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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
802
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Posted - 2012.10.08 22:40:00 -
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Don't worry, I mean it's not like CCP has totally gutted every type of non-consensual PVP in highsec over the last year or anything.
Oh wait. |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1557
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Posted - 2012.10.08 22:42:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Don't worry, I mean it's not like CCP has totally gutted every type of non-consensual PVP in highsec over the last year or anything.
Oh wait. People are still ganking freighters and MAKING A PROFIT.
The total, complete and bloody horror. Stop them, CCP, only you can prevent forest fi--- I mean profitable ganking ~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
803
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Posted - 2012.10.08 22:44:00 -
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I'm sure they'll get to work on it ASAP. Can't have people playing the game at each other. |

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
773
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Posted - 2012.10.08 22:45:00 -
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At least we have a new inventory system, so Soundwave can't be too angry really. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |

Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
256
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Posted - 2012.10.08 22:49:00 -
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captain foivos wrote:Two step wrote:I see Poetic is off his meds again. You seem to be forgetting all the stuff CCP did that helped suicide gankers, like Tier 3 BCs, the destroyer buffs, etc. I don't recall them releasing Tier 3 BCs with the message "Go forth and slaughter pubbies" But it worked ;)
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Large Collidable Object
morons.
2002
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Posted - 2012.10.08 22:50:00 -
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Frog legs are typically deep fried, not cooked. You know... morons. |

Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries Solar Assault Fleet
256
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Posted - 2012.10.08 22:53:00 -
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Large Collidable Object wrote:Frog legs are typically deep fried, not cooked. 2/10
already did that joke
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Large Collidable Object
morons.
2002
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Posted - 2012.10.08 22:56:00 -
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Lors Dornick wrote:Large Collidable Object wrote:Frog legs are typically deep fried, not cooked. 2/10 already did that joke
Well - didn't read a single post in the thread... You know... morons. |

Nexus Day
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:02:00 -
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The OP called a Mackinaw a mining barge so obviously he doesn't know what he is talking about.
Seriously though....
My guess is CCP caters to the people that pay the bills. If carebears spend the most cash on the game then the vocal minority will have to pony up or deal with it. just saying.
Yes, I can envision a game where the players act as Concord. The current motivation for Concord is flawed as the only reason for a independent standing force would be to ensure trade. Concord reacts to any disturbance of the peace which makes little sense.
But to remove Concord you would have to change players motivation through the economy. You would have to set up rewards for protecting trade. Currently the only risk/reward relationship is to destroy trade.
Much like players can join factions they should also be able to join system militias. Militia members would be rewarded like any business, their gains would be based upon the amount of trade that passes through their system not carried by system pilots. Secondly, system pilots would be rewarded based upon the number of jumps they travel from their system, with the reward being calculated by the sum of points gained (points for each system= 1/sec rating with 0 equal to .1) with zero reward for failure. Now you would see people defending gates and defending transports as they activity could become lucrative.
That is just one idea. I am sure there are many more if people put their heads to it. |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1768
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:13:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Two step wrote:I see Poetic is off his meds again. You seem to be forgetting all the stuff CCP did that helped suicide gankers, like Tier 3 BCs, the destroyer buffs, etc. How did that help suicide gankers? Tier 3 BCs and destroyers are cheaper than battleships and cruisers, but if you simultaneously remove insurance (which CCP did), the "help" goes away.  That destroyer insurance was really keeping suigankers afloat. I don't know how they'd manage without it.
Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |

Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1308
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:17:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:TL;DR Gaining new players is good, losing old players is not. Agreed.
So far the changes are worrying, but not game breaking. The question remains "How far does CCP intend to go with the highsec molly coddling?"
Caldari Militia |

Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1308
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:22:00 -
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Two step wrote:You seem to be forgetting all the stuff CCP did that helped suicide gankers, like Tier 3 BCs, the destroyer buffs, etc. And then rolled them all back with the barge buff.
Like I said, I would not be surprised to see some sort of freighter ganking nerf in 2013. Gotta roll back the stuff that helped ganking in stages. Can't do it all at once. Caldari Militia |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1558
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:24:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:TL;DR Gaining new players is good, losing old players is not. Agreed. So far the changes are worrying, but not game breaking. The question remains "How far does CCP intend to go with the highsec molly coddling?" Probably "more than they've done so far". Stay tuned for the next exciting installment of: Highsec, Home is where it's safe. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1400
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:30:00 -
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Maybe if null sec had a real sov system that encouraged null residents to actually live in and use the space, they would not bother with hanging out in high sec ganking your ****. So you see, even though you think whatever happens in null, stays in null, is completely false.
We are all part of the same Eco system. Take a dump in one part and eventually the rest will have to deal with the smell.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1558
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:39:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Maybe if null sec had a real sov system that encouraged null residents to actually live in and use the space, they would not bother with hanging out in high sec ganking your ****. So you see, even though you think whatever happens in null, stays in null, is completely false.
We are all part of the same Eco system. Take a dump in one part and eventually the rest will have to deal with the smell. Well, you see... ganking is more exciting then shooting structures so ... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
804
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:46:00 -
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I don't care about nullsec gameplay at all. I just think that the most effective way to kill a carebear in highsec shouldn't be to join their corp with my awoxing alt. There should be some kind of sane, working, properly implemented mechanic that I can use to do that. |

Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
1912
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:48:00 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Maybe if null sec had a real sov system that encouraged null residents to actually live in and use the space, they would not bother with hanging out in high sec ganking your ****. shouldn't using nullsec space be its own reward? |

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1768
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:50:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Marlona Sky wrote:Maybe if null sec had a real sov system that encouraged null residents to actually live in and use the space, they would not bother with hanging out in high sec ganking your ****. shouldn't using nullsec space be its own reward? Mostly can't use it any better than other sec if you don't own it. Lots of space is owned for the sake of owning it, not for using it, which leads to large swathes of "dead" nullsec.
Insert whine about power projection here. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com |

Karrl Tian
Star-Trackers
1
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:54:00 -
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Wait, if we can set the game to automatically block suspect/criminal actions, does that mean we can go the other direction so no more "Are you sure you want to attack?" box pops up when I'm trying to catch/suicide someone? That would be sweet. |

Nikodiemus
Jokulhlaup
54
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:57:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/10/how-to-boil-frog.htmlCCP feels they need to cater to the carebears, mollify their threats, but all the while they cannot do so in a way that will anger the PvPers. You can't toss in a tonne of changes that protect carebears all at once. That's tossing the frog into a boiling pot of water. CCP has to raise the temperature slowly. [...] Increasing the costs of wardecs. Buffing mining ships to an obscene, nearly ungankable level. Removing insurance if killed by CONCORD. The so-called idiot switch to protect players from their own stupidity. The removal of can-flipping. (cont'd next post)
Can flipping, high-sec ganking and concord insurance huh..... I think you are referring to something other than PvPers. That, or you don't PvP much do you?
As someone that loves PvP I can say that I am insulted by your childish and amateur description of "PvPers". |

Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
137
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Posted - 2012.10.08 23:59:00 -
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Came looking for cajun inspired boiled frog recipe, Leaving disappointed. |

Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1309
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Posted - 2012.10.09 00:16:00 -
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Nikodiemus wrote:Can flipping, high-sec ganking and concord insurance huh..... I think you are referring to something other than PvPers. That, or you don't PvP much do you?
As someone that loves PvP I can say that I am insulted by your childish and amateur description of "PvPers". Non-consensual PvP is one segment of PvP.
Caldari Militia |

stoicfaux
1699
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Posted - 2012.10.09 00:25:00 -
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So if I understand the OP...
The frog (aka the high-sec ganker) is being slowly boiled in high-sec with the goal of getting the frog to jump into low and null sec, where the real gameplay is?
And instead of "manning up" and making the plunge to low/null, the frog/OP wants CCP to implement rules to protect frogs/gankers?
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head. Feature Request: -áDamnation Ship Codpiece-áfor the NeX store.
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
912
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Posted - 2012.10.09 00:29:00 -
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I agree I don't like the idiot switch.
I think your overall vision is dramatized, but accurate enough to build an argument as to where we are headed from here.
Mimidae Risk Solutions Recruiting |

Zixie Draco
Tactical Knightmare
141
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Posted - 2012.10.09 00:38:00 -
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..if a frog had wings, his butt wouldn't hit the ground. Would you like a kitten? |

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2635
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Posted - 2012.10.09 00:45:00 -
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Zixie Draco wrote:
..if a frog had wings, his butt wouldn't hit the ground.
and if dragonflies had doorgunners birds wouldn't eat them  "A genius throws a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that he's going to die choking in a maze of smoke and flame. A hero drinks a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that if he does a split in midair, he can hit twice as many zombies per kick. Drunk hero wins again, wusses." ~Cracked.com |

Hrothgar Nilsson
Black Core Federation Black Core Alliance
127
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Posted - 2012.10.09 00:51:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:\Increasing the costs of wardecs. I think the multiplier for wardecs definitely needs to be adjusted. 2x per ally is pretty obscene, something like 1.5x would be a lot more reasonable.
e.g.
2x
- 500
- 1000
- 2000
- 4000
- 8000
- 16,000
- 32,000
- 64,000
- 128,000
- 256,000
1.5x
- 500
- 750
- 1125
- 1688
- 2531
- 3797
- 5695
- 8543
- 12,814
- 19,222
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8 |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
323
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Posted - 2012.10.09 01:10:00 -
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Karrl Tian wrote:Wait, if we can set the game to automatically block suspect/criminal actions, does that mean we can go the other direction so no more "Are you sure you want to attack?" box pops up when I'm trying to suicide someone? That would be sweet. I believe this was the other half the point of the safety switch.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2514
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Posted - 2012.10.09 01:11:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:I don't care about nullsec gameplay at all. I just think that the most effective way to kill a carebear in highsec shouldn't be to join their corp with my awoxing alt. There should be some kind of sane, working, properly implemented mechanic that I can use to do that.
LIke, say, the ability to set and collect bounties on upstanding high sec players... or perhaps transferable kill rights?
Now where did I recently hear about those very things....  To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2514
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Posted - 2012.10.09 01:12:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Karrl Tian wrote:Wait, if we can set the game to automatically block suspect/criminal actions, does that mean we can go the other direction so no more "Are you sure you want to attack?" box pops up when I'm trying to suicide someone? That would be sweet. I believe this was the other half the point of the safety switch. Somehow I don't think it's going to be any more difficult to turn off the "safety" than it is to make those annoying pop up messages to go away.
But nobody EVER does that..... To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
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