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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Kraken.
330
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Posted - 2012.09.30 13:56:00 -
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An honourable duel at the sun, at high noon!
e: this is the worst page topper i'm so sorry |

Raziel Malphaz
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.09.30 13:58:00 -
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Cede Forster wrote:Raziel Malphaz wrote:SmilingVagrant wrote:Perfidious lies! I challenge the OP to a duel.
At the sun of course. i accept this challenge but as im still new lets do it in rookie ships in which i mean t1 frigs in hi sec :) jita for example? somehow getting the feeling the entire thing was just made up
i can ensure you that none of it is. but just like everything in this game it seems lack of trust of believe in anything, i can produce all evidence proving everything i have stated however i wish to keep my real character names out of this and i hope you can respect that. and if not what can else can i do,
and in-regards to the challenge im still learning, so every battle is a tranning session whether they like it or not :) |

Arec Bardwin
755
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Posted - 2012.09.30 15:07:00 -
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Finally, goon recruitment scams are at an end. |

Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
370
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Posted - 2012.09.30 15:13:00 -
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Seatox wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:
Its not that I don't feel a lot of rage over this, its just that I see this same crap happen in real life all the time, so why should I expect anything to be done about it in a silly game about spaceships.
Actually, I'm pretty sure the rules around scamming people is such that outright telling people to buy a PLEX so you can scam it out of them is utterly forbidden. this I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid. |

Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4441
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Posted - 2012.09.30 15:54:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:Seatox wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:
Its not that I don't feel a lot of rage over this, its just that I see this same crap happen in real life all the time, so why should I expect anything to be done about it in a silly game about spaceships.
Actually, I'm pretty sure the rules around scamming people is such that outright telling people to buy a PLEX so you can scam it out of them is utterly forbidden. this Unless you're a member of one of the various nullsec mega alliances like the Goons, apparently they're above the rules because I know for a fact they do this and get away with it.
Andski wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:And for those claiming that Goons don't scam I say that you are liars, during my second week I was asking around the in game recruitment channel about a corp to join and a Goon responded trying to get me to pay a 500mil isk "deposit" to join. Naturally not being a complete moron I told this "recruiter" to kiss my pasty ass and I've been an adamant Goon hater ever since. This claim is demonstrably false because you were never in the recruitment channel. Lose the 'i'm a new player guys!' gimmick because you're not. If its "demonstrably false" I encourage you to please "demonstrabe" it. Otherwise stfu Goon because I for one am glad this topic exists to warn new players of the potential danger you and your alliance mates represent to them. Its good to be Gallente. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
666
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Posted - 2012.09.30 15:58:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:Seatox wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:
Its not that I don't feel a lot of rage over this, its just that I see this same crap happen in real life all the time, so why should I expect anything to be done about it in a silly game about spaceships.
Actually, I'm pretty sure the rules around scamming people is such that outright telling people to buy a PLEX so you can scam it out of them is utterly forbidden. this Unless you're a member of one of the various nullsec mega alliances like the Goons, apparently they're above the rules because I know for a fact they do this and get away with it.
I assume you have some irrefutable evidence to back up your claim? Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |

Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4441
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Posted - 2012.09.30 16:02:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:Vera Algaert wrote:Seatox wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:
Its not that I don't feel a lot of rage over this, its just that I see this same crap happen in real life all the time, so why should I expect anything to be done about it in a silly game about spaceships.
Actually, I'm pretty sure the rules around scamming people is such that outright telling people to buy a PLEX so you can scam it out of them is utterly forbidden. this Unless you're a member of one of the various nullsec mega alliances like the Goons, apparently they're above the rules because I know for a fact they do this and get away with it. I assume you have some irrefutable evidence to back up your claim? Nope, any evidence I could provide would instantly be considered doctored by living crap like you so why bother.
New players be warned, do not deal with these people. Its good to be Gallente. |

Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.09.30 16:04:00 -
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Raziel Malphaz wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:OP pray tell & link us to the website you read? you may find it's different from the one that we think you didn't read. IE their wiki which does state in big red letters https://wiki.goonfleet.com/Joining_GoonWaffe wrote:If you gave isk to join GoonWaffe then you were scammed and you're **** out of luck. The wiki page is slightly out of date, goonwaffe is now Goonswarm Federation, however it is on their official wiki The website I was told to apply was www.goonfleet.net
You must of done something wrong because I was never given this link even after many mail to a member of goonwaffe recruitement. I don't even know what to tell you now because even the recruiter had rules to follow to not tell me more. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
666
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Posted - 2012.09.30 16:06:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:Nope, any evidence I could provide would instantly be considered doctored by dogshit like you so why bother.
New players be warned, do not deal with these people.
There you go everyone. Another enemy spreading lies & slander with out a shred of evidence. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |

Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4441
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Posted - 2012.09.30 16:10:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:Nope, any evidence I could provide would instantly be considered doctored by dogshit like you so why bother.
New players be warned, do not deal with these people. There you go everyone. Another enemy spreading lies & slander with out a shred of evidence. Theres a special spot in hell for people like you...
I'm done with this topic, I've said my piece and like others have said anyone with the inclination can do some internet research and find out what you and your alliance mates are like.
I'll just leave this here. Its good to be Gallente. |

Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
666
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Posted - 2012.09.30 16:12:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:Nope, any evidence I could provide would instantly be considered doctored by dogshit like you so why bother.
New players be warned, do not deal with these people. There you go everyone. Another enemy spreading lies & slander with out a shred of evidence. Theres a special spot in hell for people like you...
As a reasonable & modern human being, I do not believe in fiction. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4929
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Posted - 2012.09.30 16:31:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:If its "demonstrably false" I encourage you to please "demonstrabe" it. Otherwise stfu Goon because I for one am glad this topic exists to warn new players of the potential danger you and your alliance mates represent to them.
You should crack open a dictionary and look up "demonstrably." And yes, the evidence that you've never spoken in the recruitment channel is there - you've never spoken in the recruitment channel because it's publicly logged and it's easy to tell. Off with you, sockpuppet! please leave |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Kraken.
330
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Posted - 2012.09.30 16:32:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:Andski wrote:This claim is demonstrably false because you were never in the recruitment channel.
Lose the 'i'm a new player guys!' gimmick because you're not. If its "demonstrably false" I encourage you to please "demonstrabe" it. I know this was supposed to be an ice burn or whatever but 'demonstrably' is actually a real word
e: beaten |

Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4450
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Posted - 2012.09.30 16:39:00 -
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Demonstrable (adj.) capable of being demonstrated or proven.Andski wrote:yes, the evidence that you've never spoken in the recruitment channel is there - you've never spoken in the recruitment channel because it's publicly logged and it's easy to tell. Off with you, sockpuppet! Alright than please show your evidence. 
Benny Ohu wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:Andski wrote:This claim is demonstrably false because you were never in the recruitment channel.
Lose the 'i'm a new player guys!' gimmick because you're not. If its "demonstrably false" I encourage you to please "demonstrabe" it. I know this was supposed to be an ice burn or whatever but 'demonstrably' is actually a real word I know it is, but I'm confident he can no more prove what he is claiming than unfortunately I can prove what I'm claiming. Its good to be Gallente. |

Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2012.09.30 17:00:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:
Of course this doesn't negate the original topic that Goons scam new players, and to those who do find themselves being scammed by a Goon in a way thats been mentioned in this topic I encourage you to please make a copy of the transcript and petition it to CCP, maybe if enough new players file petitions they will do something about it, I'm not gonna hold my breath though.
I'm pretty sure nothing will be done because there are official way to get into Goonwaffe if you pass the few intelligence tests as a requirement.
Did I tell too much now? |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1310

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Posted - 2012.09.30 17:11:00 -
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I know that certain practices in EVE are frowned upon by some players, but scamming is a perfectly acceptable past time in EVE. It is also a perfectly acceptable thing to do to make other people aware of potential scams, this is one of the great things about EVE and her community.
What isn't acceptable behaviour is resorting to hurling personal insults around. Doing so does nothing to further a discussion, is quite likely to lead to anything you say being dismissed by those you are trying to help, and is also a breach of numerous forum rules. So lets keep it as civil as possible and we can all enjoy the drama of scams, counter scams and good samaritan acts that make EVE a vibrant place to live  ISD Type40 Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1515
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Posted - 2012.09.30 17:40:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:Of course this doesn't negate the original topic that Goons scam new players, and to those who do find themselves being scammed by a Goon in a way thats been mentioned in this topic I encourage you to please make a copy of the transcript and petition it to CCP, maybe if enough new players file petitions they will do something about it, I'm not gonna hold my breath though. I'm pretty sure nothing will be done because there are official way to get into Goonwaffe if you pass the few intelligence tests as a requirement. Did I tell too much now? Do they have the intelligence to understand it? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4929
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Posted - 2012.09.30 17:49:00 -
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Paul Oliver wrote:Alright than please show your evidence. 
As I've said, the recruitment channel is publicly logged and there is no evidence of you ever saying a word in that channel. please leave |

Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2012.09.30 17:54:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:Of course this doesn't negate the original topic that Goons scam new players, and to those who do find themselves being scammed by a Goon in a way thats been mentioned in this topic I encourage you to please make a copy of the transcript and petition it to CCP, maybe if enough new players file petitions they will do something about it, I'm not gonna hold my breath though. I'm pretty sure nothing will be done because there are official way to get into Goonwaffe if you pass the few intelligence tests as a requirement. Did I tell too much now? Do they have the intelligence to understand it?
I don't know. When I tried this game, I had raed about the supposed fact there were less idiots playing it because your action could have consequence. I'm starting to belive the only reason why there are less idiots in this game is because there are less subscriber but the ratio is the same. Many people don't want to read pages after apges of stuff to find the clues but that does nto mean it should not be that way. People being lazy does not mean everything should be made fast and simple... |

Gregor Rosethorn
East Khanid Laboratories Khanid Trade Syndicate
4
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Posted - 2012.09.30 18:00:00 -
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OP, the thing you're forgetting, is 1. It takes at least two for a successful scam, the scammer and the scamee, sadly you found yourself as the latter, secondly, this is EVE, if it sounds even slightly too good to be true, its higly likely to be a scam. Thirdly, you didn't do your research into the corp you were wanting to join, which is bad in all sorts of ways, least of which, it could have prevented you losing isk.
Final tip for your continuating to play EVE: Don't fully trust anyone, especially when they're being nice to you.
Never does a person smile so sweetly, as they do when they're about to stab you in the back. |

Ghazu
208
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Posted - 2012.09.30 18:19:00 -
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Lol I only paid 500m to get in. |

Raziel Malphaz
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.09.30 18:30:00 -
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Gregor Rosethorn wrote:OP, the thing you're forgetting, is 1. It takes at least two for a successful scam, the scammer and the scamee, sadly you found yourself as the latter, secondly, this is EVE, if it sounds even slightly too good to be true, its higly likely to be a scam. Thirdly, you didn't do your research into the corp you were wanting to join, which is bad in all sorts of ways, least of which, it could have prevented you losing isk.
Final tip for your continuating to play EVE: Don't fully trust anyone, especially when they're being nice to you.
Never does a person smile so sweetly, as they do when they're about to stab you in the back.
understood loud and clear but please note this thread isn't about what happened to me more of a warning to others and help them out and try n make it easier for them to not follow my footsteps, ive learnt from it and well its kinda enhanced my interest in eve in the end. i do thank you for your concern in regards to what happened to me but isnt needed as i am still having a lot of fun with eve
see back then your right i didnt know the corp/alliance i was applying for but i knew they held alot of space and the leadership of said alliance had to be doing something right for it to be a main contender in null space hence my interest and willingness to pay to get in, so in the end was equaly my fault and could argue that i walked into it but like i said this is to inform other new players of the risks |

Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1473
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Posted - 2012.09.30 18:30:00 -
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Andski wrote:This is upsetting. As a Goonswarm Federation director, I must say that we do not approve of recruitment scams - who was the member that scammed you?
(As a Goonswarm Federation director, I am also available as a third party for transactions such as supercapital trades as well, at a competitive rate!)
m2 |

Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2012.09.30 18:36:00 -
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Raziel Malphaz wrote:Gregor Rosethorn wrote:OP, the thing you're forgetting, is 1. It takes at least two for a successful scam, the scammer and the scamee, sadly you found yourself as the latter, secondly, this is EVE, if it sounds even slightly too good to be true, its higly likely to be a scam. Thirdly, you didn't do your research into the corp you were wanting to join, which is bad in all sorts of ways, least of which, it could have prevented you losing isk.
Final tip for your continuating to play EVE: Don't fully trust anyone, especially when they're being nice to you.
Never does a person smile so sweetly, as they do when they're about to stab you in the back. understood loud and clear but please note this thread isn't about what happened to me more of a warning to others and help them out and try n make it easier for them to not follow my footsteps, ive learnt from it and well its kinda enhanced my interest in eve in the end. i do thank you for your concern in regards to what happened to me but isnt needed as i am still having a lot of fun with eve see back then your right i didnt know the corp/alliance i was applying for but i knew they held alot of space and the leadership of said alliance had to be doing something right for it to be a main contender in null space hence my interest and willingness to pay to get in, so in the end was equaly my fault and could argue that i walked into it but like i said this is to inform other new players of the risks
Newbie won't read this anyway. They don't think about doing research. |

Raziel Malphaz
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.09.30 18:38:00 -
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Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Andski wrote:This is upsetting. As a Goonswarm Federation director, I must say that we do not approve of recruitment scams - who was the member that scammed you?
(As a Goonswarm Federation director, I am also available as a third party for transactions such as supercapital trades as well, at a competitive rate!) m2
if you both truly wish to know eve mail this toon and ill reply with the names of persons i was talking to in regards to this scam. |

Raziel Malphaz
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.09.30 19:38:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Raziel Malphaz wrote:Gregor Rosethorn wrote:OP, the thing you're forgetting, is 1. It takes at least two for a successful scam, the scammer and the scamee, sadly you found yourself as the latter, secondly, this is EVE, if it sounds even slightly too good to be true, its higly likely to be a scam. Thirdly, you didn't do your research into the corp you were wanting to join, which is bad in all sorts of ways, least of which, it could have prevented you losing isk.
Final tip for your continuating to play EVE: Don't fully trust anyone, especially when they're being nice to you.
Never does a person smile so sweetly, as they do when they're about to stab you in the back. understood loud and clear but please note this thread isn't about what happened to me more of a warning to others and help them out and try n make it easier for them to not follow my footsteps, ive learnt from it and well its kinda enhanced my interest in eve in the end. i do thank you for your concern in regards to what happened to me but isnt needed as i am still having a lot of fun with eve see back then your right i didnt know the corp/alliance i was applying for but i knew they held alot of space and the leadership of said alliance had to be doing something right for it to be a main contender in null space hence my interest and willingness to pay to get in, so in the end was equaly my fault and could argue that i walked into it but like i said this is to inform other new players of the risks Newbie won't read this anyway. They don't think about doing research.
well im hoping that since this has been viewed nearly 1200 times which at least 10% of those will be new players im guessing. :) |

Frostys Virpio
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2012.09.30 19:46:00 -
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Raziel Malphaz wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Raziel Malphaz wrote:Gregor Rosethorn wrote:OP, the thing you're forgetting, is 1. It takes at least two for a successful scam, the scammer and the scamee, sadly you found yourself as the latter, secondly, this is EVE, if it sounds even slightly too good to be true, its higly likely to be a scam. Thirdly, you didn't do your research into the corp you were wanting to join, which is bad in all sorts of ways, least of which, it could have prevented you losing isk.
Final tip for your continuating to play EVE: Don't fully trust anyone, especially when they're being nice to you.
Never does a person smile so sweetly, as they do when they're about to stab you in the back. understood loud and clear but please note this thread isn't about what happened to me more of a warning to others and help them out and try n make it easier for them to not follow my footsteps, ive learnt from it and well its kinda enhanced my interest in eve in the end. i do thank you for your concern in regards to what happened to me but isnt needed as i am still having a lot of fun with eve see back then your right i didnt know the corp/alliance i was applying for but i knew they held alot of space and the leadership of said alliance had to be doing something right for it to be a main contender in null space hence my interest and willingness to pay to get in, so in the end was equaly my fault and could argue that i walked into it but like i said this is to inform other new players of the risks Newbie won't read this anyway. They don't think about doing research. well im hoping that since this has been viewed nearly 1200 times which at least 10% of those will be new players im guessing. :)
It's people enjoying the e-drama. |

Tarinara
Avenged Sevenfold Industries
7
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Posted - 2012.09.30 21:00:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Andski wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:You know, the "too good to be true" expression is actualy true sometime.
They offer somethinga long the line of free isk, crazy ship reimbursement plan, showing you the ropes of pretty much anything, logistical support for most activity, ratting/mining in thier relatively safe space and more. The first time I talked to a recruiter, it really sounded way too good to be true after researchign what soem stuff actually meant. (english not being a 1st alnguage is funny sometime)
Basicly, anyone losing isk to a goon recruitement is not putting any effort at all into it. You want to know what's funny? We do have a crazy ship reimbursement plan, we have members experienced in basically every aspect of the game, we have cheap-as-dirt private logistics services, and while our space isn't "safe" by any stretch of the word, avoiding getting blown is simple if you're not dumb. As far as "free ISK" - well, we paid dudes 500M ISK for every 'decent' propaganda poster (glorified image macros) and horrible video tutorials for newbies. A lot of our doctrine ships are over-reimbursed, so there's that too. "We are seen as the bully of the game and we will offer you the moon if you join us." FFS why do people walk into this without checking anything first? The more I read about goons, the more I think thier e-bully rep is only made by a bunch of raging idiots. I had a guild mate in another game who said he was in GoonSwarm. He was telling me 'Yeah: they'll scam the noobs, but they do take older players seriously" I can shrug off the 500mil and laugh it off that a Goon lied to me in another game. If I ever see him again I'm sure he'll get a chuckle out of it too.  |

Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4932
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Posted - 2012.09.30 21:13:00 -
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Raziel Malphaz wrote:well im hoping that since this has been viewed nearly 1200 times which at least 10% of those will be new players im guessing. :)
you're right, this is the first thread ever posted about goonswarm recruitment scams please leave |

Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4459
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Posted - 2012.09.30 22:10:00 -
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Andski wrote:Raziel Malphaz wrote:well im hoping that since this has been viewed nearly 1200 times which at least 10% of those will be new players im guessing. :) you're right, this is the first thread ever posted about goonswarm recruitment scams Like a virus that infects MMOs. Could we maybe get a list of games you asshats don't play? Its good to be Gallente. |
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