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CCP Guard
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.28 14:48:00 -
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If you're really good at EVE and if you like money, you'll want to read CCP Bro's new exciting dev blog!
For the first time ever you can (legally) earn modern day Earth currency for blowing up spaceships...so go read the blog and tell us what you think! CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer |-á@ccp_guard |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
1719
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Posted - 2012.09.28 14:49:00 -
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Booyah Game Designer | Team Game of Drones https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
716
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Posted - 2012.09.28 14:49:00 -
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So freaking excited about this! Content Designer | Team Five 0 @regnerBA |
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Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
2275
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Posted - 2012.09.28 14:49:00 -
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cool The Sarcasm is Strong with Me GÇó Member of CSM 5-7 GÇó Blog |
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CCP Veritas
C C P C C P Alliance
607
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Posted - 2012.09.28 14:50:00 -
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Moar space-pewpew on the teevees! \o/ CCP Veritas - Senior Programmer - EVE Software |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
8
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Posted - 2012.09.28 14:52:00 -
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Remember when you guys said "Why don't we have more tournaments in EVE?". We agreed and thought, what can we add?
The answer was:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETxmCCsMoD0 |
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
780
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Posted - 2012.09.28 14:52:00 -
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Nice |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2993
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Posted - 2012.09.28 14:53:00 -
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It's too bad I suck at PvP.... Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation Executive Outcomes
251
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Posted - 2012.09.28 14:54:00 -
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O_o - Nulla Curas |
Slutty Underwear
The Ministry of Ungentlemanly Warfare
4
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:03:00 -
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Alas, Why out of my price range to get in on this action.
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Grideris
Fleet Coordination Commission Fleet Coordination Coalition
276
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:04:00 -
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Well, stuff just got real. http://www.dust514.org - the unofficial forum for everything DUST 514 http://www.dust514base.com - the blog site with everything else DUST 514 you need
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Djakku
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
122
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:07:00 -
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Smells like fail. |
Dierdra Vaal
Perkone Caldari State
190
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:11:00 -
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Will the broadcasts also include player commentators & studio like the AT?
Will player adverts be allowed like the AT?
Veto #205 * * * Director Emeritus at EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
587
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:12:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:It's too bad I suck at PvP....
this is true i am in the same faction as him and he is worse then i am! Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:15:00 -
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Dierdra Vaal wrote:Will the broadcasts also include player commentators & studio like the AT?
Will player adverts be allowed like the AT?
Studio - Yes Commentators - To be announced |
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Dierdra Vaal
Perkone Caldari State
190
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:16:00 -
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CCP Bro wrote:Dierdra Vaal wrote:Will the broadcasts also include player commentators & studio like the AT?
Will player adverts be allowed like the AT? Studio - Yes Commentators - To be announced
and player adverts? :)
Veto #205 * * * Director Emeritus at EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman |
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
1505
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:17:00 -
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Dierdra Vaal wrote:Will the broadcasts also include player commentators & studio like the AT?
Will player adverts be allowed like the AT?
Ugh, Bro beat me to it :/ CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:18:00 -
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Dierdra Vaal wrote:CCP Bro wrote:Dierdra Vaal wrote:Will the broadcasts also include player commentators & studio like the AT?
Will player adverts be allowed like the AT? Studio - Yes Commentators - To be announced and player adverts? :)
There will not be player adverts for this event at least. We are working on giving you a more streamlined action packed broadcast. |
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Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
75
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:18:00 -
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why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction |
Dierdra Vaal
Perkone Caldari State
190
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:19:00 -
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Warde Guildencrantz wrote:why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction
Technically it's now just limited to people who have 20+ plex laying around - alliance or not.
Veto #205 * * * Director Emeritus at EVE University * * * CSM1 delegate, CSM3 chairman and CSM5 vice-chairman |
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CCP Legion
60
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:19:00 -
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p$w p$w! CCP Legion | Team Player Experience & Team Avatar |-á |
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
676
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:21:00 -
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Warde Guildencrantz wrote:why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction
Because there has to be /some/ way to cut down the number of groups who'd want to enter, to something manageable. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2091
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:22:00 -
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Warde Guildencrantz wrote:why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction
This tournament has nothing to do with alliances whatsoever. What we do have is a cost of entry in order to ensure that those who are stating they wish to compete have enough skin in the game to take it seriously. Over the long term we would definitely like to have alternative methods of doing so but we simply don't have any other option at this time. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
13
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:22:00 -
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Warde Guildencrantz wrote:why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction
Also, if you are a small gang PVP expert there is nothing stopping you from being sponsored by an alliance or a corporation. Also, you can search for a team that has the funds available and is recruiting. If you are a top level player just start a search for a team or a search for funds. |
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MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
587
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:23:00 -
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Warde Guildencrantz wrote:why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction
you cant get $400 together? between 32 people?
thats like $12.5 per person you cheep bastard! Ok, so you've corrected my spelling,do you care to make a valid point? -áThere are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... |
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
1506
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:29:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Warde Guildencrantz wrote:why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction Because there has to be /some/ way to cut down the number of groups who'd want to enter, to something manageable.
Steve is right to a large extent but I really want to spend some time talking about this as EVE tournaments and eSports are something that CCP Bro and I talk about at length.
In an ideal world we want to expand eSports to become a really big deal in EVE Online and allow players access to a host of tournaments of different sizes with a range of prizes. This is a long term goal and, if I am being completely honest, we have a lot of decision making and planning to do to make this a reality. We want to see tournaments involving everyone from small groups to huge alliances but this is will be much further down the road.
20 PLEX is not a bid every player can make and, as Steve pointed out, there needs to be a barrier of entry otherwise we would end up with a random drawing of hundreds of teams. We are aware that a tournament of this size will attract some of the best pilots from multiple corporations and alliances and we would expect that these teams will be sponsored by their respective corps and alliances.
This tournament is about celebrating individuals who can form a team, not necessarily from the same corps and alliances, and guide those teams to greatness.
CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
130
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:33:00 -
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CCP Bro wrote:Also, if you are a small gang PVP expert there is nothing stopping you from being sponsored by an alliance or a corporation. If you don't want to be backed by a corporation/alliance, you can search for a team that has the funds available and is recruiting. If you are a top level player just start a search for a team or a search for funds. So presumably team names could be sponsored by Eve related entities as a form of advertising?
Fear God and Thread Nought |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
3268
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:34:00 -
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daaaayyyyyuuuum this stuff is cool! I wish I could join some team Gÿà EVE User Interface Programmer Gÿà GÖÑ Team Super Friends GÖÑ @CCP_Punkturis My Dev Blogs |
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Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
75
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:34:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Warde Guildencrantz wrote:why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction This tournament has nothing to do with alliances whatsoever. What we do have is a cost of entry in order to ensure that those who are stating they wish to compete have enough skin in the game to take it seriously. Over the long term we would definitely like to have alternative methods of doing so but we simply don't have any other option at this time.
I understand the need to cut down the amount of people who want to be in the tournament, but I agree that an alternative would be nice, as many groups of PvPers don't really stock up on ISK or plexes, and spend most ISK on acquiring stuff to fly. Perhaps an alternative method of getting in such as "if your group doesn't have the ISK, we have 5-10 auction entries that will be given as a prize in contest X" (for example a contest to make a video promoting your group of PvPers)
or something community based. The amount of slots given as a prize would have to be fairly small though.
generally, I just feel a tournament should be "Oh, we are good PvPers, lets enter!", not "Oh, we are good PvPers, lets farm PvE for 2 months to save up the ISK to enter!" :P
it's just the feeling that a lot of PvPers have that they want to PvP whenever on Eve, not be forced to PvE for some reason other than the normal ones (paying for accounts, being able to afford the ship you are flying, etc.) |
l0rd carlos
Friends Of Harassment
48
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:34:00 -
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Do we get the plex back if you don't get in? Like we bid 24 plex, but all other bid 55 plex, do we still ne to pay it? |
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Shaera Taam
Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
42
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:34:00 -
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Warde Guildencrantz wrote:why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction
was just about to point out that it's a base-20-plex from the *whole team*
if you get everyone on the team to front two plex (@17USD, iirc), then you have a really good chance of being able to bid up to a spot on the tournament
not too shabby, imho, and no giant alliance tech-fueled-bank-rolls required
Thus Spake the Frigate Goddess! |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
780
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:34:00 -
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Hehe... i can aford myself 20 PLEXes or even more. |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
14
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:35:00 -
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Jackie Fisher wrote:CCP Bro wrote:Also, if you are a small gang PVP expert there is nothing stopping you from being sponsored by an alliance or a corporation. If you don't want to be backed by a corporation/alliance, you can search for a team that has the funds available and is recruiting. If you are a top level player just start a search for a team or a search for funds. So presumably team names could be sponsored by Eve related entities as a form of advertising?
For instance that could be a selling point for a team looking for funding to join this tournament. |
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Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
736
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:36:00 -
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I feel like OWN3D didn't quite grasp exactly how valuable the prizes for the Alliance Tournament are. Plus the prize pool here is basically equal to the minimum they are likely to receive in the auction, based on PLEX costing $15 each. Seems skimpy to me.
Oh well, I guess it's the first RL-cash tournament. Lobbying for your right to delete your signature |
Lord Haur
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
28
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:36:00 -
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Clarification request on the Player/character thing:
Quote:Each team will consist between eight and 24 players, with eight being the minimum required team size and 24 being the maximum team size allowed. The total number of players submitted is at the discretion of the team captain. It is important to note that payment of any prize to a winning team will be paid by own3D.tv directly to all players listed in a team.
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You may have as many of your characters in a single team as your captain allows. For example, if you own 5 EVE Online accounts with three characters on each there are no restrictions on how many of those characters can be in a single team. If you feel you can multibox your way to victory against some very dedicated teams then more power to you.
Is that minimum 8, maximum 24 characters, or RL people? Extremities either way could be one person 8-boxing, or 24 people with the option to use any of their characters.
I'm presuming it's referring to player characters. |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2093
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:37:00 -
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l0rd carlos wrote:Do we get the plex back if you don't get in? Like we bid 24 plex, but all other bid 55 plex, do we still ne to pay it?
Only the winner of the auction slot pays anything. Those plex would never leave your hands. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2093
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:38:00 -
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Lord Haur wrote:Clarification request on the Player/character thing: Quote:Each team will consist between eight and 24 players, with eight being the minimum required team size and 24 being the maximum team size allowed. The total number of players submitted is at the discretion of the team captain. It is important to note that payment of any prize to a winning team will be paid by own3D.tv directly to all players listed in a team.
[...]
You may have as many of your characters in a single team as your captain allows. For example, if you own 5 EVE Online accounts with three characters on each there are no restrictions on how many of those characters can be in a single team. If you feel you can multibox your way to victory against some very dedicated teams then more power to you. Is that minimum 8, maximum 24 characters, or RL people? Extremities either way could be one person 8-boxing, or 24 people with the option to use any of their characters. I'm presuming it's referring to player characters.
A person may have multiple characters on the same team. A person MAY NOT have ANY characters in more than one team. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
1506
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:39:00 -
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Lord Haur wrote:Clarification request on the Player/character thing: Quote:Each team will consist between eight and 24 players, with eight being the minimum required team size and 24 being the maximum team size allowed. The total number of players submitted is at the discretion of the team captain. It is important to note that payment of any prize to a winning team will be paid by own3D.tv directly to all players listed in a team.
[...]
You may have as many of your characters in a single team as your captain allows. For example, if you own 5 EVE Online accounts with three characters on each there are no restrictions on how many of those characters can be in a single team. If you feel you can multibox your way to victory against some very dedicated teams then more power to you. Is that minimum 8, maximum 24 characters, or RL people? Extremities either way could be one person 8-boxing, or 24 people with the option to use any of their characters. I'm presuming it's referring to player characters.
You presume correctly. You need to supply a minimum of 8 player characters in a team for it to be eligible. CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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Lord Haur
Grim Determination Nulli Secunda
28
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:40:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Lord Haur wrote:Clarification request on the Player/character thing: Quote:Each team will consist between eight and 24 players, with eight being the minimum required team size and 24 being the maximum team size allowed. The total number of players submitted is at the discretion of the team captain. It is important to note that payment of any prize to a winning team will be paid by own3D.tv directly to all players listed in a team.
[...]
You may have as many of your characters in a single team as your captain allows. For example, if you own 5 EVE Online accounts with three characters on each there are no restrictions on how many of those characters can be in a single team. If you feel you can multibox your way to victory against some very dedicated teams then more power to you. Is that minimum 8, maximum 24 characters, or RL people? Extremities either way could be one person 8-boxing, or 24 people with the option to use any of their characters. I'm presuming it's referring to player characters. A person may have multiple characters on the same team. A person MAY NOT have ANY characters in more than one team. That was not my question. I was asking whether the 8-24 "player" limit per team refers to RL people or ingame characters.
edit: thanks Navigator. |
Eiluvial
Shitty Gimmick Test Alliance Please Ignore
12
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:42:00 -
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Sorry but the entrance format is ****.
What stops an entity from registering 32 teams to RMT 10000$ legally?
Like if someone were to buy every spot at 30PLEX each. Thats 528b ISK total at 550m/PLEX for 10k $, at a rate of close to 19$ per billion ISK I'm sure some people will think about it, especially when it's legal.
If someone wants to bankroll the entire tournament they can do it. It's entirely possible that a single entity buys all spots.
Thats kind of bad, isnt it. |
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Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
75
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:44:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:
A person may have multiple characters on the same team. A person MAY NOT have ANY characters in more than one team.
I want to see someone 8-boxing versus someone else 8-boxing
1v1 XTREME edition |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
780
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:45:00 -
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Do you pland doing the bid the winner thing with prizes like during AT X ? |
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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
138
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:46:00 -
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This is really exciting news; can't wait for this to start! ISD Suvetar Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Harvey James
Prospero's Sight
22
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:48:00 -
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so will this tournie happen after the winter patch or before it would be a shame if the new cruisers didn't get in aswell as the HML/missile rebalance? |
Randomize All
State War Academy Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:48:00 -
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After that last one was destroyed by CCP Sreegs and his Goonswarm paymaster, OwnedTV clearly recognise a great opportunity when they see it. |
Trebor Daehdoow
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
2277
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:49:00 -
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Eiluvial wrote:Sorry but the entrance format is ****.
What stops an entity from registering 32 teams to RMT 10000$ legally?
Like if someone were to buy every spot at 30PLEX each. Thats 528b ISK total at 550m/PLEX for 10k $, at a rate of close to 19$ per billion ISK I'm sure some people will think about it, especially when it's legal.
If someone wants to bankroll the entire tournament they can do it. It's entirely possible that a single entity buys all spots.
Thats kind of bad, isnt it. I would like to encourage all the illegal RMT groups in EVE to attempt to launder their ISK in this manner. What a cunning plan! What could possibly go wrong?
The Sarcasm is Strong with Me GÇó Member of CSM 5-7 GÇó Blog |
Alara IonStorm
3193
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:50:00 -
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BC Tiers.
1. 11 Points 2. 13 Points 3. 12 Points
???
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Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
75
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:51:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:BC Tiers.
1. 11 Points 2. 13 Points 3. 12 Points
???
3 = easy to kill, but high damage, usually more useful than tier 1 BC, but not as well rounded as tier 2. (12) 2 = good at everything (13) 1 = some of them suck, some of them are decent, but they are generally worse than tier 2 counterpart (11)
is this reasonable explanation? |
Alara IonStorm
3193
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:53:00 -
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Warde Guildencrantz wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:BC Tiers.
1. 11 Points 2. 13 Points 3. 12 Points
???
3 = easy to kill, but high damage, usually more useful than tier 1 BC, but not as well rounded as tier 2. (12) 2 = good at everything (13) 1 = some of them suck, some of them are decent, but they are generally worse than tier 2 counterpart (11) is this reasonable explanation? Nope, fair bit of that is wrong.
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Sephira Galamore
Nemesis Holdings Corp Luna Sanguinem
34
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:54:00 -
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Eiluvial wrote:Sorry but the entrance format is ****.
What stops an entity from registering 32 teams to RMT 10000$ legally?
Like if someone were to buy every spot at 30PLEX each. Thats 528b ISK total at 550m/PLEX for 10k $, at a rate of close to 19$ per billion ISK I'm sure some people will think about it, especially when it's legal.
If someone wants to bankroll the entire tournament they can do it. It's entirely possible that a single entity buys all spots.
Thats kind of bad, isnt it. CCP might, you know. |
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
887
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:58:00 -
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20 PLEX to even have a chance?
Whatever.
Alliance tournament 2.0.
I've already lost interest in how gameable this will be as soon as real life money hits the table.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Eiluvial
Shitty Gimmick Test Alliance Please Ignore
14
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:58:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Eiluvial wrote:Sorry but the entrance format is ****.
What stops an entity from registering 32 teams to RMT 10000$ legally?
Like if someone were to buy every spot at 30PLEX each. Thats 528b ISK total at 550m/PLEX for 10k $, at a rate of close to 19$ per billion ISK I'm sure some people will think about it, especially when it's legal.
If someone wants to bankroll the entire tournament they can do it. It's entirely possible that a single entity buys all spots.
Thats kind of bad, isnt it. I would like to encourage all the illegal RMT groups in EVE to attempt to launder their ISK in this manner. What a cunning plan! What could possibly go wrong?
Like lets assume a spot is on average 40 PLEX - my guess is that it will be lower, but if you look at ATX and how much those places went for(in the end almost all close to minimum) (hell the last spot didnt get sold because no one wanted it and devs had to do another auction) and compare to ATX prices (trillions of ISK worth of stuff - way better prices than this tournament) then at a PLEXprice of 550, thats only 704b.
Individuals in Goonswarm have that much. PL can buy out the tournament twice if they wanted to. Pretty sure the highest wallet was around 3t if i remember the statistic tweets correctly. (Dont quote me on this)
Isn't this just going to be another, more "elite" Alliance Tournament, where Alliances can legally enter more teams? At half the spots of ATX but without restriction to one team/alliance isn't this the exact opposite of ATX rules with Hydra being kicked out?
What if the final is going to be another ATIX final with an "A-Team" fighting against a "B-Team"? |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
887
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:02:00 -
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Eiluvial wrote:Sorry but the entrance format is ****.
What stops an entity from registering 32 teams to RMT 10000$ legally?
Like if someone were to buy every spot at 30PLEX each. Thats 528b ISK total at 550m/PLEX for 10k $, at a rate of close to 19$ per billion ISK I'm sure some people will think about it, especially when it's legal.
If someone wants to bankroll the entire tournament they can do it. It's entirely possible that a single entity buys all spots.
Thats kind of bad, isnt it.
This is still valid and has nothing to do with "RMT" business, it has to do with a Trillion ISK alliance buying all the slots in order to ensure they get 32 teams in
32 teams * 20 plex and auction up = 1T ISK. The CFC can easily buy almost all of the teams just based on the bidding alone.
Sorry, I dislike this whole idea as presented. This is for null sec alliances and Somer Blink.
Everyone else can **** off realistically. Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
677
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:03:00 -
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Eiluvial wrote:What if the final is going to be another ATIX final with an "A-Team" fighting against a "B-Team"?
Well, with it being real money, going direct to the real person, it's a trifle more difficult to get people to throw the game
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
1507
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:05:00 -
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Eiluvial wrote:Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Eiluvial wrote:Sorry but the entrance format is ****.
What stops an entity from registering 32 teams to RMT 10000$ legally?
Like if someone were to buy every spot at 30PLEX each. Thats 528b ISK total at 550m/PLEX for 10k $, at a rate of close to 19$ per billion ISK I'm sure some people will think about it, especially when it's legal.
If someone wants to bankroll the entire tournament they can do it. It's entirely possible that a single entity buys all spots.
Thats kind of bad, isnt it. I would like to encourage all the illegal RMT groups in EVE to attempt to launder their ISK in this manner. What a cunning plan! What could possibly go wrong? Like lets assume a spot is on average 40 PLEX - my guess is that it will be lower, but if you look at ATX and how much those places went for(in the end almost all close to minimum) (hell the last spot didnt get sold because no one wanted it and devs had to do another auction) and compare to ATX prices (trillions of ISK worth of stuff - way better prices than this tournament) then at a PLEXprice of 550, thats only 704b. Individuals in Goonswarm have that much. PL can buy out the tournament twice if they wanted to. Pretty sure the highest wallet was around 3t if i remember the statistic tweets correctly. (Dont quote me on this) Isn't this just going to be another, more "elite" Alliance Tournament, where Alliances can legally enter more teams? At half the spots of ATX but without restriction to one team/alliance isn't this the exact opposite of ATX rules with Hydra being kicked out? What if the final is going to be another ATIX final with an "A-Team" fighting against a "B-Team"?
I think you are looking at a hyper worst case scenario. While it is possible for a super rich alliance to attempt to buy every slot, it would not be cost effective for them to do so.
We are breaking new ground here with EVE tournaments and we will be analyzing every aspect of how teams are formed and how they participate in the event.
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Tetsel
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
35
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:05:00 -
[56] - Quote
Damn will be away for this one... I hope Blue Lagoon hotel have a good internet connection to watch this live... Twitter:-á-á-á-á@EVE_Tetsel-á-á-á@HereticArmy |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
887
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:05:00 -
[57] - Quote
32 Teams * 30 Plex average (just putting this out there) = 960 plex * $ 20 = $19,200 in PLEX for $10,000 in rewards.
Clueless.
480,000,000,000 (480 Billion ISK) minimum entry fee. Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
206
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:07:00 -
[58] - Quote
Ship banning will cause lots of tears |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce Ascendance.
382
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:08:00 -
[59] - Quote
I was looking for a winter feature devblog |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
887
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:08:00 -
[60] - Quote
CCP Navigator wrote:
I think you are looking at a hyper worst case scenario. While it is possible for a super rich alliance to attempt to buy every slot, it would not be cost effective for them to do so.
We are breaking new ground here with EVE tournaments and we will be analyzing every aspect of how teams are formed and how they participate in the event.
Why isn't it cost effective? Even at 50% conversion rate from ISK to US$ that's better than 0 conversion rate.
I would take a trillion ISK and buy all the teams to make $10,000. Because if I can make a trillion, I can make a trillion more.
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
1507
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:09:00 -
[61] - Quote
Aineko Macx wrote:Ship banning will cause lots of tears
We are hoping for lots of variety CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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Hiram Alexander
Seraphim Securities
251
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:14:00 -
[62] - Quote
This being EVE 'n' all... Are there any metagame rules we should be aware of?, for example, should some Team Captain register their team, but trick their bunch of pilots into giving him/her 50 Plex for an auction bid that's never going to be paid, is that going to be a problem, or A-okay...? |
Eiluvial
Shitty Gimmick Test Alliance Please Ignore
14
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:14:00 -
[63] - Quote
CCP Navigator wrote: I think you are looking at a hyper worst case scenario. While it is possible for a super rich alliance to attempt to buy every slot, it would not be cost effective for them to do so.
We are breaking new ground here with EVE tournaments and we will be analyzing every aspect of how teams are formed and how they participate in the event.
Yeah I doubt one team would buy out all spots (it's possible though), thats really hyper worst case.
What concerns me more is multiple alliances buying out all the spots, making it a "elite" Alliance Tournament, in which only a few alliances can participate.
Like PL throw in 5 teams, Goons do 3, Hydra a couple, etc. so maybe 10 alliances participate at most with the finals being similar to ATIX, a A-Team vs. B-Team final. That scenario is possible and maybe likely. I'm sure most alliances who invested in ATX will enter multiple teams in this Tournament. |
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
2049
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:15:00 -
[64] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:CCP Navigator wrote:
I think you are looking at a hyper worst case scenario. While it is possible for a super rich alliance to attempt to buy every slot, it would not be cost effective for them to do so.
We are breaking new ground here with EVE tournaments and we will be analyzing every aspect of how teams are formed and how they participate in the event.
Why isn't it cost effective? Even at 50% conversion rate from ISK to US$ that's better than 0 conversion rate. I would take a trillion ISK and buy all the teams to make $10,000. Because if I can make a trillion, I can make a trillion more.
Sure, but we're going to be even harsher on colluding and foul play this year, so any sign that you're even remotely doing that and you're getting disqualified (and we'll keep the plexes of course) |
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Takeshi Yamato
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
473
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:16:00 -
[65] - Quote
This should be fun, can't wait for it. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
887
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:18:00 -
[66] - Quote
Let's look at the idea from the individual to have the PLEX cost split amongst everyone on a team.
SO, you come in with 16 guys (8 mains and 8 backups) who each put down 2 plex each to get 32 plex on the table for the bidding.
That's gonna be around $35 each or 1.2B PLEX at current prices (i'm sure people are buying PLEX already, I am).
To have a chance at splitting $10,000 over 16 people, minus the bidding, which is $544 = 9456 a prize of $591 each. Which, is almost as much as the whole team together put into the pot each. So, a 1 in 32 chance (random draw) to get 15 times your money back.
Go play a lotto, better chance of winning better prizes.
We're not even considering gaming the system to have 10 PL teams in. At which point everyone is gonna get screwed. Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
75
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:18:00 -
[67] - Quote
CCP Navigator wrote:Aineko Macx wrote:Ship banning will cause lots of tears We are hoping for lots of variety
a team consisting of only navy ospreys, navy exqurors, navy augorors, and fleet scythes
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Azrin Stella Oerndotte
The Nommo
2
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:20:00 -
[68] - Quote
Quote:Once you have a player character on a team, attempting to place another character on a second team will result in disqualification for both of those teams. For example, if you join team A with one of your accounts and then attempt to join Team B with a second account, both teams will be disqualified.
Can't this be abused to tears or am I missing something? |
Djakku
Pod Liberation Authority HYDRA RELOADED
122
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:23:00 -
[69] - Quote
CCP Sreegs wrote:Warde Guildencrantz wrote:why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction This tournament has nothing to do with alliances whatsoever. What we do have is a cost of entry in order to ensure that those who are stating they wish to compete have enough skin in the game to take it seriously. Over the long term we would definitely like to have alternative methods of doing so but we simply don't have any other option at this time.
Are Hydra banned from this aswell? |
Eiluvial
Shitty Gimmick Test Alliance Please Ignore
14
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:24:00 -
[70] - Quote
Azrin Stella Oerndotte wrote:Quote:Once you have a player character on a team, attempting to place another character on a second team will result in disqualification for both of those teams. For example, if you join team A with one of your accounts and then attempt to join Team B with a second account, both teams will be disqualified. Can't this be abused to tears or am I missing something?
You mean like my spies entering in Alliance B's multiple teams (without said Alliance knowing that they're alts) will get all of that Alliances teams banned?
Yeap :3: should make for hilarious metagaming. |
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
888
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:25:00 -
[71] - Quote
Eiluvial wrote:Azrin Stella Oerndotte wrote:Quote:Once you have a player character on a team, attempting to place another character on a second team will result in disqualification for both of those teams. For example, if you join team A with one of your accounts and then attempt to join Team B with a second account, both teams will be disqualified. Can't this be abused to tears or am I missing something? You mean like my spies entering in Alliance B's multiple teams (without said Alliance knowing that they're alts) will get all of that Alliances teams banned? Yeap :3: should make for hilarious metagaming.
Nice thinking.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
888
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:26:00 -
[72] - Quote
Djakku wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Warde Guildencrantz wrote:why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction This tournament has nothing to do with alliances whatsoever. What we do have is a cost of entry in order to ensure that those who are stating they wish to compete have enough skin in the game to take it seriously. Over the long term we would definitely like to have alternative methods of doing so but we simply don't have any other option at this time. Are Hydra banned from this aswell?
Yes Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
1508
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:26:00 -
[73] - Quote
Azrin Stella Oerndotte wrote:Quote:Once you have a player character on a team, attempting to place another character on a second team will result in disqualification for both of those teams. For example, if you join team A with one of your accounts and then attempt to join Team B with a second account, both teams will be disqualified. Can't this be abused to tears or am I missing something?
Potentially it could, however, the severity of penalties applied to player accounts who participate in this action should not be ignored.
Fake edit: They are severe.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
888
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:27:00 -
[74] - Quote
Dierdra Vaal wrote:Will the broadcasts also include player commentators & studio like the AT?
Will player adverts be allowed like the AT?
Can we have this question answered please.
I'll stop being a punk about the whole situation, I'll just tell you that I know a lot of people are plugging a lot of numbers in right now.
Oh, and prediction is PL wins.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
888
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:28:00 -
[75] - Quote
CCP Navigator wrote:Azrin Stella Oerndotte wrote:Quote:Once you have a player character on a team, attempting to place another character on a second team will result in disqualification for both of those teams. For example, if you join team A with one of your accounts and then attempt to join Team B with a second account, both teams will be disqualified. Can't this be abused to tears or am I missing something? Potentially it could, however, the severity of penalties applied to player accounts who participate in this action should not be ignored. Fake edit: They are severe.
Why should they be severe?
What is breaking the EULA on a tournament like this?
Or are we getting a new EULA specifically with this tournament written into the agreement?
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nGR RDNx
Beta Crucis Endeavour.
24
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:29:00 -
[76] - Quote
As one of a handful of people who attended the eSport session at this yearGÇÖs EVE Fanfest, I am both excited and disappointed by this event.
Will be watching with interest of how it goes.
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Eiluvial
Shitty Gimmick Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:30:00 -
[77] - Quote
Warde Guildencrantz wrote:why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction
10bil isk was like the budget for PLs ammo in ATIX, money is one of the last problems you should have when competing seriously for 1st place |
DoubleD231
Void Investments Invictus Void
0
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:30:00 -
[78] - Quote
I love how this blog opens talking about how this tourny is meant to include the people in NPC corps and yet, with that price point, I'd be willing to wager a lot of money on every entrant being from a large nullsec alliance.
I appreciate that there is not much in the way of other options, but still, got me all excited for nothing :( |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce Ascendance.
382
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:30:00 -
[79] - Quote
Its $6000 for the winning team so its worse then you have been saying lol |
TAHKEP
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:32:00 -
[80] - Quote
Dierdra Vaal wrote:Warde Guildencrantz wrote:why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction Technically it's now just limited to people who have 20+ plex laying around - alliance or not.
Dont be so fail, youve got a huge heads up about it, and if your telling me a team of 10 people cant make 20bil to make a bid in the time you have, then you probably arent good enough for this contest. |
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Eiluvial
Shitty Gimmick Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:32:00 -
[81] - Quote
CCP Navigator wrote:Azrin Stella Oerndotte wrote:Quote:Once you have a player character on a team, attempting to place another character on a second team will result in disqualification for both of those teams. For example, if you join team A with one of your accounts and then attempt to join Team B with a second account, both teams will be disqualified. Can't this be abused to tears or am I missing something? Potentially it could, however, the severity of penalties applied to player accounts who participate in this action should not be ignored. Fake edit: They are severe.
The spies will be burned anyway, and banning those accounts isn't really a problem.
Are you saying the main accounts will be affect as well? Punishment to the person and not the chars? Metagaming now an bannable offense? |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
677
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:33:00 -
[82] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:Let's look at the idea from the individual to have the PLEX cost split amongst everyone on a team.
SO, you come in with 16 guys (8 mains and 8 backups) who each put down 2 plex each to get 32 plex on the table for the bidding.
That's gonna be around $35 each or 1.2B PLEX at current prices (i'm sure people are buying PLEX already, I am).
To have a chance at splitting $10,000 over 16 people, minus the estimated average bidding, which is $544 = 9456 a prize of $591 each. Which, is almost as much as the whole team together put into the pot each. So, a 1 in 32 chance (random draw) to get 15 times your money back.
Go play a lotto, better chance of winning better prizes.
We're not even considering gaming the system to have 10 PL teams in. At which point everyone is gonna get screwed.
the top prize isn't 10k. That's the entire prize pot.
top is 6k (iirc).
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
1508
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:33:00 -
[83] - Quote
Hiram Alexander wrote:This being EVE 'n' all... Are there any metagame rules we should be aware of?, for example, should some Team Captain register their team, but trick their bunch of pilots into giving him/her 50 Plex for an auction bid that's never going to be paid, is that going to be a problem, or A-okay...?
We understand this can be a concern. Unless you are 100% sure that your team captain is a stand up guy/girl we would suggest you hold on to your individual PLEX and then pay them to 'CCP Alliance Tournament' individually if you are successful in the auction.
As long as the total number of PLEX is sent by the team then this will not be an issue.
One thing we would stress is that you all must be available to pay the PLEX if and when you win a slot otherwise your slot will be re-auctioned.
CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
888
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:33:00 -
[84] - Quote
Salpun wrote:Its $6000 for the winning team so its worse then you have been saying lol
Why's it $6,000? Taxes I take it? Ya, well, that's another thing to account for.
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
14
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:34:00 -
[85] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:Dierdra Vaal wrote:Will the broadcasts also include player commentators & studio like the AT?
Will player adverts be allowed like the AT? Can we have this question answered please. I'll stop being a punk about the whole situation, I'll just tell you that I know a lot of people are plugging a lot of numbers in right now. Oh, and prediction is PL wins. Already answered this earlier.
Yes there will be a studio
Yes there will be commentators but they will be from CCP
No there will not be player adverts for this tournament as we are trying to minimize the time between matches and give you an action packed event. |
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Salpun
Paramount Commerce Ascendance.
382
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:38:00 -
[86] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:Salpun wrote:Its $6000 for the winning team so its worse then you have been saying lol Right, top prize is $6,000. Got the big $10k in my head. Went back and fixed it, thank you. $10,000 is split 3 ways among the first 3 teams. That is before taxes.
Read the devblog . |
I'm Down
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
105
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:42:00 -
[87] - Quote
Will the winter patch be in before this kicks off?
If so
Will T1 "logistics cruisers" count toward the 1 limit?
How will money be given out at the end of the tournament... can't be trusting people when cash is on the line. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
888
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:44:00 -
[88] - Quote
Salpun wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:Salpun wrote:Its $6000 for the winning team so its worse then you have been saying lol Right, top prize is $6,000. Got the big $10k in my head. Went back and fixed it, thank you. $10,000 is split 3 ways among the first 3 teams. That is before taxes. Read the devblog .
I did. Just a slip.
It only works the argument in my favor.
All this amounts to is paying 30B ISK to "have fun" - the real money value is insignificant. And that means the only people that have expendable money to burn are the null sec alliances. And the only people that will get "Sponsored" by anyone with money are going to be teams with out ISK.
As someone pointed out, on the ATX Auction, they could barely even sell the last slot. So what makes you think you can do the same thing here?
Sorry, CCP has totally overestimated the amount of Free ISK moving around that would go towards a project like this. You are going to have a hard time filling 32 slots totaling a minimum of 480 Billion ISK, when there were BIGGER prizes, More ISK, more reputation and better rewards for ATX.
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
1508
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:45:00 -
[89] - Quote
I'm Down wrote:Will the winter patch be in before this kicks off?
If so
Will T1 "logistics cruisers" count toward the 1 limit?
How will money be given out at the end of the tournament... can't be trusting people when cash is on the line.
No, the winter patch will not be released before this tournament.
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I'm Down
Macabre Votum Against ALL Authorities
106
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:46:00 -
[90] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:Salpun wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:Salpun wrote:Its $6000 for the winning team so its worse then you have been saying lol Right, top prize is $6,000. Got the big $10k in my head. Went back and fixed it, thank you. $10,000 is split 3 ways among the first 3 teams. That is before taxes. Read the devblog . As someone pointed out, on the ATX Auction, they could barely even sell the last slot. So what makes you think you can do the same thing here? Sorry, CCP has totally overestimated the amount of Free ISK moving around that would go towards a project like this. You are going to have a hard time filling 32 slots totaling a minimum of 480 Billion ISK, when there were BIGGER prizes, More ISK, more reputation and better rewards for ATX.
Not to mention multiple of those alliance prizes were RMT'd behind closed doors afterwards in a variety of ways for quite a bit of dough. Even at the worst rates currently given, the AT prizes usually net the winners around 14,000 dollars and the Devs turn a blind eye |
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Salpun
Paramount Commerce Ascendance.
382
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:47:00 -
[91] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:Salpun wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:Salpun wrote:Its $6000 for the winning team so its worse then you have been saying lol Right, top prize is $6,000. Got the big $10k in my head. Went back and fixed it, thank you. $10,000 is split 3 ways among the first 3 teams. That is before taxes. Read the devblog . I did. Just a slip. It only works the argument in my favor. All this amounts to is paying 30B ISK to "have fun" - the real money value is insignificant. And that means the only people that have expendable money to burn are the null sec alliances. And the only people that will get "Sponsored" by anyone with money are going to be A-Teams that already have an ATX track record. As someone pointed out, on the ATX Auction, they could barely even sell the last slot. So what makes you think you can do the same thing here? Sorry, CCP has totally overestimated the amount of Free ISK moving around that would go towards a project like this. You are going to have a hard time filling 32 slots totaling a minimum of 480 Billion ISK, when there were BIGGER prizes, More ISK, more reputation and better rewards for ATX.
Yep but real cash trumps ISK right.
At least the new destroyer stats are out and might be on duality for the weekend. |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
15
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:56:00 -
[92] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:Let's look at the idea from the individual to have the PLEX cost split amongst everyone on a team.
SO, you come in with 16 guys (8 mains and 8 backups) who each put down 2 plex each to get 32 plex on the table for the bidding.
That's gonna be around $35 each or 1.2B PLEX at current prices (i'm sure people are buying PLEX already, I am).
To have a chance at splitting EDIT : $6,000 over 16 people, minus the estimated average bidding, which is $544 = 5456 a prize of $341 each. Which, is almost as much as the whole team together put into the pot each. So, a 1 in 32 chance (random draw) to get 10 times your money back.
Go play a lotto, better chance of winning better prizes.
We're not even considering gaming the system to have 10 PL teams in. At which point everyone is gonna get screwed.
http://www.lottogenie.com/html/odds.html
Those look like worse odds to me and you don't get to blow up spaceships! |
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
888
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:04:00 -
[93] - Quote
CCP Bro wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:Let's look at the idea from the individual to have the PLEX cost split amongst everyone on a team.
SO, you come in with 16 guys (8 mains and 8 backups) who each put down 2 plex each to get 32 plex on the table for the bidding.
That's gonna be around $35 each or 1.2B PLEX at current prices (i'm sure people are buying PLEX already, I am).
To have a chance at splitting EDIT : $6,000 over 16 people, minus the estimated average bidding, which is $544 = 5456 a prize of $341 each. Which, is almost as much as the whole team together put into the pot each. So, a 1 in 32 chance (random draw) to get 10 times your money back.
Go play a lotto, better chance of winning better prizes.
We're not even considering gaming the system to have 10 PL teams in. At which point everyone is gonna get screwed. http://www.lottogenie.com/html/odds.htmlThose look like worse odds to me and you don't get to blow up spaceships!
Not to promote Somer Blink... a service i dislike.
But Somer Blink you have a 1 in 8 chance of winning about 7x your money back. (house always, wins, etc). In theory, you could take 30B ISK and win 210B ISK in Somer Blink, but there would also be another 7 losers along the way. Your odds are dramatically worse, and also involve skill, which means that they're not only giving you a chance, they're weighted odds. So, you have 1 in 32 chance of winning, weighted against a ranking (PL would be one of the highest ranked), so that would put most other teams at a 1 in a 100 chance of winning or better.
On the level of CCP, you're talking about potentially making $19,000 to sell $10,000, and I won't even gander a guess at the agreements between own3dTV and yourselves and wouldn't expect you to make that public, but I'm sure it's a pretty sweet deal if CCP is going to put aside community dev hours to make it happen.
On the topic of blowing up spaceships. I stated earlier...
Quote:All this amounts to is paying 30B ISK to "have fun" - the real money value is insignificant. And that means the only people that have expendable money to burn are the null sec alliances. And the only people that will get "Sponsored" by anyone with money are going to be A-Teams that already have an ATX track record.
I'm not saying that's not worth it to some people. Sure, it is. But the carrot on the stick is the money to drive the train. It's not actually anything more or less than a carrot on a stick. Am I calling you immoral? No. I just think you're misjudging the situation, and I think you're totally overestimating the amount of ISK people will throw at this. 480B ISK+ isn't something to laugh at, and getting it all in one place and one time is something even the biggest alliances have a difficult time doing.
I can't think of 32 teams that will put this much money at the table. I can think of 8-10.
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Kumq uat
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
96
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:07:00 -
[94] - Quote
Oh my. Isn't this interesting. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
888
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:10:00 -
[95] - Quote
CCP Bro wrote: Already answered this earlier.
Yes there will be a studio
Yes there will be commentators but they will be from CCP
No there will not be player adverts for this tournament as we are trying to minimize the time between matches and give you an action packed event.
I promised I'd stop being a punk, so here's constructive feedback?
Why don't you accept a PLEX for ads? I think some player organizations would be willing to put a PLEX to advertise on your program. Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
63
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:10:00 -
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Nicely done CCP. This is a right direction to take. A game with an e-sport will attract much more players. And give to the crowd a show and u cant go wrong. See what the Romans did back in the past with the gladiator games :DDD |
Servant's Lord
Nitsujsoft Enterprises
12
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:17:00 -
[97] - Quote
So is the plex "bidding" a deposit, or a onetime payment?
IE if I throw up 35 plex, will I get my plex back at the end win or lose, or do they just disappear once they're contract to CCP Alliance Char? |
Karl Planck
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
256
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:17:00 -
[98] - Quote
HOLY F*CKSH*T, finally! Low-sec Best-sec |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
888
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:17:00 -
[99] - Quote
Servant's Lord wrote:So is the plex "bidding" a deposit, or a onetime payment?
IE if I throw up 35 plex, will I get my plex back at the end win or lose, or do they just disappear once they're contract to CCP Alliance Char?
They keep it as an entry fee.
Gotta pay the bills.
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
17
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:20:00 -
[100] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:CCP Bro wrote: Already answered this earlier.
Yes there will be a studio
Yes there will be commentators but they will be from CCP
No there will not be player adverts for this tournament as we are trying to minimize the time between matches and give you an action packed event.
I promised I'd stop being a punk, so here's constructive feedback? Why don't you accept a PLEX for ads? I think some player organizations would be willing to put a PLEX to advertise on your program.
That is a good idea and something that is definitely worth considering. One of the reasons why we are not doing player adverts this tournament is because we want to try limiting the amount of time between matches and maximizing the amount of spaceships blowing up. We will then of course look at your feedback for how that goes and factor that into future decisions.
It is worth noting that this isn't an end all tournament or a grand finale. This is the first step on a hopefully long, entertaining and successful road. Also, the main purpose of this tournament is to engage you, the community, and bring you a full scale tournament production for your entertainment, whether you partake in the tournament or just opt to watch it.
During ATX we received positive feedback and were asked multiple times, why don't you do more tournaments? We took that question to heart and are here to offer you, you guessed it, more tournaments. Any constructive criticism, pointers and observations are of course completely welcome and will help us better this service to you in the future. |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
18
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:21:00 -
[101] - Quote
Servant's Lord wrote:So is the plex "bidding" a deposit, or a onetime payment?
IE if I throw up 35 plex, will I get my plex back at the end win or lose, or do they just disappear once they're contract to CCP Alliance Char?
You will only be required to part with your PLEX if you win a spot. Meaning that you don't pay the PLEX until you have won the auction for the spot. |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
1721
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:23:00 -
[102] - Quote
Djakku wrote: Are Hydra banned from this aswell?
At this time everyone with an active player account is eligible. Game Designer | Team Game of Drones https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2093
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:24:00 -
[103] - Quote
Djakku wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Warde Guildencrantz wrote:why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction This tournament has nothing to do with alliances whatsoever. What we do have is a cost of entry in order to ensure that those who are stating they wish to compete have enough skin in the game to take it seriously. Over the long term we would definitely like to have alternative methods of doing so but we simply don't have any other option at this time. Are Hydra banned from this aswell?
Hydra doesn't exist as far as this tournament format is concerned as was stated in the post you quoted. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2093
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:26:00 -
[104] - Quote
Eiluvial wrote:CCP Navigator wrote:Azrin Stella Oerndotte wrote:Quote:Once you have a player character on a team, attempting to place another character on a second team will result in disqualification for both of those teams. For example, if you join team A with one of your accounts and then attempt to join Team B with a second account, both teams will be disqualified. Can't this be abused to tears or am I missing something? Potentially it could, however, the severity of penalties applied to player accounts who participate in this action should not be ignored. Fake edit: They are severe. The spies will be burned anyway, and banning those accounts isn't really a problem. Are you saying the main accounts will be affect as well? Punishment to the person and not the chars? Metagaming now an bannable offense?
Attempting to cheat in the tournament is yes. Was that not clear in the rules? "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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CCP Sreegs
C C P C C P Alliance
2093
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:27:00 -
[105] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:Salpun wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:Salpun wrote:Its $6000 for the winning team so its worse then you have been saying lol Right, top prize is $6,000. Got the big $10k in my head. Went back and fixed it, thank you. $10,000 is split 3 ways among the first 3 teams. That is before taxes. Read the devblog . I did. Just a slip. It only works the argument in my favor. All this amounts to is paying 30B ISK to "have fun" - the real money value is insignificant. And that means the only people that have expendable money to burn are the null sec alliances. And the only people that will get "Sponsored" by anyone with money are going to be A-Teams that already have an ATX track record. As someone pointed out, on the ATX Auction, they could barely even sell the last slot. So what makes you think you can do the same thing here? Sorry, CCP has totally overestimated the amount of Free ISK moving around that would go towards a project like this. You are going to have a hard time filling 32 slots totaling a minimum of 480 Billion ISK, when there were BIGGER prizes, More ISK, more reputation and better rewards for ATX.
I guess we'll find out who's right when we open the bidding. You can go ahead and preserve this post for further discussion at that time based on fact rather than rampant and silly speculation. "Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012 |
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
889
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:29:00 -
[106] - Quote
CCP Bro wrote:
That is a good idea and something that is definitely worth considering. One of the reasons why we are not doing player adverts this tournament is because we want to try limiting the amount of time between matches and maximizing the amount of spaceships blowing up. We will then of course look at your feedback for how that goes and factor that into future decisions.
I understand you have to run a business, but I will point out that MOST sports events make their real money on advertising money, and not off of the players in the tournament. I know you may not have an exact value for the cost of your programs advertising (and has been free, and is an awesome service for free...) - but getting a better idea of that would be in your benefit, and would ease some of the... financial burdens on the "players" (read, not 20B isk to enter the tournament).
I am sure that own3DTV made a killing on having 5-10,000K viewers (which I'm sure is huge for an eSports event) on advertising.
I would like player advertising to be free whenever possible, but in cases such as this, where you want to limit your advertising time, I'm just putting that out there. :)
Also, I'm sure own3dtv wants advertising time, so you're gonna need SOME slow time in between (or it's going to all be ads in between...) Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
889
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:31:00 -
[107] - Quote
CCP Sreegs wrote: I guess we'll find out who's right when we open the bidding. You can go ahead and preserve this post for further discussion at that time based on fact rather than rampant and silly speculation.
We'll see indeed.
But I prefer you don't call my assessment rampant and silly speculation.
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cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers THORN Alliance
72
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:32:00 -
[108] - Quote
I have read the Dev blog now as well as CCP feedback and I have to say it sounds like you have it spot on. You have covered all the bases as far as I can see. The system might not be perfect, still I cant wait for this tournament. I will enjoy watching it if I don't enter myself somehow.
I think you really need to pick the right commentators though
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
19
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:36:00 -
[109] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:CCP Bro wrote:
That is a good idea and something that is definitely worth considering. One of the reasons why we are not doing player adverts this tournament is because we want to try limiting the amount of time between matches and maximizing the amount of spaceships blowing up. We will then of course look at your feedback for how that goes and factor that into future decisions.
I understand you have to run a business, but I will point out that MOST sports events make their real money on advertising money, and not off of the players in the tournament. I know you may not have an exact value for the cost of your programs advertising (and has been free, and is an awesome service for free...) - but getting a better idea of that would be in your benefit, and would ease some of the... financial burdens on the "players" (read, not 20B isk to enter the tournament). I am sure that own3DTV made a killing on having 5-10,000K viewers (which I'm sure is huge for an eSports event) on advertising. I would like player advertising to be free whenever possible, but in cases such as this, where you want to limit your advertising time, I'm just putting that out there. :) Also, I'm sure own3dtv wants advertising time, so you're gonna need SOME slow time in between (or it's going to all be ads in between...) The major issue we ran into when playing ads on both platform simultaneously (player ads and other ads) was getting the timing right. This caused some players concern and we got feedback on that. With that feedback in mind we decided to try out a new scheduling format to see if that works better. If it does it can be adapted for future events where we can then incorporate player ads as we have done before. As I said, I like feedback and pointers and this discussion right here is exactly what is needed to help us evolve the tournament format and broadcast structure. |
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
268
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:37:00 -
[110] - Quote
Oh hell yea I'm getting in on this action lol. |
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
678
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:38:00 -
[111] - Quote
It'd be nice if the tools to do this kind of thing could be put in player hands too.
something anchor-able to generate the warp in points and so on.
And fleet level 'you are invited to a tournament fight' stuff. With automatic Sreegsing of ships leaving the range. Auto aggression rights between the fleets
maybe with a lockable gate? Though that's getting into the arena idea, which people dislike.
Just needs the 2 teams, and any spectators :) FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Kumq uat
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
96
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:41:00 -
[112] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:CCP Bro wrote:
That is a good idea and something that is definitely worth considering. One of the reasons why we are not doing player adverts this tournament is because we want to try limiting the amount of time between matches and maximizing the amount of spaceships blowing up. We will then of course look at your feedback for how that goes and factor that into future decisions.
I understand you have to run a business, but I will point out that MOST sports events make their real money on advertising money, and not off of the players in the tournament. I know you may not have an exact value for the cost of your programs advertising (and has been free, and is an awesome service for free...) - but getting a better idea of that would be in your benefit, and would ease some of the... financial burdens on the "players" (read, not 20B isk to enter the tournament). I am sure that own3DTV made a killing on having 5-10,000K viewers (which I'm sure is huge for an eSports event) on advertising. I would like player advertising to be free whenever possible, but in cases such as this, where you want to limit your advertising time, I'm just putting that out there. :) Also, I'm sure own3dtv wants advertising time, so you're gonna need SOME slow time in between (or it's going to all be ads in between...)
A couple of things. It may well turn into more something like that when we have more established teams and the brand is out there enough to be able to say to advertisers, "Hey, we can bring in X amount of viewers for your commercial and so we would like to charge you X amount of money for said advertisement." This not only makes CCP more money but will allow them to create bigger cash prizes.
Think of this first round as dipping your toes in the kiddy pool and girding yourself to eventually jump off the high dive. A first step in a series of steps that will lead to bigger things. I know I plan on participating and I am willing to bet there will be more than enough teams to fill the gaps. Should be fun. Hopefully we can find a way to not have the players pay so much once the brand is established while still producing a quality product with good teams.
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Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
231
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:46:00 -
[113] - Quote
With all the b and c teams the final will be dull again. |
Angmar Udate
Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda
6
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:49:00 -
[114] - Quote
So if I understand right: Ban: Oneiros, Ban: Guardian - you effectively banned armor fleets? |
Karl Planck
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
256
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:50:00 -
[115] - Quote
Katarina Reid wrote:With all the b and c teams the final will be dull again.
not with the bans. That is an outright brilliant tactic. Should be carried to AT XI Low-sec Best-sec |
Karl Planck
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
256
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:51:00 -
[116] - Quote
Angmar Udate wrote:So if I understand right: Ban: Oneiros, Ban: Guardian - you effectively banned armor fleets?
can still run logi legion/prot :P Low-sec Best-sec |
cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers THORN Alliance
72
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:52:00 -
[117] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:CCP Bro wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:Let's look at the idea from the individual to have the PLEX cost split amongst everyone on a team.
SO, you come in with 16 guys (8 mains and 8 backups) who each put down 2 plex each to get 32 plex on the table for the bidding.
That's gonna be around $35 each or 1.2B PLEX at current prices (i'm sure people are buying PLEX already, I am).
To have a chance at splitting EDIT : $6,000 over 16 people, minus the estimated average bidding, which is $544 = 5456 a prize of $341 each. Which, is almost as much as the whole team together put into the pot each. So, a 1 in 32 chance (random draw) to get 10 times your money back.
Go play a lotto, better chance of winning better prizes.
We're not even considering gaming the system to have 10 PL teams in. At which point everyone is gonna get screwed. http://www.lottogenie.com/html/odds.htmlThose look like worse odds to me and you don't get to blow up spaceships! Not to promote Somer Blink... a service i dislike. But Somer Blink you have a 1 in 8 chance of winning about 7x your money back. (house always, wins, etc). In theory, you could take 30B ISK and win 210B ISK in Somer Blink, but there would also be another 7 losers along the way. Your odds are dramatically worse, and also involve skill, which means that they're not only giving you a chance, they're weighted odds. So, you have 1 in 32 chance of winning, weighted against a ranking (PL would be one of the highest ranked), so that would put most other teams at a 1 in a 100 chance of winning or better. On the level of CCP, you're talking about potentially making $19,000 to sell $10,000, and I won't even gander a guess at the agreements between own3dTV and yourselves and wouldn't expect you to make that public, but I'm sure it's a pretty sweet deal if CCP is going to put aside community dev hours to make it happen. On the topic of blowing up spaceships. I stated earlier... Quote:All this amounts to is paying 30B ISK to "have fun" - the real money value is insignificant. And that means the only people that have expendable money to burn are the null sec alliances. And the only people that will get "Sponsored" by anyone with money are going to be A-Teams that already have an ATX track record. I'm not saying that's not worth it to some people. Sure, it is. But the carrot on the stick is the money to drive the train. It's not actually anything more or less than a carrot on a stick. Am I calling you immoral? No. I just think you're misjudging the situation, and I think you're totally overestimating the amount of ISK people will throw at this. 480B ISK+ isn't something to laugh at, and getting it all in one place and one time is something even the biggest alliances have a difficult time doing. I can't think of 32 teams that will put this much money at the table. I can think of 8-10. I want to be positive, I know I've taken a negative slant on this. But I'm not wanting to be negative about your event. Best of luck, make it happen. I'll make ISKies either way.
Mate sit back and relax.
You really think everyone will be paying ccp to buy plex? Of course there will be a lot, but some will use in game isk. So that 19k figure you give is unrealistic.
Also, like you admit some would pay just for the sheer fun / fame of it. Im just happy they are promoting eve at all.
Btw 8man teams right? So you assume all eight people will pull in together to get the plex :P thats not unmanageable for a hell of a lot of players.
If you are determined you will get into this. "Were not elitists, were just tired of fail" - The Sorn |
Mevari Tash-Murkon
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:54:00 -
[118] - Quote
Quote:Every tournament we have run in the past has focused on Alliances and has, for better or worse, excluded a vast portion of EVE players who are members of player and NPC corporations and so accordingly we have made the minimum cost entry to this tournament so high that it will exclude all but the larger alliances and corporations anyway. lol!
FTFY. |
Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
76
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Posted - 2012.09.28 17:55:00 -
[119] - Quote
Eiluvial wrote:Warde Guildencrantz wrote:why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction 10bil isk was like the budget for PLs ammo in ATIX, money is one of the last problems you should have when competing seriously for 1st place
In a broader spectrum tournament this would not be the case, and restrictions would be applied such that officer ships or expensively fit ships in general would be kept to alliance tournament. ISK does not dictate skill, and tournaments should be as such if they are supposed to represent the entire playerbase of eve. Of course, enough ISK to consider any subcap ship in a fleet is a reasonable amount, but people already have ships to use currently, not everyone has 10bil to throw into a pit of no return. |
Mevari Tash-Murkon
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.09.28 18:03:00 -
[120] - Quote
Heh... I just looked it up:
Evoke GÇô 20 PLEX Nulli Secunda GÇô 20 PLEX Tribal Conclave GÇô 20 PLEX Shadow Cartel GÇô 20 PLEX Capital Punishment GÇô 17 PLEX Bruderschaft der Pilger GÇô 16 PLEX Get Off My Lawn GÇô 15 PLEX Wormhole Holders GÇô 17 PLEX Fluffy Bunny Murder Squad GÇô 16 PLEX Noir. Mercenary Group GÇô 11 PLEX Fearless GÇô 10 PLEX
That's what those alliances paid to get into ATX.
http://www.d-esports.com/7028/eve-alliance-tournament-x-second-32-slots-almost-filled-no-hydra-or-outbreak/ |
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1229
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Posted - 2012.09.28 18:05:00 -
[121] - Quote
Angmar Udate wrote:So if I understand right: Ban: Oneiros, Ban: Guardian - you effectively banned armor fleets?
45 minutes before match start is really little time to switch and modify your concept.
Obviously teams will have to have multiple different setups practiced and ready to go, or some other way to handle substituting equal-ish ships into their game plan.
You know about the possibility now - start planning so you can execute easily within 45 minutes.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Servant's Lord
Nitsujsoft Enterprises
12
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Posted - 2012.09.28 18:17:00 -
[122] - Quote
CCP Bro wrote:Servant's Lord wrote:So is the plex "bidding" a deposit, or a onetime payment?
IE if I throw up 35 plex, will I get my plex back at the end win or lose, or do they just disappear once they're contract to CCP Alliance Char? You will only be required to part with your PLEX if you win a spot. Meaning that you don't pay the PLEX until you have won the auction for the spot.
You mention the reason for 20 plex being "to ensure that bidding teams are serious for a good tournament."
Why wouldn't a simple deposit be enough?
Considering the laughable value of the prizes(the only thing special about them is the fact that it's RL cash - 6k$=200b or so....AT winners get 50 run BPCs for AT ships valued on the CHEAP end at 20b...1tril easy).
You are giving out 10k in prizes, along with a "free" 4th place prize of isk(you can literally generate this out of nothing, and considering the small amount it won't do anything to the ingame economy). Assuming each winning team puts up on average 25 plex you're looking at something in excess of $12k.
Why are we the players being forced to fund our own prizes, DESPITE you making a profit of $2k AND advertising profits?
This doesn't seem to make much sense to me - it seems more like a blatant money grab.
I'm all for more tournaments and am very interested in bringing this sort of stuff to eve(I regularly livestream on Own3d myself), but I find the non-refundable entry bid to be nothing but a money grab rather than the "legitimacy guarantor" you appear to be playing it off as.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
890
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Posted - 2012.09.28 18:35:00 -
[123] - Quote
cBOLTSON wrote:
Mate sit back and relax.
You really think everyone will be paying ccp to buy plex? Of course there will be a lot, but some will use in game isk. So that 19k figure you give is unrealistic.
Also, like you admit some would pay just for the sheer fun / fame of it. Im just happy they are promoting eve at all.
Btw 8man teams right? So you assume all eight people will pull in together to get the plex :P thats not unmanageable for a hell of a lot of players.
If you are determined you will get into this.
The $19,000 or more that this is aimed at generating will come from PLEX. It doesn't matter who pays for it or not, someone paid for it somewhere. I'm not saying that the tournament players will pay out of pocket for this. It seems like this is like those people that don't realize PLEX is paid for by other players...
Thanks to another reference in another post :: http://www.d-esports.com/7028/eve-alliance-tournament-x-second-32-slots-almost-filled-no-hydra-or-outbreak/
Quote:Adding the 320 from the lottery, the total PLEX spent comes to 1289. Just over -ú19k in value, with an average of -ú307/team across the 63 entries.
19,000 pounds is a lot more like $23,000. So, my thoughts as to the estimated value of a tournament to the player base isn't that far off (i dont know what the player perceived value of this tournament will be, but given that 10 of the teams are under the 20 plex mark...)
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
336
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Posted - 2012.09.28 18:47:00 -
[124] - Quote
it is kinda sad that there is no special ship as a prize :(
especially with the v3 project, I heard it is extremely easy compared to the past to make a custom skin once the pre work is done. And with fozzie bringing ship balancing to a whole new level, it can't be difficult to find some interesting bonus ideas |
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
2051
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Posted - 2012.09.28 18:50:00 -
[125] - Quote
Gilbaron wrote:it is kinda sad that there is no special ship as a prize :(
especially with the v3 project, I heard it is extremely easy compared to the past to make a custom skin once the pre work is done. And with fozzie bringing ship balancing to a whole new level, it can't be difficult to find some interesting bonus ideas
We're going to be keeping the different tournaments separate. The ships will still be part of the alliance tournament, while this format will have other goodies.
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Dersen Lowery
Knavery Inc. StructureDamage
111
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Posted - 2012.09.28 18:52:00 -
[126] - Quote
This will be fun to watch. The bans are a clever innovation. With each captain able to ban two ships, you can wipe out some entire ship classes if so inclined.
I'm surprised that it's even remarkable that CCP hopes to bring in more money than they pay out. That's how lotteries and raffles raise money, as well. After expenses, it probably won't even be that much.
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OldDirtyBasterd
Creative Export Black Pearl Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.09.28 19:11:00 -
[127] - Quote
Will this tournament take place after the winter expansion or before it ?!? If so would t1 logi go under cruiser 7 points Vs the full 13 points. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
780
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Posted - 2012.09.28 19:15:00 -
[128] - Quote
OldDirtyBasterd wrote:Will this tournament take place after the winter expansion or before it ?!? If so would t1 logi go under cruiser 7 points Vs the full 13 points. Before
Quote: Saturday, November 17 and Sunday November 18
Saturday, November 24 and Sunday, November 25
Saturday, December 1 and Sunday, December 2 |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1229
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Posted - 2012.09.28 19:16:00 -
[129] - Quote
Servant's Lord wrote:CCP Bro wrote:Servant's Lord wrote:So is the plex "bidding" a deposit, or a onetime payment?
IE if I throw up 35 plex, will I get my plex back at the end win or lose, or do they just disappear once they're contract to CCP Alliance Char? You will only be required to part with your PLEX if you win a spot. Meaning that you don't pay the PLEX until you have won the auction for the spot. I'm all for more tournaments and am very interested in bringing this sort of stuff to eve(I regularly livestream on Own3d myself), but I find the non-refundable entry bid to be nothing but a money grab rather than the "legitimacy guarantor" you appear to be playing it off as. -Servant's Lord
Entry fee - not entry to bid. Go try the reading thing again. You pay only if your bid is one of the 32 winners.
TBH, I think a lot of you here are ignoring all the costs involved in running this tournament, just to ***** and moan about how the prizes aren't as good as the Alliance Tourney.
Guess what - THIS ISN'T THE ALLIANCE TOURNEY.
That's the big one, with the big prizes and stuff. This one is *A* tournament, with cash prizes, that anyone (rich enough) can enter, and you can cherry pick your teams.
Running a live broadcast requires just a wee bit more investment in time, people and equipment than your average Youtube video or roaming live feed. Nobody puts on tournaments for free - not Little League Baseball, not e-games, not football (whatever version), not the Olympics and not autosports. It's all done for love of the game(s) and mostly for money.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |
Celebris Nexterra
Lowsec Static No Remorse.
53
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Posted - 2012.09.28 19:16:00 -
[130] - Quote
I agree with several other posters that it is important whether or not this tourney will take place before or after the winter expansion (ship balancing and all that). But the tourney will start in less than 2 months from this day, and I would imagine the winter expansion will not be out yet, especially considering it can still be called the "winter" expansion in Jan and Feb. |
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CCP Soundwave
C C P C C P Alliance
2051
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Posted - 2012.09.28 19:47:00 -
[131] - Quote
Dersen Lowery wrote:This will be fun to watch. The bans are a clever innovation. With each captain able to ban two ships, you can wipe out some entire ship classes if so inclined.
I'm surprised that it's even remarkable that CCP hopes to bring in more money than they pay out. That's how lotteries and raffles raise money, as well. After expenses, it probably won't even be that much.
Our tournament fees aren't really made to bring in money, as much as "let's cover our costs". |
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1011
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Posted - 2012.09.28 19:59:00 -
[132] - Quote
CCP is having a PLEX sale! Stock up to fund your bid! http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Kumq uat
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
97
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Posted - 2012.09.28 20:37:00 -
[133] - Quote
One thing I will suggest is that if you plan to hold these tourneys more often as a type of e-sport, especially if you plan a final round that is a best of five, etc, that you not run the tourney on Tranquility but instead create a shard for it. You can still run the actual AT on Tranq and all of that but if you plan on doing these often enough and to have so many rounds of spaceship explosions it makes sense to have your teams running on a different server. Just throwing my two cents out there. |
Kumq uat
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
97
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Posted - 2012.09.28 20:38:00 -
[134] - Quote
Fail post |
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
1511
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Posted - 2012.09.28 21:16:00 -
[135] - Quote
After reading through the thread I just have to say that War Kitten absolutely gets it. If you have not read her posts then please do.
We in the tournament team are breaking new ground and EVE tournaments are now monetized. This is a big deal. Who knows how far we can bring this, and believe me, we have big plans.
We understand that EVE, probably more than most MMO's, is the ultimate competitive game. EVE tournaments are not about having the best gear but having the best strategies, the best set ups and, most importantly, the best players. With a solid team set up you guys can potentially start looking at corporate sponsorships in the future and can compete with other eSports.
We are putting our toe in the water with this tournament but everyone in CCP concerned with tournaments understand how big this can become and we want you to come along and be part of it.
Our goal is to grow tournaments to a whole new level and incorporate every class of player possible. This is not going to happen today or tomorrow but I can assure you that we are planning to include as many players as possible.
Let's host this tournament and see how it goes and see how we can make tournaments bigger and better in the future and how we can include lots more players. CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
670
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Posted - 2012.09.28 21:24:00 -
[136] - Quote
I like money.
This is a big step for EVE, very exciting. Our little baby is all grown up!
Also, someone recruit my broke ass lol "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
CSM7 rep, CSM 4 vet Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Takeshi Yamato
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
473
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Posted - 2012.09.28 21:31:00 -
[137] - Quote
CCP Navigator wrote:We in the tournament team are breaking new ground and EVE tournaments are now monetized. This is a big deal. Who knows how far we can bring this, and believe me, we have big plans.
Perhaps the next step is to have companies sponsor this event instead of players with plex. We already had advertising in the last tournament, just not for the sponsor but alliances instead.
20k (or whatever this costs in plex) is pocket change for a big hardware manufacturer.
Everyone benefits that way: EVE players get more amazing tournaments, the game gets good publicity and esports flair which mans more subscribers, and the sponsors get good advertising. |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1235
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Posted - 2012.09.28 22:57:00 -
[138] - Quote
CCP Bro wrote:Yes there will be commentators but they will be from CCP. I hope the man formerly know as Raivi (CCP Fozzie) will be commentating. He was the best damned player commentator you've had.
Caldari Militia |
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CCP Navigator
C C P C C P Alliance
1513
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Posted - 2012.09.28 23:00:00 -
[139] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:CCP Bro wrote:Yes there will be commentators but they will be from CCP. I hope the man formerly know as Raivi (CCP Fozzie) will be commentating. He was the best damned player commentator you've had.
Then you are totally in luck
CCP Navigator -Community Manager |
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Servant's Lord
Nitsujsoft Enterprises
13
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Posted - 2012.09.28 23:10:00 -
[140] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:Servant's Lord wrote:CCP Bro wrote:Servant's Lord wrote:So is the plex "bidding" a deposit, or a onetime payment?
IE if I throw up 35 plex, will I get my plex back at the end win or lose, or do they just disappear once they're contract to CCP Alliance Char? You will only be required to part with your PLEX if you win a spot. Meaning that you don't pay the PLEX until you have won the auction for the spot. I'm all for more tournaments and am very interested in bringing this sort of stuff to eve(I regularly livestream on Own3d myself), but I find the non-refundable entry bid to be nothing but a money grab rather than the "legitimacy guarantor" you appear to be playing it off as. -Servant's Lord Entry fee - not entry to bid. Go try the reading thing again. You pay only if your bid is one of the 32 winners. TBH, I think a lot of you here are ignoring all the costs involved in running this tournament, just to ***** and moan about how the prizes aren't as good as the Alliance Tourney. Guess what - THIS ISN'T THE ALLIANCE TOURNEY. That's the big one, with the big prizes and stuff. This one is *A* tournament, with cash prizes, that anyone (rich enough) can enter, and you can cherry pick your teams. Running a live broadcast requires just a wee bit more investment in time, people and equipment than your average Youtube video or roaming live feed. Nobody puts on tournaments for free - not Little League Baseball, not e-games, not football (whatever version), not the Olympics and not autosports. It's all done for love of the game(s) and mostly for money.
Please re-read my comment before making ill informed counterarguments.
I state quite clearly that the 32 winning bids @ 25 plex each(assuming an average bid of that).
Let me show you this in simple math, using small words.
32 winning teams. 25 plex per time. Assume $15 per plex(it is in fact more).
32*25*15=12,000
Now onto your next statement - if this is in fact just *A* tournament why is the minimum bid literally twice as much as THE ALLIANCE TOURNAMENT *trumpets and fanfare*?
I could perhaps understand if it was only 10 plex minimum bid (like the alliance tournament), but asking for a minimum bid of DOUBLE the amount for what is apparently the premier tournament, while offering around 1/5 the overall prize value(more like 1/10 as a total of 100 AT ships are given out) seems rather laughable.
CCP's stated reason was "What we do have is a cost of entry in order to ensure that those who are stating they wish to compete have enough skin in the game to take it seriously."
I can understand making people put up 20+ plex as a "cost of entry" that is completely nonrefundable should any shenanigans occur and to keep the riff-raff out, but simply taking that and keeping it does nothing to lend credibility; instead it makes this come off to informed individuals as some sort of bizarre money grab.
If us EVE players wanted to put up the cash for our own tournament, we would. I know of several individuals wealthy enough to host a tournament like this with the same rules - only difference being THEY would make the advertising money and extra $2k value in isk/plex, rather than CCP.
Your third point - that is correct, but it is funded by companies paying for advertising, or the individuals putting it on take value in the publicity it brings them or their product.
In the Olympics, Michael Phelps isn't told he needs to pay for the part of the swimming pool he wants to swim in out of pocket - that's paid for by the host country for the Olympics, often with funds generated from sponsors such as Panasonic for instance.
-Servant's Lord |
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Siobhan MacLeary
BRG Corp Ocularis Inferno
19
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Posted - 2012.09.28 23:14:00 -
[141] - Quote
Eiluvial wrote:Sorry but the entrance format is ****.
What stops an entity from registering 32 teams to RMT 10000$ legally?
Because, you driveling idiot, they'd be banned from the competition for having multiple accounts/characters on multiple teams and would win absolutely nothing. Frankly, they'd likely be banned from EVE itself, too.
EDIT: I'm assuming "entity" refers to one single person, not a group of people. |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
20
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Posted - 2012.09.28 23:35:00 -
[142] - Quote
Dersen Lowery wrote:This will be fun to watch. The bans are a clever innovation. With each captain able to ban two ships, you can wipe out some entire ship classes if so inclined.
I'm surprised that it's even remarkable that CCP hopes to bring in more money than they pay out. That's how lotteries and raffles raise money, as well. After expenses, it probably won't even be that much.
Like Soundwave said, we don't plan on this bringing in money. Most of the comments here don't factor in how much a full scale production costs.
We want this to be engaging content for the community. If you compete or not, we want you to have fun! |
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1012
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Posted - 2012.09.28 23:37:00 -
[143] - Quote
Siobhan MacLeary wrote:Eiluvial wrote:Sorry but the entrance format is ****.
What stops an entity from registering 32 teams to RMT 10000$ legally?
Because, you driveling idiot, they'd be banned from the competition for having multiple accounts/characters on multiple teams and would win absolutely nothing. Frankly, they'd likely be banned from EVE itself, too. EDIT: I'm assuming "entity" refers to one single person, not a group of people. I think he meant an alliance enters 32 teams so they can RMT their moon goo isk. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Radgette
Broken Wheel Mercantile and Trading Company Illusion of Solitude
8
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Posted - 2012.09.29 01:00:00 -
[144] - Quote
the reason "esports" work in these other games is that the winner is decided by skill and strategy.
unless you plan on giving every entrant an all 5's character how can you say it's a fair match, all those little 2%'s and 5%'s add up, especially on things like falloff, mwd speed to name but a few.
so you could be a pretty good pvper but your hampered by time spent subbed to eve. which also comes into the plex to enter equasion altho you can just buy isk and plex you can't buy SP ( yes ofc you could buy a char on the bazaar ), but that once again makes the competition only for the rich ingame or out of game
yes ofc you want to make it a good show, but wheres the tournaments for the not so rich or old eve characters :P |
Kumq uat
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
98
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Posted - 2012.09.29 01:12:00 -
[145] - Quote
Radgette wrote:the reason "esports" work in these other games is that the winner is decided by skill and strategy.
unless you plan on giving every entrant an all 5's character how can you say it's a fair match, all those little 2%'s and 5%'s add up, especially on things like falloff, mwd speed to name but a few.
so you could be a pretty good pvper but your hampered by time spent subbed to eve. which also comes into the plex to enter equasion altho you can just buy isk and plex you can't buy SP ( yes ofc you could buy a char on the bazaar ), but that once again makes the competition only for the rich ingame or out of game
yes ofc you want to make it a good show, but wheres the tournaments for the not so rich or old eve characters :P
Make your own with a sp cap. Maybe CCP can make one as like a halftime show. Like pee-wee football played at half time in a pro game. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1176
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Posted - 2012.09.29 01:25:00 -
[146] - Quote
I think this is an awesome idea. Just awesome.
You know what we need now, right? A 23/7 EvE streaming TV station that you can pipe into your captains quarters.
It's going to happen. Wait and see.
Think about how many DUST players would come into EvE if they were watching EvE tournaments in there dirty ground pounder quarters.
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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
88
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Posted - 2012.09.29 02:48:00 -
[147] - Quote
This is only really cool untill you crunch the numbers
We can assume that a winning team has 20-24 players taking some part in this tournament through theory crafting and practicing and so forth..
So in the end the price would be 6000/20 - tax = :(
I just don't think this is enough of an incentive for corps to throw all those plexes into it and all that effort for that, it hardly seems worth it.
I love the idea but, i just don't think this will produce anything near the AT level of competition. |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
894
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Posted - 2012.09.29 03:24:00 -
[148] - Quote
Radgette wrote:the reason "esports" work in these other games is that the winner is decided by skill and strategy.
unless you plan on giving every entrant an all 5's character how can you say it's a fair match, all those little 2%'s and 5%'s add up, especially on things like falloff, mwd speed to name but a few.
so you could be a pretty good pvper but your hampered by time spent subbed to eve. which also comes into the plex to enter equasion altho you can just buy isk and plex you can't buy SP ( yes ofc you could buy a char on the bazaar ), but that once again makes the competition only for the rich ingame or out of game
yes ofc you want to make it a good show, but wheres the tournaments for the not so rich or old eve characters :P
If you missed the message... the entry cost is 20B ISK.
If you can afford 20B ISK, then you're probably in a situation where your skill points is an issue.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
780
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Posted - 2012.09.29 03:54:00 -
[149] - Quote
inb4 forum rage. Wish i was good and won some money, $1000 would = new computer and thus more eve, maybe even another account |
WarpToMe AtZero
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.09.29 04:01:00 -
[150] - Quote
I'll just put this here from reddit/r/eve ...
DeadGuyAle: Because this is an auction for a slot to play, 20 Plex is the minimum bid. So if you are rich you are assured a spot to play. Every tournament we have run in the past has focused on Alliances and has, for better or worse, excluded a vast portion of EVE players who are members of player and NPC corporations. By having this an auction and not a lottery, they are still excluding a vast portion of EVE players. Why not auction off 28 spots and lottery off the last 4. (Or some other number, Call them wild cards) That way the space rich get in and those who are good but living in a cardboard box in a station get a chance also. Just my .02 Isk.
Femaref Been that way the last time as well and there have been enough small alliances that participated.
danzilla007 Lotteries are no bueno. Auctions assure that those who actually get in are serious about it, and deliver on those expectations. I think most people understand that while it may seem unfair to only allow the space rich, the reality is that tournament play requires the participants to be space-rich in order to put on a good show.
DeadGuyAle That just sounds elitist....I'm not asking for all slots be a lottery.... Hell not even half. If you have the ISK cool you get to play. If not ... Go screw yourself. Right? that's what you are saying. 20 plex if you win a lottery spot is to much to ask to get the common man in. By doing an auction ONLY they are excluding a vast portion of the EVE population. ONLY the rich will be able to participate. But its nice to know only the space rich can put on a good show. Heaven forbid an underdog play with the blue bloods. Let them eat CAKE.... Ohhh and I am space ehhhh .. And would get the same result undocking in Jita with 20 plex in a rookie ship,(blown up and out 20 plex) so I don't have a horse in this race. I'm just calling it as I see it. CCP is sucking up Plexs, own3d.tv sucking up advertising dollars and the common EVE player is just sucking it. Or just **** out of luck. |
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WarpToMe AtZero
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.09.29 04:19:00 -
[151] - Quote
Bloodpetal wrote:Radgette wrote:the reason "esports" work in these other games is that the winner is decided by skill and strategy.
unless you plan on giving every entrant an all 5's character how can you say it's a fair match, all those little 2%'s and 5%'s add up, especially on things like falloff, mwd speed to name but a few.
so you could be a pretty good pvper but your hampered by time spent subbed to eve. which also comes into the plex to enter equasion altho you can just buy isk and plex you can't buy SP ( yes ofc you could buy a char on the bazaar ), but that once again makes the competition only for the rich ingame or out of game
yes ofc you want to make it a good show, but wheres the tournaments for the not so rich or old eve characters :P If you missed the message... the entry cost is 20B ISK. If you can afford 20B ISK, then you're probably *not* in a situation where your skill points is an issue.
lol 20 billion ISK is the minimum for the entry fee. May only the King and Queens fight in this battle. (or their proxies)
The common EVE player will be relegated the the nose bleed section of the arena. Yeah, you are screwed if you are in a small, poor, group that does PVP well.. Get back to the fields. Get back to work. We need your taxes not your skills. |
WarpToMe AtZero
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.09.29 04:31:00 -
[152] - Quote
Garviel Tarrant wrote:This is only really cool untill you crunch the numbers
We can assume that a winning team has 20-24 players taking some part in this tournament through theory crafting and practicing and so forth..
So in the end the price would be 6000/20 - tax = :(
I just don't think this is enough of an incentive for corps to throw all those plexes into it and all that effort for that, it hardly seems worth it.
I love the idea but, i just don't think this will produce anything near the AT level of competition.
Of course it will produce..... $10,000+ for CCP in plex and, as I have read more than $10,000 in advertising revenue for own3d.tv or why else would they have offered to do this for the *cough* privileged of EVE. |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1177
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Posted - 2012.09.29 04:37:00 -
[153] - Quote
WarpToMe AtZero wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:This is only really cool untill you crunch the numbers
We can assume that a winning team has 20-24 players taking some part in this tournament through theory crafting and practicing and so forth..
So in the end the price would be 6000/20 - tax = :(
I just don't think this is enough of an incentive for corps to throw all those plexes into it and all that effort for that, it hardly seems worth it.
I love the idea but, i just don't think this will produce anything near the AT level of competition. Of course it will produce..... $10,000+ for CCP in plex and, as I have read more than $10,000 in advertising revenue for own3d.tv or why else would they have offered to do this for the *cough* privileged of EVE. So what? Who cares how they do it? It's just cool that third parties are interested in doing it at all. Yah I'd like to see the alliance tournament become more inclusive, but 3rd parties can do what they like.
This tournament is better than no tournament... is what I'm saying. It's just cool.
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WarpToMe AtZero
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.09.29 04:43:00 -
[154] - Quote
Gogela wrote:WarpToMe AtZero wrote:Garviel Tarrant wrote:This is only really cool untill you crunch the numbers
We can assume that a winning team has 20-24 players taking some part in this tournament through theory crafting and practicing and so forth..
So in the end the price would be 6000/20 - tax = :(
I just don't think this is enough of an incentive for corps to throw all those plexes into it and all that effort for that, it hardly seems worth it.
I love the idea but, i just don't think this will produce anything near the AT level of competition. Of course it will produce..... $10,000+ for CCP in plex and, as I have read more than $10,000 in advertising revenue for own3d.tv or why else would they have offered to do this for the *cough* privileged of EVE. So what? Who cares how they do it? It's just cool that third parties are interested in doing it at all. Yah I'd like to see the alliance tournament become more inclusive, but 3rd parties can do what they like. This tournament is better than no tournament... is what I'm saying. It's just cool.
I am sure England applauds you. Or hell, even the Romans. They became more inclusive when the lions eat the slaves. Let there be games........... |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
1177
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Posted - 2012.09.29 04:52:00 -
[155] - Quote
WarpToMe AtZero wrote: I am sure England applauds you. Or hell, even the Romans. They became more inclusive when the lions ate the slaves. Let there be games........... The slaves did make the games, games.... right.
wat
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Pipa Porto
1071
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Posted - 2012.09.29 05:18:00 -
[156] - Quote
CCP: Sponsoring RMT since 2012. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
340
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Posted - 2012.09.29 06:10:00 -
[157] - Quote
I don't like the ban system for EVE
It's in moba tournaments because those games have glaring balance holes and and people use the same characters that have OP skills that make the game boring. In EVE everything has a good counter. I'd rather see the best setups vs the best. |
Mai Khumm
Omen Industries -Entropy-
255
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Posted - 2012.09.29 07:35:00 -
[158] - Quote
Sounds like a great idea, but I do hope that CCP will divied the prizes...
I can see alot of issues if it's given to the Team Leader to divide.... "Being drunk is a good disguise. I drink so I can talk to a**holes. This includes me." |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
186
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Posted - 2012.09.29 08:24:00 -
[159] - Quote
Linking RL money&rewards to ingame stuff might very well be Pandora's box, something you really shouldn't want to mess with. In the future it would be a great way to legitimise RMT with for example. Also, if there's a direct link to ingame actions and RL money that could spark a whole new discussion about legal issues regarding ingame items and their RL worth especially in a game like EVE where scamming is an accepted playstyle, and ofcourse taxation.
Not sure CCP should want to head in that direction. Amat victoria curam. |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1235
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Posted - 2012.09.29 09:33:00 -
[160] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:CCP: Sponsoring RMT since 2012. Are we still shitting up the thread with tinfoil?
Caldari Militia |
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Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1235
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Posted - 2012.09.29 09:34:00 -
[161] - Quote
from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/09/evesports-evolved-death2allsupers.html
What might be the next logical step in the eveSport evolution. We already have an alliance tournament, and a cash-money team tournament. What else to help hype EVE Online? And kills some supers as well? How about a tournament to showcase nullsec combat. Replete with a titans and supercarriers.
Number of Teams: 8 - 16
Players per Teams: 50 maximum
Tournament Format: Single Elimination
Entry Fee: Free (because entering supercaps is fee enough.)
Match Length: 30 minutes
Arena Size: 500 km diameter sphere.
Team Composition: 1 titan (required), 2 supercarriers (required), and up to 47 ships of any other type, built via a point-based system. All hulls are allowable.
Module Limitations: All modules (including cloaking devices,) except for cynos are allowable.
Build Points: I'm not going to go there. CCP is best suited to determine the points of the various hulls and ship types. Titans and supercarriers are required on each team, limited to a single titan and two supercarriers.
Beacons: Teams begin at a single beacon, 100 km from the sphere edge. Teams thus begin 300km from each other.
Rules: The usual. No leaving the arena. Any ships leaving the arena will be destroyed by the tournament referees.
Prize: Something worthwhile, since losing supercaps is a likely possibility. Perhaps a special tournament Titan, usable with any racial titan skill. Or a crapload of plex from the EVE Central Bank. Or perhaps seeding planets of the teams choice with technetium. Or renaming a system. Caldari Militia |
Tamonash en Welle
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.09.29 09:37:00 -
[162] - Quote
Sportsmanship... among competitive EVE players... for real world cash...
I expect to see meta-gaming at new heights here. I does puzzle me why CCP is perfectly fine with people using underhand tactics and being dicks to get any advantage within the game, but when it comes to public stunts like this, everybody is suddenly supposed to behave nice to each other.
It is not showing off the real game at all, which I actually find a shame. |
Mai Khumm
Omen Industries -Entropy-
259
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Posted - 2012.09.29 10:17:00 -
[163] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/09/evesports-evolved-death2allsupers.htmlWhat might be the next logical step in the eveSport evolution. We already have an alliance tournament, and a cash-money team tournament. What else to help hype EVE Online? And kills some supers as well? How about a tournament to showcase nullsec combat. Replete with a titans and supercarriers. Number of Teams: 8 - 16 Players per Teams: 50 maximum Tournament Format: Single Elimination Entry Fee: Free (because entering supercaps is fee enough.) Match Length: 30 minutes Arena Size: 500 km diameter sphere. Team Composition: 1 titan (required), 2 supercarriers (required), and up to 47 ships of any other type, built via a point-based system. All hulls are allowable. Module Limitations: All modules (including cloaking devices,) except for cynos are allowable. Build Points: I'm not going to go there. CCP is best suited to determine the points of the various hulls and ship types. Titans and supercarriers are required on each team, limited to a single titan and two supercarriers. Beacons: Teams begin at a single beacon, 100 km from the sphere edge. Teams thus begin 300km from each other. Rules: The usual. No leaving the arena. Any ships leaving the arena will be destroyed by the tournament referees. Prize: Something worthwhile, since losing supercaps is a likely possibility. Perhaps a special tournament Titan, usable with any racial titan skill. Or a crapload of plex from the EVE Central Bank. Or perhaps seeding planets of the teams choice with technetium. Or renaming a system.
Worst idea...........ever!
"Being drunk is a good disguise. I drink so I can talk to a**holes. This includes me." |
Nex apparatu5
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
346
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Posted - 2012.09.29 12:53:00 -
[164] - Quote
WarpToMe AtZero wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:Radgette wrote:the reason "esports" work in these other games is that the winner is decided by skill and strategy.
unless you plan on giving every entrant an all 5's character how can you say it's a fair match, all those little 2%'s and 5%'s add up, especially on things like falloff, mwd speed to name but a few.
so you could be a pretty good pvper but your hampered by time spent subbed to eve. which also comes into the plex to enter equasion altho you can just buy isk and plex you can't buy SP ( yes ofc you could buy a char on the bazaar ), but that once again makes the competition only for the rich ingame or out of game
yes ofc you want to make it a good show, but wheres the tournaments for the not so rich or old eve characters :P If you missed the message... the entry cost is 20B ISK. If you can afford 20B ISK, then you're probably *not* in a situation where your skill points is an issue. lol 20 billion ISK is the minimum for the entry fee. May only the King and Queens fight in this battle. (or their proxies) The common EVE player will be relegated to the nose bleed section of the arena. Yeah, you are screwed if you are in a small, poor, group that does PVP well.. (i.e. Pirates) Get back to the fields you 2nd class pesents. Get back to work. We need your taxes not your skills.
Since when is a single plex a big deal to anyone who's not totally new to this game? I thin you're vastly overstating how much isk you need.
(Hint - 1 plex per player) |
Servant's Lord
Nitsujsoft Enterprises
13
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Posted - 2012.09.29 13:29:00 -
[165] - Quote
Nex apparatu5 wrote:WarpToMe AtZero wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:Radgette wrote:the reason "esports" work in these other games is that the winner is decided by skill and strategy.
unless you plan on giving every entrant an all 5's character how can you say it's a fair match, all those little 2%'s and 5%'s add up, especially on things like falloff, mwd speed to name but a few.
so you could be a pretty good pvper but your hampered by time spent subbed to eve. which also comes into the plex to enter equasion altho you can just buy isk and plex you can't buy SP ( yes ofc you could buy a char on the bazaar ), but that once again makes the competition only for the rich ingame or out of game
yes ofc you want to make it a good show, but wheres the tournaments for the not so rich or old eve characters :P If you missed the message... the entry cost is 20B ISK. If you can afford 20B ISK, then you're probably *not* in a situation where your skill points is an issue. lol 20 billion ISK is the minimum for the entry fee. May only the King and Queens fight in this battle. (or their proxies) The common EVE player will be relegated to the nose bleed section of the arena. Yeah, you are screwed if you are in a small, poor, group that does PVP well.. (i.e. Pirates) Get back to the fields you 2nd class pesents. Get back to work. We need your taxes not your skills. Since when is a single plex a big deal to anyone who's not totally new to this game? I thin you're vastly overstating how much isk you need. (Hint - 1 plex per player)
Since when are pirates good pvpers? 90% of pirates are "we outnumber you 5:1 and gank you hilariously fast or we run", "we have as many falcons as you have ships lined up, or we will not engage", or finally "we outnumber your ship that could kill us 5:1, so we're ALL gonna drop ECM drones, tracking disruptors, and orbit you with 5 sensor damping permamwd condors/hookbills...umadbro?".
That is what most pirates are...theres only a handful of actually solid groups (Tuskers are one that come to mind) that are actually capable of pvp.
20b is generally nothing to those WITH the list of All5 skills who are capable pvpers, but most of us generally get to where we're at through intelligent decisions. Putting up hilarious amounts of money s that CCP can make a very solid profit on this NO MATTER WHAT seems rather disgusting and one sided. It shows a huge amount of risk aversion by CCP, with us their customers putting up all of the money for the tournament ourselves.
If CCP come out and admits "yes we don't want to risk this, we're asking you the players nicely to front the money for this etc etc etc" it would come off a bit better. Their current dismissal of the entry fee as "ensuring contestants have a thick skin and are serious" is a blatant lie and is quite upsetting. |
Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
69
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Posted - 2012.09.29 13:59:00 -
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The ship values need a little more tweaking, IMO Perhaps something like this:
- Frigates have been buffed and shouid be 3 points. 2 point merlins are too cheap.
- In light of the AF buff, bombers have become weaker and should be downgraded to 5 points.
- Assault frigates themselves should maybe cost 5 points. Not sure on this one.
- Even at 12 points, I don't think you'll be seeing HICs (lol-broadswords aside). 11, or even 10 points maybe.
- Marauders are stronger than regular battleships, and should cost slightly more - 18 points.
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Admiral Goberius
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
4
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Posted - 2012.09.29 15:15:00 -
[167] - Quote
So I have been looking closely at the rules post and the dev replies in this thread and cannot find any details about the whole B team deal.
I get that this is a character based tournament and alliance affiliation doesnt matter.
I see nothing in the rules against the same alliance or group fielding multiple teams as long as: 1. all the teams are made up of independent characters played by independent players 2. no collusion happens if these teams were to face each other on tourney day
HOWEVER
there is quite a big precedent for good players and bad posters getting banned for touching dicks on sisi so could you clarify whether there is *any* restriction to the same alliance fielding multiple teams as long as they do not collude? |
Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
42
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Posted - 2012.09.29 15:27:00 -
[168] - Quote
omFg SpaceCCPBro. You Nailed It! |
Ensign X
311
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Posted - 2012.09.29 16:16:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Warde Guildencrantz wrote:why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction What we do have is a cost of entry in order to ensure that those who are stating they wish to compete have enough skin in the game to take it seriously.
As well as taking enough PLEX out of the game so that this tournament is funded entirely BY THE PLAYERS rather than taking a dime out of CCP's pockets. |
Ensign X
311
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Posted - 2012.09.29 16:29:00 -
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Servant's Lord wrote:
You mention the reason for 20 plex being "to ensure that bidding teams are serious for a good tournament."
Why wouldn't a simple deposit be enough?
2 reasons.
1) A deposit wouldn't take PLEX out of the market/game and put them into CCP's pockets. 2) OK, I lied, just the 1 reason.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
673
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Posted - 2012.09.29 20:09:00 -
[171] - Quote
Nice way to start the media attention campaign for the launch of DUST 514. Hopefully the finalists will rig the final match and it will make big headlines. I play games for fun, evasion and reward.-áEVE is not fun, it sucks as much as reality and dismisses all my ways of playing it.
I think that I should unhook myself from that b*tch... Soon. |
Theory Bore
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.09.29 20:58:00 -
[172] - Quote
Any chance I could get some clarification by CCP on some of the rules regarding team size for this tournament?
"Dev Blog" wrote: Please note that the minimum team size is eight pilots and the maximum team size is 24 pilots (8 main players plus up to 16 reserves).
Here it's somewhat confusing as to what a "player" and what a "pilot" is defined as. Does this mean 24 people can be on any given team or does it mean that there is a limit of 24 in-game characters? (e.g. would a team of 20 people who own 3 accounts each be allowed to use all 60 characters in the tournament)
"Dev Blog" wrote:You may have as many of your characters in a single team as your captain allows. For example, if you own 5 EVE Online accounts with three characters on each there are no restrictions on how many of those characters can be in a single team. If you feel you can multibox your way to victory against some very dedicated teams then more power to you.
By the same metric, would a single person who owns 8 accounts be able to enter a team? The rules state that you need a minimum of 8 players, but it's still not clear as to what a "player" is according to the rules. |
Nikuno
Atomic Heroes The G0dfathers
65
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Posted - 2012.09.29 21:11:00 -
[173] - Quote
Love the Alliance Tournament, flown in 3 to date, watched all the others. No interest in this. Sorry. |
Lucas Quaan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
41
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Posted - 2012.09.29 21:24:00 -
[174] - Quote
CCP Navigator wrote:We in the tournament team are breaking new ground and EVE tournaments are now monetized. This is a big deal. Who knows how far we can bring this, and believe me, we have big plans.
We understand that EVE, probably more than most MMO's, is the ultimate competitive game. EVE tournaments are not about having the best gear but having the best strategies, the best set ups and, most importantly, the best players. With a solid team set up you guys can potentially start looking at corporate sponsorships in the future and can compete with other eSports.
We are putting our toe in the water with this tournament but everyone in CCP concerned with tournaments understand how big this can become and we want you to come along and be part of it.
Our goal is to grow tournaments to a whole new level and incorporate every class of player possible. This is not going to happen today or tomorrow but I can assure you that we are planning to include as many players as possible.
Let's host this tournament and see how it goes and see how we can make tournaments bigger and better in the future and how we can include lots more players. It's an interesting idea and the best of luck with it, but this is EVE. Trying to hold this tournament within the regular game world is asking for a lot of trouble and drama.
You stated that there are consequences to attempting to 'pollute' other teams, but what other meta-gaming is considered against the rules? Are teams originating from the same entity allowed buy out all the slots? Spying/testing together? Bribing a director to peek into their hangars and tell you what's there?
I'm not saying I wont enjoy this and bending the rules was always part of the game, but you need to be extra clear on what you intend to enforce. Basically, always assume the worst of us. We sure do of you. ;) <3
edit: And like the post above, you still need to clarify if by 'player' you mean 'account' or 'physical person to be identified at sign-up', however you intend to verify that. |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
22
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Posted - 2012.09.29 21:47:00 -
[175] - Quote
Theory Bore wrote:Any chance I could get some clarification by CCP on some of the rules regarding team size for this tournament? "Dev Blog" wrote: Please note that the minimum team size is eight pilots and the maximum team size is 24 pilots (8 main players plus up to 16 reserves). Here it's somewhat confusing as to what a "player" and what a "pilot" is defined as. Does this mean 24 people can be on any given team or does it mean that there is a limit of 24 in-game characters? (e.g. would a team of 20 people who own 3 accounts each be allowed to use all 60 characters in the tournament) "Dev Blog" wrote:You may have as many of your characters in a single team as your captain allows. For example, if you own 5 EVE Online accounts with three characters on each there are no restrictions on how many of those characters can be in a single team. If you feel you can multibox your way to victory against some very dedicated teams then more power to you.
By the same metric, would a single person who owns 8 accounts be able to enter a team? The rules state that you need a minimum of 8 players, but it's still not clear as to what a "player" is according to the rules.
Regarding your first question, you can have up to 24 people on a team but in that case every person can only field 1 character each. If you have 20 people on a team they can together field up to 24 in-game characters.
The second question, if you own 8 accounts you can register a team and multibox in the tournament. |
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Lucas Quaan
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
41
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Posted - 2012.09.29 23:04:00 -
[176] - Quote
Got it, 'player' in the rules means 'character' then. Thank you. |
Vikarion
Blackened Steel
40
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Posted - 2012.09.30 02:53:00 -
[177] - Quote
Awesome! |
Alexandra Alt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
197
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Posted - 2012.09.30 03:57:00 -
[178] - Quote
I don't know but is this another economy test from Dr. E on market speculation to keep PLEX prices up ?
Despite me being very happy with EvE attempting to enter eSports, specially since my TV is only streaming of either tournaments or eSports related, I can't stop feeling there's some pretty wrong things over how this is getting setup.
For starters the auction thing, it doesn't work, might be a necessary evil this once but I think it should have been done better, wait a bit longer to start this trend and work on getting a way of having natural qualification of teams according to their prowess instead of their pockets.
I don't know, someone a long time ago suggested arenas in EvE and this might be something useful for tournaments, setup teams, rankings and automatically a setup done to select the contestants, or something similar.
Another issue imo, is the skill points, all competitive games heavily rely on player skill, while EvE also relies a lot in player skill, I foresee a lot of issues that making this popular will bring on to EvE:
- Increase in character value with sponsors buying chars for their players since this one with 2% more of this skill can make a difference. - black market and real money black market by sponsors waving money around in order to meta game (bribe) people to sell their characters for their players. - a new market, character builder, not that it doesn't exist now, but will be a lot more profitable in the future.
Well that's just the few I can gett out of my head at this time of the night, and with some bar+alcohol hours in my head.
How would EvE succeed in eSports ?
- in game ranking system in order to qualify teams for tournaments (elo/ladders/whatever) - special tournament server with all lvl 5's chars so only skill/setup/team work are the only variable that can define an outcome.
And last but not the least,
- CCP Fozzie casting all games!!!!! |
TheSmokingHertog
TALIBAN EXPRESS
63
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Posted - 2012.09.30 05:10:00 -
[179] - Quote
It would be awesome to watch the stream in a local cinema nearby... |
Jhone Cahos
Force Unifiee
2
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Posted - 2012.09.30 12:21:00 -
[180] - Quote
20 plex to bid ! whaoo mass suicide for teams who wont pass the first turn.
How to tell small team that you are note enaffly rich to participe to this kind of event ! |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
1724
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Posted - 2012.09.30 14:12:00 -
[181] - Quote
Admiral Goberius wrote:So I have been looking closely at the rules post and the dev replies in this thread and cannot find any details about the whole B team deal.
I get that this is a character based tournament and alliance affiliation doesnt matter.
I see nothing in the rules against the same alliance or group fielding multiple teams as long as: 1. all the teams are made up of independent characters played by independent players 2. no collusion happens if these teams were to face each other on tourney day
HOWEVER
there is quite a big precedent for good players and bad posters getting banned for touching dicks on sisi so could you clarify whether there is *any* restriction to the same alliance fielding multiple teams as long as they do not collude?
Since this tournament is based on teams not alliances the concept of alliance B teams doesn't really apply. We expect that for the first couple times many teams will be from specific alliances but hopefully teams will start developing identities of their own eventually.
There is no restriction against an alliance, corp or any other benefactor sponsoring multiple teams as long as those teams are distinct and are working for their own victory.
As in all previous eve tournaments, the tournament team completely reserves the right to do whatever is needed to ensure that the matches are competitive. Game Designer | Team Game of Drones https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Admiral Goberius
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
4
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Posted - 2012.09.30 14:39:00 -
[182] - Quote
rgr thanks for the answer
the next obvious question:
Is there any rules against sparring on the test server as long as the sparring teams compete as independent entities and avoid all collusion on tourney day?
Quote:There is no restriction against an alliance, corp or any other benefactor sponsoring multiple teams as long as those teams are distinct and are working for their own victory.
I am asking because "working for their own victory" could be interpreted as a statement against sparring; is this the case? |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
899
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Posted - 2012.09.30 14:42:00 -
[183] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote: Since this tournament is based on teams not alliances the concept of alliance B teams doesn't really apply. We expect that for the first couple times many teams will be from specific alliances but hopefully teams will start developing identities of their own eventually. .
This is generally called a corporation in EVE, a guild in other MMOs, and so on, since that is the metric by which identity is formed.
Sure, the occassional lone wolf from the group is out there roaming... but this is a matter of identity...
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
1724
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Posted - 2012.09.30 15:00:00 -
[184] - Quote
There are already alliances that were formed just for tournaments and that's fine. This team format also allows people from multiple alliances who like to work together in the tournament but who enjoy having distinct alliances in normal gameplay form one unified team. I'm going to be very interested in seeing the social structures that players continue to develop around these kinds of things.
If teams want to have exhibition matches against each other that's fine. However there's a difference between watching two teams spar against each other and watching one team with two names have internal practices. We know the difference. Game Designer | Team Game of Drones https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
62
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Posted - 2012.09.30 15:01:00 -
[185] - Quote
CCP Navigator wrote:Aineko Macx wrote:Ship banning will cause lots of tears We are hoping for lots of variety
In tears? Sable's Ammo Shop at Alentene V - Moon 4 - Duvolle Laboratories Factory. Hybrid charges, Projectile ammo, Missiles, Drones, Ships, Need'em? We have'em, at affordable prices. Pop in at our Ammo Shop in sunny Alentene. |
Admiral Goberius
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
4
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Posted - 2012.09.30 15:27:00 -
[186] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:If teams want to have exhibition matches against each other that's fine. However there's a difference between watching two teams spar against each other and watching one team with two names have internal practices. We know the difference.
Ok, in the case of this character based tournament the only way to have one team enter twice is if the same player competed in two different teams by account sharing right?
Two teams made of independent players from the same alliance/affiliation sparring against each other is allowed right?
I know you mostly already answered this and I apologize if I come across as pedantic but I just want to understand 100% what is cool and what isnt. Thanks again. |
Slaktoid
Aperture Harmonics K162
12
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Posted - 2012.09.30 15:28:00 -
[187] - Quote
I'm gonna be cautiously optimistic this time, even though it sometimes feels like CCP are preaching sportsmanship and stroking the player with one hand, while slapping him with the other. This is a highly subjective opinion though, I may be somewhat biased by bittervet syndrome.
I'm concerned about how this will go down in mainstream gaming media though. I can certainly see some harmful headlines, especially from those who aren't fully aware of how the PLEX system works. Judging by the comments (or lack thereof) by the CSM, I assume they were sidelined and as surprised as the rest of us by this announcement. They may not be the best to consult on esports matters, but they have easy access to those of us who have been involved and have been following the esports scene for a long time.
A few words for Bro and Fozzie specifically (and the other who organize this). I hope there is a future for this. I would strongly urge you to limit participation to one character pr person. I want to see Kil2, Garmon, Prom (their actual names, not alts) and all these guys we already know from media productions, compete with eachother. It's the storylines we need to create for this thing to explode. Nobody would watch the UFC if Joe Blows were fighting Dim Sums every time. It's the Anderson Silvas and the Randy Cotoures who makes it interesting. It's the Brazillian Top Team vs Chute Box rivalries that engage us so deeply. We need our own Nadas and Boxers and Nesteas to emerge. We need our own Clan 9 vs Death Row, or fnatic vs SK Gaming rivalries to get the blood boiling and the stakes raised.
You need to focus on the Teams and the names, they need to create the brand. We need to be able to recognize and pick out those we know to be good pvp'ers, so we can cheer for them, worship or hate them. If we can't easily recognize who are fighting, we don't have a stake in the outcome of the fight, and the result won't matter. It won't draw us back another time. After this initial round, you need to look to preserve the "teambrands" or at least encourage them to "bring it" to the next tourney. This could be done by invites for example. Maybe the top 8 teams will be invited back to the next tournament, provided they keep roster changes limited and such.
I would also suggest to try to reach out to people who truely know what this is all about. The likes of Marcus "djWHEAT" Graham, Rod "Slasher" Breslau and so forth. They are contractbound by other companies to some extents, but that probably don't prevent anyone from reaching out informally. Talk to maybe MLG management. A lot of those guys are passionate about what they do, and I would imagine guys like Sundance DiGiovanni could give excellent advices about the most important things to look out for.
We can't just go ahead in the usual way of "This is Eve Online. We do it our own way, we don't care bla bla bla". We need to pay attention to mainstream gaming media coverage, stream numbers etc, because that is what will bring the external sponsors like Razer, MSI, TT and others. And those are the companies one would like to attract to an E-Sport.
Good Luck. And may the best team win! |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
1724
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Posted - 2012.09.30 15:40:00 -
[188] - Quote
Admiral Goberius wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:If teams want to have exhibition matches against each other that's fine. However there's a difference between watching two teams spar against each other and watching one team with two names have internal practices. We know the difference. Ok, in the case of this character based tournament the only way to have one team enter twice is if the same player competed in two different teams by account sharing right? Two teams made of independent players from the same alliance/affiliation sparring against each other is allowed right? I know you mostly already answered this and I apologize if I come across as pedantic but I just want to understand 100% what is cool and what isnt. Thanks again.
A certain amount of vagueness in the rules is a necessary evil so that people won't think they can wiggle through the letter of the law, so sorry if we can't spell things out quite as cleanly as many people would like.
In the last Alliance Tournament there were two reasons for the "B team" rule:
1) To ensure that as many alliances as possible get a chance to compete 2) To ensure that each team will try to win when faced with any other team
Since we're team based for this one the first reason isn't valid. We don't care what alliance any members of any teams are from. Basically make sure it's clear that your team is distinct from other teams and is in this thing to win. That's what I mean by "one team with two names". If two teams have the same leadership and are working towards getting their "A team" through instead of for themselves it becomes fairly obvious. Game Designer | Team Game of Drones https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Admiral Goberius
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
4
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Posted - 2012.09.30 16:10:00 -
[189] - Quote
Oki I think I see what you mean, thank you. Also good idea with the bans imho it makes for a lot of interesting strategy / meta. |
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
257
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Posted - 2012.09.30 16:50:00 -
[190] - Quote
I think two years ago there was a comment that Eve Tournaments were something that CCP no longer really budgeted for because they were costly and did not provide a measurable return. Has that changed at all?
In order to create a truly competitive e-sport out of Eve you need to make the competition that happens in the tournament a way that you can play the game normally. This is the case in every other e-sport. As it is now, because of how much effort it is, only very dedicated groups go out of their way to recreate the environment of the competition for practice. More and more people are doing this but it is still a lot of effort. Some people have suggested that Eve needs some sort of arenas. Do you have any thoughts on this?
"Players who are suspected of joining multiple teams to disrupt the tournament or auction process may be subject to administrative penalties including loss of access to their accounts."
This sounds like accounts are being banned from Eve not the tournament. If this is true, banning accounts from Eve based on suspicion alone is pretty drastic. What will be done to prevent someone suspected but not guilty from getting their accounts banned? Will there be some communication between CCP and the player before action is taken?
Thanks. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1356717#post1356717 |
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Idris Helion
University of Caille Gallente Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.09.30 16:56:00 -
[191] - Quote
I wonder if running some "regional" tournaments to qualify for entry into the big tournament might work as a mechanism to get the smaller corps and less-wealthy players into the matches.
Most sporting events work that way: you have qualifying matches at the local and regional level to qualify for the big tournament. It's an organizational hassle for CCP, I guess, but then again there's no reason that CCP itself has to coordinate all this: player councils could handle running the regional tourneys. Using this model, any level of team could get to the tourney if they won the local and regional matches.
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Salpun
Paramount Commerce Ascendance.
384
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Posted - 2012.09.30 17:14:00 -
[192] - Quote
Which server will be seeded for tournament practice? |
Jhone Cahos
Force Unifiee
2
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Posted - 2012.09.30 18:01:00 -
[193] - Quote
it will be nice to see the stream live into our desk officier on our big hd flat tv !!! |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1239
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Posted - 2012.09.30 19:33:00 -
[194] - Quote
from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/09/cash-money-tournament-20-plex-too-much.html
FWEDDIT'S PERSPECTIVE
There has been some real interest from within Fweddit to join in on the fun this November in the Own3D.tv/EVE Online cash-money tournament. As much as a number of us would love to get in on the action, the twenty plex (minimum) entry fee is a real limiting factor.
Twenty months of playtime to get in on two, maybe three matches (if we're lucky), have a bit of fun, is a pretty steep price. We're neither a ship rich nor a skill rich group of players. But to show up, have some fun, get the word out on Fweddit and faction warfare, that would have made it worthwhile.
I'm not quite sure why twenty plex is CCP's magic number. How twenty plex somehow assures people take the tournament seriously, where ten plex assumes people won't? Ten plex and I'm sure fielding a Fweddit team would be a no-brainer. Twenty plex, and people are humming and hawing, and Magic Eight Ball says "Not likely" when asked if Fweddit will get together a team.
Fweddit is not a rich alliance. We don't have tech moons. And only 4B ISK in the alliance wallet, which goes to pay for all of our ship reimbursements for our newbros. It costs money to keep the Stanzielcat doctrine up and running. It costs money to keep our "shitting up local" methodologies at their highest level, one step ahead of the competition, we can't let slip our dominance in the cultural war for one moment.
On the one hand CCP states that they want to open up the tournament to more people, a wider variety of people, yet the twenty plex (minimum) fee seems to ensure that it is open to the exact same group of people that take part in the alliance tournament.
Twenty plex. Them's rich stakes.
And there may be EVE groups or EVE businesses that might be interested in sponsoring Fweddit. I would hope we would turn them down. By accepting charity, we send the wrong message to CCP. We roll over and accept their twenty plex minimum as acceptable. Caldari Militia |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
332
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Posted - 2012.09.30 19:44:00 -
[195] - Quote
CCP Bro wrote:Every tournament we have run in the past has focused on Alliances and has, for better or worse, excluded a vast portion of EVE players who are members of player and NPC corporations.
and
CCP Bro wrote:A minimum of 20 PLEX is required to bid. This made me and at the same time. A $360 - 400 floor (20x PLEX) is an interesting way to open the bidding. Larger groups of non-alliance players should be able to come up with the scratch to submit teams.
But this bidding method still favors those with the mega-deep pockets and the egos to match, i.e., tech-fueled alliance space jockeys.
Alternatively, why not have a team lottery (transparently managed) with the same participation restrictions? This certainly would make team involvement more equitable.
If concerned about the sincerity of the teams vying for competition, then host preliminary tournaments to weed out those who are simply looking to troll the event and your company. +++++++ I have never shed a tear for a fellow EVE player until now. Mark GÇ£SeleeneGÇ¥ Heard's Blog Honoring Sean "Vile Rat" Smith. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
678
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Posted - 2012.09.30 19:45:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/09/cash-money-tournament-20-plex-too-much.htmlFWEDDIT'S PERSPECTIVEThere has been some real interest from within Fweddit to join in on the fun this November in the Own3D.tv/EVE Online cash-money tournament. As much as a number of us would love to get in on the action, the twenty plex (minimum) entry fee is a real limiting factor. Twenty months of playtime to get in on two, maybe three matches (if we're lucky), have a bit of fun, is a pretty steep price. We're neither a ship rich nor a skill rich group of players. But to show up, have some fun, get the word out on Fweddit and faction warfare, that would have made it worthwhile. I'm not quite sure why twenty plex is CCP's magic number. How twenty plex somehow assures people take the tournament seriously, where ten plex assumes people won't? Ten plex and I'm sure fielding a Fweddit team would be a no-brainer. Twenty plex, and people are humming and hawing, and Magic Eight Ball says "Not likely" when asked if Fweddit will get together a team. Fweddit is not a rich alliance. We don't have tech moons. And only 4B ISK in the alliance wallet, which goes to pay for all of our ship reimbursements for our newbros. It costs money to keep the Stanzielcat doctrine up and running. It costs money to keep our "shitting up local" methodologies at their highest level, one step ahead of the competition, we can't let slip our dominance in the cultural war for one moment. On the one hand CCP states that they want to open up the tournament to more people, a wider variety of people, yet the twenty plex (minimum) fee seems to ensure that it is open to the exact same group of people that take part in the alliance tournament. Twenty plex. Them's rich stakes. And there may be EVE groups or EVE businesses that might be interested in sponsoring Fweddit. I would hope we would turn them down. By accepting charity, we send the wrong message to CCP. We roll over and accept their twenty plex minimum as acceptable.
1 plex= 15 USD/EUR 20 PLEX = 20 x 15= 300 USD/EUR 32 teams x 20 plexes each= 9,600 USD/EUR
It almost pays itself back and will buy way more media & public exposure than spend 10,000 $ in advertising.
Cunning dudes. I play games for fun, evasion and reward.-áEVE is not fun, it sucks as much as reality and dismisses all my ways of playing it.
I think that I should unhook myself from that b*tch... Soon. |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
332
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Posted - 2012.09.30 19:56:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:*snip*
1 plex= 15 USD/EUR 20 PLEX = 20 x 15= 300 USD/EUR 32 teams x 20 plexes each= 9,600 USD/EUR
It almost pays itself back and will buy way more media & public exposure than spend 10,000 $ in advertising.
Cunning dudes. $9600 Assuming that the auction bids go no higher than the price of entry.
I'm counting the posts until a CCP employee or surrogate 'cries poor' and bemoans the incredible financial burden this tournament will place on their organization.
+++++++ I have never shed a tear for a fellow EVE player until now. Mark GÇ£SeleeneGÇ¥ Heard's Blog Honoring Sean "Vile Rat" Smith. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
678
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Posted - 2012.09.30 20:08:00 -
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Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:*snip*
1 plex= 15 USD/EUR 20 PLEX = 20 x 15= 300 USD/EUR 32 teams x 20 plexes each= 9,600 USD/EUR
It almost pays itself back and will buy way more media & public exposure than spend 10,000 $ in advertising.
Cunning dudes. $9600 Assuming that the auction bids go no higher than the price of entry. I'm counting the posts until a CCP employee or surrogate 'cries poor' and bemoans the incredible financial burden this tournament will place on their organization.
The bids are the cherry that tops the cake. CCP could actually be earning money by advertising itself for free. I play games for fun, evasion and reward.-áEVE is not fun, it sucks as much as reality and dismisses all my ways of playing it.
I think that I should unhook myself from that b*tch... Soon. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
102
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Posted - 2012.10.01 00:37:00 -
[199] - Quote
I really don't see what the big fuss is about CCP charging plex for entry like this.
Firstly this is the first ever tournament. If they find what is being charged etc isn't providing the correct results, it will change. It's all experimental (like the best college years) and therefore the best thing for everyone to do is just run with it and see what happens.
Secondly if CCP are trying to make this the "Premier League" of EVE (or the "Major Leagues" or whatever) PvP tournaments then it kind of makes sense to cost a lot to enter. EVE players has constantly proven to be more then capable of creating organisations and social structures where none exist. How long before someone figures out that if they get sponsored by say... Somer Blink for 8 Plex and they call their Team "The Somer Blink Giants" and agree to mention them in any posts/interviews etc that it's already reduced the rest of the Plex they need to raise? Not saying Somer Blink are interested in sponsoring anyone but you get the point.
Thirdly, you think anyone runs a tournament out of charity and good will? It's a sodding company! The Olympics is, on the face of it, run as a charity but even then there's a lot of money thrown in from Sponsors and then the host nation pays a hell of a lot of money to host it. |
Pipa Porto
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.01 00:39:00 -
[200] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:1 plex= 15 USD/EUR 20 PLEX = 20 x 15= 300 USD/EUR 32 teams x 20 plexes each= 9,600 USD/EUR
It almost pays itself back and will buy way more media & public exposure than spend 10,000 $ in advertising.
Cunning dudes.
You're missing the substantial production costs. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
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Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1242
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Posted - 2012.10.01 00:44:00 -
[201] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:The bids are the cherry that tops the cake. CCP could actually be earning money by advertising itself for free. They are advertising itself for free, aren't they? Isn't the cash-money prizes coming out of Own3D's pocket? (I may have missed a post that states otherwise.) Caldari Militia |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1242
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Posted - 2012.10.01 00:45:00 -
[202] - Quote
Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:Firstly this is the first ever tournament. If they find what is being charged etc isn't providing the correct results, it will change. It's all experimental (like the best college years) and therefore the best thing for everyone to do is just run with it and see what happens. But why does CCP tend to err to high, rather than too low? (Monocles, anyone?)
Caldari Militia |
Samson Davis
Ouroboros Consortium
0
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Posted - 2012.10.01 01:02:00 -
[203] - Quote
I am excited to watch this. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
102
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Posted - 2012.10.01 02:10:00 -
[204] - Quote
Poetic Stanziel wrote:Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:Firstly this is the first ever tournament. If they find what is being charged etc isn't providing the correct results, it will change. It's all experimental (like the best college years) and therefore the best thing for everyone to do is just run with it and see what happens. But why does CCP tend to err to high, rather than too low? (Monocles, anyone?)
Because that's what I'd do if I was running a business and I wasn't sure which price to go with (high or low) I'd pick high and then if no-one liked it move to low.
Why?
Because "We've halved the price" sounds better then "We've double the price" if you're wrong.
Plus though CCP wont admit this, I'm assuming this first one is basically a low risk experiment to see what works and what doesn't before they set up a variety of possibly lower barrier options. For example 1 on 1 or 2 on 2 tournaments. Fact is this is AT but with a few twists, AT works, it's popular and they know roughly what type of people will turn up.
If this works they can take a step further away from the AT format in one direction with this one, and go the opposite with another.
Personally I like the idea of having a Corporation that exists solely to scour the galaxy to make the best CT team they can possibly get, funded by sponsors to put together an all star team. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
678
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Posted - 2012.10.01 06:37:00 -
[205] - Quote
Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:*snip*
1 plex= 15 USD/EUR 20 PLEX = 20 x 15= 300 USD/EUR 32 teams x 20 plexes each= 9,600 USD/EUR
It almost pays itself back and will buy way more media & public exposure than spend 10,000 $ in advertising.
Cunning dudes. $9600 Assuming that the auction bids go no higher than the price of entry. I'm counting the posts until a CCP employee or surrogate 'cries poor' and bemoans the incredible financial burden this tournament will place on their organization.
3 posts later...
Pipa Porto wrote:You're missing the substantial production costs.
I play games for fun, evasion and reward.-áEVE is not fun, it sucks as much as reality and dismisses all my ways of playing it.
I think that I should unhook myself from that b*tch... Soon. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
4939
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Posted - 2012.10.01 07:20:00 -
[206] - Quote
Now that's an incentive to start pvp'ing... if one knew how haha
I look forward to watch and follow this!
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Pipa Porto
1097
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Posted - 2012.10.01 08:10:00 -
[207] - Quote
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:*snip*
1 plex= 15 USD/EUR 20 PLEX = 20 x 15= 300 USD/EUR 32 teams x 20 plexes each= 9,600 USD/EUR
It almost pays itself back and will buy way more media & public exposure than spend 10,000 $ in advertising.
Cunning dudes. $9600 Assuming that the auction bids go no higher than the price of entry. I'm counting the posts until a CCP employee or surrogate 'cries poor' and bemoans the incredible financial burden this tournament will place on their organization. 3 posts later... Pipa Porto wrote:You're missing the substantial production costs.
The AT cost CCP money to put on after taking into account the fact that most of the staff volunteered time for it and the PLEX they took in in application fees.
This is probably going to cost them as much or more (who knows how willing the staff will be to volunteer now that it's clearly and e-sports promotion). Even considering the fact that CCP isn't producing the $10k prize pool. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
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Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
64
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Posted - 2012.10.01 09:55:00 -
[208] - Quote
CCP Bro wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:CCP Bro wrote: Already answered this earlier.
Yes there will be a studio
Yes there will be commentators but they will be from CCP
No there will not be player adverts for this tournament as we are trying to minimize the time between matches and give you an action packed event.
I promised I'd stop being a punk, so here's constructive feedback? Why don't you accept a PLEX for ads? I think some player organizations would be willing to put a PLEX to advertise on your program. That is a good idea and something that is definitely worth considering. One of the reasons why we are not doing player adverts this tournament is because we want to try limiting the amount of time between matches and maximizing the amount of spaceships blowing up. We will then of course look at your feedback for how that goes and factor that into future decisions. It is worth noting that this isn't an end all tournament or a grand finale. This is the first step on a hopefully long, entertaining and successful road. Also, the main purpose of this tournament is to engage you, the community, and bring you a full scale tournament production for your entertainment, whether you partake in the tournament or just opt to watch it. During ATX we received positive feedback and were asked multiple times, why don't you do more tournaments? We took that question to heart and are here to offer you, you guessed it, more tournaments. Any constructive criticism, pointers and observations are of course completely welcome and will help us better this service to you in the future.
What makes you think people are going to want watch not just a and b teams fighting each other (at9), but abcd teams fighting each other? We paid close to 32 bill in the auction for ATX when only one team per alliance was allowed. With these rules there's no limit to "teams" per alliance. "Every tournament we have run in the past has focused on Alliances and has, for better or worse, excluded a vast portion of EVE players who are members of player and NPC corporation"
...so how do those rules accomplish getting those people who were excluded in the past involved? if anythig they seem to make it even more exclusionary. SLAPD - Star Scientist, I science stars |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
22
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Posted - 2012.10.01 10:41:00 -
[209] - Quote
Cat Casidy wrote:What makes you think people are going to want watch not just a and b teams fighting each other (at9), but abcd teams fighting each other? We paid close to 32 bill in the auction for ATX when only one team per alliance was allowed. With these rules there's no limit to "teams" per alliance. "Every tournament we have run in the past has focused on Alliances and has, for better or worse, excluded a vast portion of EVE players who are members of player and NPC corporation"
...so how do those rules accomplish getting those people who were excluded in the past involved? if anythig they seem to make it even more exclusionary. Collusion in the tournament is not allowed, simply put if you throw a match or attempt to game the tournament you will be disqualified. Players are free to scrim and practice against other teams as much as they want as long as they play every match in the tournament with the intent to win. I think our position on colluding is clear after the events of AT9. |
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Mawderator
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
8
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Posted - 2012.10.01 11:26:00 -
[210] - Quote
CCP Bro wrote:Cat Casidy wrote:What makes you think people are going to want watch not just a and b teams fighting each other (at9), but abcd teams fighting each other? We paid close to 32 bill in the auction for ATX when only one team per alliance was allowed. With these rules there's no limit to "teams" per alliance. "Every tournament we have run in the past has focused on Alliances and has, for better or worse, excluded a vast portion of EVE players who are members of player and NPC corporation"
...so how do those rules accomplish getting those people who were excluded in the past involved? if anythig they seem to make it even more exclusionary. Collusion in the tournament is not allowed, simply put if you throw a match or attempt to game the tournament you will be disqualified. Players are free to scrim and practice against other teams as much as they want as long as they play every match in the tournament with the intent to win. I think our position on colluding is clear after the events of AT9.
So despite you endorsing metagaming, you actually expect people to play nice when real life cash is on the line? |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
22
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Posted - 2012.10.01 11:37:00 -
[211] - Quote
Mawderator wrote:CCP Bro wrote:Cat Casidy wrote:What makes you think people are going to want watch not just a and b teams fighting each other (at9), but abcd teams fighting each other? We paid close to 32 bill in the auction for ATX when only one team per alliance was allowed. With these rules there's no limit to "teams" per alliance. "Every tournament we have run in the past has focused on Alliances and has, for better or worse, excluded a vast portion of EVE players who are members of player and NPC corporation"
...so how do those rules accomplish getting those people who were excluded in the past involved? if anythig they seem to make it even more exclusionary. Collusion in the tournament is not allowed, simply put if you throw a match or attempt to game the tournament you will be disqualified. Players are free to scrim and practice against other teams as much as they want as long as they play every match in the tournament with the intent to win. I think our position on colluding is clear after the events of AT9. So despite you endorsing metagaming, you actually expect people to play nice when real life cash is on the line? I fail to see how these two situations are comparable. One is a corporation theft and the other is throwing a match in a tournament with specific rules. Also, the same rules against collusion were in effect for ATX and there was no real life cash on the line there. It's not about the prize in any way, it is about hosting an entertaining event. |
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Molinator Agnon
8
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Posted - 2012.10.01 11:42:00 -
[212] - Quote
I'm very glad this tournament is happening.
The prize pool did not surprise me - this is a first step, after all.
From an eSports perspective, 45 minutes is way too long for brooding about your opponent's ban picks. If you're really meta gaming the right way you'll know what ships certain teams commonly use - and you'll know how to defend against a ban on a commonly used ship with a new setup.
15 minutes would allow the bans for the match on deck to take place just before the current match is aired, which would allow viewers to tune into the meta game without having to keep a score sheet and sit around for 3+ matches to take place to see the results of their predictions.
That gripe aside, I'll be tuning into this for sure. I enjoyed watching ATX and I hope to see more of these in the future. |
Admiral Goberius
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
4
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Posted - 2012.10.01 11:47:00 -
[213] - Quote
Molinator Agnon wrote:I'm very glad this tournament is happening.
The prize pool did not surprise me - this is a first step, after all.
From an eSports perspective, 45 minutes is way too long for brooding about your opponent's ban picks. If you're really meta gaming the right way you'll know what ships certain teams commonly use - and you'll know how to defend against a ban on a commonly used ship with a new setup.
15 minutes would allow the bans for the match on deck to take place just before the current match is aired, which would allow viewers to tune into the meta game without having to keep a score sheet and sit around for 3+ matches to take place to see the results of their predictions.
That gripe aside, I'll be tuning into this for sure. I enjoyed watching ATX and I hope to see more of these in the future.
it takes more than 15 minutes to just hand out the prefitted ships, ammo, implants to everyone and double check that everything is fine |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
22
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Posted - 2012.10.01 13:40:00 -
[214] - Quote
Molinator Agnon wrote:I'm very glad this tournament is happening.
The prize pool did not surprise me - this is a first step, after all.
From an eSports perspective, 45 minutes is way too long for brooding about your opponent's ban picks. If you're really meta gaming the right way you'll know what ships certain teams commonly use - and you'll know how to defend against a ban on a commonly used ship with a new setup.
15 minutes would allow the bans for the match on deck to take place just before the current match is aired, which would allow viewers to tune into the meta game without having to keep a score sheet and sit around for 3+ matches to take place to see the results of their predictions.
That gripe aside, I'll be tuning into this for sure. I enjoyed watching ATX and I hope to see more of these in the future.
Admiral Goberius wrote:it takes more than 15 minutes to just hand out the prefitted ships, ammo, implants to everyone and double check that everything is fine
Exactly Admiral, that is why we opted to have the bans 45 minutes before to give teams adequate time to adapt to the banned ships. As for your comment Molinator, we will show the bans and discuss them just before we go into the match. This should hopefully take away any need for a score card to keep track of what ships are being banned for each match. |
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sonny2dap
Wakoponeta Zippytie Co.
1
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Posted - 2012.10.01 15:39:00 -
[215] - Quote
I gotta say I Like the idea and i'll tune in, I've also gotta say I am 100% on board with the entry requirements at this stage, yes this does limit the participants to primarily null alliances/rich but for the time being it is the only way to ensure some level of ability within the participants. as has been pointed out if your well known enough/can demonstrate your skill there's no reason a group of players cant organise a team and come up with the minimum required, I think some of the examples given in this thread of metagaming to the extreme are exactly that, and anything that extreme is likely obvious and CCP can step in if they feel the need.
Now I have to admit I would like to see a competitive arena within the main game ( I am aware of resistance to this idea) but a league system/qualification system supported by an entry fee would certainly add to the game imo. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
1748
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Posted - 2012.10.01 16:09:00 -
[216] - Quote
I am not sure I am interested in a tournament for only $10...now if you want to make that $10,000...then we got something.
(Thread title is wrong.) EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
23
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Posted - 2012.10.01 17:28:00 -
[217] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I am not sure I am interested in a tournament for only $10...now if you want to make that $10,000...then we got something.
(Thread title is wrong.) Or is it? |
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Kharmha
Sttarrlighte Industries
5
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Posted - 2012.10.01 17:32:00 -
[218] - Quote
Dierdra Vaal wrote:Warde Guildencrantz wrote:why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction Technically it's now just limited to people who have 20+ plex laying around - alliance or not.
Yes, this is true, but dont forget about the auction to get your team into the tourny. It is 'starting out' as 20 plex's, but if 32 teams bid more then 20 plex each, your team bidding 20 plex is out. I honestly see this as another allince tourny, just it wont be called that. Who wants to wager that most if not all teams are each from 1 corp/alliance and its basicly another alliance tourny?
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
23
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Posted - 2012.10.01 17:56:00 -
[219] - Quote
Duncan Tanner wrote:I think two years ago there was a comment that Eve Tournaments were something that CCP no longer really budgeted for because they were costly and did not provide a measurable return. Has that changed at all?
In order to create a truly competitive e-sport out of Eve you need to make the competition that happens in the tournament a way that you can play the game normally. This is the case in every other e-sport. As it is now, because of how much effort it is, only very dedicated groups go out of their way to recreate the environment of the competition for practice. More and more people are doing this but it is still a lot of effort. Some people have suggested that Eve needs some sort of arenas. Do you have any thoughts on this?
"Players who are suspected of joining multiple teams to disrupt the tournament or auction process may be subject to administrative penalties including loss of access to their accounts."
This sounds like accounts are being banned from Eve not the tournament. If this is true, banning accounts from Eve based on suspicion alone is pretty drastic. What will be done to prevent someone suspected but not guilty from getting their accounts banned? Will there be some communication between CCP and the player before action is taken?
Thanks. Regarding the first part of your post, it is true that practicing and doing tournaments at this time is a hassle in EVE and if this becomes a more regular thing we will of course look to provide players with the tools necessary to practice more efficiently. How and if that will be done is uncertain at this point.
Regarding the second part of the post, we will of course thoroughly investigate any infringements of the rules and only act if we have evidence that we deem conclusive. I honestly hope that people can respect the rules and put on a good show while striving towards winning the tournament with their piloting skills. After all, you want to be able to call yourself "The best team in EVE" and not "The team that tried to cheat". |
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
682
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Posted - 2012.10.01 18:15:00 -
[220] - Quote
Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I am not sure I am interested in a tournament for only $10...now if you want to make that $10,000...then we got something.
(Thread title is wrong.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark
Got to love varying standards FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
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Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
97
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Posted - 2012.10.01 19:21:00 -
[221] - Quote
An arena, pure, unadulterated win! |
Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch DarkSide.
69
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Posted - 2012.10.01 22:20:00 -
[222] - Quote
Faffywaffy wrote:The ship values need a little more tweaking, IMO Perhaps something like this:
- Frigates have been buffed and shouid be 3 points. 2 point merlins are too cheap.
- In light of the AF buff, bombers have become weaker and should be downgraded to 5 points.
- Assault frigates themselves should maybe cost 5 points. Not sure on this one.
- Even at 12 points, I don't think you'll be seeing HICs (lol-broadswords aside). 11, or even 10 points maybe.
- Marauders are stronger than regular battleships, and should cost slightly more - 18 points.
Also, navy battleships are weaker than pirate ones and should cost a point less - 19 points. |
Aotearorian
ANZAC ALLIANCE Executive Outcomes
0
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Posted - 2012.10.02 00:49:00 -
[223] - Quote
One think is not stipulated clearly.
If players enter multiply characters on team, would it cause his to resive his share of winning multiply times or just one share per player, not character. |
azurisk
Lockheed Nighthawk
2
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Posted - 2012.10.02 09:40:00 -
[224] - Quote
I bet this is going to make a nice amount of money for ccp. I suggest you adjust the prizes to be won to the amount of PLEX you get for auctioning off the tournament spots. Considering an easy 40 PLEX per spot, 32 * 40 * 20 is about 25,000 dollar. Fellow capsuleers have no illusions, this is not organized for us. Just a new way to make some easy money for CCP. I for one am disgusted by this idea. Another elite tournament only accessible to the big alliances. |
Sedilis
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
21
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Posted - 2012.10.02 10:40:00 -
[225] - Quote
Great to see more official esports from CCP. And that its open to groups of players not just alliances.
@ all those QQing over the entry fee: Clearly it should be free so you can waste everyone's time by entering your terrible team just like you do with your terrible posting :P |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
24
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Posted - 2012.10.02 12:55:00 -
[226] - Quote
Aotearorian wrote:One think is not stipulated clearly.
If players enter multiply characters on team, would it cause his to resive his share of winning multiply times or just one share per player, not character. The prizes are divided between players, not characters. |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
918
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Posted - 2012.10.02 14:43:00 -
[227] - Quote
Jester brings up a relevant point:
"How many Americans did CCP Bro effectively disenfranchise from the New Eden Open Tournament by scheduling it to straddle the U.S. Thanksgiving weekend? "
Jester Post |
Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
94
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Posted - 2012.10.02 14:50:00 -
[228] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jester brings up a relevant point: "How many Americans did CCP Bro effectively disenfranchise from the New Eden Open Tournament by scheduling it to straddle the U.S. Thanksgiving weekend? " Jester Post
God forbid they have to stop eating for a moment to participate in eve warfare |
Reticle
Sight Picture
15
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Posted - 2012.10.02 15:36:00 -
[229] - Quote
Anyone over there know how to use a World Holiday Calendar? |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
780
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Posted - 2012.10.02 16:18:00 -
[230] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jester brings up a relevant point: "How many Americans did CCP Bro effectively disenfranchise from the New Eden Open Tournament by scheduling it to straddle the U.S. Thanksgiving weekend? " Jester Post
Fact:
CCP isn't located in USA so they dont have no "Thanksgiving weekend"
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
334
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Posted - 2012.10.02 20:31:00 -
[231] - Quote
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jester brings up a relevant point: "How many Americans did CCP Bro effectively disenfranchise from the New Eden Open Tournament by scheduling it to straddle the U.S. Thanksgiving weekend? " Jester Post Fact: CCP isn't located in USA so they dont have no "Thanksgiving weekend" CCP's Atlanta, GA USA office based employees might disagree.
Thanksgiving in the U.S.A is the highest travel-based holiday in the year (November 21 - 25, 2012) for a relatively young demographic, so yeah, this has the potential to impact a ton of U.S. EVE subscribers. +++++++ I have never shed a tear for a fellow EVE player until now. Mark GÇ£SeleeneGÇ¥ Heard's Blog Honoring Sean "Vile Rat" Smith. |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
334
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Posted - 2012.10.02 20:40:00 -
[232] - Quote
Pipa Porto wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:*snip*
1 plex= 15 USD/EUR 20 PLEX = 20 x 15= 300 USD/EUR 32 teams x 20 plexes each= 9,600 USD/EUR
It almost pays itself back and will buy way more media & public exposure than spend 10,000 $ in advertising.
Cunning dudes. $9600 Assuming that the auction bids go no higher than the price of entry. I'm counting the posts until a CCP employee or surrogate 'cries poor' and bemoans the incredible financial burden this tournament will place on their organization. 3 posts later... Pipa Porto wrote:You're missing the substantial production costs. The AT cost CCP money to put on after taking into account the fact that most of the staff volunteered time for it and the PLEX they took in in application fees. This is probably going to cost them as much or more (who knows how willing the staff will be to volunteer now that it's clearly and e-sports promotion). Even considering the fact that CCP isn't producing the $10k prize pool. I'm no Icelandic tax expert, but if these expenses are written off under the marketing category, CCP might have very little-to-no cash outlay in the end.
+++++++ I have never shed a tear for a fellow EVE player until now. Mark GÇ£SeleeneGÇ¥ Heard's Blog Honoring Sean "Vile Rat" Smith. |
Cordo Draken
ABOS Industrial Enterprises
17
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Posted - 2012.10.02 23:04:00 -
[233] - Quote
I love it, Tournament is open to everyone, you just need to have Alliance style ISK making potential to Enter... Or just happen to have 20 plex lying around among friends/corpmates, for just a Chance to get picked. If this Tourny is getting funded by someone else, why such a high entry fee. Hmmm, 20 plex x $15 (US) x 32 teams = $9,600 ... Coincidence? Com'on CCP, I understand you wanting Veteran Pilots in this, but make this truly open for those without such a Grand ISK Roll too!
Otherwise, I'd Love to Participate and this is a great Idea! eëÆWhomever said, "You only get one shot to make a good impression," was utterly wrong. I've made plenty of great impressions with my AutocannonseëÆ eÉà |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
686
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Posted - 2012.10.02 23:18:00 -
[234] - Quote
Cordo Draken wrote:I love it, Tournament is open to everyone, you just need to have Alliance style ISK making potential to Enter... Or just happen to have 20 plex lying around among friends/corpmates, for just a Chance to get picked. If this Tourny is getting funded by someone else, why such a high entry fee. Hmmm, 20 plex x $15 (US) x 32 teams = $9,600 ... Coincidence? Com'on CCP, I understand you wanting Veteran Pilots in this, but make this truly open for those without such a Grand ISK Roll too! Otherwise, I'd Love to Participate and this is a great Idea!
It should be noted, if you're not one of the 32 teams, you don't pay anything. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Cordo Draken
ABOS Industrial Enterprises
17
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Posted - 2012.10.02 23:30:00 -
[235] - Quote
Steve Ronuken wrote:Cordo Draken wrote:I love it, Tournament is open to everyone, you just need to have Alliance style ISK making potential to Enter... Or just happen to have 20 plex lying around among friends/corpmates, for just a Chance to get picked. If this Tourny is getting funded by someone else, why such a high entry fee. Hmmm, 20 plex x $15 (US) x 32 teams = $9,600 ... Coincidence? Com'on CCP, I understand you wanting Veteran Pilots in this, but make this truly open for those without such a Grand ISK Roll too! Otherwise, I'd Love to Participate and this is a great Idea! It should be noted, if you're not one of the 32 teams, you don't pay anything.
Yes, you're right about that, I should have been more clear in my meaning. It's an Auction, so by Chance, I meant as a minimum chance per:
- A minimum of 20 PLEX is required to bid
Which means, good luck in getting a slot for just 20 PLEX. eëÆWhomever said, "You only get one shot to make a good impression," was utterly wrong. I've made plenty of great impressions with my AutocannonseëÆ eÉà |
Atha'mano
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.10.03 09:21:00 -
[236] - Quote
Edited for effect...
CCP Bro wrote:Remember when you guys said "Why don't we drive up the price of PLEX to have more tournaments in EVE?"
No. No, I don't. |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
920
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Posted - 2012.10.03 11:23:00 -
[237] - Quote
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jester brings up a relevant point: "How many Americans did CCP Bro effectively disenfranchise from the New Eden Open Tournament by scheduling it to straddle the U.S. Thanksgiving weekend? " Jester Post Fact: CCP isn't located in USA so they dont have no "Thanksgiving weekend"
Least constructive post of the thread.
FACT: CCP does have a few offices in the US of A, buddy-boy.
Bettter to make sure of the facts before typing words. |
Tzuko1
FREE GATES HUN Reloaded
0
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:14:00 -
[238] - Quote
Would you like to know more ?
Contact us ingame: R.A.T.T. channel |
Kharmha
Sttarrlighte Industries
5
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Posted - 2012.10.03 21:28:00 -
[239] - Quote
Seeing as CCP 'claims' they want a larger group of players to participate, why not start out with 1 vrs 1 matches? You could have a near unlimited number of participants, perhaps fielding a smaller fee (say 100 mil isk each person), who would have to fight in singles matches. Loose a match, you loose points on your scorecard, win matches you win points on your scorecard. At some point the highest % of the participants move on to 2 vrs 2 matches, again winning and looseing points based on how good you do. Again the top % is taken to move on and participate in 4 vrs 4 matches. Then 8 vrs 8 matches. At some point, no matter how many players first sign up for the tourny, you will get the best players left and then teams can be formed up for 16 vrs 16 matches, or even more per side.
Now THAT would be an interesting toury to watch, and yes even participate in.
Also note, done this way it would be near imposible for all members of one alliance or corporation to end up on the same team at the end. |
Cordo Draken
ABOS Industrial Enterprises
17
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Posted - 2012.10.03 23:40:00 -
[240] - Quote
Kharmha wrote:Seeing as CCP 'claims' they want a larger group of players to participate, why not start out with 1 vrs 1 matches? You could have a near unlimited number of participants, perhaps fielding a smaller fee (say 100 mil isk each person), who would have to fight in singles matches. Loose a match, you loose points on your scorecard, win matches you win points on your scorecard. At some point the highest % of the participants move on to 2 vrs 2 matches, again winning and looseing points based on how good you do. Again the top % is taken to move on and participate in 4 vrs 4 matches. Then 8 vrs 8 matches. At some point, no matter how many players first sign up for the tourny, you will get the best players left and then teams can be formed up for 16 vrs 16 matches, or even more per side.
Now THAT would be an interesting toury to watch, and yes even participate in.
Also note, done this way it would be near imposible for all members of one alliance or corporation to end up on the same team at the end.
That would be the best way for sure! I'd Sign that petition. The only downsides would be that it would take a long time frame, require a lot of organization and as always a stuggle for a common timeframe to fight with many timezones... But, if there was a solid Will to do it, it can be done. It would be the most Epic Tournament though.
I have to say though, the Rules for this 3DTV event looks to make it not only fair but will create very interesting fights with many different styles. For the Tactical thought behind each fight is why I'd want in on this alone. eëÆWhomever said, "You only get one shot to make a good impression," was utterly wrong. I've made plenty of great impressions with my AutocannonseëÆ eÉà |
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Kharmha
Sttarrlighte Industries
6
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Posted - 2012.10.04 01:03:00 -
[241] - Quote
Cordo Draken wrote:Kharmha wrote:Seeing as CCP 'claims' they want a larger group of players to participate, why not start out with 1 vrs 1 matches? You could have a near unlimited number of participants, perhaps fielding a smaller fee (say 100 mil isk each person), who would have to fight in singles matches. Loose a match, you loose points on your scorecard, win matches you win points on your scorecard. At some point the highest % of the participants move on to 2 vrs 2 matches, again winning and looseing points based on how good you do. Again the top % is taken to move on and participate in 4 vrs 4 matches. Then 8 vrs 8 matches. At some point, no matter how many players first sign up for the tourny, you will get the best players left and then teams can be formed up for 16 vrs 16 matches, or even more per side.
Now THAT would be an interesting tourny to watch, and yes even participate in.
Also note, done this way it would be near imposible for all members of one alliance or corporation to end up on the same team at the end. That would be the best way for sure! I'd Sign that petition. The only downsides would be that it would take a long time frame, require a lot of organization and as always a stuggle for a common timeframe to fight with many timezones... But, if there was a solid Will to do it, it can be done. It would be the most Epic Tournament though. I have to say though, the Rules for this 3DTV event looks to make it not only fair but will create very interesting fights with many different styles. For the Tactical thought behind each fight is why I'd want in on this alone.
Easy solution for the 1 vrs 1 matches, 2 vrs 2 matches and maybe even the 4 vrs 4 matches....Eve Radio. They already host Frigate fight clubs and free for all matches, maybe some dj's would be willing to host some starter matches for the 1 vrs 1's? Any Dj's who would be interested/willing? P.S. If 1 vrs 1 fights where put on the list and start that way, i state right her now that i would sponcer and pay for any member of my corporation wishing to participate.
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Psycros
Pod Jockey's International Corp
1
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Posted - 2012.10.04 03:38:00 -
[242] - Quote
Teen-friendly names? No multi-account exploits? If only CCP maintained the same standards for EVE every day as it does for this contest. Hey, I got a cool idea: instead of throwing away a pile of cash on a stupid contest, pay your programmers and designers some overtime to fix bugs, balance the game and maybe even provide some new content. Now THAT would be something newsworthy. |
Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
98
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Posted - 2012.10.04 12:41:00 -
[243] - Quote
Psycros wrote:Teen-friendly names? No multi-account exploits? If only CCP maintained the same standards for EVE every day as it does for this contest. Hey, I got a cool idea: instead of throwing away a pile of cash on a stupid contest, pay your programmers and designers some overtime to fix bugs, balance the game and maybe even provide some new content. Now THAT would be something newsworthy.
If you read the dev blog, it states own3d TV is providing the cash prize, not CCP |
Andre Coeurl
TOHA Heavy Industries TOHA Conglomerate
3
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Posted - 2012.10.04 14:44:00 -
[244] - Quote
Aside from the discrepancy between saying CCP wants to have a wider and diverse playerbase for this tourny (the entry bidding will cut out any and all small entities, if for no other reason than the want for visibility of large or rich alliances) the actual combat format is crazy enough to allow for some fun watching.
The point system accomodates for even fewer or smaller ships than AT, with all the possible craziness this will mean, and the chance that 4 different ships will be banned less than an hour before the match starts ensures a level of randomness so unpredicatable and so utterly unrealistic that only the most organized and dedicated teams will be in a position to accomodate properly to some bans, while others will be simply untouched. Luck will be such a huge factor in this that it would probably make more sense to play russian roulette. Obviously there's some way to predict how that ban rule will be used and plan some counters but overall this makes a tourneament look more like a gladiatorial game where the Imperator throws some dice to decide if some fighters will be able to fight with weapons or not...
The metagaming some of said alliances practice everyday will also come into this for sure, so i expect some more perverse fun in this. Many people worth his salt will pay good cash to participate in this tourny for media coverage and political stunts though, but IMHO no sane small entity will think about getting into this kind of senseless carnage. |
MKB Industries
Mercenaries 4 Hire
13
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Posted - 2012.10.05 03:19:00 -
[245] - Quote
so atleast $9,600 will come from the teams in the form of plex seeing it will be atleast 20 per team and I am counting them at $15 a pop. So own3d.tv only donatd $400? Or is CCP going to give out the plex to the winner? I sure hope 10k was not donated and CCP is making players put in 9,600 is so CCP would be the real profit maker here.
I mean if it ends up being 30 plex for team thats over $14,000 in entry fees and only $10k paid out :(
I think I will just goto Jita and double my isk in local. Researched BPO store |
Admiral Goberius
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
4
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Posted - 2012.10.05 22:16:00 -
[246] - Quote
hey guys the test server (buckingham) isnt seeded for half the faction stuff can you fix that please ? :\ |
Cys Root
The Oasis Group TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
27
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Posted - 2012.10.07 15:21:00 -
[247] - Quote
So a 3rd party company decides to thank the EVE community and offers a 10,000 USD tournament prize, given freely.
CCP opts to milk this for all its worth, and plans to actually MAKE money from this.
It's a win-win for CCP, they get to sink several hundred PLEXes and another company gets to pay for it. |
Kumq uat
Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
103
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Posted - 2012.10.07 22:14:00 -
[248] - Quote
I am still wanting to know if we will have a specialty server not just for practice but also for playing the matches themselves. The best of 5 final alone is a wallet breaker and we are already shilling out a ton of plex for this thing. There is also the fact that with the bans it will require teams to have multiple setups and fittings online and ready to go right then. It is definately a concern. |
lycka cool
Black Lance Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2012.10.08 05:45:00 -
[249] - Quote
Being as there are some really great pvp pilots that can't fork up 20 plex, to keep it fair, I'd say all teams submit an entry and it is drawn at random live (like a mix between the lottery and a cast list for a play). This:
1. makes the prize more valuable since you have no RL $$ equivelant to enter 2. adds hype by adding tension and anticipation for the drawing 3. allows the little guys a chance.
I know youve already decided the entry in your CCP glory, but just throwing this out there. |
Servant's Lord
Nitsujsoft Enterprises Test Friends Please Ignore
13
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Posted - 2012.10.08 11:58:00 -
[250] - Quote
Considering selling a single Cambion would bankroll your entire entry fee and then some, I don't see why anyone would need to invest in you.
I also know for a definite fact you have outstanding offers on cambions (mine being one of them). If you were actually concerned with raising isk, you'd simply contact those of us interested in buying your cambions(and not at loltastic prices) and fund yourself quite easily.
-Lords
EDIT-Not to insult, but this just comes off as a scam or "meh we just want more isk because we shouldn't have to spend any of ours" |
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Kusum Fawn
State War Academy Caldari State
214
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Posted - 2012.10.08 13:38:00 -
[251] - Quote
Is there anything that you cant totally **** up? Its not possible to please all the people all the time, but it sure as hell is possible to Displease all the people, most of the time.
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SwissChris1
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
9
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Posted - 2012.10.10 12:27:00 -
[252] - Quote
Admiral Goberius wrote:hey guys the test server (buckingham) isnt seeded for half the faction stuff can you fix that please ? :\
Devblog wrote:Faction, COSMOS, deadspace and officer modules are NOT allowed. |
Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
948
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Posted - 2012.10.11 02:32:00 -
[253] - Quote
He's talking about faction ships and ammo, which are rather pivotal~ ~ |
Admiral Goberius
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
4
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Posted - 2012.10.11 16:29:00 -
[254] - Quote
ohhh rote-chan |
Karl Planck
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
288
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Posted - 2012.10.12 16:51:00 -
[255] - Quote
I have to say I am saddened that there isn't more interest in this. No matter what though, the plex price and the reward are completely out of whack on this. I mean, an 8 man team, winning first prize, would get 750 a person. This is a nice bonus for sure, but this is as good as it gets, assuming you didn't invest real money to get plex. In a more realistic 15 man team each player gets 400 bucks for first place, 200 for second and 67 for third...
I just hope more people will be competing than I think there will be. Low-sec Best-sec |
Ivanrus
SOE Cartel Wormhole Holders
183
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Posted - 2012.10.15 18:15:00 -
[256] - Quote
CCP Guard wrote:If you're really good at EVE and if you like money, you'll want to read CCP Bro's new exciting dev blog! For the first time ever you can (legally) earn modern day Earth currency for blowing up spaceships...so go read the blog and tell us what you think!
Hi!
I am the captain of the applicants on the position of one of the teams for this championship. Could you add faction ships and ammo to the test server, please? We need it for best trening.
Can I contact anybody from CCP team via ingame/standard e-mail or via skype to ask few questions about this championship? |
Salpun
Paramount Commerce
393
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Posted - 2012.10.15 18:20:00 -
[257] - Quote
Most of that stuff got seeded to day.
When the server comes back up post in here or in the Buckingham teset server thread about what you still need.
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Laquis Venault
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2012.10.16 11:43:00 -
[258] - Quote
Apologies if I missed an answer to this earlier in the thread, but what are the potential legal ramification of match fixing in this tournament, now that real money is involved? Meta-gaming is the bread and butter of our Eve-elite, and previous tourneys showed some very clever tricks that (I believe) land people in jail once the $$$ starts changing hands. |
varikina
Maximum-Overload
0
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Posted - 2012.10.16 12:37:00 -
[259] - Quote
buon TA a tutti gli ITALIANI che sono stati sempre protagonisti anche sotto falso nome!! |
William Andersen
Andersen and Phelps Inc
0
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Posted - 2012.10.31 18:37:00 -
[260] - Quote
I loved Tournament X. My first viewing of an Eve tournament. Just curious, what made you stick with Own3D after all the silly problems they had last time?
I have to admit, they almost ruined the tournament for me, but maybe it wasn't them, I never heard anything on the matter afterwards.
Either way, I love the tournament, hopefully they've upgraded and shored up the system so we won't have any problems this time.
However, if we do have problems, maybe we should go ahead and have a small squad of people to kill "spoilers" if the match doesn't broadcast correctly, so that when we watch it later we don't already know what's going to happen because the announcers screwed up and told us prematurely. |
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
1039
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Posted - 2012.11.06 14:51:00 -
[261] - Quote
CCP Sreegs wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:Salpun wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:Salpun wrote:Its $6000 for the winning team so its worse then you have been saying lol Right, top prize is $6,000. Got the big $10k in my head. Went back and fixed it, thank you. $10,000 is split 3 ways among the first 3 teams. That is before taxes. Read the devblog . I did. Just a slip. It only works the argument in my favor. All this amounts to is paying 30B ISK to "have fun" - the real money value is insignificant. And that means the only people that have expendable money to burn are the null sec alliances. And the only people that will get "Sponsored" by anyone with money are going to be A-Teams that already have an ATX track record. As someone pointed out, on the ATX Auction, they could barely even sell the last slot. So what makes you think you can do the same thing here? Sorry, CCP has totally overestimated the amount of Free ISK moving around that would go towards a project like this. You are going to have a hard time filling 32 slots totaling a minimum of 480 Billion ISK, when there were BIGGER prizes, More ISK, more reputation and better rewards for ATX. I guess we'll find out who's right when we open the bidding. You can go ahead and preserve this post for further discussion at that time based on fact rather than rampant and silly speculation.
Preserved.
And noted.
With half the cost at 10 PLEX, you still didn't fill more than 25 Slots.
I wouldn't have even predicted it was going to be that bad. And, I think the main reason is because you generated so much negative buzz for 20PLEX entry, that other teams weren't even paying attention at the 10 PLEX reduction. Where I am. |
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