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CCP Bro
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C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.01 11:37:00 -
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Mawderator wrote:CCP Bro wrote:Cat Casidy wrote:What makes you think people are going to want watch not just a and b teams fighting each other (at9), but abcd teams fighting each other? We paid close to 32 bill in the auction for ATX when only one team per alliance was allowed. With these rules there's no limit to "teams" per alliance.
"Every tournament we have run in the past has focused on Alliances and has, for better or worse, excluded a vast portion of EVE players who are members of player and NPC corporation"
...so how do those rules accomplish getting those people who were excluded in the past involved? if anythig they seem to make it even more exclusionary. Collusion in the tournament is not allowed, simply put if you throw a match or attempt to game the tournament you will be disqualified. Players are free to scrim and practice against other teams as much as they want as long as they play every match in the tournament with the intent to win. I think our position on colluding is clear after the events of AT9. So despite you endorsing metagaming, you actually expect people to play nice when real life cash is on the line?
I fail to see how these two situations are comparable. One is a corporation theft and the other is throwing a match in a tournament with specific rules. Also, the same rules against collusion were in effect for ATX and there was no real life cash on the line there. It's not about the prize in any way, it is about hosting an entertaining event. |
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Molinator Agnon
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Posted - 2012.10.01 11:42:00 -
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I'm very glad this tournament is happening.
The prize pool did not surprise me - this is a first step, after all.
From an eSports perspective, 45 minutes is way too long for brooding about your opponent's ban picks. If you're really meta gaming the right way you'll know what ships certain teams commonly use - and you'll know how to defend against a ban on a commonly used ship with a new setup.
15 minutes would allow the bans for the match on deck to take place just before the current match is aired, which would allow viewers to tune into the meta game without having to keep a score sheet and sit around for 3+ matches to take place to see the results of their predictions.
That gripe aside, I'll be tuning into this for sure. I enjoyed watching ATX and I hope to see more of these in the future. |
Admiral Goberius
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
4
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Posted - 2012.10.01 11:47:00 -
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Molinator Agnon wrote:I'm very glad this tournament is happening.
The prize pool did not surprise me - this is a first step, after all.
From an eSports perspective, 45 minutes is way too long for brooding about your opponent's ban picks. If you're really meta gaming the right way you'll know what ships certain teams commonly use - and you'll know how to defend against a ban on a commonly used ship with a new setup.
15 minutes would allow the bans for the match on deck to take place just before the current match is aired, which would allow viewers to tune into the meta game without having to keep a score sheet and sit around for 3+ matches to take place to see the results of their predictions.
That gripe aside, I'll be tuning into this for sure. I enjoyed watching ATX and I hope to see more of these in the future.
it takes more than 15 minutes to just hand out the prefitted ships, ammo, implants to everyone and double check that everything is fine |
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CCP Bro
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.01 13:40:00 -
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Molinator Agnon wrote:I'm very glad this tournament is happening.
The prize pool did not surprise me - this is a first step, after all.
From an eSports perspective, 45 minutes is way too long for brooding about your opponent's ban picks. If you're really meta gaming the right way you'll know what ships certain teams commonly use - and you'll know how to defend against a ban on a commonly used ship with a new setup.
15 minutes would allow the bans for the match on deck to take place just before the current match is aired, which would allow viewers to tune into the meta game without having to keep a score sheet and sit around for 3+ matches to take place to see the results of their predictions.
That gripe aside, I'll be tuning into this for sure. I enjoyed watching ATX and I hope to see more of these in the future.
Admiral Goberius wrote:it takes more than 15 minutes to just hand out the prefitted ships, ammo, implants to everyone and double check that everything is fine
Exactly Admiral, that is why we opted to have the bans 45 minutes before to give teams adequate time to adapt to the banned ships. As for your comment Molinator, we will show the bans and discuss them just before we go into the match. This should hopefully take away any need for a score card to keep track of what ships are being banned for each match. |
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sonny2dap
Wakoponeta Zippytie Co.
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Posted - 2012.10.01 15:39:00 -
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I gotta say I Like the idea and i'll tune in, I've also gotta say I am 100% on board with the entry requirements at this stage, yes this does limit the participants to primarily null alliances/rich but for the time being it is the only way to ensure some level of ability within the participants. as has been pointed out if your well known enough/can demonstrate your skill there's no reason a group of players cant organise a team and come up with the minimum required, I think some of the examples given in this thread of metagaming to the extreme are exactly that, and anything that extreme is likely obvious and CCP can step in if they feel the need.
Now I have to admit I would like to see a competitive arena within the main game ( I am aware of resistance to this idea)
but a league system/qualification system supported by an entry fee would certainly add to the game imo. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods
Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
1748
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Posted - 2012.10.01 16:09:00 -
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I am not sure I am interested in a tournament for only $10...now if you want to make that $10,000...then we got something.
(Thread title is wrong.)
EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! |
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CCP Bro
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.01 17:28:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I am not sure I am interested in a tournament for only $10...now if you want to make that $10,000...then we got something.
(Thread title is wrong.)
Or is it? |
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Kharmha
Sttarrlighte Industries
5
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Posted - 2012.10.01 17:32:00 -
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Dierdra Vaal wrote:Warde Guildencrantz wrote:why is it always big alliances that can only get into these and not people who do small gang PvP that don't have huge corps/alliances and 10bil isk lying around to enter the auction Technically it's now just limited to people who have 20+ plex laying around - alliance or not.
Yes, this is true, but dont forget about the auction to get your team into the tourny.
It is 'starting out' as 20 plex's, but if 32 teams bid more then 20 plex each, your team bidding 20 plex is out.
I honestly see this as another allince tourny, just it wont be called that.
Who wants to wager that most if not all teams are each from 1 corp/alliance and its basicly another alliance tourny?
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CCP Bro
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.01 17:56:00 -
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Duncan Tanner wrote:I think two years ago there was a comment that Eve Tournaments were something that CCP no longer really budgeted for because they were costly and did not provide a measurable return. Has that changed at all?
In order to create a truly competitive e-sport out of Eve you need to make the competition that happens in the tournament a way that you can play the game normally. This is the case in every other e-sport. As it is now, because of how much effort it is, only very dedicated groups go out of their way to recreate the environment of the competition for practice. More and more people are doing this but it is still a lot of effort. Some people have suggested that Eve needs some sort of arenas. Do you have any thoughts on this?
"Players who are suspected of joining multiple teams to disrupt the tournament or auction process may be subject to administrative penalties including loss of access to their accounts."
This sounds like accounts are being banned from Eve not the tournament. If this is true, banning accounts from Eve based on suspicion alone is pretty drastic. What will be done to prevent someone suspected but not guilty from getting their accounts banned? Will there be some communication between CCP and the player before action is taken?
Thanks.
Regarding the first part of your post, it is true that practicing and doing tournaments at this time is a hassle in EVE and if this becomes a more regular thing we will of course look to provide players with the tools necessary to practice more efficiently. How and if that will be done is uncertain at this point.
Regarding the second part of the post, we will of course thoroughly investigate any infringements of the rules and only act if we have evidence that we deem conclusive. I honestly hope that people can respect the rules and put on a good show while striving towards winning the tournament with their piloting skills. After all, you want to be able to call yourself "The best team in EVE" and not "The team that tried to cheat". |
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
682
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Posted - 2012.10.01 18:15:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:I am not sure I am interested in a tournament for only $10...now if you want to make that $10,000...then we got something.
(Thread title is wrong.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decimal_mark
Got to love varying standards
FuzzWork Enterprises
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
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Posted - 2012.10.01 19:21:00 -
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An arena, pure, unadulterated win! |
Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch
DarkSide.
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Posted - 2012.10.01 22:20:00 -
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Faffywaffy wrote:The ship values need a little more tweaking, IMO Perhaps something like this:
- Frigates have been buffed and shouid be 3 points. 2 point merlins are too cheap.
- In light of the AF buff, bombers have become weaker and should be downgraded to 5 points.
- Assault frigates themselves should maybe cost 5 points. Not sure on this one.
- Even at 12 points, I don't think you'll be seeing HICs (lol-broadswords aside). 11, or even 10 points maybe.
- Marauders are stronger than regular battleships, and should cost slightly more - 18 points.
Also, navy battleships are weaker than pirate ones and should cost a point less - 19 points. |
Aotearorian
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.10.02 00:49:00 -
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One think is not stipulated clearly.
If players enter multiply characters on team, would it cause his to resive his share of winning multiply times or just one share per player, not character. |
azurisk
Lockheed Nighthawk
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Posted - 2012.10.02 09:40:00 -
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I bet this is going to make a nice amount of money for ccp. I suggest you adjust the prizes to be won to the amount of PLEX you get for auctioning off the tournament spots. Considering an easy 40 PLEX per spot, 32 * 40 * 20 is about 25,000 dollar.
Fellow capsuleers have no illusions, this is not organized for us. Just a new way to make some easy money for CCP.
I for one am disgusted by this idea. Another elite tournament only accessible to the big alliances.  |
Sedilis
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2012.10.02 10:40:00 -
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Great to see more official esports from CCP. And that its open to groups of players not just alliances.
@ all those QQing over the entry fee:
Clearly it should be free so you can waste everyone's time by entering your terrible team just like you do with your terrible posting :P |
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CCP Bro
C C P
C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.10.02 12:55:00 -
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Aotearorian wrote:One think is not stipulated clearly.
If players enter multiply characters on team, would it cause his to resive his share of winning multiply times or just one share per player, not character.
The prizes are divided between players, not characters. |
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
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Posted - 2012.10.02 14:43:00 -
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Jester brings up a relevant point:
"How many Americans did CCP Bro effectively disenfranchise from the New Eden Open Tournament by scheduling it to straddle the U.S. Thanksgiving weekend? "
Jester Post |
Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2012.10.02 14:50:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jester brings up a relevant point: "How many Americans did CCP Bro effectively disenfranchise from the New Eden Open Tournament by scheduling it to straddle the U.S. Thanksgiving weekend? " Jester Post
God forbid they have to stop eating for a moment to participate in eve warfare |
Reticle
Sight Picture
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Posted - 2012.10.02 15:36:00 -
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Anyone over there know how to use a World Holiday Calendar? |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate
780
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Posted - 2012.10.02 16:18:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jester brings up a relevant point: "How many Americans did CCP Bro effectively disenfranchise from the New Eden Open Tournament by scheduling it to straddle the U.S. Thanksgiving weekend? " Jester Post
Fact:
CCP isn't located in USA so they dont have no "Thanksgiving weekend"
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
334
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Posted - 2012.10.02 20:31:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jester brings up a relevant point: "How many Americans did CCP Bro effectively disenfranchise from the New Eden Open Tournament by scheduling it to straddle the U.S. Thanksgiving weekend? " Jester Post Fact: CCP isn't located in USA so they dont have no "Thanksgiving weekend" CCP's Atlanta, GA USA office based employees might disagree.
Thanksgiving in the U.S.A is the highest travel-based holiday in the year (November 21 - 25, 2012) for a relatively young demographic, so yeah, this has the potential to impact a ton of U.S. EVE subscribers.
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I have never shed a tear for a fellow EVE player until now.
Mark GÇ£SeleeneGÇ¥ Heard's Blog Honoring Sean "Vile Rat" Smith. |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
334
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Posted - 2012.10.02 20:40:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:*snip*
1 plex= 15 USD/EUR
20 PLEX = 20 x 15= 300 USD/EUR
32 teams x 20 plexes each= 9,600 USD/EUR
It almost pays itself back and will buy way more media & public exposure than spend 10,000 $ in advertising.
Cunning dudes. $9600 Assuming that the auction bids go no higher than the price of entry. I'm counting the posts until a CCP employee or surrogate 'cries poor' and bemoans the incredible financial burden this tournament will place on their organization. 3 posts later... Pipa Porto wrote:You're missing the substantial production costs.  The AT cost CCP money to put on after taking into account the fact that most of the staff volunteered time for it and the PLEX they took in in application fees. This is probably going to cost them as much or more (who knows how willing the staff will be to volunteer now that it's clearly and e-sports promotion). Even considering the fact that CCP isn't producing the $10k prize pool. I'm no Icelandic tax expert, but if these expenses are written off under the marketing category, CCP might have very little-to-no cash outlay in the end.
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I have never shed a tear for a fellow EVE player until now.
Mark GÇ£SeleeneGÇ¥ Heard's Blog Honoring Sean "Vile Rat" Smith. |
Cordo Draken
ABOS Industrial Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.10.02 23:04:00 -
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I love it, Tournament is open to everyone, you just need to have Alliance style ISK making potential to Enter... Or just happen to have 20 plex lying around among friends/corpmates, for just a Chance to get picked. If this Tourny is getting funded by someone else, why such a high entry fee. Hmmm, 20 plex x $15 (US) x 32 teams = $9,600 ... Coincidence? Com'on CCP, I understand you wanting Veteran Pilots in this, but make this truly open for those without such a Grand ISK Roll too!
Otherwise, I'd Love to Participate and this is a great Idea! 
eëÆWhomever said, "You only get one shot to make a good impression," was utterly wrong. I've made plenty of great impressions with my AutocannonseëÆ eÉà |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
686
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Posted - 2012.10.02 23:18:00 -
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Cordo Draken wrote:I love it, Tournament is open to everyone, you just need to have Alliance style ISK making potential to Enter... Or just happen to have 20 plex lying around among friends/corpmates, for just a Chance to get picked. If this Tourny is getting funded by someone else, why such a high entry fee. Hmmm, 20 plex x $15 (US) x 32 teams = $9,600 ... Coincidence? Com'on CCP, I understand you wanting Veteran Pilots in this, but make this truly open for those without such a Grand ISK Roll too! Otherwise, I'd Love to Participate and this is a great Idea!
It should be noted, if you're not one of the 32 teams, you don't pay anything.
FuzzWork Enterprises
http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/
Blueprint calculator, invention chance calculator, isk/m3 Ore chart-á and other 'useful' utilities. |
Cordo Draken
ABOS Industrial Enterprises
17
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Posted - 2012.10.02 23:30:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Cordo Draken wrote:I love it, Tournament is open to everyone, you just need to have Alliance style ISK making potential to Enter... Or just happen to have 20 plex lying around among friends/corpmates, for just a Chance to get picked. If this Tourny is getting funded by someone else, why such a high entry fee. Hmmm, 20 plex x $15 (US) x 32 teams = $9,600 ... Coincidence? Com'on CCP, I understand you wanting Veteran Pilots in this, but make this truly open for those without such a Grand ISK Roll too! Otherwise, I'd Love to Participate and this is a great Idea! It should be noted, if you're not one of the 32 teams, you don't pay anything.
Yes, you're right about that, I should have been more clear in my meaning. It's an Auction, so by Chance, I meant as a minimum chance per:
- A minimum of 20 PLEX is required to bid
Which means, good luck in getting a slot for just 20 PLEX.
eëÆWhomever said, "You only get one shot to make a good impression," was utterly wrong. I've made plenty of great impressions with my AutocannonseëÆ eÉà |
Atha'mano
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.10.03 09:21:00 -
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Edited for effect...
CCP Bro wrote:Remember when you guys said "Why don't we drive up the price of PLEX to have more tournaments in EVE?"
No. No, I don't.  |
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
920
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Posted - 2012.10.03 11:23:00 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jester brings up a relevant point: "How many Americans did CCP Bro effectively disenfranchise from the New Eden Open Tournament by scheduling it to straddle the U.S. Thanksgiving weekend? " Jester Post Fact: CCP isn't located in USA so they dont have no "Thanksgiving weekend"
Least constructive post of the thread.
FACT: CCP does have a few offices in the US of A, buddy-boy.
Bettter to make sure of the facts before typing words. |
Tzuko1
FREE GATES
HUN Reloaded
0
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Posted - 2012.10.03 20:14:00 -
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Would you like to know more ?
Contact us ingame:
R.A.T.T. channel |
Kharmha
Sttarrlighte Industries
5
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Posted - 2012.10.03 21:28:00 -
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Seeing as CCP 'claims' they want a larger group of players to participate, why not start out with 1 vrs 1 matches?
You could have a near unlimited number of participants, perhaps fielding a smaller fee (say 100 mil isk each person), who would have to fight in singles matches. Loose a match, you loose points on your scorecard, win matches you win points on your scorecard. At some point the highest % of the participants move on to 2 vrs 2 matches, again winning and looseing points based on how good you do. Again the top % is taken to move on and participate in 4 vrs 4 matches. Then 8 vrs 8 matches.
At some point, no matter how many players first sign up for the tourny, you will get the best players left and then teams can be formed up for 16 vrs 16 matches, or even more per side.
Now THAT would be an interesting toury to watch, and yes even participate in.
Also note, done this way it would be near imposible for all members of one alliance or corporation to end up on the same team at the end. |
Cordo Draken
ABOS Industrial Enterprises
17
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Posted - 2012.10.03 23:40:00 -
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Kharmha wrote:Seeing as CCP 'claims' they want a larger group of players to participate, why not start out with 1 vrs 1 matches?
You could have a near unlimited number of participants, perhaps fielding a smaller fee (say 100 mil isk each person), who would have to fight in singles matches. Loose a match, you loose points on your scorecard, win matches you win points on your scorecard. At some point the highest % of the participants move on to 2 vrs 2 matches, again winning and looseing points based on how good you do. Again the top % is taken to move on and participate in 4 vrs 4 matches. Then 8 vrs 8 matches.
At some point, no matter how many players first sign up for the tourny, you will get the best players left and then teams can be formed up for 16 vrs 16 matches, or even more per side.
Now THAT would be an interesting toury to watch, and yes even participate in.
Also note, done this way it would be near imposible for all members of one alliance or corporation to end up on the same team at the end.
That would be the best way for sure! I'd Sign that petition. The only downsides would be that it would take a long time frame, require a lot of organization and as always a stuggle for a common timeframe to fight with many timezones... But, if there was a solid Will to do it, it can be done. It would be the most Epic Tournament though.
I have to say though, the Rules for this 3DTV event looks to make it not only fair but will create very interesting fights with many different styles. For the Tactical thought behind each fight is why I'd want in on this alone.
eëÆWhomever said, "You only get one shot to make a good impression," was utterly wrong. I've made plenty of great impressions with my AutocannonseëÆ eÉà |
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