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Atandros
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Posted - 2005.03.15 04:35:00 -
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Edited by: Atandros on 15/03/2005 09:42:45
SFCPR001 (Public-Release) 15/3 04:30 / Urgent
The Star Fraction council of owner-captains has met this evening in extraordinary session to discuss the actions of Holder Marin Ankigher in granting possession of 500 Sebiestor individuals to the Curatores Veritatis Alliance in a state of mental and physical conditioning and obedience programming to the cultural dictates of slavery.
After detailed discussion a vote was held and by a 7-1 margin of voting corporate leaders; Star Fraction hereby requires that CVA release these individuals to the care of our officers without delay.
The Star Fraction council grants Curatores Veritatis until 23:59 hours on the evening of 17/03 to deliver the Sebiestor 500 to our care at a mutual location of convenience in Gallente space.
Thereafter we undertake to implement steps to ensure the future cultural and economic independence of these individuals whereupon their future destiny will be decided by none other than themselves.
If Curatores Veritatis Alliance does not comply with this request then the Star Fraction Council has authorised that ôunspecified further actionö will be taken where appropriate with more details to be released if and when such measures become appropriate.
Thank you for your attention; this has been a Star Fraction public announcement on behalf of the owner captains.
The Star Fraction
The Star Fraction forum
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Dau Imperius
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Posted - 2005.03.15 05:03:00 -
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Edited by: Dau Imperius on 15/03/2005 05:06:38
I'll translate this for those who dislike flowery words to hide things:
Star Fraction will hire mercs (most likely KIA and a few others) and maybe declare war on the CVA, if they don't hand over slaves that no one would have cared about had it not been on the news.
Now let us await the CVA response to this. Personally my isk is on PIE. I may dislike slavery but they are quite legal in the Empire and must be properly purchased to freedom, not demanded. Go to their auction and buy their freedom. It's less messy and will save lives..plus the proceeds will go to a good cause...the better treatment of slaves still in the EMpire you can't help yet. (There's more then 500 for the gods sake! You going to help them too or not?)
SF is basically treating these slaves the same way...as cattle for publicity. They care not if someone decides to space them rather then give them up. You've just sentanced these beings to a fate that may include their deaths..unless you work within the system and buy their freedom!
*sighs* Place your bets now ladies and gents. Will there be bloodshed or a cold war?
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Tairos Hakonnus
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Posted - 2005.03.15 05:07:00 -
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Interesting.
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Atandros
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Posted - 2005.03.15 05:11:00 -
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Edited by: Atandros on 15/03/2005 06:17:13
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Star Fraction will hire mercs (most likely KIA and a few others)
After due consideration, SF has decided it would not be to our benefit to hire an elite corp of Osprey pilots at this time.
Originally by: Dau Imperius
Edited by: Dau Imperius on 15/03/2005 05:06:38
Go to their auction and buy their freedom. It's less messy and will save lives..
We should give money to the slavers in exchange for people? And, to boot, acknowledge the slavers' claim of property on them? You're disgusting.
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plus the proceeds will go to a good cause...the better treatment of slaves still in the EMpire you can't help yet. (There's more then 500 for the gods sake! You going to help them too or not?)
Obscene.
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Mordax Ibrium
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Posted - 2005.03.15 05:15:00 -
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I thoroughly endorse this product or message.
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Jaydom
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Posted - 2005.03.15 05:30:00 -
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Edited by: Jaydom on 15/03/2005 05:41:36
Edited by: Jaydom on 15/03/2005 05:38:43
Originally by: Atandrosin ôunspecified further actionö[quote
I relish in that thought. :)
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Nooey
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Posted - 2005.03.15 06:03:00 -
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Edited by: Nooey on 16/03/2005 13:54:53
Originally by: Dau Imperius
I'll translate this for those who dislike flowery words to hide things:
Time for some more translation: "I'll totally distort this message for those without the mental capacity to handle poly-syllabic words. Wherein I will tell outright lies that display how out of touch I am.
Originally by: Dau Imperius
Star Fraction will hire mercs (most likely KIA and a few others) and maybe declare war on the CVA, if they don't hand over slaves that no one would have cared about had it not been on the news.
We kill KIA, we don't hire them. They are neutral-shooting anti-freespace delinquents. The only thing we'd pay them to do is wardec themselves. They get ammo in the face, that is all.
Furthermore, we are not fluffy kittens talking the talk. We are guerillas willing to walk the walk. Ingore that at your peril. Why don't you ask KIA how fluffy we are Dau. You seem to need to catch up with them on a few things, may as well make efficient use of your time.
Originally by: Dau Imperius
Now let us await the CVA response to this. Personally my isk is on PIE. I may dislike slavery but they are quite legal in the Empire and must be properly purchased to freedom, not demanded. Go to their auction and buy their freedom.
Legal or not. We are opposed. Where did we say we are law-abiding? Do freedom fighters often regard the law with high-esteem? We are not interested in buying freedom.
Simply because we disbelieve anybody can own it as a commidity to sell.
This whole filth about pure-bred HUMANS disgusts anyone sane enough to see reason and view the facts with an open and unclouded mind. Legality is entirely insignificant.
Originally by: Dau Imperius
It's less messy and will save lives..plus the proceeds will go to a good cause...the better treatment of slaves still in the Empire you can't help yet. (There's more then 500 for the gods sake! You going to help them too or not?)
Mess? Good lord. The mess has already been made. The mess is upon us. We are only here to clean it all up. The better treatment of slaves, although in ONE way is a good cause, it pales in insignificance to the granting of their freedom. You Dau, may be content in conscience to give them mere happiness in slavery, we however are not.
Originally by: Dau Imperius
SF is basically treating these slaves the same way...as cattle for publicity. They care not if someone decides to space them rather then give them up. You've just sentanced these beings to a fate that may include their deaths..unless you work within the system and buy their freedom!
Obsecene indeed. We make it public so as to make our message clear and resolute. To rally like-minded people behind the cause.
The cause is what is on display here, not ourselves. It is the cause, the fight for freespace, and individual libery therein, that is being promoted, not Star Fraction. We are mere catalysts for a better time.
Get your facts straight. And refrain from any future attempts to "Translate" our words.
Originally by: Dau Imperius
*sighs* Place your bets now ladies and gents. Will there be bloodshed or a cold war?
That is for C.V.A to decide. We are more than prepared to spill the blood of the ignorant.
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Tairos Hakonnus
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Posted - 2005.03.15 06:08:00 -
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Originally by: Nooey
We are more than prepared to spill the blood of the ignorant.
Does this mean we can start blasting indies in X-70MU?
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Russo
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Posted - 2005.03.15 06:14:00 -
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Kyle Caldrel
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Posted - 2005.03.15 06:20:00 -
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ok, they admited it!
Star Fraction is terrorists! onos! 
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.03.15 06:30:00 -
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The Star Fraction council grants Curatores Veritatis until 23:59 hours on the evening of 17/03 to deliver the Sebiestor 500 to our care at a mutual location of convenience in Gallente space.
You aren't too familiar with Gallente Customs laws, are you?
Yes, this should be a well run campaign from Star Fraction. They're right on top of everything.
Minister - Public Affairs
AEGIS MILITIA
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.03.15 06:35:00 -
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Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 15/03/2005 06:37:23
Originally by: Graelyn
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The Star Fraction council grants Curatores Veritatis until 23:59 hours on the evening of 17/03 to deliver the Sebiestor 500 to our care at a mutual location of convenience in Gallente space.
You aren't too familiar with Gallente Customs laws, are you?
Well doh! If they are on their way to freedom they aren't "slaves" anymore are they mr Graelyn. (I reckon gallente customs would reclassify them as "exotic dancers" if we passed them a few million isk to clear the diplomatic channels.
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Yes, this should be a well run campaign from Star Fraction. They're right on top of everything.
I wouldn't go quite that far 
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.03.15 06:40:00 -
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Edited by: Graelyn on 15/03/2005 06:46:18
You speak of a bureaucratic process that takes ages.
Not that it matters. I'd bet my bottom ISK that CVA are going to laugh you off. Then you will come to fight them. Afterwards, they will laugh you off again.
But your feinged 'chance' to avoid the war would result in the returning ship being destroyed. Period.
Come now, your political folks can generate better than this transparent facade, surely.
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2005.03.15 07:07:00 -
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This was amusing.
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Jobe Katarn
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Posted - 2005.03.15 08:13:00 -
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Edited by: Jobe Katarn on 15/03/2005 08:13:46
Declare.
I need a trip to Gallante space. Perhaps I can buy some nubile Gallante slaves whilst I'm there.
In arduis fidelis
Steadfast in Adversity
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.03.15 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tairos Hakonnus
Does this mean we can start blasting indies in X-70MU?
As long as they're not Star Fraction indies.
We're not the PB Police you know, although attacking neutral shipping has been known to get our attention for all the wrong reasons.
We're not 'moving' our base of operations at all, and if CVA are sensible about this we won't need to fly over there to pursue less diplomatic solutions. *coughs*
Do try to be good...
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Joaquin Farrad
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Posted - 2005.03.15 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kyle Caldrel
ok, they admited it!
Star Fraction is terrorists! onos!
I prefer to think of us as gypsies more than pirates.
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Gen Denrk
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Posted - 2005.03.15 09:10:00 -
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I can handle being a gypsie ... but not a pirate :D
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Tairos Hakonnus
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Posted - 2005.03.15 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Jakk Graiseach
Originally by: Tairos Hakonnus
Does this mean we can start blasting indies in X-70MU?
As long as they're not Star Fraction indies.
We're not the PB Police you know, although attacking neutral shipping has been known to get our attention for all the wrong reasons.
Maybe we can work something out?
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.03.15 09:29:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/03/2005 09:31:23
I think I speak for the whole CVA when I say that we do not give in to blackmail.
I really hope that you don't expect us to give in to your demands, in the same way that we don't expect you flower powered beatniks to give up your addictions to boosters and erotic Gallente holoreels.
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.03.15 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Joaquin Farrad
I prefer to think of us as gypsies more than pirates.
Do we get to wear those dangly headdress things with the little gold coins hanging off them? I like those. I'll have to get the outside of my ship painted with some nice designs - maybe rambling roses and Tarot cards.
*Wanders off singing.. "Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves..."*
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.03.15 10:01:00 -
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This is not an offical CVA reply as I have yet to consult my other CVA colleagues...
However my initial reaction echoes that of Rodj Blake. We do not give in to blackmail and terror.
If Star Fraction wish to align their 246 pilots to the 308 terrorist pilots of Ushra'Khan then so be it.
The CVA has never been daunted by odds... We shall face this difficulty and overcome it for we have right on our side.
This is yet another example of OUTSIDERS meddling in Amarrian affairs. What right have the Gallente got to tell us how to live our lives? What right have they got to attack our traditions and customs?
The CVA has and will continue to remain steadfast in its duty towards the Empire - whether that is removing the threat of piracy from within its borders or opposing those who wish to interfere in our internal affairs. We may be outnumbered but we will continue the struggle until our dying breath for we are Amarrians, stubborn and true...
Let all Amarrians know our race is under attack, our way of life is threatened.
Do not stand idly by...
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.03.15 10:08:00 -
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[Considers calling off his servant from her current duties, to violate Star Fraction pilots instead.]
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Atandros
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Posted - 2005.03.15 10:20:00 -
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Edited by: Atandros on 15/03/2005 10:20:16
Originally by: Hardin
This is yet another example of OUTSIDERS meddling in Amarrian affairs. What right have the Gallente got to tell us how to live our lives? What right have they got to attack our traditions and customs?
You ask what right others have to intrude and attack your traditions and customs - after what you've done to the Minmatar? You're, frankly, amazingly repulsive and, as I've said elsewhere, personally I wholeheartedly support the extermination of the CVA to the greatest degree at the earliest opportunity.
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The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2005.03.15 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
This is yet another example of OUTSIDERS meddling in Amarrian affairs. What right have the Gallente got to tell us how to live our lives? What right have they got to attack our traditions and customs?
Laughable. The Amarrian Empire's stock-in-trade is inteference in the affairs of others, whether it be by direct force-of-arms as in the conquest of the Minmatar Empire and other races suppressed by the Empire throughout the ages or whether it by proxy forces, political meddling or economic pressure.
Do not make the mistake of thinking that The Star Fraction is a Gallente front organisation just because your gang of thugs operates with the veneer of imperial backing. The Star Fraction includes many races and many strands of political thought.
As to our right to attack your 'traditions and customs'. This is an absurd protest in the face of your suppression of Matari traditions and customs throughout the ages.
You may well bray your usual 'God is on our side' justification and I respond with the ethics of freespace and self-determination that underpins The Star Fraction political movement.
The reason this act of slavery is so vile is that it both symbolizes everything that is wrong with the Amarrian system, economic, political and religious, and because it is being used to justify a spurious 'free space' in Providence. All the world knows that this is merely an attempt by renegades and malcontents to annex Providence for the Empire in order to curry favour with their lords and masters.
The near unanimity of The Star Fraction owner-pilot council in this question (in a political movement that by its very nature is a medley of views and positions) indicates our resolve in this matter and will provide a solid foundation for our young movement's first campaign against manifestations of tyranny, whether that tyranny be slavery or enclosurism.
The Cosmopolite
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.03.15 10:28:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/03/2005 10:30:48
Originally by: Atandros
Edited by: Atandros on 15/03/2005 10:20:16
Originally by: Hardin
This is yet another example of OUTSIDERS meddling in Amarrian affairs. What right have the Gallente got to tell us how to live our lives? What right have they got to attack our traditions and customs?
You ask what right others have to intrude and attack your traditions and customs - after what you've done to the Minmatar? You're, frankly, amazingly repulsive and, as I've said elsewhere, personally I wholeheartedly support the extermination of the CVA to the greatest degree at the earliest opportunity.
So, you will attack us even if we submit to your demands?
Admitting to that hardly seems like the best way for your to secure the release of the workers.
If you've ever paid for training in negotiation or diplomacy, I think that maybe you should ask for your money back.
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Golan Trevize
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Posted - 2005.03.15 10:34:00 -
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From:TES Leviathan Apocalypse class.
Location:Mamet high orbit.
***AMUSED ADMIRAL APPEARS ON HOLO***
Empty threats by a bunch of transvestites and prostitutes, the galenteans make such poor soldiers...they really have no stomach for fighting ,your flimsy ships will be no match for the golden fleet.
***TRANSMISSION ENDS***
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.03.15 10:35:00 -
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Clearly Atandros you are just jealous of my amazing charisma and attraction to your female folk. That is the real reason for this war 
Joking aside... are you simply going to regurgitate Minmatar propoganda?
What we have done to the Minmatar?
We have taken a backwards tribal people and are moulding them into valuable contributors to the galactic community.
Yes we benefit from slavery... but so do the barbaric Minmatar. They are simply too short sighted to see this.
Now stop interfering in Amarr affairs. Your involvement will come to haunt you and your people...
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Atandros
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Posted - 2005.03.15 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
So, you will attack us even if we submit to your demands?
Admitting to that hardly seems like the best way for your to secure the release of the workers.
If you've ever paid for training in negotiation or diplomacy, I think that maybe you should ask for your money back.
Quite the acerbic tongue you have.
No, note I said personally. Jerome Atandros the individual and Jerome Atandros the Star Fraction representative are two different personas.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.03.15 10:37:00 -
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Mmm.
Might be wise to consider this what it is, Hardin, one Alliance vs an other. Involving one's race in every debate is counter-productive 
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.03.15 10:37:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/03/2005 10:38:14
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 15/03/2005 06:37:23
Originally by: Graelyn
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The Star Fraction council grants Curatores Veritatis until 23:59 hours on the evening of 17/03 to deliver the Sebiestor 500 to our care at a mutual location of convenience in Gallente space.
You aren't too familiar with Gallente Customs laws, are you?
Well doh! If they are on their way to freedom they aren't "slaves" anymore are they mr Graelyn. (I reckon gallente customs would reclassify them as "exotic dancers" if we passed them a few million isk to clear the diplomatic channels.
I think that we see here the Star Fractions true aims. They do not want the slaves to be truly free. What they do want is more workers for the sex trade.
If released to the Star Fraction, I have no doubt that these well trained, well cared for workers would be forced to work in sleazy bars where they would be eyed up by lusty Caldari businessmen, or worse, made to pleasure Brutors in some dingy back alley.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.03.15 10:38:00 -
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Originally by: Atandros
Quite the acerbic tongue you have.
No, note I said personally. Jerome Atandros the individual and Jerome Atandros the Star Fraction representative are two different personas.
We have medication for that, nowadays.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.03.15 10:44:00 -
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Originally by: Atandros
Originally by: Rodj Blake
So, you will attack us even if we submit to your demands?
Admitting to that hardly seems like the best way for your to secure the release of the workers.
If you've ever paid for training in negotiation or diplomacy, I think that maybe you should ask for your money back.
Quite the acerbic tongue you have.
No, note I said personally. Jerome Atandros the individual and Jerome Atandros the Star Fraction representative are two different personas.
Tell me, is it Star Fraction policy for thier members to spout as much hatred as they want, even if it jeopardises the alliance's aims?
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.03.15 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
Originally by: Atandros
Quite the acerbic tongue you have.
No, note I said personally. Jerome Atandros the individual and Jerome Atandros the Star Fraction representative are two different personas.
We have medication for that, nowadays.
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Majaraw Awalabas
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Posted - 2005.03.15 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
All the world knows that this is merely an attempt by renegades and malcontents to annex Providence for the Empire in order to curry favour with their lords and masters.
Your lack of knowledge is astounding, former citizen.
To label the CVA as renegades and malcontents after they've received numerous plaudits and recognition by the Empire shows your lack of knowledge of your own race.
As for this threat against the Amarrian way of life, this is why I left the service of the Emperor. So I could be on the frontlines serving the Empire and defending it.
My family took part in the Starkmanir extinction. I can not wait to take part in a repeat of that historic cleansing.
Your hulls will burn, your corpses scattered in the void.
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Aphoxema G
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Posted - 2005.03.15 10:52:00 -
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Aphoxema saw a thread getting popular that she hadn't yet participated in. Scanning through the posts, she completely missed the point, was hit like a shell by her histrionic drive, and leapt straight into a reply..
So, uh, yeah! We ought'ta get down to this business and stuff and teach those guys a lesson! I mean, so many people agreed with that, and like, I'm Sebiestor and stuff, I think.
So, yeah! WOOO!
She would burn redder than a star if she'd realized how rediculous her way of constantly switching sides based on popularity appeared. She'd learn better soon enough, but the lesson would be a hard one; Her motivation was faster than her wit and whim combined.
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KhanJohn
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Posted - 2005.03.15 11:01:00 -
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Hoorah! FOr the Star Fraction, i seriosuly hope though that you will backup these words with action...
And to those in the CVA dont think its gone un-noticed by us here in the UK, we will find our brothers and sisters and they will be freed...you have my word on that...
Our traditions are flawed and distorted by you the Holders, the greatest evil ever to be let loose on the galaxy, you are like a virus eating away from the core of amarran society, more like the damned caldari profit mongers the problem with you lot is your so fanatical...damn clothheads..
I personally demand you release those 500 slaves to me
otherwise ill just come and take them by force
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.03.15 11:03:00 -
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how can holders eat away at the core when they ARE the core :/
We're civilised, not cannibals
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Meehan
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Posted - 2005.03.15 11:03:00 -
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"Master?"
It was Orlein, the Sebiestor slave Meehan had owned since birth - now 16 years old and a promising talent, gifted both spiritually and mentally.
"Yes, my young aphogee?" Meehan replied as he crawled out of the Malediction Class Interceptor TES Panther II's turret hardpoint. These new Medium Pulses were a real hassle to install.
"There was just a transmission over the GalNet - I downloaded it for you!" Orlein said and stretched out a hand with a holoreel in it.
"Play it." Meehan commanded while wiping the oil residue from the turret's hydraulic systems off his hands on an old rug he had carried in his back pocket. Orlein hit the playswitch, displaying the ultimatum the Star Fraction had just transmitted.
"Oh dear." Meehan responded. More enemies was never a good thing - Meehan already had a rough time coping with all the Matari rebels. That and that he had always liked the Gallente who, unlike the brute savages of the Republic, had earned their sovereignity and civilization.
"Well, thank you Orlein. Withdraw a few thousand credits from my account and take a few days off. There should be a shuttle heading back for Nalu tomorrow if you want to visit your friends. I have to go for a few days and won't be back till Monday. I expect you back here by then though. Understood?"
"Yes, master. Shall I take my literature along with me?"
Meehan blinked.
"Uhm... yes, do that. Good thinking!" Surprisingly enough, Orlein cared more for the scriptures than Meehan himself did - so much that he actually knew more about their contents than did his master. A promising talent indeed.
"That will be all, Orlein. Thank you." Meehan said has he crawled back into the turret hardpoint. Orlein nodded, turned and started to walk out of the hangar.
"And Orlein?"
"Yes, master?"
"Have fun! Monday!"
Orlein smiled and continued walking. Meehan wondered whether the boy knew how fortunate he way - too many Amarrians were still cruel to their slaves despite the Emperor's decree.
Slightly worried, Meehan continued outfitting his new ship with his brand new high-tech guns. Soon, the command from his superiors would come and soon, the heavens would burst with fire once more. This time not by projectiles, but by hybrid bolts. Peace seemed all too distant.
Meehan kept the image of his son playing on the grassy fields of Nalu in his head.
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The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2005.03.15 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Majaraw Awalabas
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
All the world knows that this is merely an attempt by renegades and malcontents to annex Providence for the Empire in order to curry favour with their lords and masters.
Your lack of knowledge is astounding, former citizen.
To label the CVA as renegades and malcontents after they've received numerous plaudits and recognition by the Empire shows your lack of knowledge of your own race.
It is not a lack of knowledge, it is a considered view. Those who setup or join paramilitary organisations in order to take radical action above and beyond that which their state (ie. the Amarrian Empire) is willing to take are essentially operating in a renegade-type manner and are by their very deeds expressing discontent with the policy of their notional government.
While many of you give token obeisance to the current Emperor it is quite clear, from your actions, that the CVA is at root opposed to the political philosophy of Doriam Kor-Azor (though I myself regard his 'liberality' as limited in the extreme). You are supported by elements within the Empire - do not pretend every Family regards you in the most beatific light.
I expect one of your propagandists might point to the absurd SPCS as an example of Doriam's injunctions in action. I say, a nonsense. There is nothing good, noble or liberal about the suppression of one individual's basic liberties for the enrichment of another. As the ancient saying goes: a gilded cage remains a cage.
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As for this threat against the Amarrian way of life, this is why I left the service of the Emperor. So I could be on the frontlines serving the Empire and defending it.
My family took part in the Starkmanir extinction. I can not wait to take part in a repeat of that historic cleansing.
You make my point better than I could: Doriam Kor-Azor is no great fan of 'extinctions'.
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Your hulls will burn, your corpses scattered in the void.
This renegade, malcontent and heretic looks forward to joining battle with you and your fellows.
The Cosmopolite
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2005.03.15 12:34:00 -
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I rarely bother with discussions on these forums, as I do not care to repeat myself to imbeciles such as The Cosmopolite here in an attempt to make them understand.
I much prefer to enforce words through action.
In any case, I feel generous today, though it might not last for very long.
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Those who setup or join paramilitary organisations in order to take radical action above and beyond that which their state (ie. the Amarrian Empire) is willing to take are essentially operating in a renegade-type manner and are by their very deeds expressing discontent with the policy of their notional government.
Whatever action the CVA takes, we always consider the needs of the Empire before we move to enforce it. To brand us renegades on basis of our actions against the Ushra'Khan and our ongoing struggle to bring stability to lower Domain, brands the label 'idiot' plain on your forehead.
The CVA as a whole are very content with the rule of Doriam II, to claim otherwise would be to brand the label 'fool' on your forehead.
Assisting the Empire by focusing our resources towards internal stability and peace, working alongside the Navy and Ministry of War towards a common goal does not exactly brand us discontents, now does it.
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
While many of you give token obeisance to the current Emperor it is quite clear, from your actions, that the CVA is at root opposed to the political philosophy of Doriam Kor-Azor (though I myself regard his 'liberality' as limited in the extreme). You are supported by elements within the Empire - do not pretend every Family regards you in the most beatific light.
The CVA exists to enforce the rule of the Emperor, and secure his position as our Lord and Sheperd. Our loyalty lies with the Emperor, Father of All Houses and None, until the day of the Apocalypse is upon us.
While individual members might have personal preferences towards the governing methods and ideals of a particular House, they still serve the Empire first and foremost.
To claim that we oppose the political philosophy of Doriam II is inane, when a short background check will tell you that all our conflicts stem from outside aggression and attempts to destabilize the Empire itself.
We will not stand idly by and tolerate these transgressions, nor will be bend an inch to your aggressive demands that we lay aside our birthright and traditions.
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
I expect one of your propagandists might point to the absurd SPCS as an example of Doriam's injunctions in action. I say, a nonsense. There is nothing good, noble or liberal about the suppression of one individual's basic liberties for the enrichment of another. As the ancient saying goes: a gilded cage remains a cage.
Who cares about your individual opinion. We follow the decrees of Doriam II to the point, and our Faith assures us that we are Righteous in doing so.
Enjoy the so called 'freedom' of the Federation. The Empire does things differently.
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
This renegade, malcontent and heretic looks forward to joining battle with you and your fellows.
The Cosmopolite
Of course you do. Anarchy, destruction and dissent are your Masters.
You will burn.
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Originally by: Gaius Kador
Whatever action the CVA takes, we always consider the needs of the Empire before we move to enforce it. To brand us renegades on basis of our actions against the Ushra'Khan and our ongoing struggle to bring stability to lower Domain, brands the label 'idiot' plain on your forehead.
The CVA as a whole are very content with the rule of Doriam II, to claim otherwise would be to brand the label 'fool' on your forehead.
So you operate as a sanctioned part of the Amarrian government?
Your very actions in securing Domain show that you have no faith in your government. If the Emperor wanted it done why doesnt he order the navy to do it? He either doesnt want it, or the navy is incompetent. And the competence of the navy is the responsibility of the Emperor. So either you are renegades or the Emperor is incompetent.
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Posted - 2005.03.15 12:56:00 -
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I voted against this silly endeavour and won't be personally involving myself in this conflict unless given good reason to.
Should prove interesting at any rate.
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Posted - 2005.03.15 12:58:00 -
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Edited by: theRaptor on 15/03/2005 12:58:32
Originally by: Golan Trevize
From:TES Leviathan Apocalypse class.
Location:Mamet high orbit.
***AMUSED ADMIRAL APPEARS ON HOLO***
Empty threats by a bunch of transvestites and prostitutes, the galenteans make such poor soldiers...they really have no stomach for fighting ,your flimsy ships will be no match for the golden fleet.
***TRANSMISSION ENDS***
Thats okay the Star Fraction has an over abundance of combat crazed graduates of the Caldari State War Academy.
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Posted - 2005.03.15 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: theRaptor
So you operate as a sanctioned part of the Amarrian government?
Your very actions in securing Domain show that you have no faith in your government. If the Emperor wanted it done why doesnt he order the navy to do it? He either doesnt want it, or the navy is incompetent. And the competence of the navy is the responsibility of the Emperor. So either you are renegades or the Emperor is incompetent.
The worst part of your reply is the fact that you are being serious.
My patience for dealing with numbwits just ended.
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Posted - 2005.03.15 13:04:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 15/03/2005 13:18:29
My money is on the CVA fleet...
Sexy Gallente ships just dont cut it when it comes to defeating Imperial Fleets.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.03.15 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Giving the slaves away would be a bad idea, my corporation among many others might be interested in spending a lot of money on these slaves.
Apart from that my money is on the CVA fleet...
Sexy Gallente ships just dont cut it when it comes to imperial fleets.
*sigh*
The Gallente are in the minority in Star Fraction. And considering we live in the Caldari States back yard we tend to fly those ships (much easier logistically).
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Posted - 2005.03.15 13:17:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Kador
Originally by: theRaptor
So you operate as a sanctioned part of the Amarrian government?
Your very actions in securing Domain show that you have no faith in your government. If the Emperor wanted it done why doesnt he order the navy to do it? He either doesnt want it, or the navy is incompetent. And the competence of the navy is the responsibility of the Emperor. So either you are renegades or the Emperor is incompetent.
The worst part of your reply is the fact that you are being serious.
My patience for dealing with numbwits just ended.
So? Your work is either sanctioned by the Emperor or it is not. You claim to be reclaiming a region in the name of the Empire, yet apparently do this with no legitimacy. If the Emperor wants this done why does he not send the navy to do it?
You do it in your own name, and enforce your interpretations of Amarrian law. You cannot claim a region in the Empires name anymore then I can claim one in the name of the State, unless you are so sanctioned by that empires government.
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Posted - 2005.03.15 13:32:00 -
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Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 15/03/2005 13:33:19
Originally by: Gaius Kador
[...] imbeciles such as The Cosmopolite [...]
[...]brands the label 'idiot' plain on your forehead.[...]
[...]brand the label 'fool' on your forehead.[...]
I'm always reassured when the only recourse of an opponent, pending combat, is to resort to insults. It rather suggests I am not too wide of the mark.
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Assisting the Empire by focusing our resources towards internal stability and peace, working alongside the Navy and Ministry of War towards a common goal does not exactly brand us discontents, now does it.
Don't make me laugh. You merely collaborate with hardliners within the Empire who are working to undermine the 'liberal' policies of Doriam Kor-Azor. If you cannot see that and are the dupes of conservative forces within the Empire I almost pity you.
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Enjoy the so called 'freedom' of the Federation. The Empire does things differently.
We enjoy freedom in various non-empire regions as well as such activities as we carry out in all the empires. The Star Fraction contains members who regard all the old, tired states and empires as corrupt and out-of-date in the new era of capsuleers.
Your very own paramilitary organisation is just such one symptom of the age could you but see it, even though it be an unwelcome manifestation of the new reality.
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You will burn.
In the flames of freedom, certainly, and your forces be scorched by those flames, be assured.
The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2005.03.15 13:33:00 -
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Threats and blackmail will not deter CVA from its goal as defenders of the Empire. These slaves were awarded by their lawful owner to the CVA in gratitude for our work in the region. Now to have decadent Gallante demand they be handed over is an outrage.
The slavetrade is legal in Amarr and will live on. The beasts are enlightend to serve God and Empire and will continue to do so for centuries and millenia to come.
Our Empire is eternal as is our faith.
Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.03.15 13:48:00 -
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Edited by: Babs Johnson on 15/03/2005 13:54:21
Originally by: Majaraw Awalabas
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
All the world knows that this is merely an attempt by renegades and malcontents to annex Providence for the Empire in order to curry favour with their lords and masters.
Your lack of knowledge is astounding, former citizen.
To label the CVA as renegades and malcontents after they've received numerous plaudits and recognition by the Empire shows your lack of knowledge of your own race.
As for this threat against the Amarrian way of life, this is why I left the service of the Emperor. So I could be on the frontlines serving the Empire and defending it.
My family took part in the Starkmanir extinction. I can not wait to take part in a repeat of that historic cleansing.
Your hulls will burn, your corpses scattered in the void.
My, the Amarrians think highly of themselves, don't they?
But the civilized world looks upon them with disgust and revulsion.
My dear Monsieur Awalabas, your vanity will surely be your undoing.
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Posted - 2005.03.15 13:50:00 -
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I think that we see here the Star Fractions true aims. They do not want the slaves to be truly free. What they do want is more workers for the sex trade.
Well well, its nice to see those Imperial propaganda 101 classes came in handy  I think you mind find that a lot of workers in the gallente sex trade actually consider themselves pretty free (with trade unions and pension plans and full voting rights and everything) But what would I know anyhow? (being trained by nuns to be a space social worker and all that.)
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If released to the Star Fraction, I have no doubt that these well trained, well cared for workers would be forced to work in sleazy bars where they would be eyed up by lusty Caldari businessmen, or worse, made to pleasure Brutors in some dingy back alley.
Hmmm, I guess those stories of how CVA use their pleasure slaves are all false then and they're never used to provide hospitality for vile business acquaintances and forced to fight to exhaustion and fatality for amusement and titalation in mud wrestling death matches while the admirals place bets on which one's choke first?
/cheap racial stereotype mode off.
Seriously guys, anyone can make up shock horror stories maybe its worth raising the debate a bit and wondering why the CVA actions in this regard attract the special condemnation of an alliance of posthuman freespacers with previous interests on the other side of the galactic cluster.
Just a thought!
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Posted - 2005.03.15 13:54:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Don't make me laugh. You merely collaborate with hardliners within the Empire who are working to undermine the 'liberal' policies of Doriam Kor-Azor. If you cannot see that and are the dupes of conservative forces within the Empire I almost pity you.
Thanks for that, I needed a good laugh.
Let's get one thing clear here. Doriam II is the Emperor of Amarr. He is our leader. He was made our leader by God. His word is law. To attempt to undermine him is to commit treason. To even think of attempting to undermine him is to commit treason. I am proud to say that I have never committed treason.
I've lost count of the number of times over the last year that we've been called Doriam's lackeys, lap-dogs or worse.
If you think that we in the CVA are hardliners, you obviously haven't read the policies of some of the pro-Reclaiming corporations out there.
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Posted - 2005.03.15 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Babs Johnson
My, the Amarrians think highly of themselves, don't they?
But the civilized world looks upon them with disgust and revulsion.
My dear Monsieur Awalabas, your vanity will surely be your undoing.
Contrary to what you may believe, the culture which you inhabit is not the civilised world.
In a civilised society, a person's worth is determined by their loyalty to a higher cause, not the size of their bust.
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Posted - 2005.03.15 14:02:00 -
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So we now have Gallente Terrorists.
/emote shakes his head.
Im totaly baffled.
Ah well at least life got interisting.
Btw : didint someone have issues with caldari shipping routes in the Bleaklands?
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Posted - 2005.03.15 14:12:00 -
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Duty towards the liberation of one's fellow man, and the re-education of those deliberate on building their ways of life on the backs of the oppressed are more than just cause for action.
My personal campaign for empowerment of the Caldari State's general populace will begin with this example. I've fought past the edge of fiscal ruin and died many times over for sworn fealties before; empty words have never been my forte.
You must understand by now that Star Fraction is much more than the stereotype you brand it with. For your own safety, you must understand.
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Posted - 2005.03.15 14:13:00 -
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Originally by: Al Haquis
So we now have Gallente Terrorists.
Among other Gypsies, yes.
Our alliance has members from 4 races and I think, often, we have a lot of Caldari actively flying the freespace lanes.
One member corporation is, I believe, exclusively Caldari.
Being pro-freedom demands some response to this use of enslaved post-humans as if they were crates of Quafe awarded to a lottery winner...
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Posted - 2005.03.15 14:18:00 -
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The CVA is not only loyal to the Emperor and organized and disciplined beyond what any lesser race can aspire to, it is also highly connected into the official institutions of any other empire.
You know no loyalty and for a sack of gold or megacyte will sell anything.
That is why we do now, merely a couple hours after this hostile communique, have obtained nearly complete listings of your members.
You are being watched by imperial agents and I, as head of CVA Intelligence Gathering, will be evaluating you in person to determine if you are worthy of even being called a target should you make your threat a reality and furthermore and more unlikely, risk your ships and clones in a futile attempt at striking at the Empire and its servants.
A fools errand you are embarking upon, something you seem highly qualified for.
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Posted - 2005.03.15 14:18:00 -
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Your fleets will burn along with your corrupted flesh. You are meddling with a force you do not fully comprehend. I suggest you pull back your "threat" and take your drivel elsewhere.
You will be destroyed if you continue on this path.
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Posted - 2005.03.15 14:23:00 -
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Yes that confuses me as well Al Haquis...
As far as I can see Omerta Syndicate, who I have a lot of respect for, are part of the Star Fraction alliance...
Until recently Omerta Sysndicate were are war with the very Minmatar terrorists that the Star Fraction now seem to be exchanging bodily fluids with...
Has Omerta Syndicate changed its mind about the economic depredation of the terrorists? Do they support the blackmail and threats of their alliance?
Or will they sit maintain their convictions and sit this conflict out?
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Posted - 2005.03.15 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Doriam II is the Emperor of Amarr. He is our leader. He was made our leader by God.
Well, he was made Emperor by way of a primitive and barbaric series of duels. I know you will say 'the hand of the champion was guided by God' or some such nonsense but I note that the character of the succession process is violent, bloodthirsty (the mass suicide of the heirs echoing ancient palace coups no doubt) and uses the dubious cover of 'tradition'. Amusing and hypocritical, given you decry Matari traditions as 'barbaric', 'primitive', etc, etc, at every opportunity.
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His word is law. To attempt to undermine him is to commit treason. To even think of attempting to undermine him is to commit treason. I am proud to say that I have never committed treason.
If I were loyal to the Amarrian Throne I would unceasingly campaign for the suppression of the CVA as a seditious organisation that does real harm to the legacy of Heideran Tash-Murkon and the policies of Doriam Kor-Azor.
As it goes, I derive great amusement from the destabilisation that your activies represent.
Speaking of Heideran Tash-Murkon, I recall that his family was only elevated to the status of a Heir Family by the secession of Khanid from the Empire. For Heideran to subsequently become Emperor rather suggests that your God works in very peculiar ways indeed. It may be that 'He' advocates the dissolution of your bloated and corrupt Empire. Perhaps you work to 'His' plan after all.
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If you think that we in the CVA are hardliners, you obviously haven't read the policies of some of the pro-Reclaiming corporations out there.
I admit the possibility that some of you are useful dupes. Of course, we have evidence that some of you wish to enage in genocidal actions in this very thread so I don't think I am wrong to suggest hardline motivations within your ranks.
The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2005.03.15 14:36:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/03/2005 14:39:03
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Doriam II is the Emperor of Amarr. He is our leader. He was made our leader by God.
Well, he was made Emperor by way of a primitive and barbaric series of duels. I know you will say 'the hand of the champion was guided by God' or some such nonsense but I note that the character of the succession process is violent, bloodthirsty (the mass suicide of the heirs echoing ancient palace coups no doubt) and uses the dubious cover of 'tradition'. Amusing and hypocritical, given you decry Matari traditions as 'barbaric', 'primitive', etc, etc, at every opportunity.
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His word is law. To attempt to undermine him is to commit treason. To even think of attempting to undermine him is to commit treason. I am proud to say that I have never committed treason.
If I were loyal to the Amarrian Throne I would unceasingly campaign for the suppression of the CVA as a seditious organisation that does real harm to the legacy of Heideran Tash-Murkon and the policies of Doriam Kor-Azor.
As it goes, I derive great amusement from the destabilisation that your activies represent.
Speaking of Heideran Tash-Murkon, I recall that his family was only elevated to the status of a Heir Family by the secession of Khanid from the Empire. For Heideran to subsequently become Emperor rather suggests that your God works in very peculiar ways indeed. It may be that 'He' advocates the dissolution of your bloated and corrupt Empire. Perhaps you work to 'His' plan after all.
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If you think that we in the CVA are hardliners, you obviously haven't read the policies of some of the pro-Reclaiming corporations out there.
I admit the possibility that some of you are useful dupes. Of course, we have evidence that some of you wish to enage in genocidal actions in this very thread so I don't think I am wrong to suggest hardline motivations within your ranks.
The Cosmopolite
I think that you'll find that Heideran VII originally came from the Kador family. It was he who elevated the Tash-Murkons to heir status. There has never been a Tash-Murkon emperor.
If you must argue with me, at least get your basic historical facts right
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Posted - 2005.03.15 14:38:00 -
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Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 18/03/2005 15:47:33
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Posted - 2005.03.15 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
I think that you'll find that Heideran VII originally came from the Kador family.
If you must argue with me, at least get your basic historical facts right
You are confused by the many Emperors supplied by the Kador Family through the ages.
Originally by: General Article on 'Amarr Succession'
A new minor-family took the place of KhanidÆs family in the royal court and the current Emperor, Heideran VII, is the first emperor from that minor family.
That minor family, as all know, was Tash-Murkon.
Full Amarr Succession Article
Tash-Murkon Family Information
An understandable mistake on your part, perhaps it will lead to a re-evaluation of your assumptions about The Star Fraction. We are not Gallente Federation affiliated. I would hope you and your comrades would accept that fact.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction - Executor CEO: Jade Constantine |
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Posted - 2005.03.15 14:53:00 -
[65]
Quote:
I think that we see here the Star Fractions true aims. They do not want the slaves to be truly free. What they do want is more workers for the sex trade.
If released to the Star Fraction, I have no doubt that these well trained, well cared for workers would be forced to work in sleazy bars where they would be eyed up by lusty Caldari businessmen, or worse, made to pleasure Brutors in some dingy back alley.
Predictable and ultimately pathetic attempt to shift the focus away from the reality of your own inhuman, anti-human practice of slavery and trading in other human beings as commodities like so many units of megacyte.
You see .. what people *choose* to do is their own affair (whether they choose to be sex workers or combat pilots), but the ability to *choose* is the critical element, in fact the only critical element that makes people who they are -- and it is this element that you systematically take away, through breeding, conditioning, laws, religious dogmas, social traditions and every other possible form of socio-legal-religious-economic infrastructure designed to support, justify and perpetuate the horrific, bestial and utterly depraved practice of enslaving and trafficking other human beings and depriving them of their fundamental freedom -- the freedom that makes them human. If this is the vaunted "tradition" which you stand for, and you wish to persist in a deluded vision built around dehumanizing other human beings, so be it .... but it shall not go without a response, and it shall not be without consequences, for there are other voices, armed voices, who do not share your deluded vision.
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Posted - 2005.03.15 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Of course, we have evidence that some of you wish to enage in genocidal actions in this very thread so I don't think I am wrong to suggest hardline motivations within your ranks.
The Cosmopolite
Only in reaction to your own genocidal lunatics...
Example:
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Atandros:
You're, frankly, amazingly repulsive and, as I've said elsewhere, personally I wholeheartedly support the extermination of the CVA to the greatest degree at the earliest opportunity.
The fact is that Star Fraction has decided to interfere in affairs that concern it not...
It is Star Fraction that made the initial threat. It is Star Fraction that is attempting to blackmail us - what reaction do you expect?
Indeed we believe that Star Fraction has simply used the issue of the 500 Sebestior slaves as an EXCUSE to attack the CVA. It is our belief that Star Fraction had been conniving with terrorist elements in advance and had been planning an attack on the CVA all along.
The slave auction has merely come along at a convenient time for you to window dress your actions as 'humanitarian' and sieze the moral high ground...
But we know better. We know this is merely an excuse for the Gallente to undermine the leading organisation opposing their Minmatar friends.
We deplore your threats and blackmail and advise that you step out of this issue before you get burned.
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Posted - 2005.03.15 14:55:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/03/2005 14:56:34
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I think that you'll find that Heideran VII originally came from the Kador family.
If you must argue with me, at least get your basic historical facts right
You are confused by the many Emperors supplied by the Kador Family through the ages.
Originally by: General Article on 'Amarr Succession'
A new minor-family took the place of KhanidÆs family in the royal court and the current Emperor, Heideran VII, is the first emperor from that minor family.
That minor family, as all know, was Tash-Murkon.
Full Amarr Succession Article
Tash-Murkon Family Information
An understandable mistake on your part, perhaps it will lead to a re-evaluation of your assumptions about The Star Fraction. We are not Gallente Federation affiliated. I would hope you and your comrades would accept that fact.
The Cosmopolite
Pay no heed to that article on the Tash-Murkons - it implies that Catiz Tash-Murkon is a man.
In 22762 Heideran VII was elected, and that was then Khanid seceded from the Empire. Therefore, Heideran VII could not possibly have been a Tash-Murkon, as they were not heirs at that time.
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Posted - 2005.03.15 14:57:00 -
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Hmm, this *is* interesting...
Originally by: Hardin
If Star Fraction wish to align their 246 pilots to the 308 terrorist pilots of Ushra'Khan then so be it.
As far as I am aware, nobody from Ushra'Khan has been contacted about this. If someone else does our job, well that's not very good publicity for us.
Aside from the publicity problem, as long as we can ensure that the slaves will be properly rehabilitated, it matters very little who actually gets hold of them.
As I said; very interesting...
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Posted - 2005.03.15 15:14:00 -
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Edited by: Discorporation on 15/03/2005 15:18:28
(( Quote:
This was when the Emperor before the current one was selected 300 years ago. Then, one of the remaining Heirs named Khanid II, a young man only who had only recently become the head of his family, refused to uphold the old tradition and fled the royal court. He set up a separate state, the Khanid kingdom, in the vast regions of his family estates and later attempts by the Amarr Empire to reconcile the two states either politically or militarily have all failed.
Background info, wether it is correct or not, suggests that Heideran was from the Tash-Murkon family. Personally, I could SWEAR Heideran was a member of the Kador family. Seems to be either a PF conflict or something we've all mis-interpreted for quite some time.
It doesn't really matter, though, as all Emperors cut the ties to their family and become a part of the Emperors Family
Rodj, you can largely ignore the various heads of Corporations' pictures in those articles, those characters are placeholders. The real Doriam Kor-Azor is called "Sir Doriam Kor-Azor" ingame, i would say the same is true for Lady Catiz Tash-Murkon
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The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2005.03.15 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 15/03/2005 20:52:21
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/03/2005 14:56:34
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Full Amarr Succession Article
Tash-Murkon Family Information
22762 Heideran VII was elected, and that was then Khanid seceded from the Empire. Therefore, Heideran VII could not possibly have been a Tash-Murkon, as they were not heirs at that time.
Confusion abounds in the historical record these days it seems. A sign of the times?
Nevertheless, the fact that The Star Fraction is totally independent of any and all empires and factions is beyond dispute.
The Cosmopolite
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.03.15 15:21:00 -
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Not true, Cosmopolite, the Star Fraction is itself a faction. To suggest it is independant from itself is kind of silly .
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The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2005.03.15 15:26:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Discorporation
Not true, Cosmopolite, the Star Fraction is itself a faction. To suggest it is independant from itself is kind of silly .
Not so silly as you would think - you haven't seen us in action... *Ahem* Anyway, you know what I meant.
Cosmo
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.03.15 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
It is Star Fraction that made the initial threat. It is Star Fraction that is attempting to blackmail us - what reaction do you expect?
No blackmail would be us threatening to release information you dont want us to release, if you dont do what we want. We threatened you with unspecified actions.
Originally by: Hardin
Indeed we believe that Star Fraction has simply used the issue of the 500 Sebestior slaves as an EXCUSE to attack the CVA. It is our belief that Star Fraction had been conniving with terrorist elements in advance and had been planning an attack on the CVA all along.
The slave auction has merely come along at a convenient time for you to window dress your actions as 'humanitarian' and sieze the moral high ground...
But we know better. We know this is merely an excuse for the Gallente to undermine the leading organisation opposing their Minmatar friends.
We deplore your threats and blackmail and advise that you step out of this issue before you get burned.
1). The slave issues brought you activites to the attention of our alliance (which is very young). It was decided that your perversion of freespace to be rewareded with slaves was an insult to all our beliefs. Our alliance has only just finalised its organisation, and is only know ready to take its first stand.
2). We arent Gallente. In fact we are equally hated by all the empires, because we seek to remove their corrupt leaders from positions of power over others.
3). Omerta Syndicate has fought the U'K in the past and doesnt like them. Personally I think that most of the minmatar "freedom fighters" are terrorists. But I also think you are terrorists.
In my early days as a pod pilot I fought against mad men who attacked innocent people or tried to enslave them, and I did this as an agent of the Ministry of War. This gained me low standings with the Gallente and Minmatar empires who are happy to approve attacks against innocent Amarri in the name of politics.
So don't you dare accuse me of working with people like the U'K.
But don't you dare think I regard you as innocent. If you had your way you would claim all space and all peoples would bow down to you. Jericho has told much better pilots then you to put up or shut up. And we have crippled and destroyed forces many times our size. They couldnt stop us. But I suppose your arrogance makes you think you are better then they where?
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2005.03.15 15:39:00 -
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Oh good, the Gallente are involved. I suppose all this nasty slavery business shall be over with, now that the Gallente are involved.
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Majaraw Awalabas
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Posted - 2005.03.15 15:39:00 -
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Edited by: Majaraw Awalabas on 15/03/2005 15:40:09
Originally by: theRaptor
Jericho has told much better pilots then you to put up or shut up. And we have crippled and destroyed forces many times our size. They couldnt stop us. But I suppose your arrogance makes you think you are better then they where?
They are never more pitiful than when their bark is loud and their minds clouded by lack of knowledge.
You are hard pressed to find better pilots than many of those within CVA, your CEO should spank you for your ignorance. I'm told that's a popular punishment within your corporation.
Let the war declaration come, you obviously will be greatly surprised when you face us in battle.
Edit: I forgot to mention how curious your alliance is, all ready one member wishes to have nothing to do with this and more might be so inclined.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.03.15 15:40:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/03/2005 15:43:50
Originally by: theRaptor
Originally by: Hardin
It is Star Fraction that made the initial threat. It is Star Fraction that is attempting to blackmail us - what reaction do you expect?
No blackmail would be us threatening to release information you dont want us to release, if you dont do what we want. We threatened you with unspecified actions.
Main Entry: blackÀmail
Pronunciation: 'blak-"mAl
Function: noun
Etymology: originally, payment extorted from farmers in Scotland and northern England, from black + dialectal mail payment, rent
: extortion or coercion by often written threats esp. of public exposure, physical harm, or criminal prosecution ùblackmail transitive verb ùblackÀmailÀer /-"mA-l&r/ noun
It looks to me like what you're doing is blackmail.
Unless your "unspecified action" is not a physical threat?
Mind you, I've no idea where these England and Scotland places are. Somewhere in the Caldari State perhaps?
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.03.15 16:00:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/03/2005 15:43:50
Originally by: theRaptor
Originally by: Hardin
It is Star Fraction that made the initial threat. It is Star Fraction that is attempting to blackmail us - what reaction do you expect?
No blackmail would be us threatening to release information you dont want us to release, if you dont do what we want. We threatened you with unspecified actions.
Main Entry: blackÀmail
Pronunciation: 'blak-"mAl
Function: noun
Etymology: originally, payment extorted from farmers in Scotland and northern England, from black + dialectal mail payment, rent
: extortion or coercion by often written threats esp. of public exposure, physical harm, or criminal prosecution ùblackmail transitive verb ùblackÀmailÀer /-"mA-l&r/ noun
It looks to me like what you're doing is blackmail.
Unless your "unspecified action" is not a physical threat?
Mind you, I've no idea where these England and Scotland places are. Somewhere in the Caldari State perhaps?
Nope we are employing coercion. That definition of blackmail is far to broad. By that definition government taxes are blackmail, and I don't think many would see it that way. But it is really of no concern.
After all we are being accused of far more insidious things.
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Babs Johnson
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Posted - 2005.03.15 16:03:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Marie Trudeau
Quote:
I think that we see here the Star Fractions true aims. They do not want the slaves to be truly free. What they do want is more workers for the sex trade.
If released to the Star Fraction, I have no doubt that these well trained, well cared for workers would be forced to work in sleazy bars where they would be eyed up by lusty Caldari businessmen, or worse, made to pleasure Brutors in some dingy back alley.
Predictable and ultimately pathetic attempt to shift the focus away from the reality of your own inhuman, anti-human practice of slavery and trading in other human beings as commodities like so many units of megacyte.
You see .. what people *choose* to do is their own affair (whether they choose to be sex workers or combat pilots), but the ability to *choose* is the critical element, in fact the only critical element that makes people who they are -- and it is this element that you systematically take away, through breeding, conditioning, laws, religious dogmas, social traditions and every other possible form of socio-legal-religious-economic infrastructure designed to support, justify and perpetuate the horrific, bestial and utterly depraved practice of enslaving and trafficking other human beings and depriving them of their fundamental freedom -- the freedom that makes them human. If this is the vaunted "tradition" which you stand for, and you wish to persist in a deluded vision built around dehumanizing other human beings, so be it .... but it shall not go without a response, and it shall not be without consequences, for there are other voices, armed voices, who do not share your deluded vision.
Well said, dearest Maria. The Amarrians care nothing of liberty; indeed, they scoff at it. Devoid of reason and blinded by their vanity, they cannot be convinced by mere words.
Amarrians are force fed superstition and a perverse morality from birth. If you repeat a lie to a child often enough, she will certainly grow up to believe it. Their religion is to them what vitoc is to their slaves. Religion has always been a tool to control a populace and suppress free will, and the Amarrian lords employ that tool with exquisite skill.
They would be a pitiable lot, and we might leave them to wallow in their depravity, as they clearly wish we would, except that they deliberately reach beyond their own to drag other populations into their nightmare society. And thus men and women of ideals and conscience are compelled to take action against them.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.03.15 16:04:00 -
[79]
Originally by: theRaptor
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/03/2005 15:43:50
Originally by: theRaptor
Originally by: Hardin
It is Star Fraction that made the initial threat. It is Star Fraction that is attempting to blackmail us - what reaction do you expect?
No blackmail would be us threatening to release information you dont want us to release, if you dont do what we want. We threatened you with unspecified actions.
Main Entry: blackÀmail
Pronunciation: 'blak-"mAl
Function: noun
Etymology: originally, payment extorted from farmers in Scotland and northern England, from black + dialectal mail payment, rent
: extortion or coercion by often written threats esp. of public exposure, physical harm, or criminal prosecution ùblackmail transitive verb ùblackÀmailÀer /-"mA-l&r/ noun
It looks to me like what you're doing is blackmail.
Unless your "unspecified action" is not a physical threat?
Mind you, I've no idea where these England and Scotland places are. Somewhere in the Caldari State perhaps?
Nope we are employing coercion. That definition of blackmail is far to broad. By that definition government taxes are blackmail, and I don't think many would see it that way. But it is really of no concern.
After all we are being accused of far more insidious things.
There's nothing wrong with broad definitions - they encompass a lot of things.
Actually, I was under the impression that the Star Fracction did consider government taxes as blackmail. Aren't you supposed to be post-national?
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2005.03.15 16:08:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Actually, I was under the impression that the Star Fracction did consider government taxes as blackmail. Aren't you supposed to be post-national?
Indeed we are anti-tax, are you here and now telling us that the CVA is too? It is you that relies on a definition of blackmail so broad that it covers state enforcement of taxation, not The Star Fraction.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction - Executor CEO: Jade Constantine |
Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.03.15 16:13:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/03/2005 16:16:55
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Actually, I was under the impression that the Star Fracction did consider government taxes as blackmail. Aren't you supposed to be post-national?
Indeed we are anti-tax, are you here and now telling us that the CVA is too? It is you that relies on a definition of blackmail so broad that it covers state enforcement of taxation, not The Star Fraction.
The Cosmopolite
I'm certainly not anti-tax.
Taxes help the weak of society, which I'm all for. It would seem that you are content to let society's poor and helpless rot in the gutter though.
I was merely pointing out that that the broad definition of blackmail encompasses Star Fraction thinking very nicely. It was you who brought up the tax as blackmail argument, after all.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Garreck
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Posted - 2005.03.15 16:44:00 -
[82]
Wow.
I'm still trying to digest this: the convention of deviants better known as the Star Fraction have given an ultimatum to the CVA? That startling revelation turned a pleasant mouthful of wine into a stinging noseful of wine, let me tell you. Surely the audacity of the Star Fraction knows no bounds.
Take care in whatever "unspecified further action" you decide on, heathen. Pretty words tend to fall short in the face of the cleansing beams of the great golden fleet. And while I cannot speak for my betters, I can be reasonbly sure that there are other Amarrian militias who will not sit idly by should hostilities break out against their brothers in the CVA.
Garreck
Aeternus Crusade
Aku. Soku. Zan. |
The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2005.03.15 16:46:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
I'm certainly not anti-tax.
Taxes help the weak of society, which I'm all for. It would seem that you are content to let society's poor and helpless rot in the gutter though.
To the contrary, The Star Fraction is committed to empowering the individual and helping the weak through education and training in the techniques of self-sufficiency, be they economic or military.
Our objection to tax rests on both the oppressively coercive nature of state taxation and the abuses that tax isk fund throughout the empires.
As to helping the poor and the weak: I take no lessons on how to structure an economy to help the less fortunate from a supporter of a class-divided society like the Amarr Empire with its decrepit and slavery-dependent economy.
Quote:
I was merely pointing out that that the broad definition of blackmail encompasses Star Fraction thinking very nicely. It was you who brought up the tax as blackmail argument, after all.
Indeed and my colleague theRaptor was right to point out the inconsistency in your thinking. If you support state blackmail, you can hardly bemoan what you call 'blackmail' in others. Moreover, let's be clear, the CVA indulge in 'blackmail' daily when they impose conditions on those who wish to use Providence Region.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction - Executor CEO: Jade Constantine |
Hardin
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Posted - 2005.03.15 17:33:00 -
[84]
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Moreover, let's be clear, the CVA indulge in 'blackmail' daily when they impose conditions on those who wish to use Providence Region.
What a load of boll.... ermmm.... misconceptions.
Firstly the CVA only has an interest in a small part of Providence - the area which borders Amarr space.
Nor do we even claim that area - we simply patrol it to encourage open trade and business FOR ALL peaceful pilots through the minimisation of piracy.
The ONLY condition we impose on pilots is that they do not pirate while in that area.
That is it!
I do not know how a condition which in fact protects the liberty of a region's inhabitants and promotes economic vibrancy can be seen as blackmail.
It seem that you betray your own ignorance with every post you make...
I say this not to mock you but in the vain hope that you realise the just how misinformed you have clearly been by Minmatar propgandists and to save you from other more painful mistakes...
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Alexander Rahl
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Posted - 2005.03.15 17:34:00 -
[85]
I rarely respond in these communication channels but I will now.
To The Star Fraction I say this, if you are prepared to step up to the plate and be counted then go ahead but be warned, the CVA have never feared War and if War heads our way then best be prepared for we are ready.
Fear us, because if you ever underestimate our efforts then you will pay in Blood, Death and Clone renewals.
Amarr Victor....
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Head of House Rahl
Warleader of the Rahl Clans
"Death and Glory, Honour with Courage, Fury and Vengeance"
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Asuncion Ardishapur
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Posted - 2005.03.15 17:41:00 -
[86]
Star Faction, another corporation representing thier causes thru Amarran weaponry and Caldari EW.
I hardly doubt we will see a Green/ Bronze Hued Gallente Fleet face off the Golden Fleet.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.03.15 17:50:00 -
[87]
Originally by: Asuncion Ardishapur
Star Faction, another corporation representing thier causes thru Amarran weaponry and Caldari EW.
I hardly doubt we will see a Green/ Bronze Hued Gallente Fleet face off the Golden Fleet.
Lol you'll not see me command a non-gallente starship Asuncion. But you probably miss the point that Star Fraction is post national. We don't recognise Gallente sovereignty either. SF is an alliance made up of all known creeds and races, its unifying force is the destruction of state control and old imperial forces. Why shouldn't Caldari born freespacers use State vessels? Why shouldn't Amarri dissidents use their racial technology?
I use Gallente ships because I am gallente and I trained with the technology and specialise in advanced drone warfare.
I see no reason the Omerta pilots should be ashamed to utilise their own Caldari technology in the cause of freespace.
Star Fraction
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The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2005.03.15 17:55:00 -
[88]
Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 15/03/2005 17:56:15
Originally by: Hardin
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Moreover, let's be clear, the CVA indulge in 'blackmail' daily when they impose conditions on those who wish to use Providence Region.
What a load of boll.... ermmm.... misconceptions.
Firstly the CVA only has an interest in a small part of Providence - the area which borders Amarr space.
I know this, I referred to the region because you are operating in that region, even if it be only the upper area.
Quote:
Nor do we even claim that area - we simply patrol it to encourage open trade and business FOR ALL peaceful pilots through the minimisation of piracy.
In the philosophy of The Star Fraction the imposition of a standing security fleet in a region amounts to a de facto territorial claim.
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The ONLY condition we impose on pilots is that they do not pirate while in that area.
Originally by: "From announcement of CVA 'opening' certain Providence systems"
..requirement to respect the Emperor and Amarr law...
You may claim that the only meaning those words have are 'do not pirate' but I regard them as much more and an affront to freespace principles.
Let me ask you this, if an individual came to the systems under your dubious stewardship would you allow them to engage in propaganda activities against the Amarr Empire?
Would you allow traders to travel through the area who regularly deal with Matari freedom fighters?
Would you allow contracted industrial operators to place resources in the region for the use of Matari freedom fighters?
Just a few examples of conduct I suspect you would look unkindly upon and which I understand are against 'Amarrian Law' and disrespectful of the Emperor. None of them amount to piracy in any way.
Of course, you may say these things are permitted, which will I am sure be a comfort in certain quarters.
Don't kid yourself that what I say is derived from ignorance, rather it a view that sees beyond the rather pathetic propaganda attempts to cast yourselves as 'peacemakers' and 'champions of the oppressed'.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction - Executor CEO: Jade Constantine |
Hardin
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Posted - 2005.03.15 18:16:00 -
[89]
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Originally by: Hardin
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Moreover, let's be clear, the CVA indulge in 'blackmail' daily when they impose conditions on those who wish to use Providence Region.
What a load of boll.... ermmm.... misconceptions.
Firstly the CVA only has an interest in a small part of Providence - the area which borders Amarr space.
I know this, I referred to the region because you are operating in that region, even if it be only the upper area.
Quote:
Nor do we even claim that area - we simply patrol it to encourage open trade and business FOR ALL peaceful pilots through the minimisation of piracy.
In the philosophy of The Star Fraction the imposition of a standing security fleet in a region amounts to a de facto territorial claim.
Firstly, we do not maintain a standing fleet in that area.
As I mentioned our protection comes in the form of patrols and sometimes when the area is at peace you will not even come across a CVA pilot there other than a few undertaking economic activities...
Where this leaves the philosophy of the Star Fraction I do not know!
Quote:
The ONLY condition we impose on pilots is that they do not pirate while in that area.
Originally by: "From announcement of CVA 'opening' certain Providence systems"
..requirement to respect the Emperor and Amarr law...
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Don't kid yourself that what I say is derived from ignorance, rather it a view that sees beyond the rather pathetic propaganda attempts to cast yourselves as 'peacemakers' and 'champions of the oppressed'.
I suppose you would like to cast yourself in this light - after all that is what this is all about isn't it?
Rather than just talking the talk the CVA has been out and done it.
Just look at the number of pilots now operating in and around Kheram, Misaba and Mamet. These were derelict areas inhabited only by pirates... Now they are profitable and contributing parts of the Amarr Empire...
We have been there and done it. We have done our bit to minimise piracy. We have helped change people's lives for the better (as the Holder's award demonstrated)... What have you done?
What you have done is jump on a terrorist bandwagon... Your threat to us has consequences not just to the CVA but on everyone who relys on us to keep their spacelanes free of pirates and terrorists...
You should be ashamed...
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.03.15 18:36:00 -
[90]
Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 15/03/2005 18:37:54
hmmmm but it all comes down to the old "what price liberty?" argument doesn't it. I mean, you seem to be saying mr Hardin that us post human capsule pilots can get rich in your "protected zone" safe from pirates and other evildoers just so long as we do it with our eyes closed and ears deaf to the inhumanity of your slave labour based managed economy right?
When it all boils down to it I guess its just the case that if I had to choose between peace in a society that exists on the suffering of my fellow sentients and violence and warfare and anarachy. I'd choose the latter. And I guess thats why I joined Jericho and why we helped to form Star Fraction.
Your kind of stability is worse than war. And you know I didn't learn Drone Interface V and Large Hybrid Specialisation IV just to watch some fat oppressive regime kick over old ladies and feed kids addictive poison for their fun and amusement.
I mean really.
Star Fraction
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Burga Galti
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Posted - 2005.03.15 18:44:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Majaraw Awalabas
your CEO should spank you for your ignorance. I'm told that's a popular punishment within your corporation.
Let the war declaration come, you obviously will be greatly surprised when you face us in battle.
I regret to inform you but that's not a popular punishment within our corporation.
It's a pleasurable pastime 
Besides, the CVA are blinded by their own religion. You choose to hide your actions behind the shadow of your 'god' because you are too afraid to accept responsibilty for them yourselves.
If it comes to war so be it, and I shall look forward to watching the glow from your ship's hull as it fireballs in a blaze of destruction.
Tales from the EVE Cluster |
Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.03.15 18:45:00 -
[92]
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 15/03/2005 18:47:28
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 15/03/2005 18:37:54
When it all boils down to it I guess its just the case that if I had to choose between peace in a society that exists on the suffering of my fellow sentients and violence and warfare and anarachy. I'd choose the latter. And I guess thats why I joined Jericho and why we helped to form Star Fraction.
You dare to accuse us of promoting suffering?
Do people not suffer during warfare?
Do people not suffer due to violence?
Does suffering not go hand in hand with anarchy?
And yet you freely choose to promote all of those things
Quote:
Your kind of stability is worse than war. And you know I didn't learn Drone Interface V and Large Hybrid Specialisation IV just to watch some fat oppressive regime kick over old ladies and feed kids addictive poison for their fun and amusement.
I mean really.
If that's meant to scare us, it failed.
Apart from the fact that there is no such qualification as "Large Hybrid Specialisation IV", I'm sure we have pilots far more skilled in combat than you.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Majaraw Awalabas
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Posted - 2005.03.15 18:47:00 -
[93]
The Cosmopolite, a grave misnaming if I ever saw one.
You are fresh within the halls of Jericho Fraction. So you might only have heard tiny bits of their dream, the dream of free Pure Blind where pilots can fly safe from pirates.
CVA is making such a dream a reality in parts of Providence and in Lower Domain.
Where you want to do something, we do it and achieve it.
I think that's the final judgement on any alliance. Did it or did it not achieve it's aims.
Yours hasn't.
Ours has.
Nothing more to say.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.03.15 18:51:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
When it all boils down to it I guess its just the case that if I had to choose between peace in a society that exists on the suffering of my fellow sentients and violence and warfare and anarachy. I'd choose the latter.
So there you have it.
You exist to create violence, warfare and anarchy!
You criticise us for the inhumanity of slavery - yet you wish to create a galaxy far more chaotic, disorderly and dangerous...
The entire concept is detesable. You may view slavery as an evil but what you propose is even worse. Warfare and anarchy are not painless - far from it in fact. If you suceed you may free the slaves but who would want to be free in the society you envision.
You wish to plunge the galaxy into a new dark age - a time of terror and destruction.
Thank god such insanity will never happen!
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.03.15 18:52:00 -
[95]
Quote:
You dare to accuse us of promoting suffering?
Do people not suffer during warfare?
Do people not suffer due to violence?
Does suffering not go hand in hand with anarchy?
In'tresting questions to which I guess the answers gotta be. Ummm, yes, yes, yes, dunno (I'm not a philosopher you'd have to ask my cousin). I guess I'm saying you kinda institutionalise suffering and make it part of your economy as a common day occurance rather than tranformative state, that make sense to you? (Best I can do)
Quote:
If that's meant to scare us, it failed. Apart from the fact that there is no such qualification as "Large Hybrid Specialisation IV", I'm sure we have pilots far more skilled in combat than you.
Oops my bad I meant "Large Hybrid Blaster Spec" of course but it was just a metaphor y'know? I wasn't trying to be uber literal and saying "I'll beat you all with my mega blaster skills" I was saying that I spent too long training for war to be happy to sit by and do nothing when theres an obviously unjust crime against sentience doing the rounds.
Ya'dig daddy-o?
Star Fraction
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Majaraw Awalabas
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Posted - 2005.03.15 18:58:00 -
[96]
We feed the poor, and an unhealthy slave is a worthless slave so we take good care of them.
What good is it to have the freedom to go anywhere you want if your stomach is empty, your clothes torn and you don't have funds nor means to go anywhere.
Some freedom that is.
Not everyone can be self-sufficient, I'm sure your blaspheming genetic engineer can inform you of why that is.
The difference is that instead of living in the gutter in your empires, each and everyone, we take care of our own and feed them and put clothes on their back.
Which is the greater thing to aspire to, to live on or die in squalor?
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Yuki Li
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Posted - 2005.03.15 18:58:00 -
[97]
Boo.
[ 2004.07.31 17:31:00 ] (combat) Gallente Police Major strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 427.9 damage.
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Yuki Li
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Posted - 2005.03.15 19:04:00 -
[98]
What can i say? I'm not supporting the Minmatar Terrorists we warred upon, i'm not supporting their actions, i'm not even supporting the Minmatar Republic.
Omerta Syndicate has its own motivations for both involvement within Star Fraction, and within this conflict.
Oh, and Joshua, Star Fraction isn't all Gallente, the nice Amarrians would have to deal with us, too. So not all Gallente ships at all...
[ 2004.07.31 17:31:00 ] (combat) Gallente Police Major strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 427.9 damage.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.03.15 19:09:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Yuki Li
Omerta Syndicate has its own motivations for both involvement within Star Fraction, and within this conflict.
I would be very interested to hear what those motivations are.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.03.15 19:12:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Quote:
You dare to accuse us of promoting suffering?
Do people not suffer during warfare?
Do people not suffer due to violence?
Does suffering not go hand in hand with anarchy?
In'tresting questions to which I guess the answers gotta be. Ummm, yes, yes, yes, dunno (I'm not a philosopher you'd have to ask my cousin). I guess I'm saying you kinda institutionalise suffering and make it part of your economy as a common day occurance rather than tranformative state, that make sense to you? (Best I can do)
Excuse me if this all a little bit too philosophical for you m'dear, but are you viewing this a neo-classical conflict between the forces of law and chaos?
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2005.03.15 19:13:00 -
[101]
Edited by: Tatsue Nuko on 15/03/2005 19:14:28
Originally by: Hardin
Yes that confuses me as well Al Haquis...
As far as I can see Omerta Syndicate, who I have a lot of respect for, are part of the Star Fraction alliance...
Until recently Omerta Sysndicate were are war with the very Minmatar terrorists that the Star Fraction now seem to be exchanging bodily fluids with...
Has Omerta Syndicate changed its mind about the economic depredation of the terrorists? Do they support the blackmail and threats of their alliance?
Or will they sit maintain their convictions and sit this conflict out?
I can no longer speak for Omerta Syndicate, due to my recent change in employment, but I can say this: you presume a lot that might be some distance from actual facts. I am quite certain that the Omerta Syndicate is pursuing the same motivations and ideals it did while I served as it's political officer. If anyone is confused, it is probably because you don't have the whole picture.
However, if you ever thought that the earlier involvement of the Omerta Syndicate in armed conflict with certain Ushra'Khan corporations was an official sanction on your slavery practices, then you were mistaken. I know.
And no, I'm not going to give the "whole picture" to anyone. That's all up to you to find out. Now just find sense and hand over those Sebiestors. I don't like seeing such exquisite individuals in bondage.
Well, not that type of bondage, at least.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.03.15 19:19:00 -
[102]
I think now that we know what the Star Fraction thinks of the CVA and the forthcoming charity slave auction.
As a side issue, I'm mildly curious to know what the Star Fraction's policy is regarding slave ownership in general.
Would you like to see it outlawed throughout human space?
Do you ban member corps and their employees from holding slaves?
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Tarm
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Posted - 2005.03.15 19:20:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Tatsue Nuko
Edited by: Tatsue Nuko on 15/03/2005 19:14:28
Originally by: Hardin
Yes that confuses me as well Al Haquis...
As far as I can see Omerta Syndicate, who I have a lot of respect for, are part of the Star Fraction alliance...
Until recently Omerta Sysndicate were are war with the very Minmatar terrorists that the Star Fraction now seem to be exchanging bodily fluids with...
Has Omerta Syndicate changed its mind about the economic depredation of the terrorists? Do they support the blackmail and threats of their alliance?
Or will they sit maintain their convictions and sit this conflict out?
I can no longer speak for Omerta Syndicate, due to my recent change in employment, but I can say this: you presume a lot that might be some distance from actual facts. I am quite certain that the Omerta Syndicate is pursuing the same motivations and ideals it did while I served as it's political officer. If anyone is confused, it is probably because you don't have the whole picture.
However, if you ever thought that the earlier involvement of the Omerta Syndicate in armed conflict with certain Ushra'Khan corporations was an official sanction on your slavery practices, then you were mistaken. I know.
And no, I'm not going to give the "whole picture" to anyone. That's all up to you to find out. Now just find sense and hand over those Sebiestors. I don't like seeing such exquisite individuals in bondage.
Well, not that type of bondage, at least.
The only reason to have fought beside us against the Matari terrorists would have been to stop their efforts to free their "brethren." Any other "reason" is just a cover-up to please your current bedfellows. You have even adopted their crude behavior. Oh, how the righteous have fallen.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2005.03.15 19:21:00 -
[104]
Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 15/03/2005 19:22:40
Quote:
I would be very interested to hear what those motivations are.
So would I.
Regardless, you should know better.
PIE inc will never aknowledge your claims. We will never back down. And we will defend Amarran Space against all who come to it with hostile intent.
Have any of you ever faced the Golden Fleet? Do you have any idea what it is you are getting into?
Amarr are the people of God, we dont need your approval... indeed we dont really care what you think. But know this, if you come and attack we will be ready.
And your frozen corpses will litter the skies amongst the wreckage of your broken ships.
I suggest you back down on your blustering threats now.
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Ciar Meara
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Posted - 2005.03.15 19:24:00 -
[105]
Any hostile action taken by these gallante weaklings will swiftly turn into a demoralizing and shamefull defeat of these decadent outsiders.
These demands are nothing more then a joke, an excuse for a war you will most certainly regret starting. Our faith in our Emperor, our God and our way of life shall lay waste to your puny ideas of so called freedom and decadent way of life.
PIE Inc
A friend of death, a brother of luck and a son of a *****
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Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2005.03.15 19:33:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Tarm
The only reason to have fought beside us against the Matari terrorists would have been to stop their efforts to free their "brethren." Any other "reason" is just a cover-up to please your current bedfellows. You have even adopted their crude behavior. Oh, how the righteous have fallen.
I don't know how exactly to approach this, since... you are just plain wrong. Educate yourself please.
Omerta Syndicate did not fight "beside" you. Pursuant of my position in Omerta I solicited advisory from PIE before we made our announcement and submitted the datawork to Concord processing. On a few occasions combat gangs were shared with AmAx and some others. Intelligence channels were also shared at some points. Those were all conveniences for the Omerta Syndicate. Absolutely nothing else that you might have dreamed up in your superiority delirium.
Seems PIE are at least as confused about Omerta's reasons for war as Ushra'Khan... Might be because you are so caught up with your own motivations that you can't fathom the possibility of someone having reasons of their own to be present in any conflict or alliance?
Originally by: Ciar Meara
Any hostile action taken by these gallante weaklings will swiftly turn into a demoralizing and shamefull defeat of these decadent outsiders.
Oh, but it's not the Gallente Weaklings you should worry about...
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.03.15 19:34:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Hardin
I suppose you would like to cast yourself in this light - after all that is what this is all about isn't it?
Rather than just talking the talk the CVA has been out and done it.
Just look at the number of pilots now operating in and around Kheram, Misaba and Mamet. These were derelict areas inhabited only by pirates... Now they are profitable and contributing parts of the Amarr Empire...
We have been there and done it. We have done our bit to minimise piracy. We have helped change people's lives for the better (as the Holder's award demonstrated)... What have you done?
What you have done is jump on a terrorist bandwagon... Your threat to us has consequences not just to the CVA but on everyone who relys on us to keep their spacelanes free of pirates and terrorists...
You should be ashamed...
Jericho has been fighting for over a year to end the tyranny of the closed space xenophobes in the north. Our idelogy calls for nothing more. We arent the police man of Pure Blind. People are responsible for their own safety, even if they just learn to evade pirates.
You just make others dependant on you, they will go to great lengths to keep your protection, you arent making their lives better, just making them trade freedom for safety. It is a master/slave relationship and we find that abhorent. And yes we do value freedom over safety and stability.
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Burga Galti
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Posted - 2005.03.15 19:37:00 -
[108]
I love the way you CVA keep trying to slander us 'Gallente'. You should know that I myself am Intaki, a fact I am very proud of. Tatsue is Caldari as is theRaptor. Cosmo is infact an Amarrian.
To be honest, I'm willing to fight you for you even daring to call me Gallente.
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The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2005.03.15 19:38:00 -
[109]
Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 15/03/2005 20:51:33
Originally by: Majaraw Awalabas
The Cosmopolite, a grave misnaming if I ever saw one.
Well, you are clearly completely ignorant of the derivation of my name and I can tell you it is not from the modern usage but rather has a noble history of being used by free-thinkers and scientific adventurers.
Quote:
You are fresh within the halls of Jericho Fraction. So you might only have heard tiny bits of their dream, the dream of free Pure Blind where pilots can fly safe from pirates.
My compliments to your intelligence division but the length of my association with Jericho Fraction is neither here nor there. My ideals have been coterminous with both my current corporation and the alliance to which I belong for a very long time.
As to the aims of The Star Fraction: they are of completely different character to yours. We aim not at the imposition of a spurious and transient 'peace' but the establishment of a capsuleer ethos of mutually reinforced self-protection and self-determination. Not for us a fatally flawed attempt to 'police' freespace; rather, we wish to empower like-minded pilots.
The Cosmopolite
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.03.15 19:39:00 -
[110]
I'm putting my money on the unexpected third party that's bound to arise at some point.
It'd be funny if you declare on the U'K too, Fractionists, that way you can have a three-way
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Burga Galti
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Posted - 2005.03.15 19:45:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Discorporation
I'm putting my money on the unexpected third party that's bound to arise at some point.
It'd be funny if you declare on the U'K too, Fractionists, that way you can have a three-way
Personally, I don't need to war the U'K to have a three-way
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.03.15 19:47:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Burga Galti
Personally, I don't need to war the U'K to have a three-way
.
That's right, your hands are sufficient.
see what I did there, totally juvinile, like
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.03.15 19:47:00 -
[113]
Edited by: theRaptor on 15/03/2005 19:57:35
Originally by: Discorporation
I'm putting my money on the unexpected third party that's bound to arise at some point.
It'd be funny if you declare on the U'K too, Fractionists, that way you can have a three-way
Does that third parties name begin and end with "B"?
* theRaptor slips Disco a large quantity of non sequential bills in a brown paper bag.
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Yuki Li
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Posted - 2005.03.15 19:47:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Ciar Meara
Any hostile action taken by these gallante weaklings will swiftly turn into a demoralizing and shamefull defeat of these decadent outsiders.
These demands are nothing more then a joke, an excuse for a war you will most certainly regret starting. Our faith in our Emperor, our God and our way of life shall lay waste to your puny ideas of so called freedom and decadent way of life.
Gallente? I could have sworn Omerta Syndicate was a Caldari corporation? Look at the bigger picture, please.
It'll matter not, should CVA not comply, i'll be the Raven class battleship turning you to debris. Check your clone contract - i know you old men tend to get a little forgetful, and i'd hate to be the cause of you forgetting how to pilot your ship...
We were never allies, Amarrians. I hold no ill will towards you, So feel free to hand over the slaves and avoid any conflict.
If not, you'll be seeing me.
[ 2004.07.31 17:31:00 ] (combat) Gallente Police Major strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 427.9 damage.
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Burga Galti
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Posted - 2005.03.15 19:55:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Discorporation
Originally by: Burga Galti
Personally, I don't need to war the U'K to have a three-way
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That's right, your hands are sufficient.
see what I did there, totally juvinile, like
Well if you want to take hands into the equation as individual entities, I guess we're talking a 9 way.
your better at this juvinile stuff than me, I must have spent too much time in the wonderful company of the glamour bunnies I guess
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2005.03.15 20:00:00 -
[116]
This will be most interesting. If Star Fraction is so against slavery, then maybe you should take your threats and gripes to the heathen assembly of CONCORD. They are the ones who [for some reason have the right to] say that the slave trade is legal within Empire borders. If you truly are anti-slavery, then your first issue is with them, the multi-empire spanning universal law [*spits on the deck] that condones it. After you've dealt with them, then take it up with Imperials who participate in it. Odd how slavery is legal and condoned, but "freedom fighting" has to be approved on a case by case basis (with a CONCORD sanctioned declaration of war) for it to be legal.
Your excuse of wanting to free slaves is pale, transparent even. You will kill ten thousand times the number you're trying to "save" by attacking CVA. You all really don't need an excuse for masochism and suicide. After you're done, these 500 slaves will be forgoten my both sides, whether they are alive or not.
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Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2005.03.15 20:03:00 -
[117]
You think too small, Revenant.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.03.15 20:08:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Burga Galti
Well if you want to take hands into the equation as individual entities, I guess we're talking a 9 way.
your better at this juvinile stuff than me, I must have spent too much time in the wonderful company of the glamour bunnies I guess
Yeah, I remember seeing that holoreel when I was young "GALLENTEAN OCTOPODS ATTACK".
Always wondered how they were doing.
How are you doing?
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.03.15 20:08:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Have any of you ever faced the Golden Fleet? Do you have any idea what it is you are getting into?
I once faced, and used, the "Golden Toilet", but the next day I discovered (much to my chagrine) that it was in fact an ancient 'antique' musical instrument called a 'Tuba'. I naturally paid La Maison for the complete restoration of the said instrument.
It's a mistake anyone could make after one too many Starsi*****tails.
Is your Golden Fleet a bit like that toilet?
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Burga Galti
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Posted - 2005.03.15 20:17:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Discorporation
Originally by: Burga Galti
Well if you want to take hands into the equation as individual entities, I guess we're talking a 9 way.
your better at this juvinile stuff than me, I must have spent too much time in the wonderful company of the glamour bunnies I guess
Yeah, I remember seeing that holoreel when I was young "GALLENTEAN OCTOPODS ATTACK".
Always wondered how they were doing.
How are you doing?
Damn Amarrians, you never learn.
That'll be an INTAKI OCTOPOD thank you very much. I don't know, some people eh?
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.03.15 20:20:00 -
[121]
Edited by: Discorporation on 15/03/2005 20:20:15
Originally by: Burga Galti
Damn Amarrians, you never learn.
That'll be an INTAKI OCTOPOD thank you very much. I don't know, some people eh?
'Scuse me, last time I checked, the Intaki were a part of the Gallente Federation.
Then again, who can keep track, you're all so flighty..
Ohh, and that's "Damned TRUE Amarrians, tyvrymuch..
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Tarm
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Posted - 2005.03.15 20:48:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Tatsue Nuko
Originally by: Tarm
The only reason to have fought beside us against the Matari terrorists would have been to stop their efforts to free their "brethren." Any other "reason" is just a cover-up to please your current bedfellows. You have even adopted their crude behavior. Oh, how the righteous have fallen.
I don't know how exactly to approach this, since... you are just plain wrong. Educate yourself please.
Omerta Syndicate did not fight "beside" you. Pursuant of my position in Omerta I solicited advisory from PIE before we made our announcement and submitted the datawork to Concord processing. On a few occasions combat gangs were shared with AmAx and some others. Intelligence channels were also shared at some points. Those were all conveniences for the Omerta Syndicate. Absolutely nothing else that you might have dreamed up in your superiority delirium.
Seems PIE are at least as confused about Omerta's reasons for war as Ushra'Khan... Might be because you are so caught up with your own motivations that you can't fathom the possibility of someone having reasons of their own to be present in any conflict or alliance?
Originally by: Ciar Meara
Any hostile action taken by these gallante weaklings will swiftly turn into a demoralizing and shamefull defeat of these decadent outsiders.
Oh, but it's not the Gallente Weaklings you should worry about...
Again, you had no other reason to fight the terrorists other than to halt their efforts to free their brethren. You say we are confused, yet you offer no explanation to refute our accusation. My suggestion is that you offer no explanation because you have none. You joined the effort against the Matari as a grasp for attention. You are simply a corporation riding the coattails of the powerful like concubines, hoping to be noticed sitting beside your master. You are nothing better than the prostitutes you now "defend."
Prepare to be annihilated.
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Knuck
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Posted - 2005.03.15 20:57:00 -
[123]
Edited by: Knuck on 15/03/2005 21:06:23
Edited by: Knuck on 15/03/2005 20:57:37
Originally by: Tarm
You are nothing better than the prostitutes you now "defend."
Prepare to be annihilated.
For the sake of clarity and political correctness, we would prefer 'Elite GalNet Forum Prostitutes'
Thank you, please continue preparing to annihilate us.
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Gryganne
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Posted - 2005.03.15 21:01:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Main Entry: blackÀmail
Pronunciation: 'blak-"mAl
Function: noun
Etymology: originally, payment extorted from farmers in Scotland and northern England, from black + dialectal mail payment, rent
: extortion or coercion by often written threats esp. of public exposure, physical harm, or criminal prosecution ùblackmail transitive verb ùblackÀmailÀer /-"mA-l&r/ noun
Oh dear.
I knew it was coming.
Some numpty pulled out his dictionnary.
Is there anyway to speed up things?
I need more targets.
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Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2005.03.15 21:05:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Tarm
Again, you had no other reason to fight the terrorists other than to halt their efforts to free their brethren.
You might want to re-read all official statements that Omerta did regarding that war.
Originally by: Tarm
You say we are confused, yet you offer no explanation to refute our accusation.
I am no longer working for the Omerta Syndicate. It is not my place to talk for them.
Originally by: Tarm
You are simply a corporation riding the coattails of the powerful like concubines, hoping to be noticed sitting beside your master.
Note how it was U'K and your very own that brought Omerta into this discussion, not Omerta itself.
Thankyou.
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Tarm
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Posted - 2005.03.15 21:16:00 -
[126]
Edited by: Tarm on 15/03/2005 21:16:08
Originally by: Tatsue Nuko
Note how it was U'K and your very own that brought Omerta into this discussion, not Omerta itself.
Thankyou.
Simply changing corporations within the same treacherous alliance does not release yourself nor your corporation from blame. You will be held accountable for your actions. Omerta was brought into this discussion because they are a part of your alliance and YOU have been it's spokesperson in the past. If they aren't speaking out on their behalf and are still a part of your pitiful band of Gallente witches then I can only ASSUME they agree with you and your ilk.
My previous statement stands, pilots like yourself can only procure power by being in proximity to the powerful, it is displayed in your previous corporations alignment with the forces of Amarr and your current enrollment in Jericho Fraction.
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Yuki Li
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Posted - 2005.03.15 21:27:00 -
[127]
Omerta Syndicate is not making a public press release at this time.
If you really wish to take such a hostile tone in our direction, i'll be jamming a collection of ballistic devices down your throat to quieten you down.
Until that time, pray to your god, your emperor, whatever floats your boat.
Probably best you say a confession too, get that whole Gallente prostitute issue off your chest once and for all, eh Tarm?
[ 2004.07.31 17:31:00 ] (combat) Gallente Police Major strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 427.9 damage.
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Tarm
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Posted - 2005.03.15 21:39:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Yuki Li
Omerta Syndicate is not making a public press release at this time.
Originally by: Atandros
After detailed discussion a vote was held and by a 7-1 margin of voting corporate leaders; Star Fraction hereby requires that CVA release these individuals to the care of our officers without delay.
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
I voted against this silly endeavour and won't be personally involving myself in this conflict unless given good reason to.
Pretty public, eh? You obviously voted against the CVA, no matter how you try and sway it.
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2005.03.15 22:02:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Tatsue Nuko
You think too small, Revenant.
No one's ever said that to me before. Quite the opposite actually.
The whole of CONCORD, the Amarr Empire, the CVA and the rest of the Imperial citizens who conduct slave trade are too small a target for you? Careful, you might start to sound like me. And we don't want that do we?
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Knuck
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Posted - 2005.03.15 22:16:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Tarm
Originally by: Yuki Li
Omerta Syndicate is not making a public press release at this time.
Originally by: Atandros
After detailed discussion a vote was held and by a 7-1 margin of voting corporate leaders; Star Fraction hereby requires that CVA release these individuals to the care of our officers without delay.
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
I voted against this silly endeavour and won't be personally involving myself in this conflict unless given good reason to.
Pretty public, eh? You obviously voted against the CVA, no matter how you try and sway it.
Since when did they need a 'formal press release' to indicate a desire to rain a few torps down on your noggin?
It's not like they've indicated anything to the contrary here.
See, this is where government gets you, way too much red tape and not enough torp-firing.
* Knuck wanders off shaking his head and muttering something about 'the man'..
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Redwolf
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Posted - 2005.03.15 22:50:00 -
[131]
Redwolf stared, slackjawed at the intense activity on Galnet since his last sleep cycle started.
'Ho Hum' He thought. 'So many people, so keen to cross words.'
Patience and Penitence, he reminded himself.
Then opened a tight beam comms channel to CVA Fleet Command.
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Tairos Hakonnus
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Posted - 2005.03.15 23:19:00 -
[132]
Can we have a war now?
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Posted - 2005.03.15 23:26:00 -
[133]
I think this offer is very generous and effectively gives CVA as voices of the Amarr Empire the opportunity to make a positive and welcome statement against the appalling suffering you place on our brothers and sisters.
Consider this proposal carefully and donÆt fall into the same trench built by distant ancestors.
Dont listen to the same rhythm of war drums whenever someone says ôplease stop this evil. This is wrong and we will not tolerate it anymore.ö I ask you not to follow like a pack of carnivorous sheep to the wrong conclusions and the wrong choice.
I ask you to find truth and enlightenment without the need for the further pain and suffering of others. Help your nation evolve with this small beginning.
This is your moment to step up to the plate of an expectant universe and end this cycle of pain and evil.
Concord are corrupt and donÆt assume that as they can be bought with isk that this makes the slavery of a race right.
The CVA can make a difference, and we are willing to help you.
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Ardor
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Posted - 2005.03.16 00:13:00 -
[134]
Whenever I see a posting from a member of Jericho Fraction I think to myself 'long and boring posting, ignore it'. (maybe I should change this habit but because of the mass of postings I have to sort out what to read and what not). Only because this thread was mentioned in a conversation with Marin Ankigher and Siobhan posted by Siobhan in another thread this thread came to my attention.
The behaviour of Star Fraction is not acceptable. The CVA will have my full support.
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2005.03.16 00:26:00 -
[135]
We stake out our own path, as incidated by no less than zealous fanaticism when it comes to ward off threats to the Empire.
Your STAR FACTION is no ecxception, we wll fact yup down as well, and let the ever feeting glory of combat speak for us.
The next move is all up to you to decide, and we await by pushing the UK harder in our battle in The Amarr province of Matar...
*aide appears on the teleport controls as Gaius let his final post regarding the issue concludeding if wholy.
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Al Haquis
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Posted - 2005.03.16 01:02:00 -
[136]
Im still baffled.
This could be come very intressing .
Soap and war.
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Masuat'aa Forums
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2005.03.16 01:06:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Jeriel Jamon
I think this offer is very generous and effectively gives CVA as voices of the Amarr Empire the opportunity to make a positive and welcome statement against the appalling suffering you place on our brothers and sisters.
Sorry nope. I dont think the CVA is going to abandon the faith that easily. I dont even quite see where you get the idea that our subjects are undergoing appalling suffering.
Quote:
Consider this proposal carefully and donÆt fall into the same trench built by distant ancestors.
So now an ultimatum and threat is a 'proposal' I dont think unconditional surrender is happening any time soon.
Quote:
Dont listen to the same rhythm of war drums whenever someone says ôplease stop this evil. This is wrong and we will not tolerate it anymore.ö I ask you not to follow like a pack of carnivorous sheep to the wrong conclusions and the wrong choice.
Hmm indeed we wont make the wrong choice. We wont give in to threats of violence and free potental new amarran servants.
It is not us who are the aggressors in this particular game. Rather that honor goes to the fools in the star fraction who dare to order us to change our God and our Empire at sword point.
Know this infidel, we shall not back down from our Emperor and our God. We shall not give up the fight for our God. And we shall never stop defending the Empire and its ways. What this means is that the swordpoint that the Star Fraction thinks they hold will be parried harmlessly, and we shall sink our riposte into the guts of any who dare attack us.
We do not seek this fight. If provoked, however, we will finish it.
NOBISCUM DEUS! NOBISCUM DEUS! NOBISCUM DEUS!
(note from translator, archaic language, It probably means something on the lines of 'God is with us'. Translator is not entirely sure of this though as the dialect is ancient.)
Reconsider such foolish action before your action rebounds back on you and the combined fire of the Golden Fleet introduces you to vaccume. For God is on our side, not on yours.
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Feral
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Posted - 2005.03.16 01:07:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Jakk Graiseach
It's a mistake anyone could make after one too many Starsi*****tails.
Dont blame us for your state of mind. It is a well known fact that Starsi is a non-alcoholic drink.
On a more related note, I have always been of the opinion that each empire is entitled to run itself as it sees fit. I may not agree with slavery, but there again, I dont agree with terrorism. Both interfere with profit margins.
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Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2005.03.16 01:18:00 -
[139]
Okey Tarm, I'll get right to writing up a statement for a corporation that no longer employs my services. Seems just so... appropriate...
Fact remains that you have closed your mind when it comes to the reasons for Omerta's old war, apparently even thinking that we were allies or fighting beside each other or something. Which is completely ludicrous. If you think Omerta's reason for fighting certain terrorist corporations had anything at all to do with you, you suffer from delusions of grandeur. You were just a convenience for Omerta - talking to you made the job that Omerta was doing for reasons entirely her own easier.
And I certainly don't remember ever hearing anything about Omerta combat pilots flying alongside PIE in battle. We saw some of you a couple of times in Amarr space, but most of the time we fought the terrorist on our own in their homeground...
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2005.03.16 01:29:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Tarm
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
I voted against this silly endeavour and won't be personally involving myself in this conflict unless given good reason to.
Pretty public, eh? You obviously voted against the CVA, no matter how you try and sway it.
So you're calling me a liar are you Tarm.
Noted.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2005.03.16 01:43:00 -
[141]
No. He was refering to Omerta Tyrrax.
We know you voted against this stupidity.
Therefor we know which side Omerta is on.
Nobiscum Deus! Ave Doriam II! |
Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.03.16 01:44:00 -
[142]
Quote:
"So you're calling me a liar are you Tarm.
Noted."
Actually I believe he was calling the "other" guy a liar not you. A 7-1 vote. You opposed it and the "other" guy said "were not making a statement". As you Tyraxx were the "-1" vote we can assume the other party was in favor.
These elite slaves are a gift from an Imperial Holder to the CVA for duties performed. We will not relinquish them to the extortion ridden decandents from the Fraction.
I have heard the tales of your "parties" in Sinq Liason with the Glamour Bunnies and I must say I am stunned. As a holy man such outward displays of hedionism and lust are simply evil.
To think such unholy creatures would presume to extort slaves from any Amarrian is an outrage.
Archbishop
VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS
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Bastables
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Posted - 2005.03.16 02:07:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
No. He was refering to Omerta Tyrrax.
We know you voted against this stupidity.
Therefor we know which side Omerta is on.
Which is presumably why I'm being locked up by pie forces in amarr.
Intent is remembred
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Nooey
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Posted - 2005.03.16 02:27:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
If you think that we in the CVA are hardliners, you obviously haven't read the policies of some of the pro-Reclaiming corporations out there.
PIE Announcement:
It is the long term goal of the CVA and its allies to 'reclaim' this corridor in Providence for the Amarr Empire and gain Concord recogniton of Amarr sovereignty over this region. We feel it is time for the Amarr Empire to once again extend its influence and muscle.
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Nooey
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Posted - 2005.03.16 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Moreover, let's be clear, the CVA indulge in 'blackmail' daily when they impose conditions on those who wish to use Providence Region.
What a load of boll.... ermmm.... misconceptions.
Firstly the CVA only has an interest in a small part of Providence - the area which borders Amarr space.
Nor do we even claim that area - we simply patrol it to encourage open trade and business FOR ALL peaceful pilots through the minimisation of piracy.
The ONLY condition we impose on pilots is that they do not pirate while in that area.
That is it!
I do not know how a condition which in fact protects the liberty of a region's inhabitants and promotes economic vibrancy can be seen as blackmail.
From the PIE announcements:
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The Amarr-only Curatores Veritatis Alliance (CVA) is pleased to announce that the Gemodi, Chamune, Yong, Bihpi, Mamet, Misaba, Ziriert, Hoshoun, Valmu, Unefish & Kheram systems are open for business.
We welcome law abiding Corporations and pilots (particularly Amarrians) to join us in making the region an economic powerhouse of the Amarr Empire. There are no conditions to operating in the area apart from a requirement to respect the Emperor and Amarr law (Basically no pirating!)
That's a whopping exception to this spurious argument of "No Conditions"
Unless you think Amarrian law = "Basically no pirating".
And has nothing to do with the daily enforcement of close-minded and dogmatic slavery, and denial of TRUE freespace.
Originally by: Hardin
It seem that you betray your own ignorance with every post you make...
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Tarm
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Posted - 2005.03.16 03:47:00 -
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Edited by: Tarm on 16/03/2005 03:46:54
Tyrrax, I'm not calling you a liar, I know you voted against this madness.
Star Fraction is going to bite off quite a bit more than it can swallow, and I'm afraid you've made a good decision to stand aside.
Tatsue, the fact that you insinuated that PIE and the CVA do not make incursions into Matari space shows just how completely oblivious you really are. Not only do we make daily patrols into the area, I have flown next to Yuki Li in combat several times... funny I never saw you around. I hope your miserable "alliance" actually has the guts to file war declaration paperwork, podding you would be quite a fitting end to this little squabble.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
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Posted - 2005.03.16 04:49:00 -
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Oopsie misread. Nevermind me. 
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2005.03.16 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: Nooey
PIE Announcement:
It is the long term goal of the CVA and its allies to 'reclaim' this corridor in Providence for the Amarr Empire and gain Concord recogniton of Amarr sovereignty over this region. We feel it is time for the Amarr Empire to once again extend its influence and muscle.
Why dont you talk to Bestables here about what his opinion of what the reclaiming should be?
The area was dominated by pirates and scum and made unlivible to the peaceful Amarran buisnessmen who would have made it a prosperous region of the Empire otherwise.
We reclaimed it from those pirates and now it is a prosperous section of the Empire once more.
The Reclaiming that Rodj speaks of is something a little more offensive. Such as invading the entirety of Minmatar space and reenslaving or killing every last minnie into the service of God.
Not quite the same thing eh? Killing pirates in Imperial territory, and setting up a patrolled buffer zone in upper providence is helpful to the entire state.
Though I would wonder that you would bother telling us that we arent holding it according to freespace ideals...
Of course we arent. What in God's name do you expect, us to free the area for the Empire, and then let any and all servants of opposition factions to the Empire have free speech?
Im sorry but if you wish to take advantage of our blood and sweat in clearing out the Deliverance corridor, you better damn well at least respect our Emperor and Empire.
When someone asks what they need to do to be allowed access into Deliverance, the simple answer is, dont do anything that would harm the Emperor or the Empire and do not pirate period.
If you are stupid enough to wish to fight us over our rights as the Chosen of God, you may. God knows that we are no stranger to large numbers of targets to shoot.
And still, if you think we are conservative, try talking to Bestables some time. He makes me look like a bloody liberal.
Oh and Bestables mate... I think you may have annoyed some of the boys in the last few months at some point or another with some of your more antagonistic rhetoric towards the Emperor. You probably should stay out of Amarr if your alliance declares, because I cant say that we wont shoot at any thing that pops up red.
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Tar Kovsky
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Posted - 2005.03.16 05:42:00 -
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Edited by: Tar Kovsky on 16/03/2005 05:44:44
Bless you, Star Fraction, for some amusing banter. This place was getting stale.
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Bastables
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Posted - 2005.03.16 05:56:00 -
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Edited by: Bastables on 16/03/2005 05:58:46
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Originally by: Nooey
PIE Announcement:
Oh and Bestables mate... I think you may have annoyed some of the boys in the last few months at some point or another with some of your more antagonistic rhetoric towards the Emperor. You probably should stay out of Amarr if your alliance declares, because I cant say that we wont shoot at any thing that pops up red.
Yeah the usual PIE threats. Espically irritaing as I've been trying to stop this war.
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Seto Mazzarotto
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Posted - 2005.03.16 06:36:00 -
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Edited by: Seto Mazzarotto on 16/03/2005 06:39:37
Caldari State anti-Gallente rhetoric, Amarrian pro-slavery self-justifying rhetoric. It's all the same. All designed to mislead a populace into sanctifying itself; to give it a purpose that it can't otherwise perform and still be able to sleep at night.
You talk of proper treatment of slaves. Yet though they have built everything you stake Amarrian might on, there is no possible end to their journey aside from the embrace of death. Like cogs in a machine to be replaced, thrown away when they wear out.
You should consider yourself lucky that working-class Caldari are themselves too work-worn and blinded to their oppression to pay proper attention to your affairs. The last thing you need is another enemy right now.
As a pilot for Star Fraction, I'm sworn to the carrying out and defense of what it stands for. The difference is that I choose this path; as all humanity should be granted freedom of choice, regardless of consequence.
Do yourself a favor. Do your duty as a citizen of humanity.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.03.16 07:18:00 -
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I think everyone has already said enough in this GalNet thread particularly as the shooting has not even started yet...
I am requesting PIE pilots to leave this communication alone for now.
It is obvious where we stand and where Star Fraction stands.
We will not give in to their threats and blackmail so we will await their next step with interest...
If it comes to war then so be it...
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.03.16 08:26:00 -
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Originally by: Bastables
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
No. He was refering to Omerta Tyrrax.
We know you voted against this stupidity.
Therefor we know which side Omerta is on.
Which is presumably why I'm being locked up by pie forces in amarr.
Intent is remembred
I am not aware of any agressive actions by PIE vessels towards yourself, Bastables.
I shall investigate further.
Your corporation's stance in this debate has been noted, and we appreciate the efforts of any voices of reason within the SF.
However, I must point out that should the SF declare war on the CVA, it is impossible for CVA commanders to guarantee the safety of pilots who oppossed the war, but nevertheless went along with the war declaration.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.03.16 08:28:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/03/2005 08:30:02
Originally by: Nooey
Originally by: Rodj Blake
If you think that we in the CVA are hardliners, you obviously haven't read the policies of some of the pro-Reclaiming corporations out there.
PIE Announcement:
It is the long term goal of the CVA and its allies to 'reclaim' this corridor in Providence for the Amarr Empire and gain Concord recogniton of Amarr sovereignty over this region. We feel it is time for the Amarr Empire to once again extend its influence and muscle.
Note that that was "reclaim" rather than Reclaim.
It's a subtle difference, and one that I wouldn't expect a foreigner to understand.
And I stand by my assertion that our views are liberal compared to other corporations who have declared themselves to be Amarrian patriots.
Here endeth my contribution to this thread.
Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori |
Burga Galti
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Posted - 2005.03.16 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tarm
My previous statement stands, pilots like yourself can only procure power by being in proximity to the powerful, it is displayed in your previous corporations alignment with the forces of Amarr and your current enrollment in Jericho Fraction.
I just love this part. Normally our enemies try to claim we are an "insignificant" corporation. I also quite like the fact you compare the power of Jericho Fraction, just one part of Star Fraction, to that of the entire forces of Amarr. I think here you show your true fear of that which you now face.
Tales from the EVE Cluster |
Siobhan
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Posted - 2005.03.16 09:29:00 -
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Edited by: Siobhan on 16/03/2005 09:46:15
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Bastables
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
No. He was refering to Omerta Tyrrax.
We know you voted against this stupidity.
Therefor we know which side Omerta is on.
Which is presumably why I'm being locked up by pie forces in amarr.
Intent is remembred
I am not aware of any agressive actions by PIE vessels towards yourself, Bastables.
I shall investigate further.
No need to investigate Rodj
I targeted Bastables yesterday on our return from smashing a terrorist fleet in Lustrevik.
It was a foolish act born out of the adernaline generated by my part in the destruction of a terrorist Raven and five other vessels just a few minutes prior.
I had meant to say something to Bastables in local to demonstrate my intent was not bad - unfortunately something else came up and I forgot to do that - hence the hostile appearance of the act...
It was silly and I apologise.
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Siobhan
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Posted - 2005.03.16 09:40:00 -
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Originally by: Burga Galti
Originally by: Tarm
My previous statement stands, pilots like yourself can only procure power by being in proximity to the powerful, it is displayed in your previous corporations alignment with the forces of Amarr and your current enrollment in Jericho Fraction.
I just love this part. Normally our enemies try to claim we are an "insignificant" corporation. I also quite like the fact you compare the power of Jericho Fraction, just one part of Star Fraction, to that of the entire forces of Amarr. I think here you show your true fear of that which you now face.
Let's keep this type of communications off GalNet - and I apply that to both sides.
We have made it quite clear we are not going to back down in the face of aggression and threats from Star Fraction.
They have made it clear that they have their own set of principles and values - however misguided...
Our values place each other at odds with each other and the outcome will be decided in space.
Let us debate the varying ideologies and their wrongs and rights by all means!
But there is really no need for the CVA or Star Fraction pilots to tell each other how superior or inferior they are to each other in militaristic terms, when we shall soon get a chance to see for ourselves - if and when Star Fraction decides to carry through its threats...
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WilfredTheSmart
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Posted - 2005.03.16 12:24:00 -
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Edited by: WilfredTheSmart on 16/03/2005 12:29:50
Just a background to my story - I lived peacefully in Syndicate before VOTF and co appeared banishing all who did not bow down to them . And if you stand up to them your are classified as a terrorist. I joined JF to promote the ideal of freespace for ALL.
What annoys me about this thread is the fact that I keep seeing the term ôterroristö on this thread by the imperialist Amarr. Just like a certain r/l imperialist Nation they use this term to whip up fear and hatered in the general populous.
Just to set the record straight SF has requested the cessation of the vile TRADING of Human Flesh for the betterment of their pockets. This practice of human trading was done away with on another life (while living on Earth). Only to be resurrected by the large corporations before we left to start a new life here . The workers were effectively indentured servants û workers being A PC word for SLAVES.
This type trading is abhorrent in the extreme. It affects everyoneÆs freedom not just the poor unfortunates bonded to such a fate.
While I admire CVA for keeping the lanes open for free trading and keeping law and order in 0.0. One group are excluded from this freedom.
All we ask is freedom for the slaves and an end to this repugnant trade. If not then my ALL my meagre personal resources (500ml) will be diverted to the cessation of this afore mention trade. When its gone I'll go back and earn more till a resolution is found.
ôOne persons Terrorist is another persons Freedom fighterö
Freedom for allà..
Wilf
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The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2005.03.16 12:36:00 -
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Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 16/03/2005 12:37:38
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Of course we arent. What in God's name do you expect, us to free the area for the Empire, and then let any and all servants of opposition factions to the Empire have free speech?
Im sorry but if you wish to take advantage of our blood and sweat in clearing out the Deliverance corridor, you better damn well at least respect our Emperor and Empire.
When someone asks what they need to do to be allowed access into Deliverance, the simple answer is, dont do anything that would harm the Emperor or the Empire and do not pirate period.
Thank you for your straightforward presentation of the true nature of the CVA 'open zone' in Lower Domain and Upper Providence, Gaven.
At last a CVA pilot tells it like it is: there are restrictions beyond mere 'no-pirating' injunctions.
No free speech where the Emperor and the Empire are concerned. So the question I posed about the ability of anti-Empire propagandists to engage in peaceful exercises in political agitation is answered with a 'no'.
Don't do anything that would harm the Emperor and the Empire. So we can be sure that peaceful and independent traders constracted to deliver resources to Matari freedom fighters will be under CVA inderdict and suffer at best confiscation and at worst destruction.
Neither activity is piracy. However, you indicate that such activities would be forbidden and result in punitive actions on the part of CVA forces.
You may shoot back a scornful 'of course!', Gaven, but a number of your fellows in CVA skated over these issues and I am grateful to you for exposing the truth. Better to say, I am grateful to you for giving a CVA voice to truths that most people with eyes to see were well aware of anyway.
In return, I wish to be clear on the motivation of SF as I see it. This is a personal view but it is one I have argued at some length in the counsels of our movement.
The issue of the 500 slaves was a prompt and a spur to our young alliance to take action against your so-called 'open space' activities. The notion that you should receive slaves as a reward for 'opening' an area is grotesque and attempts to cover the truth.
The Holder rewards your organisation of paramilitary thugs because you have imposed a territorial control over the Domain/Providence border area. This is exemplified by the formal sovereignty you exercise in no less than four systems in Upper Providence. You impose conditions above and beyond the warning that piracy will not be tolerated. In effect, you seek to extend the boundaries of the Amarr Empire into unsecured space and you have said as much, as an organisation, in the past.
This is an affront and a challenge to a true freespace organisation such as The Star Fraction. In my personal view, which I hope to become the stated policy of the movement, the advance of tyrannical, class-riven, slave-based empire such as the Amarrian Empire into unsecure space must be checked and reversed.
This is why, when the war comes, I and others of The Star Fraction will give you battle.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction - Executor CEO: Jade Constantine |
Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2005.03.16 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tarm
Tatsue, the fact that you insinuated that PIE and the CVA do not make incursions into Matari space shows just how completely oblivious you really are.
...you said it, I didn't. That you read something into my words doesn't mean that you have understood me. Which you haven't.
Originally by: Tarm
My previous statement stands, pilots like yourself can only procure power by being in proximity to the powerful, it is displayed in your previous corporations alignment with the forces of Amarr and your current enrollment in Jericho Fraction.
Are you privy to the reasons for Omerta's alignment with the Star Fraction? No? Didn't think so. So you are just as clueless there as you are regarding the reasons for fighting Matari terrorists.
And as for my employment in Jericho Fraction, that is simply a matter of me returning to a previous employer.
But let me stress this once again: Omerta never had an "alignment with the forces of Amarr." Omerta had a job to do, and soliciting contacts and some co-operation with certain Amarr loyalist organizations made the job easier to do. Omerta works in the interests of the State and the Caldari Citizenship, that is it's motivation. If you were hoping that Omerta's previous conflict meant a tight bond to you and your ideals and motivations, I can understand your disappointment.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.03.16 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: The Cosmopolite
The issue of the 500 slaves was a prompt and a spur to our young alliance to take action against your so-called 'open space' activities.
So you admit it was just an excuse then?
After your fellow alliance members yesterday called for a return to violence, anarchy and destruction I think I can see where your coming from.
Everything is dressed up in nice words but for you slavery is just an excuse - an excuse to justify the anarchy and lawlessness you dream of bringing about.
If 'enclosureism' is your issue why pick the CVA as your target? Surely there are larger and more patently obvious 'enclosures' throughout 0.0?
I will tell you why! Because you had a handy 'excuse' to allow your alliance to dress itself up as the good guys - as the humanitarians...
But as this thread makes patently clear you are certainly not that!
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Marin Ankigher
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Posted - 2005.03.16 14:45:00 -
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Gentlemen, ladies,
The slaves I so pains-takingly bred to perfection were a reward for the CVA's service to the Empire. They were not a reward for regularly patrolling the Providence corridor, although one can consider this a part of their duties towards the people of Amarr.
On the subject itself, if the "Star Fraction" chooses to wage war or pursue other methods of hostility towards the pilots of the CVA, they will stand no chance. The CVA consists of well-trained, battle-hardened pilots, whereas the "Star Fraction" seems to be nothing more then a gathering of lazy backroom politicians, with too much money to burn on fancy high-tech toys.
That will be all.
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KhanJohn
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Posted - 2005.03.16 15:00:00 -
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*khanjohn laughs* at the holder scum,
i know quite a few star fraction members and i can tell you oh mighty "moron" that their high tech toys include big guns which can blow holes in any CVA ship...
The CVA are nothing more than a bunch of murdering nitwit fanatics, all you have done by giving them slaves is allow them to become an even bigger target than they already are!
We will find those precious slaves and they will be free!
Reward them if you will with gifts and tribute and watch as we burn holes to reclaim these gifts and triubute for the benefit of all those your evil has affected...
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slip66
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Posted - 2005.03.16 15:22:00 -
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Go CVA, looks like another JF plot to me. Watch out or they will spin you to be the worst scum in all of eve. O wait we saw this already it was the PA war.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
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Posted - 2005.03.16 16:18:00 -
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CVA members, Star Fraction friends, the public... and the holder,
I issue my brief view on the matter in the hope that some hearts can consider another way.
In terms of lawfulness and acts against who I determine as dangerous to space trade, I have the utmost respect for CVA and in particular, the arm of PIE. We have had our differences in view and opinion, the majority of which are still differences today.
As for the holders... they have done nothing for what I would call my good. I still believe slavery can be abolished and may get slashed by people I've supported such as CVA, but I still stand by my opinions.
I do not wish war and any battle between CVA and SF should be on the debate grounds, however, no matter how much I plead, many of my alliance believe it is innevitable.
It will fall on deaf ears, but I implore CVA to prove that they can look towards a future where there ideology isn't so rigid away from empire bounds. I ask that they consider this small act in the large scheme of things and consider handing over the subjugated.
My opinions on CVA or slavery will not change, but I know that this has started badly and must finish otherwise if peace between us can be maintained.
One can only try.
~Mebrithiel Ju'wien
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Eve System > Channel changed to Kehour Local Channel
Concord Commodore > You have got to be the worst pirate I have ever heard of!
Mebrithiel Ju'wien > But you have heard of me! |
Burga Galti
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Posted - 2005.03.16 16:34:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Siobhan
Originally by: Burga Galti
Originally by: Tarm
My previous statement stands, pilots like yourself can only procure power by being in proximity to the powerful, it is displayed in your previous corporations alignment with the forces of Amarr and your current enrollment in Jericho Fraction.
I just love this part. Normally our enemies try to claim we are an "insignificant" corporation. I also quite like the fact you compare the power of Jericho Fraction, just one part of Star Fraction, to that of the entire forces of Amarr. I think here you show your true fear of that which you now face.
Let's keep this type of communications off GalNet - and I apply that to both sides.
We have made it quite clear we are not going to back down in the face of aggression and threats from Star Fraction.
They have made it clear that they have their own set of principles and values - however misguided...
Our values place each other at odds with each other and the outcome will be decided in space.
Let us debate the varying ideologies and their wrongs and rights by all means!
But there is really no need for the CVA or Star Fraction pilots to tell each other how superior or inferior they are to each other in militaristic terms, when we shall soon get a chance to see for ourselves - if and when Star Fraction decides to carry through its threats...
Aww, don't take it so hard. I just found that amusing given the attitudes of past enemies. Still, I suppose I could have worded it better.
Tell you what, you and Tarm come along to La Maison some night and I'll but you both a drink. We can discuss the finer points of freespace attitudes there over some of your fine Amarrian whiskey.
If you like I could even give you an 'intimate' tour of the finest technology produced by the Federation.
Tales from the EVE Cluster |
Yuki Li
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Posted - 2005.03.16 17:18:00 -
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I'd first of all like to thank Tatsue Nuko for attempting to cure certain CVA employees of their confusion regarding our original motives. As you can clearly see, Tatsue Nuko is no longer under our employment and as such isn't required to do so, but it's appreciated.
Second of all, Tarm, I've never hunted alongside CVA. I've been in a total of maybe two combat gangs that involved CVA ever.
We were never your lapdogs, just the same as we're no-one elses.
Your ideology of freespace is flawed, your attempts to claim extra space for your "empire" are simply wrong. What gives you the right to control that which is not yours, nor anybody elses?
The Amarr Empire supporters are getting too big for their boots. Why spend decades training and forcefully "breeding" slaves (you, make her pregnant or i'll beat you with this pipe.) when joe average slave could do the same job with a transcranial micro controller?
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Gentlemen, ladies,
The slaves I so pains-takingly bred to perfection were a reward for the CVA's service to the Empire. They were not a reward for regularly patrolling the Providence corridor, although one can consider this a part of their duties towards the people of Amarr.
On the subject itself, if the "Star Fraction" chooses to wage war or pursue other methods of hostility towards the pilots of the CVA, they will stand no chance. The CVA consists of well-trained, battle-hardened pilots, whereas the "Star Fraction" seems to be nothing more then a gathering of lazy backroom politicians, with too much money to burn on fancy high-tech toys.
That will be all.
Sorry? say that again? If you're doubting my ability in combat, Omerta Syndicates ability in combat, or indeed Star Fractions ability in combat, i ask you to look again.
( Omerta Syndicate kill/loss records can be viewed at http://gsf.killboard.net [FYI] )
This will of course, be tried and tested, should CVA not give up those they've been "given".
[ 2004.07.31 17:31:00 ] (combat) Gallente Police Major strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 427.9 damage.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2005.03.16 17:41:00 -
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I've so far kept out of this debate because it seems to fall into the old "Urgh! We bad!" "No, we badder!" pre-conflict foreplay mold. However, it seems that there are some serious misconceptions about our motivations for laying out an ultimatum to the CVA. This interview between a noted Star Fraction member and a reporter for The Scope lays things out plainly and clearly. I hope it can clear things up.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.03.16 18:15:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/03/2005 18:15:32
Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi
I've so far kept out of this debate because it seems to fall into the old "Urgh! We bad!" "No, we badder!" pre-conflict foreplay mold. However, it seems that there are some serious misconceptions about our motivations for laying out an ultimatum to the CVA. This interview between a noted Star Fraction member and a reporter for The Scope lays things out plainly and clearly. I hope it can clear things up.
An interesting read, to be sure.
And I've no doubt that The Scope will be interviewing one of our representatives and give it the same prominence in due course.
We wouldn't want anyone to think that The Scope was a biased tabloid comic, now would we?
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The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2005.03.16 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
An interesting read, to be sure.
And I've no doubt that The Scope will be interviewing one of our representatives and give it the same prominence in due course.
We wouldn't want anyone to think that The Scope was a biased tabloid comic, now would we?
Chagrin?
I dare say they'll get round to you when your representatives have something new to say. So far the hootings and brayings of CVA representatives have travelled the usual, very well-worn ruts familiar to any regular GalNet subscriber and hardly qualify as news.
The Cosmopolite
The Star Fraction - Executor CEO: Jade Constantine |
Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2005.03.16 19:21:00 -
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As chief executive officer of the Glamour Bunnies Entertainment Corporation and member of the Star Fraction, I wish to make it aware to the CVA and the public that I voted in favor of "unspecified further action" in regards to the fate of the 500 Sebiestor slaves with the intention of finding a non-violent and diplomatic solution to the previously stated crisis. It has always been the position of the GLB to condemn violence and warmongering, and this occasion is no different.
That said, if the worst should happen and a peaceful solution is not attainable and war erupts, the GLB will continue to remain neutral to the CVA unless 'we' or our allies come under direct assault(in our presence) by CVA units. If your intentions are pure, then you'll respect our position irregardless of the climate.
If the CVA is truly interested in averting a conflict, it would be in their best interests to engage us(our alliance representatives) in a diplomatic solution via our forums or in private communication rather than criticize Gallentean engineering capabilties and spouting tired rhetoric. This is not a threat, but rather a polite request for some intelligent discussion and possible compromise for the sake of mutual satisfaction.
Lots of Love(even for Gaius),
xoxo
Glamour Bunnies Entertainment Corporation
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cold lazarus
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Posted - 2005.03.16 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Marin Ankigher
Gentlemen, ladies,
The slaves I so pains-takingly bred to perfection were a reward for the CVA's service to the Empire. They were not a reward for regularly patrolling the Providence corridor, although one can consider this a part of their duties towards the people of Amarr.
On the subject itself, if the "Star Fraction" chooses to wage war or pursue other methods of hostility towards the pilots of the CVA, they will stand no chance. The CVA consists of well-trained, battle-hardened pilots, whereas the "Star Fraction" seems to be nothing more then a gathering of lazy backroom politicians, with too much money to burn on fancy high-tech toys.
That will be all.
This man knows of what he speaks.
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*khanjohn laughs* at the holder scum,
i know quite a few star fraction members and i can tell you oh mighty "moron" that their high tech toys include big guns which can blow holes in any CVA ship...
The CVA are nothing more than a bunch of murdering nitwit fanatics, all you have done by giving them slaves is allow them to become an even bigger target than they already are!
We will find those precious slaves and they will be free!
Reward them if you will with gifts and tribute and watch as we burn holes to reclaim these gifts and triubute for the benefit of all those your evil has affected...
This fool does not.
Being an ex member of PIE i can well imagine the glee in the corp chat now of yet another corp wanting to burn its name into the history books by destroying the CVA. When all they will actualy do is just burn.
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.03.16 20:47:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle
As chief executive officer of the Glamour Bunnies Entertainment Corporation and member of the Star Fraction, I wish to make it aware to the CVA and the public that I voted in favor of "unspecified further action" in regards to the fate of the 500 Sebiestor slaves with the intention of finding a non-violent and diplomatic solution to the previously stated crisis. It has always been the position of the GLB to condemn violence and warmongering, and this occasion is no different.
That said, if the worst should happen and a peaceful solution is not attainable and war erupts, the GLB will continue to remain neutral to the CVA unless 'we' or our allies come under direct assault(in our presence) by CVA units. If your intentions are pure, then you'll respect our position irregardless of the climate.
If the CVA is truly interested in averting a conflict, it would be in their best interests to engage us(our alliance representatives) in a diplomatic solution via our forums or in private communication rather than criticize Gallentean engineering capabilties and spouting tired rhetoric. This is not a threat, but rather a polite request for some intelligent discussion and possible compromise for the sake of mutual satisfaction.
Lots of Love(even for Gaius),
xoxo
The Amarrians in general are peaceful race. We do not desire war. I believe that negotiated solutions to a problem are preferable to bullying with threats of violence, or warfare.
However, if war is thrust upon us, we shall use all means at our disposal to ensure victory. And that includes targeting and destroying the non-combatant units of our enemies.
If you, like us, do not desire war, the simple solution would be for you to persuade your allies to not declare war on us.
If you wish to discuss this further, I'm sure that any senior CVA officer would be happy to talk to you privately.
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Lianhaun
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Posted - 2005.03.16 22:43:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
The Amarrians in general are peaceful race. We do not desire war. I believe that negotiated solutions to a problem are preferable to bullying with threats of violence, or warfare.
I'm afraid that is all you can expect of the Gallente, talk and talk, more meetings in backrooms and old fashioned ideology, which buys you nothing. In fact, you may be losing time and isk in dealinsg with them.
Originally by: Rodj Blake
However, if war is thrust upon us, we shall use all means at our disposal to ensure victory. And that includes targeting and destroying the non-combatant units of our enemies.
This is why you are the winning side, you seem to realise that at a certain point talk is over and there needs to be action.
Originally by: Rodj Blake
If you, like us, do not desire war, the simple solution would be for you to persuade your allies to not declare war on us.
Clean and too the point. Praise.
Originally by: Rodj Blake
If you wish to discuss this further, I'm sure that any senior CVA officer would be happy to talk to you privately.
I'm not a firm believer in peace, war can be so very profitable in so many ways. Yet I respect the wishes of the CVA and wish that Star Faction has the clear mind to accept a private chat.
I bet they'll bring exotic dancers just to distract the negotiations using some far fetched excuse, be warned and send your most strong willed and pristine minds when meeting with them
This is not a hijack
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2005.03.17 01:38:00 -
[175]
Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 17/03/2005 01:43:04
Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle
This is not a threat, but rather a polite request for some intelligent discussion and possible compromise for the sake of mutual satisfaction.
M'lady Doyle,
I would point out that an ultimatum, followed by an official declaration of war as of 00:00 this morning the Seventeenth of March in The Year of Our Lord Twenty-Three Thousand Three hundred and Forty-three which is the Second Year of the Emperor Doriam II's reign, is not the most convinient means of engendering 'intellegent discussion'.
I believe that this war dec a day before the stated deadline makes the Star Fractions "unspecified further action" quite clear. It intends to be actively shooting Amarran Vessels the second the deadline passes.
This is not by any means "finding a non-violent and diplomatic solution to the previously stated crisis."
In fact it can be seen as war mongering and little else.
The Star Fraction chose to attack our culture publicly and to send us an uncompromising ultimatum first.
And now you have chosen to declare that a state of war exists between our two alliances. As long as you push for war the CVA will not back down. If you truely wish for there to be peace I suggest that your Alliance retract their unwarrented war declaration upon the CVA and respect the Amarr Empire and its servants for what they are.
Failing that I suggest that GLB and TWCSA withdraw all of their pilots from Imperial Space and the CVA patrolled area of Providence. I also suggest that your pilots be on guard withen the Imperial Provence of Matar and the Concord space surrounding Yulai as those areas will no longer be considered safe.
There is no reason for those who do not wish war to fight one. If we do run across your ships, however, they will most likely be fired upon. The reason for this is quite simple. Taking into account the nature of modern warfare there is not enough time in battle for one to double check what corporation the target is in.
Therefor if your pilots come into our sights we will likely shoot you before realising which specific enemy corporation you are in. This is regretable, but I do not see any way around it apart from those parts of the Star Fraction not wishing to be involved staying out of Amarran Space.
I wish you good luck Ms. Doyle. I regret that your allies seem to have no intention of pursueing any action save war in this matter and hope that peaceloving folk can halt this before it starts.
For if you start it, we will not back down.
Kyrie Eleison,
His Lord The Vice-Admiral Gaven Lok'ri
PIE inc.
Nobiscum Deus! Ave Doriam II! |
Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2005.03.17 02:08:00 -
[176]
Quote:
The Amarrians in general are peaceful race. We do not desire war.
The actions and laws you make influence war. So this comment should not be in your vocab. Please stop lying to everyone.
-The Frig-
Famine Aligher'ri, of The Aligher'ri
-The Frig- |
KhanJohn
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Posted - 2005.03.17 08:57:00 -
[177]
Quote:
This fool does not.
Whos more the fool, the fool who speaks truth or the one who has nothing better to do than quote crap!
Quote:
Being an ex member of PIE i can well imagine the glee in the corp chat now of yet another corp wanting to burn its name into the history books by destroying the CVA. When all they will actualy do is just burn
Cold you chose to leave PIE so go back to whatever little hole you now reside in and get out of my way, unless of ourse you are going to rejoin PIE so we can once again meet in battle..
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Xavian Vaar
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Posted - 2005.03.17 10:34:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Marin Ankigher
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The slaves I so pains-takingly bred to perfection
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Direct eugenic practices and selective breeding have made these slaves into something that is no longer minmatar. They are not only owned by Amarr, but Amarr created them. Zoar and Sons probably even have the patent.
Properly reared slaves have no will of their own. They have no knowledge of anything beyond obedient service to God and to their master. They likely would not survive on their own if released. It's also very likely wild Minmatar would kill them because they smell different.
Releasing these creatures would be improper, and above all inhumane.
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Kendar Zek
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Posted - 2005.03.17 10:49:00 -
[179]
Edited by: Kendar Zek on 17/03/2005 10:50:51
Well, this is certainly an interesting development.
I'm not certain what the going rate is for slaves, as I find the practice of slavery distasteful, but in an effort to settle the issue peacefully, and to avoid the anarchists of Empress Jade's New Utopia from inflating their egos any further, I'd like to offer 20 million ISK to the current owner of the so-called Sebiestor 500 to acquire them before the auction.
It is my understanding that under Amarr law, my intentions with the product after the sale are of no concern to the seller, and I am not required to disclose such information. Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.
Assuming the offer is acceptable, please contact me via EVE-mail to arrange delivery to myself or a designated agent.
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2005.03.17 10:53:00 -
[180]
Edited by: Khaldorn Murino on 17/03/2005 10:52:50
These are people. They belong to no man.
It pains me to see them being used in such a way. Bartered as if they were nothing but commodities.
We will come for our people. We will bring them home. For that is all we care about.
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"Whenever I hear any one arguing for slavery I feel a strong impulse to see it tried on him personally." - Unknown Warrior
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.03.17 12:03:00 -
[181]
Originally by: Khaldorn Murino
Edited by: Khaldorn Murino on 17/03/2005 10:52:50
These are people. They belong to no man.
It pains me to see them being used in such a way. Bartered as if they were nothing but commodities.
We will come for our people. We will bring them home. For that is all we care about.
Rather naive of you, as they're bought and sold daily all over the Empire. That implies to me that they are property.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2005.03.17 12:44:00 -
[182]
Edited by: GoGo Yubari on 17/03/2005 12:49:34
Originally by: Discorporation
'Scuse me, last time I checked, the Intaki were a part of the Gallente Federation.
Check again.
Not all of us are Federalist lapdogs. Indeed, a sizable portion of us formed the first freespace enclave in the galactic frontier.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.03.17 12:54:00 -
[183]
Originally by: GoGo Yubari
Check again.
Not all of us are Federalist lapdogs. Indeed, a sizable portion of us formed the first freespace enclave in the galactic frontier.
You mean the Syndicate?
Tell me, the Thukker are not a part of the Republic, yet we call 'em minmatar. The U'K aren't a part of the Republic, but we call 'em minmatar.
Why shouldn't we call Intake Gallente? your home world certainly is Gallentan property.
[chuckles]
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2005.03.17 13:00:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Discorporation
You mean the Syndicate?
Tell me, the Thukker are not a part of the Republic, yet we call 'em minmatar. The U'K aren't a part of the Republic, but we call 'em minmatar.
Why shouldn't we call Intake Gallente? your home world certainly is Gallentan property.
[chuckles]
I see even you've caught some of the nasty Federal engineered memes they so like to spread around. Vile, mind-bending stuff. Usually comes with a craving for Quafe.
I've a cleansing program for that if you ever need one.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.03.17 13:34:00 -
[185]
Edited by: Discorporation on 17/03/2005 13:39:11
Oh, memes. Fun.
My favourite one is "There is no "I" in "the beholder"".
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.03.17 16:28:00 -
[186]
Originally by: cold lazarus
Being an ex member of PIE i can well imagine the glee in the corp chat now of yet another corp wanting to burn its name into the history books by destroying the CVA. When all they will actualy do is just burn.
Stop spreading clumsy propaganda.
We do not want to destroy the CVA. Infact we don not want to destroy anyone. But we will interfere in what happens in free space, and we will attempt to destroy the imperialist mind set.
This is not a potential war against God (we have many believers amongst our members), the Amarr Empire (no more then any of the empires) or any other of your favourite icons with which you stir up the masses.
The issue of your actions (which are offensive to our basic ideals) in free space, being rewarded with slaves (another thing most of our members find offensive) is what started this.
Yes CVA got "picked on" because you made the news. But due to internal debate in our alliance it was decided high profile, militarily competent targets were the only legitimete ones. You just happend to be the perfect symbol of what we fight against, and would give us a decent fight. We do not wish to smash small corps or be accused of empire piracy against the large alliances as our first public action.
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Hamish
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Posted - 2005.03.17 16:32:00 -
[187]
Originally by: Discorporation
The U'K aren't a part of the Republic, but we call 'em minmatar.
Actually it's the PRM that isn't part of the Republic, parts of Ushra'Khan (those corporations that were not in PRM) have not left the Republic.
The Hamish Saga - by HellGremlin |
Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2005.03.17 17:23:00 -
[188]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
If you, like us, do not desire war, the simple solution would be for you to persuade your allies to not declare war on us.
To assume that I've done nothing less would be a rather enormous mischaracterization of my persona or an assumption of disingenuousness on my part. In either case, I wouldn't fathom taking it personally, as such engenders narrowmindedness and gross generalizations that lead down the slippery slope of perpetual stupidity.
Originally by: Lianhaun
I'm afraid that is all you can expect of the Gallente, talk and talk, more meetings in backrooms and old fashioned ideology, which buys you nothing. In fact, you may be losing time and isk in dealinsg with them.
I'm not sure I could induce further brevity in my statement without muddling the message. I prefer to get the point accross as succinctly as I can.
Originally by: Lianhaun
This is why you are the winning side, you seem to realise that at a certain point talk is over and there needs to be action.
I'm quite prepared for the what seems to be an inevitable conclusion, even if I am a talkative Gallentean woman. However, the avenue for diplomacy will always be open for the both parties so long as I'm present, despite the rattle of wardrums in the distance.
Originally by: Lianhaun
I'm not a firm believer in peace, war can be so very profitable in so many ways. Yet I respect the wishes of the CVA and wish that Star Faction has the clear mind to accept a private chat.
My mind, for the most part, is clear enough for open dialogue with any party regarding this conflict. I like to think I've evolved far enough to respect the opinions of others, even if I don't necessarily agree with them.
Originally by: Lianhaun
I bet they'll bring exotic dancers just to distract the negotiations using some far fetched excuse, be warned and send your most strong willed and pristine minds when meeting with them
I hope they bring Hardin.
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
I wish you good luck Ms. Doyle. I regret that your allies seem to have no intention of pursueing any action save war in this matter and hope that peaceloving folk can halt this before it starts.
It's encouraging to know that we can still maintain civility and an open dialogue during a crisis such as this, and reaffirms my belief that an agreement beneficial to both parties may still be feasible.
Thank you for your time and lots of love,
xoxo
Glamour Bunnies Entertainment Corporation
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Yuki Li
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Posted - 2005.03.17 18:27:00 -
[189]
Quote:
I bet they'll bring exotic dancers just to distract the negotiations using some far fetched excuse, be warned and send your most strong willed and pristine minds when meeting with them
Still planning on using missiles, personally, but sure.
[ 2004.07.31 17:31:00 ] (combat) Gallente Police Major strikes you perfectly, wrecking for 427.9 damage.
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Shira d'Radonis
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Posted - 2005.03.17 18:29:00 -
[190]
As much as it pains me to say this, I have to fall on CVA's side on this particular issue.
Star Fraction's motives are dubious at best. I find it incredibly hard to believe that they are really so terribly concerned about slaves when I have personally spoken to Jade Constantine about this matter a month ago and she placed slavery within the Amarrian Empire very far down on the list of priorities... the top priority was toppling the outer alliances. Another goal which is dubious at best in both its sincerity and its logic.
I don't condone CVA's actions, but in this particular case, I consider Star Fraction's actions to be troubling.
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ôàquod ad ius naturale attinet, omnes homines aequales suntö
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Seto Mazzarotto
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Posted - 2005.03.17 18:38:00 -
[191]
Originally by: Shira d'Radonis
As much as it pains me to say this, I have to fall on CVA's side on this particular issue.
Star Fraction's motives are dubious at best. I find it incredibly hard to believe that they are really so terribly concerned about slaves when I have personally spoken to Jade Constantine about this matter a month ago and she placed slavery within the Amarrian Empire very far down on the list of priorities... the top priority was toppling the outer alliances. Another goal which is dubious at best in both its sincerity and its logic.
I don't condone CVA's actions, but in this particular case, I consider Star Fraction's actions to be troubling.
Perhaps recent events shifted them to a higher priority. Star Fraction is not a static entity; we are always evolving, always changing.
But what other motives could we have in wanting to engage CVA? We don't claim space, so territorial conquest is out. We're certainly not doing this for sport, nor to spill blood for no reason.
We were always uneasy about CVA's plans of imperial expansion; unclaimed space should remain unclaimed. And past history shows what the Amarr will do if a yet-undiscovered colony of humans is out in that region of space.
Personally, as someone who won't let his fellow man fall under the yoke of oppression, I can't let that happen.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.03.19 14:22:00 -
[192]
An Update
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.03.19 15:01:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Hardin
An Update
Interesting read - obviously propaganda or it would never have found its way onto GalNet.
We shall, of course, be capitulating immediately under the sheer weight of your paperwork - right after we finish our ice-skating party in that active volcano we discovered. *coughs*
Now - where did I leave that cake...? Ah - yes. I remember now... Amarr Prime... Pretty statue for a picnic.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.03.19 15:02:00 -
[194]
Quote:
"We were always uneasy about CVA's plans of imperial expansion; unclaimed space should remain unclaimed. And past history shows what the Amarr will do if a yet-undiscovered colony of humans is out in that region of space."
Your logic fails me. We are not "expanding" our Empire and if we were to do so it would be the will of God. No in fact the Providence corridor is part of the Amarrian Empire if you check a map. How can we "expand" that which is already ours?
While the forces of CVA have achieved great victories in the early days of this conflict rest assured we do not become complacent. We realize you are an enemy of great financial resources and determination. While I do not respect your anarchisitc lifestyle of decadence I do respect your determination and desire to fight for what you believe in. Understand we too will fight for what we believe in. We leave it for God to sort out.
Archbishop
VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS
PIE INFORMATION CENTER |
Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2005.03.19 17:06:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Hardin
An Update
Allow me to update your kill list. Melissandra is a member of the Glamour Bunnies, not (unknown). But I think you knew that already.
It's most unfortunate you've chosen this course of action. 
Glamour Bunnies Entertainment Corporation
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.03.19 17:15:00 -
[196]
Just so you are aware Kayleigh we did tell our pilots to leave the Glamour Bunnies alone...
However on several occasion Glamour Bunny pilots have strayed into systems where we have been occupied in hostilities with other members of Star Fraction. Systems such as Yulai and Amarr.
I am not aware of the precise situation surrounding the death of Melissandra but it is regrettable that she has got caught up in this. I know of at least one occasion where CVA pilots allowed a Glamour Bunny to pass safely.
Nonetheless you are part of an alliance that is at war with us. In the heat of battle it is not always possible to make specific identifiation on the blinking red target before action is taken.
We bear no specific grudge against Glamour Bunnies but if your pilots are going to stray into war zones then these things will happen...
Regretable but true...
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.03.19 17:22:00 -
[197]
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 19/03/2005 17:23:16
Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle
Originally by: Hardin
An Update
Allow me to update your kill list. Melissandra is a member of the Glamour Bunnies, not (unknown). But I think you knew that already.
It's most unfortunate you've chosen this course of action.
We do not fight SF through choice. This war was declared upon us.
What was unfortunate was that the SF declared upon us.
What was unfortunate was that a Glamour Bunnies pilot chose to enter a system that was the scene of ongoing combat between SF and CVA forces. In the circumstances, it is hardly surprising that she ended up in a rabbit pie.
Whilst we are prepared to show mercy in certain circumstances to pilots of SF corporations who voted against this foolish war, our pilots do not always have time to check the corporation of every pilot they meet, and so all targets tagged as an enemy are prone to be fired on when they are in a warzone.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2005.03.19 17:24:00 -
[198]
Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 19/03/2005 17:25:22
My lady, We have not Chosen this course of action.
Your allies have chosen it for you. There is no time withen the modern state of war to spend time checking what enemy corporation withen an enemy alliance that your target is a member of, therefor any SF pilots not wishing war should stay out of Domain and Providence, and be careful withen the area around Yulai. For I will not tell my pilots not to eleminate anything their computer considers hostile as that would be a dereliction of duty and risk losing their lives and crew.
The deaths of every pilot and crewmember who have died so far are on the hands of those withen the Star Fraction who engineered. I urge those against this madness to vacate the warzone so that fewer casualties happen among their ranks.
Nobiscum Deus! Ave Doriam II! |
AsheRaven
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Posted - 2005.03.19 23:53:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 19/03/2005 17:25:22
For I will not tell my pilots not to eleminate anything their computer considers.
We have come to expect nothing less from you. I expect SF know exactyl what to expect from you also. No quarter, as you get none from us.
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