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Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor The Seventh Day	Posted - 2011.08.18 02:01:00 - [1] Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 18/08/2011 02:01:53 I was away for about 3 weeks doing some continuing education classes, I lead my first roam tonight into some of (what should have been) the busiest systems in EVE. Emptiness like I have never seen before everywhere... I guess some of these people threatening to rage quit actually did then? LOL
Obsidian Hawk RONA Corporation RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.08.18 02:06:00 - [2] We are all in HED-GP with a ton of pot, boosters, hookers, and beer. you should come join us!
Ryhss Caldari The Excecutorans	Posted - 2011.08.18 02:12:00 - [3] I'm playing Rift. Originally by: Kaethe Kollwitz null sec sucks dongs.
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor The Seventh Day	Posted - 2011.08.18 02:14:00 - [4] Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 18/08/2011 02:14:48 Originally by: Obsidian Hawk We are all in HED-GP with a ton of pot, boosters, hookers, and beer. you should come join us! Was there, not even the Russians waved at me. It's good to see the forum trolls are still talking out of their asses though \0/
Rotseib Ratam Minmatar Blatant Tax Avoidance	Posted - 2011.08.18 02:23:00 - [5] I'd say they're all warm and comfy holed up in their L5 sov systems, botting away at rats and roids. I'm cruising around random systems, if I see you I'll say hi.
Nemo deBlanc	Posted - 2011.08.18 02:40:00 - [6] Built yourself a massive blob and wondered why you didn't spot too many people?
Judge Ment BOOM BOOM POW	Posted - 2011.08.18 04:25:00 - [7] I play RIFT ------------------------------------- We judge others by actions We judge ourselves by intentions.
daddys helper	Posted - 2011.08.18 04:36:00 - [8] everyone is trying to get their money grind on before empire turns into a shanty town
Dusty Warrior	Posted - 2011.08.18 04:58:00 - [9] I say we all just form up and fly down to 0.0 and kill anything that moves or thinks of moving. Surely there is enough people who care enough to change the tide. That would atleast solve the plex=CCP liabilty problem. All the 0.0 carebears will have to use their botting isk to replace everything. Then just camp them so they can't use their bots for a while. That'll liquidate their assets so they'll shut up.
Judge Ment BOOM BOOM POW	Posted - 2011.08.18 05:05:00 - [10] Originally by: Dusty Warrior I say we all just form up and fly down to 0.0 and kill anything that moves or thinks of moving. Surely there is enough people who care enough to change the tide. That would atleast solve the plex=CCP liabilty problem. All the 0.0 carebears will have to use their botting isk to replace everything. Then just camp them so they can't use their bots for a while. That'll liquidate their assets so they'll shut up. Possible what CCP might looking forward too. But CCP and so many have hard understanding that, most people frankly just dont care enough to PVP. Some try it and dislike because they suck at it, have attention span of twig or just dont take order well at all. I believe that some people dislike orders, will not do what CEO aspects them to do and are playing EVE they way they like. There are many types of people who play EVE and from all walks of life so there for you never going to bring everyone together to play your game! I wish CCP the best and I know I have paid my dues for many years but this time Im fed up with just about everything. EVE has become a new playground and Im sorry to say I miss the old ****TARD one.. and Abusive language! funny people like Milano and Maybe my friend George who play for the risk of the game!.. TATA GIRLS ------------------------------------- We judge others by actions We judge ourselves by intentions.
Alex Sinai Mining And Probing Specialists	Posted - 2011.08.18 05:29:00 - [11] I notice emptiness of Null sec too. At first I was surprised when I went for a visit to pick up some BPOs of how empty it became. As I was passing systems that thrived with life and busy campers, hunters and just ships or full locals I wondered where's everyone. These systems look like ghosts with planets but no people. I flew deep into Null this time and to my surprise I saw only two gate camps in about 40 jumps total of considerably smaller amount of ships then it's used to be. If before it was 30-50 ships camping now its barely 10-18 ships at the same locations. So yes there is emptiness and honestly that scares me more then super-carrier.
Dusty Warrior	Posted - 2011.08.18 05:46:00 - [12] Edited by: Dusty Warrior on 18/08/2011 05:46:23 Seriously? Come on guys, don't you pay attention? They're less people online now because students are heading back to school/college. After all, the average age of EVE playerbase is what? The lack of players throughout this summer was in no way related to the earlier "Gold Ammo" debacle. Nope, it was because EVERYONE was taking vacation. NOW... let those kiddies get back to school and college, mkay?
Brooks Puuntai Minmatar Nomadic Asylum	Posted - 2011.08.18 06:09:00 - [13] Originally by: Dusty Warrior Edited by: Dusty Warrior on 18/08/2011 05:46:23 Seriously? Come on guys, don't you pay attention? They're less people online now because students are heading back to school/college. After all, the average age of EVE playerbase is what? The lack of players throughout this summer was in no way related to the earlier "Gold Ammo" debacle. Nope, it was because EVERYONE was taking vacation. NOW... let those kiddies get back to school and college, mkay? I await Tippia to come and dispute your claim. Summer has nothing to do with a decrease in active players. Compare last years PCU to this years during the same time frame and you will see a dip. Not only that even with it being summer there is always a peak right after a expansion is released, no matter what season it is. There was non this time and actually there was a dip(if I remember correctly) when it came to Incarna.
Herping yourDerp	Posted - 2011.08.18 07:38:00 - [14] the nullsec botts insta log out when u warp in so its empty. Eve online next expansion details
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.18 07:50:00 - [15] Originally by: Dusty Warrior Seriously? Come on guys, don't you pay attention? They're less people online now because students are heading back to school/college. After all, the average age of EVE playerbase is what? Somewhere in the 30s iirc. But the result remains the same: the young ones go back to school, the old ones go back to work after vacation. Quote: The lack of players throughout this summer was in no way related to the earlier "Gold Ammo" debacle. Nope, it was because EVERYONE was taking vacation. Not really, no. Numbers usually go up when people take vacation ù they have more time to play, after all. The whole "summer dip" is a myth. Instead, it is what you described above: an "early autumn" dip, when the summer winds down and people go back to their lives without quite as much need for free time and escapism. What we saw this summer was something spectacular and unique: a severe dip in player activity directly connected to an expansion. Both the summer itself and the patch should have boosted the numbers. Instead, the patch managed to kill the upwards trend that was going on (as expected) at the time. Let me repeat that: the numbers were going up, as they always do in expectations of a patch and as they always do in the early summer. Then they took a nosedive the second the expansion hit. This is not normal. Originally by: Brooks Puuntai I await Tippia to come and dispute your claim. I only dispute the summer part. He's quite correct in saying that there is a dip when people go back to work/school. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Alain Kinsella Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.18 10:18:00 - [16] I'd have to agree on the 'severe drop' part. Login the last two weeks has been a surprise, as the '# logins' count is back to 2009 levels (under 30K). Weekends are still holding up a bit. I could definitely see the release itself being a factor, as well as the 'drama' that occurred shortly afterward. Both were not a big deal to me since they did not go over the cliff - yet. In fact I ended up re-activating (temporarily) a spare account to add more skills to a general-purpose alt. I don't like my other options available at this time anyway - Uru is effectively dead (or indefinite stasis), and SL would encourage me into massive money sinks again. Given what I'm doing at work right now (Nagios/Icinga programming), its very possible I'd leave gaming altogether and wander into FOSS projects again.
Lilith Ishanoya Lai Dai Shipments	Posted - 2011.08.18 10:25:00 - [17] Also don't forget that a fair amount of free 51 day alt accounts have been made, so that kinda hides the low numbers even more. __ Friendliness goes a long way
Miss Rabblt	Posted - 2011.08.18 10:26:00 - [18] passed Goonswarm federation space. Entered Wildly Inappropriate one. Quite empty too. Only lazy carebears "drop your ship at 20km from the gates and we will get rid of it" Thinking about visiting monument of first destroyed titan in c9n. And other interesting place near (old chemical factory or something) which is some kind of special. You see it on star map however no options like "set destination" for it
Sneakybustard	Posted - 2011.08.18 11:00:00 - [19] russians have taken most of 0.0 just because they can with their huge supercapital blob. majority of systems are completely empty ghost towns and best systems will be filled with bots who warp to pos/cloak/logoff when hostiles come to system. welcome to new eve online. maybe ccp should consider doing something very soon before they lose more players..
Big shlong Johnson	Posted - 2011.08.18 11:30:00 - [20] Originally by: Sneakybustard russians have taken most of 0.0 just because they can with their huge supercapital blob. majority of systems are completely empty ghost towns and best systems will be filled with bots who warp to pos/cloak/logoff when hostiles come to system. welcome to new eve online. maybe ccp should consider doing something very soon before they lose more players.. this
Soi Mala Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen	Posted - 2011.08.18 11:32:00 - [21] Originally by: Sneakybustard russians have taken most of 0.0 just because they can with their huge supercapital blob. majority of systems are completely empty ghost towns and best systems will be filled with bots who warp to pos/cloak/logoff when hostiles come to system. welcome to new eve online. maybe ccp should consider doing something very soon before they lose more players..
Brooks Puuntai Minmatar Nomadic Asylum	Posted - 2011.08.18 11:37:00 - [22] Learn to embrace your new Russian overlords.
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor The Seventh Day	Posted - 2011.08.18 11:54:00 - [23] Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 18/08/2011 11:55:35 Originally by: Sneakybustard russians have taken most of 0.0 just because they can with their huge supercapital blob. majority of systems are completely empty ghost towns and best systems will be filled with bots who warp to pos/cloak/logoff when hostiles come to system. welcome to new eve online. maybe ccp should consider doing something very soon before they lose more players.. I don't think so... Because... My fleet was moving through 2-3 empty systems with an interceptor scouting ahead 2-3 jumps ahead. And it was like empty, empty, empty, 3 in space nothing on D-scan... empty. If the bots were doing what you are say that they are doing we would see them logging off as we entered. And people don't bot in empire to nullsec systems either.
Just Lilly	Posted - 2011.08.18 12:12:00 - [24] Playing on Sisi server, enjoying the silence Same stuff there as they have on tranq, but without the scams, griefers, emo ragers, pew pew. Just pure PvE, which can be fun for a change. Nice and quiet, no motormouths. 100 isk for a carrier etc
Newsflash Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.08.18 12:25:00 - [25] playing something else till ccp nerfs supers and rusrmtbotmachine
Tom Gerard Caldari Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic	Posted - 2011.08.18 13:51:00 - [26] The fact is that the reason my no reason no zack is because they were going home also northern collision leaving I love you joined red versus blue and I basically because it would run first bloomington all sack is this was fun lol northern coalition ellis they becoming excellent pvp but I suspect for the new year no sex with lily hammer looking for the more of a a fight.
Soma Khan Caldari	Posted - 2011.08.18 13:58:00 - [27] much butthurt itt __
daddys helper	Posted - 2011.08.18 14:11:00 - [28] Edited by: daddys helper on 18/08/2011 14:11:13 all the action you could ever want can be found between VV-VCR and IOAB in syndicate 23 hrs a day, 7 days a week and in general any day of the week in syn you have Rote Crap/el Raisin Bread The Failsaken Moon Worriers some French station humpers with supers called Barcode good times indeed. actually on second thought... stay in whatever hellhole you're in now and forget I mentioned syn
Neamus	Posted - 2011.08.18 14:27:00 - [29] Log in, set skill que, log off. Yep I think that just about covers it atm. Oh, and this... Originally by: Sneakybustard russians have taken most of 0.0 just because they can with their huge supercapital blob. majority of systems are completely empty ghost towns and best systems will be filled with bots who warp to pos/cloak/logoff when hostiles come to system. welcome to new eve online. maybe ccp should consider doing something very soon before they lose more players.. Guild Wars 2 is looking pretty hot tbh, so if EvE isn't sorted out by time GW2 arrives then I'll probably quit for good.
Othran Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.08.18 14:30:00 - [30] Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Emptiness like I have never seen before everywhere... Obviously you're a nerdy geek who doesn't get invited to station parties - oh wait What an utterly ****e expansion. No other way of putting it. Epic fail in all ways - even for the people who want WiS. Should be simple enough even for you mmmm?
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.18 14:34:00 - [31] Its simply unholy rage II. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Othran Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.08.18 14:40:00 - [32] Edited by: Othran on 18/08/2011 14:40:33 Originally by: Cipher Jones Its simply unholy rage II. Ermm no. Nullsec botting is back the way it was before all the Sreegs bull**** about doing things back in Spring. In fact its a hell of a lot worse. Courier bots - go look at Ingunn and tell me "Report a bot" is anything other than /dev/null The only thing that appears to have been hit in any measurable way (that can be seen by the playerbase) is mining bots. For everything else its game on.
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.18 15:46:00 - [33] Originally by: Othran Edited by: Othran on 18/08/2011 14:40:33 Originally by: Cipher Jones Its simply unholy rage II. Ermm no. Nullsec botting is back the way it was before all the Sreegs bull**** about doing things back in Spring. In fact its a hell of a lot worse. Courier bots - go look at Ingunn and tell me "Report a bot" is anything other than /dev/null The only thing that appears to have been hit in any measurable way (that can be seen by the playerbase) is mining bots. For everything else its game on. I was being sarcastic. Sorry for not closing the tag yo. Its aghost town out there. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
Zakua Corbin	Posted - 2011.08.18 16:31:00 - [34] Originally by: Tom Gerard The fact is that the reason my no reason no zack is because they were going home also northern collision leaving I love you joined red versus blue and I basically because it would run first bloomington all sack is this was fun lol northern coalition ellis they becoming excellent pvp but I suspect for the new year no sex with lily hammer looking for the more of a a fight. Tom's onto something here
Spurty Caldari V0LTA VOLTA Corp	Posted - 2011.08.18 16:59:00 - [35] Latest update killed weak gaming rigs. From spinning ships to burning GPUs in stations. Don't expect any rapid return from those people. As for where the action is? Really, you don't know where to look? Most violent systems (3 hours) Ships / Pods 0.0 System PR-8CA (Delve)58 / 28 M-OEE8 (Tribute)34 / 25 3-OKDA (Catch)29 / 27 GE-8JV (Catch)24 / 24 FD-MLJ (Syndicate) When there are zero cap kills in a day ending in a y I shall worry (a little) about activity. Happy Birthday!
XJennieX Minmatar Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.08.18 17:52:00 - [36] seems like rest of 0.0 (most now ex 0.0) dwellers have fallen into apathy in front of unstoppable machine that is DRF who have taken soon close to 80% conquerable 0.0 space for themselves, their NCdot/raiden/whoever else pets and new renters. nothing is happening but a quick grind through last stations and systems that are still non DRF. with supercapital amounts that are used it is mere minutes to reinforce even outposts.. is this what ccp wanted to 0.0 be like? i dont think so.
Jaxx Mitchell	Posted - 2011.08.18 20:35:00 - [37] indeed
bitters much Nekkid Inc.	Posted - 2011.08.18 21:21:00 - [38] Originally by: XJennieX fixed your post
Riedle Minmatar Paradox Collective	Posted - 2011.08.18 23:09:00 - [39] relax. here I am
Sneakybustard	Posted - 2011.08.19 08:18:00 - [40] Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 18/08/2011 12:02:39 Originally by: Sneakybustard russians have taken most of 0.0 just because they can with their huge supercapital blob. majority of systems are completely empty ghost towns and best systems will be filled with bots who warp to pos/cloak/logoff when hostiles come to system. welcome to new eve online. maybe ccp should consider doing something very soon before they lose more players.. I don't think so... Because... My fleet was moving through 2-3 empty systems with an interceptor scouting ahead 2-3 jumps. And it was like empty, empty, empty, 3 in space nothing on D-scan... empty. If the bots were doing what you are say that they are doing we would see them logging off as we entered. And people don't bot in empire to nullsec systems either. well im sure you didnt go through every place in 0.0. like i said most of the conquered systems are completely empty as i have seen and only certain systems are filled with characters. you can see these hotspots from dotlan maps looking for most npc kills. there is some systems with ungodly amount of npc kills every day month and year.. go visit those systems and leave couple cloakers into system and see how fast npc kill amount drops in next 24 hours..
Miss Rabblt	Posted - 2011.08.19 08:28:00 - [41] esterday's report. Goonswarm territory was almost empty. However today i got some info where are they all: they moved to Legion of DEATH territory Surely they feel much better with legion than in theirs empty deserts.... Wildly Inappropriate: 5 or 7 systems i found 1 system with people inside. Fidelas <something> - in 1 system i have had nice meeting with people. One guy wasted like 1 hour or so waiting for me on the other side of a gates. Bad for him i was too busy having my dinner and repairing my keyboard. I'm really sorry but you could just ask what ship i am in. Gentleman's aggreement: 5 or more systems empty. According to to sovereignty level they just took this place. Have seen few people. Not one from them was from this alliance. Today i returned to Goonswarm region Thought i passed them already. And now: Syndicate. One guy said me that all party goes around 19:00 by server time. Well. Will see what i find next time....
Empy Ralt	Posted - 2011.08.19 08:50:00 - [42] Goons are bored. As for the other area's why would you expect to find anyone in it? With the security rating of those systems it's probably more lucrative to be running L4's on your empire alt.
Miss Rabblt	Posted - 2011.08.19 08:55:00 - [43] Originally by: Empy Ralt Goons are bored. me too. that's why i'm travelling around.... Originally by: Empy Ralt As for the other area's why would you expect to find anyone in it? With the security rating of those systems it's probably more lucrative to be running L4's on your empire alt. I don't know. Maybe because someone installed territory claim units out there? and set up POSes? Unless this is all only for moon mining.....
Sneakybustard	Posted - 2011.08.20 10:52:00 - [44] back to the frontpage for people to see
Brooks Puuntai Minmatar Nomadic Asylum	Posted - 2011.08.20 11:12:00 - [45] Originally by: Miss Rabblt I don't know. Maybe because someone installed territory claim units out there? and set up POSes? Unless this is all only for moon mining..... Most of null is useless. The only reason people claim them is for a buffer zone and to help secure moon mining POSs. Plus its better to claim Sov near your "home" area then it is to leave it unsov where a enemy could easily take it and use for logistical reasons. But its all a mute point since null is for the most part ****, hence why most don't even log on unless theres a broadcast or a timer for a fleet.
Ethan Bejorn Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.08.20 11:15:00 - [46] Playing other games. Eve is not real. Eve is dead.
kerjin Minmatar Brutor Tribe	Posted - 2011.08.20 11:42:00 - [47] Originally by: Othran Edited by: Othran on 18/08/2011 14:40:33 Originally by: Cipher Jones Its simply unholy rage II. Ermm no. Nullsec botting is back the way it was before all the Sreegs bull**** about doing things back in Spring. In fact its a hell of a lot worse. Courier bots - go look at Ingunn and tell me "Report a bot" is anything other than /dev/null The only thing that appears to have been hit in any measurable way (that can be seen by the playerbase) is mining bots. For everything else its game on. Ingunn is empty, no haulers, no players shooting haulers and no players shooting players shooting haulers.
Haulin Aussie	Posted - 2011.08.20 12:50:00 - [48] Originally by: daddys helper Edited by: daddys helper on 18/08/2011 14:11:13 all the action you could ever want can be found between VV-VCR and IOAB in syndicate 23 hrs a day, 7 days a week and in general any day of the week in syn you have Rote Crap/el Raisin Bread The Failsaken Moon Worriers some French station humpers with supers called Barcode good times indeed. actually on second thought... stay in whatever hellhole you're in now and forget I mentioned syn Lol@syndicate dwellers.
Rhaegor Stormborn BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.	Posted - 2011.08.20 13:57:00 - [49] Originally by: Ethan Bejorn Playing other games. Eve is not real. Eve is dead. Eve is really dead.
Wumpscut 4lyfe	Posted - 2011.08.20 14:35:00 - [50] THE most undeniable signal that EVE is over: They were able to "show the allegorical door" to simple players who just like basic functionality. Just ... basic ... functionality. They were not able to absolutely murder the function of bots in the same fashion. And as a result, this gaming corporation lost the people who actually hand over RL currency to them.
MeBiatch	Posted - 2011.08.20 16:25:00 - [51] Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 18/08/2011 02:01:53 I was away for about 3 weeks doing some continuing education classes, I lead my first roam tonight into some of (what should have been) the busiest systems in EVE. Emptiness like I have never seen before everywhere... you tried curse or syndicate? both are pretty full this time of year... I guess some of these people threatening to rage quit actually did then? LOL
Merivel Mar	Posted - 2011.08.20 17:06:00 - [52] Originally by: Ethan Bejorn Playing other games. Eve is not real. Eve is dead. Playing Rift, join us!
Ira Theos	Posted - 2011.08.20 17:18:00 - [53] I really wouldn't know... Although I have 6 months left on my sub, I don't play much anymore... no reason to really.. I log on to set skills (I guess in the hope that the game will improve before true death sets in) but I don't intend to renew my sub as things are now. I don't recommend EVE to my friends anymore as it isn't worth their time or money in my opinion. I still believe CCP wants to know why I feel this way because I still believe they DO care about improving their game. They are just sadly offtrack. I was going to explain it all (here)... but you know what? You don't want a wall of text and I don't have the time or energy to waste on a failed game anymore... too many other games to play. K' Bye Thnx
Wumpscut 4lyfe	Posted - 2011.08.20 17:52:00 - [54] ^ i did even better. unsubbed both accounts after biomassing 2 30M+ characters who had no negative history, either corps or transaction.
Bane Necran Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.20 17:56:00 - [55] Not seeing any difference myself. Still 40k+ on every day, and everywhere i go is busy as usual. If it wasn't for the forums i wouldn't know EVE was dying, again
T'Laar Bok	Posted - 2011.08.20 18:38:00 - [56] Originally by: Bane Necran Not seeing any difference myself. Still 40k+ on every day, The daily average is without a doubt on a downward trend. ATM somewhere around 2009 levels. Originally by: Bane Necran and everywhere i go is busy as usual. Not in my corner. I'd like to think a few dozen corps have just left for a different region but somehow I don't think so.
Bane Necran Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.20 18:45:00 - [57] The JB and anomaly changes might have scared off some of 0.0. I haven't been there much since so i can't say, but in hisec it's business as usual.
Narisa Bithon Caldari The Motley Crew Reborn	Posted - 2011.08.20 20:57:00 - [58] Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 18/08/2011 12:02:39 Originally by: Sneakybustard russians have taken most of 0.0 just because they can with their huge supercapital blob. majority of systems are completely empty ghost towns and best systems will be filled with bots who warp to pos/cloak/logoff when hostiles come to system. welcome to new eve online. maybe ccp should consider doing something very soon before they lose more players.. I don't think so... Because... My fleet was moving through 2-3 empty systems with an interceptor scouting ahead 2-3 jumps. And it was like empty, empty, empty, 3 in space nothing on D-scan... empty. If the bots were doing what you are say that they are doing we would see them logging off as we entered. And people don't bot in empire to nullsec systems either. the bot programs are set to logski as soon as they detect a nuet enter local...even before u load grid
Iceni	Posted - 2011.08.21 11:51:00 - [59] Yeah hi-sec systems are quiet too... market prices falling due to fewer people buying stuff... the global recession comes to EVE.
Because Of Door	Posted - 2011.08.21 12:37:00 - [60] It's called milking the cow. The new CCCP investors wanted to make a quick buck. Doesn't look like they are going to make much of one, so they are going to move on to the next thing soon after ruining this once great game. That's free market economics for you.
Ethan Bejorn Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.08.21 13:52:00 - [61] Originally by: Because Of Door It's called milking the cow. The new CCCP investors wanted to make a quick buck. Doesn't look like they are going to make much of one, so they are going to move on to the next thing soon after ruining this once great game. That's free market economics for you. So true. What a terrible turn of events. Three years ago Eve held so much promise for the future.
Krixtal Icefluxor Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.08.21 15:41:00 - [62] Originally by: Bane Necran Not seeing any difference myself. Still 40k+ on every day, and everywhere i go is busy as usual. If it wasn't for the forums i wouldn't know EVE was dying, again Excuse me, but even 2 months ago it was 50,000 + online by 17:00 on Sundays. NOW it's MAYBE 41,000. Check actual facts before posting nonsense. Have a Nice Day. ************************ "God is nothing but the power of the Universe, as a whole, to organize itself." - Lee Smolin Three Roads to Quantum Gravity**
Jon Taggart State War Academy	Posted - 2011.08.21 15:52:00 - [63] So we're experiencing a slightly larger dip than usual. This is what the panic is all about? I'm not an alt
Cearain Caldari The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION	Posted - 2011.08.21 15:53:00 - [64] I think more people will log on when we get caldari captain's quarters. -Cearain Make fw pvp not pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906&page=1
Abrazzar	Posted - 2011.08.21 15:59:00 - [65] Originally by: Cearain I think more people will log on when we get caldari captain's quarters. Yep, for the 5 minutes it takes to look through them. Then it gets turned off again. --------
Bane Necran Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.21 16:10:00 - [66] Edited by: Bane Necran on 21/08/2011 16:11:41 Originally by: Krixtal Icefluxor Excuse me, but even 2 months ago it was 50,000 + online by 17:00 on Sundays. NOW it's MAYBE 41,000. Check actual facts before posting nonsense. Have a Nice Day. You want facts? Check out the last 3 months here. I think you're confusing things you heard some guy say with facts.
Barbelo Valentinian Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2011.08.21 17:26:00 - [67] Edited by: Barbelo Valentinian on 21/08/2011 17:27:51 Originally by: Because Of Door It's called milking the cow. The new CCCP investors wanted to make a quick buck. Doesn't look like they are going to make much of one, so they are going to move on to the next thing soon after ruining this once great game. That's free market economics for you. Well, it's also because of free market economics that we have EVE in the first place. What the free market giveth, the free market (plus some stupid developer decisions) can taketh away. ***** "To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding
Galalissa Noban	Posted - 2011.08.21 18:23:00 - [68] Edited by: Galalissa Noban on 21/08/2011 18:26:08 Originally by: Krixtal Icefluxor NOW it's MAYBE 41,000. Check actual facts before posting nonsense. Have a Nice Day. Hmm , i guess those 5,459 above your " MAYBE 41k " currently online are just ghosts then ? ..... Current online is 46,459 ( prob higher by now as more are logging in ) that really isn't a " significant " drop in players at all for this time of year . On the 19th , Population concurrently online reached 49,845 ................................ So , to quote yourself back at you :- Originally by: Krixtal Icefluxor Check actual facts before posting nonsense. Have a Nice Day.
Raydall	Posted - 2011.08.21 19:14:00 - [69] Originally by: Bane Necran You want facts? Check out the last 3 months here. I think you're confusing things you heard some guy say with facts. I have checked out your facts and it shows that people logging on has decreased steadily over the past three months.This is exactly what the other guy was saying.
Ethan Bejorn Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2011.08.21 20:07:00 - [70] Originally by: Galalissa Noban Edited by: Galalissa Noban on 21/08/2011 18:26:08 Originally by: Krixtal Icefluxor NOW it's MAYBE 41,000. Check actual facts before posting nonsense. Have a Nice Day. Hmm , i guess those 5,459 above your " MAYBE 41k " currently online are just ghosts then ? ..... Current online is 46,459 ( prob higher by now as more are logging in ) that really isn't a " significant " drop in players at all for this time of year . On the 19th , Population concurrently online reached 49,845 ................................ So , to quote yourself back at you :- Originally by: Krixtal Icefluxor Check actual facts before posting nonsense. Have a Nice Day. Peak users on a Sunday is not the same as average users through the day, especially weekdays.
Bane Necran Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.21 20:19:00 - [71] Originally by: Raydall I have checked out your facts and it shows that people logging on has decreased steadily over the past three months.This is exactly what the other guy was saying. But if you look at the big picture you'll see no dramatic difference between now and this time last year. At most it's a couple thousand difference in either direction, which happens constantly all the time for no clear reason, and is no evidence of the kind of apocalypse people are claiming. Some of you guys would make terrible stock traders. Every short term dip would have you screaming doom and rushing to sell.
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.21 20:53:00 - [72] Originally by: Bane Necran But if you look at the big picture you'll see no dramatic difference between now and this time last year. àexcept for the averages being several thousands lower today than last year, as a direct effect of what should have been the patch that not just brought people back, but brought new players in. In other words, the game is not growing the way it has before. Quote: Every stock has dozens of short term dips over the course of a year, and you'd all be screaming doom and rushing to sell with each one. àwhich is why you compare the same period, year to year, and notice that it's not going so well lately. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Tokyo Rose	Posted - 2011.08.21 21:13:00 - [73] Originally by: Empy Ralt Goons are bored. As for the other area's why would you expect to find anyone in it? With the security rating of those systems it's probably more lucrative to be running L4's on your empire alt. Goons are all mostly active in wot nowadays. Same type of political conquest and territory shennanigans but no supercap spam and hours of dead time as you organise to do the most simple of operations.
Bane Necran Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.21 21:34:00 - [74] Originally by: Tippia àwhich is why you compare the same period, year to year, and notice that it's not going so well lately. That chart seems a little dubious to me, but assuming it's accurate, it's not going so bad, either. That's all i'm saying. Using popular 'logic', EVE already died with Apocrypha, because of a temporary dip. That was many magnitudes larger, and since we all know temporary dips mean permanent DOOM, that one for sure should have finished EVE, not this tiny change. Actually, i'm pretty sure if you asked that dip at Apocrypha what he feels about everyone ignoring him and saying this tiny dip is more important, he'd tell you how sad it makes him feel. I think i know how we can have all this make sense, and gratify the Apocrypha dip at the same time. We all admit that EVE did in fact die in 2009, but it happened in an alternate dimension and didn't matter, like a Marvel comic thing, and served as forewarning about the more recent dip.
Tippia Caldari Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.08.21 21:42:00 - [75] Originally by: Bane Necran That chart seems a little dubious to me, but assuming it's accurate, it's not going so bad, either. That's all i'm saying. If you don't want to trust CCP's numbers, then that's probably an indication of an even larger problemà And considering the length and unprecedented scale of this loss, it's pretty bad compared to previous performance. Quote: Using popular 'logic', EVE already died with Apocrypha, because of a temporary dip. àexcept that the Apocrypha dip was due to eve-offline not recording the numbers properly (can't recall if it was the API that was screwed up, or if it was Chribba's servers). ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡ you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Forum Worrier	Posted - 2011.08.21 21:44:00 - [76] Statistics still being used to support multiple arguments. Statistically children with bigger feet spell better.
Bane Necran Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.21 22:16:00 - [77] Edited by: Bane Necran on 21/08/2011 22:18:27 Originally by: Tippia If you don't want to trust CCP's numbers, then that's probably an indication of an even larger problem That image didn't make any claims about where it got its information, or provide any way to fact check it at all. You giving it your complete trust without any backing might be an indication of an even larger problem.
baltec1	Posted - 2011.08.21 22:19:00 - [78] Originally by: Forum Worrier Statistics still being used to support multiple arguments. Statistically children with bigger feet spell better. If only that was true
Brooks Puuntai Minmatar Nomadic Asylum	Posted - 2011.08.21 22:23:00 - [79] Originally by: Bane Necran Edited by: Bane Necran on 21/08/2011 22:18:27 Originally by: Tippia If you don't want to trust CCP's numbers, then that's probably an indication of an even larger problem That image didn't make any claims about where it got its information, or provide any way to fact check it at all. You giving it your complete trust without any backing might be an indication of an even larger problem. His numbers are pulled from Chribbas site, which are pulled from the Eve Api. Also the slow decline doesn't seem that bad now, but mainly because people are unsubbing a lot of alt accounts. Most seem to be waiting it out to see what Winter has in store. If the Winter expansion bombs as bad as Incarna expect to see those numbers drop at a faster rate.
Valentina Valentia Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2011.08.21 22:25:00 - [80] ... in a cluster far far away (in the UK), is a single star and around it a planet with a station and in that station is a room... with a sofa... "YAWN..." slowly a figure turns and rolls over then settles back into a slumber. In the vastness of space... no one can here you nap. ______________ Effete Noir - a wonderful virtual cologne for the discerning Pod-Pilot - 4500 Aur - BUY.
Goatse Girl	Posted - 2011.08.21 22:51:00 - [81] Eve is very boring 0.0 wise due to it being 95% russian bots, hence why I dont play much anymore, and yes I have unsubbed,
Bane Necran Minmatar	Posted - 2011.08.21 23:00:00 - [82] Originally by: Brooks Puuntai Also the slow decline doesn't seem that bad now, but mainly because people are unsubbing a lot of alt accounts. Most seem to be waiting it out to see what Winter has in store. If the Winter expansion bombs as bad as Incarna expect to see those numbers drop at a faster rate. And you can count me among those people. I have my own doubts about the future of EVE, but i'm holding off on reacting until things truly are bad. Right now all we have is speculation and hyperbole on the forums, while things are really quite normal in game.
Rumplefink	Posted - 2011.08.22 06:48:00 - [83] Dude I am right here.
Hoya en Marland	Posted - 2011.08.22 07:33:00 - [84] I say wait 6 months more and you'll see what's empty. Most of the vets and old school crowd left the game, while new kind of players --those which CCP wants to attract with Nex store stuff and Incarna-- are not coming because there are other games out there much more suitable for their taste. All in all, I believe that we've crossed the point of no return and things will be only getting worse in future.
Elias Vermithrax	Posted - 2011.08.22 09:10:00 - [85]
JibbaJabbas Minmatar Evil Monkey Asylum Twisted Aggression	Posted - 2011.08.22 09:18:00 - [86] Originally by: Eternum Praetorian Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 18/08/2011 02:01:53 I was away for about 3 weeks doing some continuing education classes, I lead my first roam tonight into some of (what should have been) the busiest systems in EVE. Emptiness like I have never seen before everywhere... I guess some of these people threatening to rage quit actually did then? LOL Hey Moron. You do realise that there is abig war going on right? And the busiest space in EvE you mentioned would be u morons running round in querious, running the second it looks like your gonna loose? Its called people are deployed to other regions to fight the DRF Again, you - Moron
Hoya en Marland	Posted - 2011.08.22 09:35:00 - [87] Originally by: JibbaJabbas Hey Moron. You do realise that there is abig war going on right? Hey dumbass. You do realize that this pathetic little thing you call war is only pale shadow of real large scale conflicts happening all around New Eden just a few years ago. Oh wait, you probably haven't been there so you couldn't possibly know better. Still, you are a dumbass.
Max Keitt Keitt Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2011.08.22 09:39:00 - [88] Has Eve jumped the shark? ~+=+~ TQ Power Supplies Learning to PVP
JibbaJabbas Minmatar Evil Monkey Asylum Twisted Aggression	Posted - 2011.08.22 09:51:00 - [89] Originally by: Hoya en Marland Originally by: JibbaJabbas Hey Moron. You do realise that there is abig war going on right? Hey dumbass. You do realize that this pathetic little thing you call war is only pale shadow of real large scale conflicts happening all around New Eden just a few years ago. Oh wait, you probably haven't been there so you couldn't possibly know better. Still, you are a dumbass. You piece of **, i was the 24th person on the server to EVER fly a bs, ive been here since the original CA/FIX/BOB/FA u moron. YOu like most forum trolls know jack*. And ask for large scale conflicts happening around new eden* wth are u on about? U means goons pottering about with test? Or the normal roam gangs? Or the fact the DRF JUST HIRED PL TO HIT QUERIOUS with DRF support? STFU, U HAVENO IDEA what ur talking about, so dont sit there spouting your mouth trying to be a know it all when you dont know jack ****
Hoya en Marland	Posted - 2011.08.22 10:09:00 - [90] Originally by: JibbaJabbas You piece of ****, i was the 24th person on the server to EVER fly a bs, ive been here since the original CA/FIX/BOB/FA u moron. Don't lie, you look even more pathetic now.
Cashcow Golden Goose	Posted - 2011.08.22 10:59:00 - [91] Why would they make alt dev accounts and even log them in? They can just report actual count * 1.5 after all, it's their code. I launch from Amarr, the number of Amarr based spackers & smackers is half what it used to be. I launch from Dodixie, the number of Dodixie Dock Huggers is half what it used to be. I launch from Jita, don't even get targetted any more. Tranquility player count be dammed, there just isn't as much bottom feeding as their used to be. But it might just be for the summer. When winter comes, maybe they come back.
Ramalamadindong	Posted - 2011.08.22 11:14:00 - [92] Edited by: Ramalamadindong on 22/08/2011 11:15:41 Originally by: JibbaJabbas Originally by: Hoya en Marland Originally by: JibbaJabbas Hey Moron. You do realise that there is abig war going on right? Hey dumbass. You do realize that this pathetic little thing you call war is only pale shadow of real large scale conflicts happening all around New Eden just a few years ago. Oh wait, you probably haven't been there so you couldn't possibly know better. Still, you are a dumbass. You piece of **, i was the 24th person on the server to EVER fly a bs, ive been here since the original CA/FIX/BOB/FA u moron. YOu like most forum trolls know jack*. And ask for large scale conflicts happening around new eden* wth are u on about? U means goons pottering about with test? Or the normal roam gangs? Or the fact the DRF JUST HIRED PL TO HIT QUERIOUS with DRF support? STFU, U HAVENO IDEA what ur talking about, so dont sit there spouting your mouth trying to be a know it all when you dont know jack **** You are terrible ...and NO people are not re deployed, they left because of Incarna.

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