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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
1724
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Posted - 2012.09.30 14:12:00 -
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Admiral Goberius wrote:So I have been looking closely at the rules post and the dev replies in this thread and cannot find any details about the whole B team deal.
I get that this is a character based tournament and alliance affiliation doesnt matter.
I see nothing in the rules against the same alliance or group fielding multiple teams as long as: 1. all the teams are made up of independent characters played by independent players 2. no collusion happens if these teams were to face each other on tourney day
HOWEVER
there is quite a big precedent for good players and bad posters getting banned for touching dicks on sisi so could you clarify whether there is *any* restriction to the same alliance fielding multiple teams as long as they do not collude?
Since this tournament is based on teams not alliances the concept of alliance B teams doesn't really apply. We expect that for the first couple times many teams will be from specific alliances but hopefully teams will start developing identities of their own eventually.
There is no restriction against an alliance, corp or any other benefactor sponsoring multiple teams as long as those teams are distinct and are working for their own victory.
As in all previous eve tournaments, the tournament team completely reserves the right to do whatever is needed to ensure that the matches are competitive. Game Designer | Team Game of Drones https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Admiral Goberius
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
4
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Posted - 2012.09.30 14:39:00 -
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rgr thanks for the answer
the next obvious question:
Is there any rules against sparring on the test server as long as the sparring teams compete as independent entities and avoid all collusion on tourney day?
Quote:There is no restriction against an alliance, corp or any other benefactor sponsoring multiple teams as long as those teams are distinct and are working for their own victory.
I am asking because "working for their own victory" could be interpreted as a statement against sparring; is this the case? |
Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
899
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Posted - 2012.09.30 14:42:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote: Since this tournament is based on teams not alliances the concept of alliance B teams doesn't really apply. We expect that for the first couple times many teams will be from specific alliances but hopefully teams will start developing identities of their own eventually. .
This is generally called a corporation in EVE, a guild in other MMOs, and so on, since that is the metric by which identity is formed.
Sure, the occassional lone wolf from the group is out there roaming... but this is a matter of identity...
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
1724
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Posted - 2012.09.30 15:00:00 -
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There are already alliances that were formed just for tournaments and that's fine. This team format also allows people from multiple alliances who like to work together in the tournament but who enjoy having distinct alliances in normal gameplay form one unified team. I'm going to be very interested in seeing the social structures that players continue to develop around these kinds of things.
If teams want to have exhibition matches against each other that's fine. However there's a difference between watching two teams spar against each other and watching one team with two names have internal practices. We know the difference. Game Designer | Team Game of Drones https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
62
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Posted - 2012.09.30 15:01:00 -
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CCP Navigator wrote:Aineko Macx wrote:Ship banning will cause lots of tears We are hoping for lots of variety
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Admiral Goberius
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
4
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Posted - 2012.09.30 15:27:00 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:If teams want to have exhibition matches against each other that's fine. However there's a difference between watching two teams spar against each other and watching one team with two names have internal practices. We know the difference.
Ok, in the case of this character based tournament the only way to have one team enter twice is if the same player competed in two different teams by account sharing right?
Two teams made of independent players from the same alliance/affiliation sparring against each other is allowed right?
I know you mostly already answered this and I apologize if I come across as pedantic but I just want to understand 100% what is cool and what isnt. Thanks again. |
Slaktoid
Aperture Harmonics K162
12
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Posted - 2012.09.30 15:28:00 -
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I'm gonna be cautiously optimistic this time, even though it sometimes feels like CCP are preaching sportsmanship and stroking the player with one hand, while slapping him with the other. This is a highly subjective opinion though, I may be somewhat biased by bittervet syndrome.
I'm concerned about how this will go down in mainstream gaming media though. I can certainly see some harmful headlines, especially from those who aren't fully aware of how the PLEX system works. Judging by the comments (or lack thereof) by the CSM, I assume they were sidelined and as surprised as the rest of us by this announcement. They may not be the best to consult on esports matters, but they have easy access to those of us who have been involved and have been following the esports scene for a long time.
A few words for Bro and Fozzie specifically (and the other who organize this). I hope there is a future for this. I would strongly urge you to limit participation to one character pr person. I want to see Kil2, Garmon, Prom (their actual names, not alts) and all these guys we already know from media productions, compete with eachother. It's the storylines we need to create for this thing to explode. Nobody would watch the UFC if Joe Blows were fighting Dim Sums every time. It's the Anderson Silvas and the Randy Cotoures who makes it interesting. It's the Brazillian Top Team vs Chute Box rivalries that engage us so deeply. We need our own Nadas and Boxers and Nesteas to emerge. We need our own Clan 9 vs Death Row, or fnatic vs SK Gaming rivalries to get the blood boiling and the stakes raised.
You need to focus on the Teams and the names, they need to create the brand. We need to be able to recognize and pick out those we know to be good pvp'ers, so we can cheer for them, worship or hate them. If we can't easily recognize who are fighting, we don't have a stake in the outcome of the fight, and the result won't matter. It won't draw us back another time. After this initial round, you need to look to preserve the "teambrands" or at least encourage them to "bring it" to the next tourney. This could be done by invites for example. Maybe the top 8 teams will be invited back to the next tournament, provided they keep roster changes limited and such.
I would also suggest to try to reach out to people who truely know what this is all about. The likes of Marcus "djWHEAT" Graham, Rod "Slasher" Breslau and so forth. They are contractbound by other companies to some extents, but that probably don't prevent anyone from reaching out informally. Talk to maybe MLG management. A lot of those guys are passionate about what they do, and I would imagine guys like Sundance DiGiovanni could give excellent advices about the most important things to look out for.
We can't just go ahead in the usual way of "This is Eve Online. We do it our own way, we don't care bla bla bla". We need to pay attention to mainstream gaming media coverage, stream numbers etc, because that is what will bring the external sponsors like Razer, MSI, TT and others. And those are the companies one would like to attract to an E-Sport.
Good Luck. And may the best team win! |
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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
1724
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Posted - 2012.09.30 15:40:00 -
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Admiral Goberius wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:If teams want to have exhibition matches against each other that's fine. However there's a difference between watching two teams spar against each other and watching one team with two names have internal practices. We know the difference. Ok, in the case of this character based tournament the only way to have one team enter twice is if the same player competed in two different teams by account sharing right? Two teams made of independent players from the same alliance/affiliation sparring against each other is allowed right? I know you mostly already answered this and I apologize if I come across as pedantic but I just want to understand 100% what is cool and what isnt. Thanks again.
A certain amount of vagueness in the rules is a necessary evil so that people won't think they can wiggle through the letter of the law, so sorry if we can't spell things out quite as cleanly as many people would like.
In the last Alliance Tournament there were two reasons for the "B team" rule:
1) To ensure that as many alliances as possible get a chance to compete 2) To ensure that each team will try to win when faced with any other team
Since we're team based for this one the first reason isn't valid. We don't care what alliance any members of any teams are from. Basically make sure it's clear that your team is distinct from other teams and is in this thing to win. That's what I mean by "one team with two names". If two teams have the same leadership and are working towards getting their "A team" through instead of for themselves it becomes fairly obvious. Game Designer | Team Game of Drones https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie |
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Admiral Goberius
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
4
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Posted - 2012.09.30 16:10:00 -
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Oki I think I see what you mean, thank you. Also good idea with the bans imho it makes for a lot of interesting strategy / meta. |
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
257
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Posted - 2012.09.30 16:50:00 -
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I think two years ago there was a comment that Eve Tournaments were something that CCP no longer really budgeted for because they were costly and did not provide a measurable return. Has that changed at all?
In order to create a truly competitive e-sport out of Eve you need to make the competition that happens in the tournament a way that you can play the game normally. This is the case in every other e-sport. As it is now, because of how much effort it is, only very dedicated groups go out of their way to recreate the environment of the competition for practice. More and more people are doing this but it is still a lot of effort. Some people have suggested that Eve needs some sort of arenas. Do you have any thoughts on this?
"Players who are suspected of joining multiple teams to disrupt the tournament or auction process may be subject to administrative penalties including loss of access to their accounts."
This sounds like accounts are being banned from Eve not the tournament. If this is true, banning accounts from Eve based on suspicion alone is pretty drastic. What will be done to prevent someone suspected but not guilty from getting their accounts banned? Will there be some communication between CCP and the player before action is taken?
Thanks. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1356717#post1356717 |
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Idris Helion
University of Caille Gallente Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.09.30 16:56:00 -
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I wonder if running some "regional" tournaments to qualify for entry into the big tournament might work as a mechanism to get the smaller corps and less-wealthy players into the matches.
Most sporting events work that way: you have qualifying matches at the local and regional level to qualify for the big tournament. It's an organizational hassle for CCP, I guess, but then again there's no reason that CCP itself has to coordinate all this: player councils could handle running the regional tourneys. Using this model, any level of team could get to the tourney if they won the local and regional matches.
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Salpun
Paramount Commerce Ascendance.
384
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Posted - 2012.09.30 17:14:00 -
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Which server will be seeded for tournament practice? |
Jhone Cahos
Force Unifiee
2
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Posted - 2012.09.30 18:01:00 -
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it will be nice to see the stream live into our desk officier on our big hd flat tv !!! |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1239
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Posted - 2012.09.30 19:33:00 -
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from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/09/cash-money-tournament-20-plex-too-much.html
FWEDDIT'S PERSPECTIVE
There has been some real interest from within Fweddit to join in on the fun this November in the Own3D.tv/EVE Online cash-money tournament. As much as a number of us would love to get in on the action, the twenty plex (minimum) entry fee is a real limiting factor.
Twenty months of playtime to get in on two, maybe three matches (if we're lucky), have a bit of fun, is a pretty steep price. We're neither a ship rich nor a skill rich group of players. But to show up, have some fun, get the word out on Fweddit and faction warfare, that would have made it worthwhile.
I'm not quite sure why twenty plex is CCP's magic number. How twenty plex somehow assures people take the tournament seriously, where ten plex assumes people won't? Ten plex and I'm sure fielding a Fweddit team would be a no-brainer. Twenty plex, and people are humming and hawing, and Magic Eight Ball says "Not likely" when asked if Fweddit will get together a team.
Fweddit is not a rich alliance. We don't have tech moons. And only 4B ISK in the alliance wallet, which goes to pay for all of our ship reimbursements for our newbros. It costs money to keep the Stanzielcat doctrine up and running. It costs money to keep our "shitting up local" methodologies at their highest level, one step ahead of the competition, we can't let slip our dominance in the cultural war for one moment.
On the one hand CCP states that they want to open up the tournament to more people, a wider variety of people, yet the twenty plex (minimum) fee seems to ensure that it is open to the exact same group of people that take part in the alliance tournament.
Twenty plex. Them's rich stakes.
And there may be EVE groups or EVE businesses that might be interested in sponsoring Fweddit. I would hope we would turn them down. By accepting charity, we send the wrong message to CCP. We roll over and accept their twenty plex minimum as acceptable. Caldari Militia |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
332
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Posted - 2012.09.30 19:44:00 -
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CCP Bro wrote:Every tournament we have run in the past has focused on Alliances and has, for better or worse, excluded a vast portion of EVE players who are members of player and NPC corporations.
and
CCP Bro wrote:A minimum of 20 PLEX is required to bid. This made me and at the same time. A $360 - 400 floor (20x PLEX) is an interesting way to open the bidding. Larger groups of non-alliance players should be able to come up with the scratch to submit teams.
But this bidding method still favors those with the mega-deep pockets and the egos to match, i.e., tech-fueled alliance space jockeys.
Alternatively, why not have a team lottery (transparently managed) with the same participation restrictions? This certainly would make team involvement more equitable.
If concerned about the sincerity of the teams vying for competition, then host preliminary tournaments to weed out those who are simply looking to troll the event and your company. +++++++ I have never shed a tear for a fellow EVE player until now. Mark GÇ£SeleeneGÇ¥ Heard's Blog Honoring Sean "Vile Rat" Smith. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
678
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Posted - 2012.09.30 19:45:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/09/cash-money-tournament-20-plex-too-much.htmlFWEDDIT'S PERSPECTIVEThere has been some real interest from within Fweddit to join in on the fun this November in the Own3D.tv/EVE Online cash-money tournament. As much as a number of us would love to get in on the action, the twenty plex (minimum) entry fee is a real limiting factor. Twenty months of playtime to get in on two, maybe three matches (if we're lucky), have a bit of fun, is a pretty steep price. We're neither a ship rich nor a skill rich group of players. But to show up, have some fun, get the word out on Fweddit and faction warfare, that would have made it worthwhile. I'm not quite sure why twenty plex is CCP's magic number. How twenty plex somehow assures people take the tournament seriously, where ten plex assumes people won't? Ten plex and I'm sure fielding a Fweddit team would be a no-brainer. Twenty plex, and people are humming and hawing, and Magic Eight Ball says "Not likely" when asked if Fweddit will get together a team. Fweddit is not a rich alliance. We don't have tech moons. And only 4B ISK in the alliance wallet, which goes to pay for all of our ship reimbursements for our newbros. It costs money to keep the Stanzielcat doctrine up and running. It costs money to keep our "shitting up local" methodologies at their highest level, one step ahead of the competition, we can't let slip our dominance in the cultural war for one moment. On the one hand CCP states that they want to open up the tournament to more people, a wider variety of people, yet the twenty plex (minimum) fee seems to ensure that it is open to the exact same group of people that take part in the alliance tournament. Twenty plex. Them's rich stakes. And there may be EVE groups or EVE businesses that might be interested in sponsoring Fweddit. I would hope we would turn them down. By accepting charity, we send the wrong message to CCP. We roll over and accept their twenty plex minimum as acceptable.
1 plex= 15 USD/EUR 20 PLEX = 20 x 15= 300 USD/EUR 32 teams x 20 plexes each= 9,600 USD/EUR
It almost pays itself back and will buy way more media & public exposure than spend 10,000 $ in advertising.
Cunning dudes. I play games for fun, evasion and reward.-áEVE is not fun, it sucks as much as reality and dismisses all my ways of playing it.
I think that I should unhook myself from that b*tch... Soon. |
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
332
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Posted - 2012.09.30 19:56:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:*snip*
1 plex= 15 USD/EUR 20 PLEX = 20 x 15= 300 USD/EUR 32 teams x 20 plexes each= 9,600 USD/EUR
It almost pays itself back and will buy way more media & public exposure than spend 10,000 $ in advertising.
Cunning dudes. $9600 Assuming that the auction bids go no higher than the price of entry.
I'm counting the posts until a CCP employee or surrogate 'cries poor' and bemoans the incredible financial burden this tournament will place on their organization.
+++++++ I have never shed a tear for a fellow EVE player until now. Mark GÇ£SeleeneGÇ¥ Heard's Blog Honoring Sean "Vile Rat" Smith. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
678
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Posted - 2012.09.30 20:08:00 -
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Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:*snip*
1 plex= 15 USD/EUR 20 PLEX = 20 x 15= 300 USD/EUR 32 teams x 20 plexes each= 9,600 USD/EUR
It almost pays itself back and will buy way more media & public exposure than spend 10,000 $ in advertising.
Cunning dudes. $9600 Assuming that the auction bids go no higher than the price of entry. I'm counting the posts until a CCP employee or surrogate 'cries poor' and bemoans the incredible financial burden this tournament will place on their organization.
The bids are the cherry that tops the cake. CCP could actually be earning money by advertising itself for free. I play games for fun, evasion and reward.-áEVE is not fun, it sucks as much as reality and dismisses all my ways of playing it.
I think that I should unhook myself from that b*tch... Soon. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
102
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Posted - 2012.10.01 00:37:00 -
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I really don't see what the big fuss is about CCP charging plex for entry like this.
Firstly this is the first ever tournament. If they find what is being charged etc isn't providing the correct results, it will change. It's all experimental (like the best college years) and therefore the best thing for everyone to do is just run with it and see what happens.
Secondly if CCP are trying to make this the "Premier League" of EVE (or the "Major Leagues" or whatever) PvP tournaments then it kind of makes sense to cost a lot to enter. EVE players has constantly proven to be more then capable of creating organisations and social structures where none exist. How long before someone figures out that if they get sponsored by say... Somer Blink for 8 Plex and they call their Team "The Somer Blink Giants" and agree to mention them in any posts/interviews etc that it's already reduced the rest of the Plex they need to raise? Not saying Somer Blink are interested in sponsoring anyone but you get the point.
Thirdly, you think anyone runs a tournament out of charity and good will? It's a sodding company! The Olympics is, on the face of it, run as a charity but even then there's a lot of money thrown in from Sponsors and then the host nation pays a hell of a lot of money to host it. |
Pipa Porto
1087
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Posted - 2012.10.01 00:39:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:1 plex= 15 USD/EUR 20 PLEX = 20 x 15= 300 USD/EUR 32 teams x 20 plexes each= 9,600 USD/EUR
It almost pays itself back and will buy way more media & public exposure than spend 10,000 $ in advertising.
Cunning dudes.
You're missing the substantial production costs. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
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Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1242
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Posted - 2012.10.01 00:44:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:The bids are the cherry that tops the cake. CCP could actually be earning money by advertising itself for free. They are advertising itself for free, aren't they? Isn't the cash-money prizes coming out of Own3D's pocket? (I may have missed a post that states otherwise.) Caldari Militia |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1242
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Posted - 2012.10.01 00:45:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:Firstly this is the first ever tournament. If they find what is being charged etc isn't providing the correct results, it will change. It's all experimental (like the best college years) and therefore the best thing for everyone to do is just run with it and see what happens. But why does CCP tend to err to high, rather than too low? (Monocles, anyone?)
Caldari Militia |
Samson Davis
Ouroboros Consortium
0
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Posted - 2012.10.01 01:02:00 -
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I am excited to watch this. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
102
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Posted - 2012.10.01 02:10:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:Firstly this is the first ever tournament. If they find what is being charged etc isn't providing the correct results, it will change. It's all experimental (like the best college years) and therefore the best thing for everyone to do is just run with it and see what happens. But why does CCP tend to err to high, rather than too low? (Monocles, anyone?)
Because that's what I'd do if I was running a business and I wasn't sure which price to go with (high or low) I'd pick high and then if no-one liked it move to low.
Why?
Because "We've halved the price" sounds better then "We've double the price" if you're wrong.
Plus though CCP wont admit this, I'm assuming this first one is basically a low risk experiment to see what works and what doesn't before they set up a variety of possibly lower barrier options. For example 1 on 1 or 2 on 2 tournaments. Fact is this is AT but with a few twists, AT works, it's popular and they know roughly what type of people will turn up.
If this works they can take a step further away from the AT format in one direction with this one, and go the opposite with another.
Personally I like the idea of having a Corporation that exists solely to scour the galaxy to make the best CT team they can possibly get, funded by sponsors to put together an all star team. |
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
678
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Posted - 2012.10.01 06:37:00 -
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Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:*snip*
1 plex= 15 USD/EUR 20 PLEX = 20 x 15= 300 USD/EUR 32 teams x 20 plexes each= 9,600 USD/EUR
It almost pays itself back and will buy way more media & public exposure than spend 10,000 $ in advertising.
Cunning dudes. $9600 Assuming that the auction bids go no higher than the price of entry. I'm counting the posts until a CCP employee or surrogate 'cries poor' and bemoans the incredible financial burden this tournament will place on their organization.
3 posts later...
Pipa Porto wrote:You're missing the substantial production costs.
I play games for fun, evasion and reward.-áEVE is not fun, it sucks as much as reality and dismisses all my ways of playing it.
I think that I should unhook myself from that b*tch... Soon. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
4939
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Posted - 2012.10.01 07:20:00 -
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Now that's an incentive to start pvp'ing... if one knew how haha
I look forward to watch and follow this!
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Pipa Porto
1097
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Posted - 2012.10.01 08:10:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:*snip*
1 plex= 15 USD/EUR 20 PLEX = 20 x 15= 300 USD/EUR 32 teams x 20 plexes each= 9,600 USD/EUR
It almost pays itself back and will buy way more media & public exposure than spend 10,000 $ in advertising.
Cunning dudes. $9600 Assuming that the auction bids go no higher than the price of entry. I'm counting the posts until a CCP employee or surrogate 'cries poor' and bemoans the incredible financial burden this tournament will place on their organization. 3 posts later... Pipa Porto wrote:You're missing the substantial production costs.
The AT cost CCP money to put on after taking into account the fact that most of the staff volunteered time for it and the PLEX they took in in application fees.
This is probably going to cost them as much or more (who knows how willing the staff will be to volunteer now that it's clearly and e-sports promotion). Even considering the fact that CCP isn't producing the $10k prize pool. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
64
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Posted - 2012.10.01 09:55:00 -
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CCP Bro wrote:Bloodpetal wrote:CCP Bro wrote: Already answered this earlier.
Yes there will be a studio
Yes there will be commentators but they will be from CCP
No there will not be player adverts for this tournament as we are trying to minimize the time between matches and give you an action packed event.
I promised I'd stop being a punk, so here's constructive feedback? Why don't you accept a PLEX for ads? I think some player organizations would be willing to put a PLEX to advertise on your program. That is a good idea and something that is definitely worth considering. One of the reasons why we are not doing player adverts this tournament is because we want to try limiting the amount of time between matches and maximizing the amount of spaceships blowing up. We will then of course look at your feedback for how that goes and factor that into future decisions. It is worth noting that this isn't an end all tournament or a grand finale. This is the first step on a hopefully long, entertaining and successful road. Also, the main purpose of this tournament is to engage you, the community, and bring you a full scale tournament production for your entertainment, whether you partake in the tournament or just opt to watch it. During ATX we received positive feedback and were asked multiple times, why don't you do more tournaments? We took that question to heart and are here to offer you, you guessed it, more tournaments. Any constructive criticism, pointers and observations are of course completely welcome and will help us better this service to you in the future.
What makes you think people are going to want watch not just a and b teams fighting each other (at9), but abcd teams fighting each other? We paid close to 32 bill in the auction for ATX when only one team per alliance was allowed. With these rules there's no limit to "teams" per alliance. "Every tournament we have run in the past has focused on Alliances and has, for better or worse, excluded a vast portion of EVE players who are members of player and NPC corporation"
...so how do those rules accomplish getting those people who were excluded in the past involved? if anythig they seem to make it even more exclusionary. SLAPD - Star Scientist, I science stars |
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CCP Bro
C C P C C P Alliance
22
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Posted - 2012.10.01 10:41:00 -
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Cat Casidy wrote:What makes you think people are going to want watch not just a and b teams fighting each other (at9), but abcd teams fighting each other? We paid close to 32 bill in the auction for ATX when only one team per alliance was allowed. With these rules there's no limit to "teams" per alliance. "Every tournament we have run in the past has focused on Alliances and has, for better or worse, excluded a vast portion of EVE players who are members of player and NPC corporation"
...so how do those rules accomplish getting those people who were excluded in the past involved? if anythig they seem to make it even more exclusionary. Collusion in the tournament is not allowed, simply put if you throw a match or attempt to game the tournament you will be disqualified. Players are free to scrim and practice against other teams as much as they want as long as they play every match in the tournament with the intent to win. I think our position on colluding is clear after the events of AT9. |
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Mawderator
Percussive Diplomacy PERCUSSIVE PIZZA TIME DIPLOMACY
8
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Posted - 2012.10.01 11:26:00 -
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CCP Bro wrote:Cat Casidy wrote:What makes you think people are going to want watch not just a and b teams fighting each other (at9), but abcd teams fighting each other? We paid close to 32 bill in the auction for ATX when only one team per alliance was allowed. With these rules there's no limit to "teams" per alliance. "Every tournament we have run in the past has focused on Alliances and has, for better or worse, excluded a vast portion of EVE players who are members of player and NPC corporation"
...so how do those rules accomplish getting those people who were excluded in the past involved? if anythig they seem to make it even more exclusionary. Collusion in the tournament is not allowed, simply put if you throw a match or attempt to game the tournament you will be disqualified. Players are free to scrim and practice against other teams as much as they want as long as they play every match in the tournament with the intent to win. I think our position on colluding is clear after the events of AT9.
So despite you endorsing metagaming, you actually expect people to play nice when real life cash is on the line? |
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