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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:09:00 -
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Aineko Macx wrote:Ship banning will cause lots of tears
We are hoping for lots of variety CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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Hiram Alexander
Seraphim Securities
251
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:14:00 -
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This being EVE 'n' all... Are there any metagame rules we should be aware of?, for example, should some Team Captain register their team, but trick their bunch of pilots into giving him/her 50 Plex for an auction bid that's never going to be paid, is that going to be a problem, or A-okay...? |
Eiluvial
Shitty Gimmick Test Alliance Please Ignore
14
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:14:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote: I think you are looking at a hyper worst case scenario. While it is possible for a super rich alliance to attempt to buy every slot, it would not be cost effective for them to do so.
We are breaking new ground here with EVE tournaments and we will be analyzing every aspect of how teams are formed and how they participate in the event.
Yeah I doubt one team would buy out all spots (it's possible though), thats really hyper worst case.
What concerns me more is multiple alliances buying out all the spots, making it a "elite" Alliance Tournament, in which only a few alliances can participate.
Like PL throw in 5 teams, Goons do 3, Hydra a couple, etc. so maybe 10 alliances participate at most with the finals being similar to ATIX, a A-Team vs. B-Team final. That scenario is possible and maybe likely. I'm sure most alliances who invested in ATX will enter multiple teams in this Tournament. |
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
2049
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:15:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:CCP Navigator wrote:
I think you are looking at a hyper worst case scenario. While it is possible for a super rich alliance to attempt to buy every slot, it would not be cost effective for them to do so.
We are breaking new ground here with EVE tournaments and we will be analyzing every aspect of how teams are formed and how they participate in the event.
Why isn't it cost effective? Even at 50% conversion rate from ISK to US$ that's better than 0 conversion rate. I would take a trillion ISK and buy all the teams to make $10,000. Because if I can make a trillion, I can make a trillion more.
Sure, but we're going to be even harsher on colluding and foul play this year, so any sign that you're even remotely doing that and you're getting disqualified (and we'll keep the plexes of course) |
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Takeshi Yamato
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
473
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:16:00 -
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This should be fun, can't wait for it. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
887
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:18:00 -
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Let's look at the idea from the individual to have the PLEX cost split amongst everyone on a team.
SO, you come in with 16 guys (8 mains and 8 backups) who each put down 2 plex each to get 32 plex on the table for the bidding.
That's gonna be around $35 each or 1.2B PLEX at current prices (i'm sure people are buying PLEX already, I am).
To have a chance at splitting $10,000 over 16 people, minus the bidding, which is $544 = 9456 a prize of $591 each. Which, is almost as much as the whole team together put into the pot each. So, a 1 in 32 chance (random draw) to get 15 times your money back.
Go play a lotto, better chance of winning better prizes.
We're not even considering gaming the system to have 10 PL teams in. At which point everyone is gonna get screwed. Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
75
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:18:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:Aineko Macx wrote:Ship banning will cause lots of tears We are hoping for lots of variety
a team consisting of only navy ospreys, navy exqurors, navy augorors, and fleet scythes
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Azrin Stella Oerndotte
The Nommo
2
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:20:00 -
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Quote:Once you have a player character on a team, attempting to place another character on a second team will result in disqualification for both of those teams. For example, if you join team A with one of your accounts and then attempt to join Team B with a second account, both teams will be disqualified.
Can't this be abused to tears or am I missing something? |
Djakku
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
122
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:23:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Warde Guildencrantz wrote:why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction This tournament has nothing to do with alliances whatsoever. What we do have is a cost of entry in order to ensure that those who are stating they wish to compete have enough skin in the game to take it seriously. Over the long term we would definitely like to have alternative methods of doing so but we simply don't have any other option at this time.
Are Hydra banned from this aswell? |
Eiluvial
Shitty Gimmick Test Alliance Please Ignore
14
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:24:00 -
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Azrin Stella Oerndotte wrote:Quote:Once you have a player character on a team, attempting to place another character on a second team will result in disqualification for both of those teams. For example, if you join team A with one of your accounts and then attempt to join Team B with a second account, both teams will be disqualified. Can't this be abused to tears or am I missing something?
You mean like my spies entering in Alliance B's multiple teams (without said Alliance knowing that they're alts) will get all of that Alliances teams banned?
Yeap :3: should make for hilarious metagaming. |
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
888
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:25:00 -
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Eiluvial wrote:Azrin Stella Oerndotte wrote:Quote:Once you have a player character on a team, attempting to place another character on a second team will result in disqualification for both of those teams. For example, if you join team A with one of your accounts and then attempt to join Team B with a second account, both teams will be disqualified. Can't this be abused to tears or am I missing something? You mean like my spies entering in Alliance B's multiple teams (without said Alliance knowing that they're alts) will get all of that Alliances teams banned? Yeap :3: should make for hilarious metagaming.
Nice thinking.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
888
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:26:00 -
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Djakku wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Warde Guildencrantz wrote:why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction This tournament has nothing to do with alliances whatsoever. What we do have is a cost of entry in order to ensure that those who are stating they wish to compete have enough skin in the game to take it seriously. Over the long term we would definitely like to have alternative methods of doing so but we simply don't have any other option at this time. Are Hydra banned from this aswell?
Yes Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
1508
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:26:00 -
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Azrin Stella Oerndotte wrote:Quote:Once you have a player character on a team, attempting to place another character on a second team will result in disqualification for both of those teams. For example, if you join team A with one of your accounts and then attempt to join Team B with a second account, both teams will be disqualified. Can't this be abused to tears or am I missing something?
Potentially it could, however, the severity of penalties applied to player accounts who participate in this action should not be ignored.
Fake edit: They are severe.
CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
888
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:27:00 -
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Dierdra Vaal wrote:Will the broadcasts also include player commentators & studio like the AT?
Will player adverts be allowed like the AT?
Can we have this question answered please.
I'll stop being a punk about the whole situation, I'll just tell you that I know a lot of people are plugging a lot of numbers in right now.
Oh, and prediction is PL wins.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
888
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:28:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:Azrin Stella Oerndotte wrote:Quote:Once you have a player character on a team, attempting to place another character on a second team will result in disqualification for both of those teams. For example, if you join team A with one of your accounts and then attempt to join Team B with a second account, both teams will be disqualified. Can't this be abused to tears or am I missing something? Potentially it could, however, the severity of penalties applied to player accounts who participate in this action should not be ignored. Fake edit: They are severe.
Why should they be severe?
What is breaking the EULA on a tournament like this?
Or are we getting a new EULA specifically with this tournament written into the agreement?
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nGR RDNx
Beta Crucis Endeavour.
24
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:29:00 -
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As one of a handful of people who attended the eSport session at this yearGÇÖs EVE Fanfest, I am both excited and disappointed by this event.
Will be watching with interest of how it goes.
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Eiluvial
Shitty Gimmick Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:30:00 -
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Warde Guildencrantz wrote:why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction
10bil isk was like the budget for PLs ammo in ATIX, money is one of the last problems you should have when competing seriously for 1st place |
DoubleD231
Void Investments Invictus Void
0
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:30:00 -
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I love how this blog opens talking about how this tourny is meant to include the people in NPC corps and yet, with that price point, I'd be willing to wager a lot of money on every entrant being from a large nullsec alliance.
I appreciate that there is not much in the way of other options, but still, got me all excited for nothing :( |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce Ascendance.
382
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:30:00 -
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Its $6000 for the winning team so its worse then you have been saying lol |
TAHKEP
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:32:00 -
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Dierdra Vaal wrote:Warde Guildencrantz wrote:why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction Technically it's now just limited to people who have 20+ plex laying around - alliance or not.
Dont be so fail, youve got a huge heads up about it, and if your telling me a team of 10 people cant make 20bil to make a bid in the time you have, then you probably arent good enough for this contest. |
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Eiluvial
Shitty Gimmick Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:32:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:Azrin Stella Oerndotte wrote:Quote:Once you have a player character on a team, attempting to place another character on a second team will result in disqualification for both of those teams. For example, if you join team A with one of your accounts and then attempt to join Team B with a second account, both teams will be disqualified. Can't this be abused to tears or am I missing something? Potentially it could, however, the severity of penalties applied to player accounts who participate in this action should not be ignored. Fake edit: They are severe.
The spies will be burned anyway, and banning those accounts isn't really a problem.
Are you saying the main accounts will be affect as well? Punishment to the person and not the chars? Metagaming now an bannable offense? |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
677
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:33:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:Let's look at the idea from the individual to have the PLEX cost split amongst everyone on a team.
SO, you come in with 16 guys (8 mains and 8 backups) who each put down 2 plex each to get 32 plex on the table for the bidding.
That's gonna be around $35 each or 1.2B PLEX at current prices (i'm sure people are buying PLEX already, I am).
To have a chance at splitting $10,000 over 16 people, minus the estimated average bidding, which is $544 = 9456 a prize of $591 each. Which, is almost as much as the whole team together put into the pot each. So, a 1 in 32 chance (random draw) to get 15 times your money back.
Go play a lotto, better chance of winning better prizes.
We're not even considering gaming the system to have 10 PL teams in. At which point everyone is gonna get screwed.
the top prize isn't 10k. That's the entire prize pot.
top is 6k (iirc).
and as for adverts https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1979010#post1979010 FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
1508
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:33:00 -
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Hiram Alexander wrote:This being EVE 'n' all... Are there any metagame rules we should be aware of?, for example, should some Team Captain register their team, but trick their bunch of pilots into giving him/her 50 Plex for an auction bid that's never going to be paid, is that going to be a problem, or A-okay...?
We understand this can be a concern. Unless you are 100% sure that your team captain is a stand up guy/girl we would suggest you hold on to your individual PLEX and then pay them to 'CCP Alliance Tournament' individually if you are successful in the auction.
As long as the total number of PLEX is sent by the team then this will not be an issue.
One thing we would stress is that you all must be available to pay the PLEX if and when you win a slot otherwise your slot will be re-auctioned.
CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
888
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:33:00 -
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Salpun wrote:Its $6000 for the winning team so its worse then you have been saying lol
Why's it $6,000? Taxes I take it? Ya, well, that's another thing to account for.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
14
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:34:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:Dierdra Vaal wrote:Will the broadcasts also include player commentators & studio like the AT?
Will player adverts be allowed like the AT? Can we have this question answered please. I'll stop being a punk about the whole situation, I'll just tell you that I know a lot of people are plugging a lot of numbers in right now. Oh, and prediction is PL wins. Already answered this earlier.
Yes there will be a studio
Yes there will be commentators but they will be from CCP
No there will not be player adverts for this tournament as we are trying to minimize the time between matches and give you an action packed event. |
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Salpun
Paramount Commerce Ascendance.
382
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:38:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:Salpun wrote:Its $6000 for the winning team so its worse then you have been saying lol Right, top prize is $6,000. Got the big $10k in my head. Went back and fixed it, thank you. $10,000 is split 3 ways among the first 3 teams. That is before taxes.
Read the devblog . |
I'm Down
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
105
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:42:00 -
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Will the winter patch be in before this kicks off?
If so
Will T1 "logistics cruisers" count toward the 1 limit?
How will money be given out at the end of the tournament... can't be trusting people when cash is on the line. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
888
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:44:00 -
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Salpun wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:Salpun wrote:Its $6000 for the winning team so its worse then you have been saying lol Right, top prize is $6,000. Got the big $10k in my head. Went back and fixed it, thank you. $10,000 is split 3 ways among the first 3 teams. That is before taxes. Read the devblog .
I did. Just a slip.
It only works the argument in my favor.
All this amounts to is paying 30B ISK to "have fun" - the real money value is insignificant. And that means the only people that have expendable money to burn are the null sec alliances. And the only people that will get "Sponsored" by anyone with money are going to be teams with out ISK.
As someone pointed out, on the ATX Auction, they could barely even sell the last slot. So what makes you think you can do the same thing here?
Sorry, CCP has totally overestimated the amount of Free ISK moving around that would go towards a project like this. You are going to have a hard time filling 32 slots totaling a minimum of 480 Billion ISK, when there were BIGGER prizes, More ISK, more reputation and better rewards for ATX.
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
1508
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:45:00 -
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I'm Down wrote:Will the winter patch be in before this kicks off?
If so
Will T1 "logistics cruisers" count toward the 1 limit?
How will money be given out at the end of the tournament... can't be trusting people when cash is on the line.
No, the winter patch will not be released before this tournament.
CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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I'm Down
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
106
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:46:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:Salpun wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:Salpun wrote:Its $6000 for the winning team so its worse then you have been saying lol Right, top prize is $6,000. Got the big $10k in my head. Went back and fixed it, thank you. $10,000 is split 3 ways among the first 3 teams. That is before taxes. Read the devblog . As someone pointed out, on the ATX Auction, they could barely even sell the last slot. So what makes you think you can do the same thing here? Sorry, CCP has totally overestimated the amount of Free ISK moving around that would go towards a project like this. You are going to have a hard time filling 32 slots totaling a minimum of 480 Billion ISK, when there were BIGGER prizes, More ISK, more reputation and better rewards for ATX.
Not to mention multiple of those alliance prizes were RMT'd behind closed doors afterwards in a variety of ways for quite a bit of dough. Even at the worst rates currently given, the AT prizes usually net the winners around 14,000 dollars and the Devs turn a blind eye |
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