45m sp due to gankers, if thatÆs it ill play one of the 100x mmo out there that donÆt playact to online predators
Not sure they care buddy. Isn't it apparent by now the most of the ones wanting to nerf hi/lo/wh only care about padding their wallets?
Short of doing away with the CSM the next solution would be everyone in hi-sec join forces and go from null system to system removing all 0.0 inhabitants until they shut their mouths, of which I'm not sure it wouldn't be a bad idea to just go ahead and clean out the trash in null anyway. Seems they're the ones doing the most whining as of late. All the time making claims lo/hi/wh peeps are tearing up.
Actually... come to think of it... not sure lo/hi/wh people were whining about anything until 0.0 carebears started this debacle.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
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Posted - 2011.08.16 04:01:00 -
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Edited by: ShahFluffers on 16/08/2011 04:05:17
Originally by: Windjammer CCP feels that the reason more people arenÆt in null is there isnÆt enough profit in null compared to high sec. The writer is indicating, and accurately so, that people arenÆt in null because they donÆt want to put up with the bull of the corps and alliances large enough to survive there. The indication is that people are in high sec because they like their independence and the relatively bull free of smaller corps.
THIS, THIS, A THOUSAND TIMES THIS!!!!
As I said in a thread quite awhile back...
Originally by: ShahFluffers [...] the almost oppressive nature of the 0.0 corp's/alliance's organization and structure [...]
During my short tenure out there, it was indeed very profitable.... however the whole experience was soured when I had to input my API multiple times to join several different forums and comm systems, set those up, find the right channels, get the right permissions, find the right channels again, answer questions as to WHY I have these permissions, ask for the permissions back again, then having to drop everything to join an op that requires you use EXACTLY the ship/fittings that you have no skills for, and then defend your skill queue because everyone in the corp/alliance has a major hard-on for a specific race's ship/tactics and considers everything else worthless.
I'd rather deal with the pirates in Amamake than join any 0.0 alliance. _______________________
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Jerry Pepridge
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Posted - 2011.08.16 05:05:00 -
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this thread is p cool. _________________________________________________
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Ryhss
Caldari The Excecutorans
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Posted - 2011.08.16 05:33:00 -
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Originally by: Thorn Galen If this is true, if this happens, then it's game over for me.
Same here.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.08.16 05:37:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Tronic Edited by: Jack Tronic on 16/08/2011 05:04:38 LOL, nerf ice mining -> fuel spikes -> suddenly wspace is expensive -> suddenly 3billion tengu hulls to cover pos expenses -> WIN
I LIKE THIS NERF!!!!!!!!!!!
Man, I would ****ing get a 10000000000 terabyte harddrive just to fraps the month long failcascade of most of eve after that.
QUOTED from the actually feedback thread. If that isn't the best arguement not to nerf highsec ice then lol. quick everyone buy lokis and tengus.
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Mistah Ewedynao
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.16 05:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ladie Scarlet I am Lady Spank's Goon main/alt.
Get your buddie Mittanus to help you with character set up next time around....
This time around hopefully somebody with even HALF a clue will see this farce as another Alliance power grab....and DUMP Greyscale as a Dev.
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Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.08.16 05:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dusty Warrior Really?
Is that the only response you 0.0 carebears can give? Every time someone says something negative about 0.0 the response is that we don't understand.
Yes, really. When the same ignorant statements are made about nullsec from people who don't live there, have never lived there and never plan on living there then it's clear that the people making them don't understand how nullsec works. Especially when it comes to Windjammer...he has an axe to grind and an obvious agenda so nobody should be taking anything he says seriously.
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Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
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Posted - 2011.08.16 05:56:00 -
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Originally by: Bagehi I'm laughing. Complaints about nerfing anoms, now complaints about nerfing high sec. Good I say. Fewer risk free activities I say. More main-alt interaction is good for Eve because it is, above all else, the niche.
fixed it for you
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr Divine Power. Atlas.
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Posted - 2011.08.16 06:08:00 -
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Edited by: Nicolo da''Vicenza on 16/08/2011 06:12:26
Originally by: Mistah Ewedynao
Originally by: Ladie Scarlet I am Lady Spank's Goon main/alt.
Get your buddie Mittanus to help you with character set up next time around....
This time around hopefully somebody with even HALF a clue will see this farce as another Alliance power grab....and DUMP Greyscale as a Dev.
It's more like CCP has realized that the only thing drawing in new players into EVE is player-driven content and word of mouth. To this end they've put out an eve wiki and now eveisreal.net to harness this resource. And which players are generating said content? Nullsec players are. Pirates are. The smug NPC corp L4 mission runner aint generating squat other then a devaluation of ISK and flooding of the market. So don't be surprised that high-sec players aren't #1 on CCP's priority list.
CCP wants as many people as possible making headlines in the news, making propaganda posters, stylish gameplay videos and spreading word of mouth about EVE-Online to prospective new players. And floating around in a freighter moving trit from Jita to Amarr isn't exactly doing that. |
Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.16 06:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ladie Scarlet
Originally by: Windjammer The writer is indicating, and accurately so, that people arenÆt in null because they donÆt want to put up with the bull of the corps and alliances large enough to survive there. The indication is that people are in high sec because they like their independence and the relatively bull free of smaller corps.
You literally have no clue how nullsec works.
I see. So the little drone bee from the giant corp/alliance is going to tell me all about how it doesnÆt require a strong (sizable) corp to survive in null sec. Hypocrisy anyone? Seems to be flowing freely.
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Lady Aja
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Posted - 2011.08.16 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ana Vyr If the OP is correct, the proposed changes are a game-killer for me.
hmm how strange. will be 100% oppisite for me..
I would welcome the chance to be able to build t2 ships without there being a tech bottle-neck in the game.
imo thisis a long awaited change to the game.
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.08.16 06:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ladie Scarlet
Originally by: Dusty Warrior Really?
Is that the only response you 0.0 carebears can give? Every time someone says something negative about 0.0 the response is that we don't understand.
Yes, really. When the same ignorant statements are made about nullsec from people who don't live there, have never lived there and never plan on living there then it's clear that the people making them don't understand how nullsec works. Especially when it comes to Windjammer...he has an axe to grind and an obvious agenda so nobody should be taking anything he says seriously.
What axe and what agenda? IÆm responding to monumentally moronic suggestions from CCPàà..again. Well, that and your simplistic duplicity.
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