@ OP

I agree!

Agree with what? You bypass aggression mechanics and Concord anyway

Pray do explain how that works.

Pray do explain how that works.

Me patently awaits for all standard weapons to have a .4 or under restriction. All missions to be moved to low, low to be policed by concord ships, low to be renamed high, and high to be renamed as simply Empire, and any or all empire pvp is FW, who have the only empire legal faction weapons.

Posting because I like frogs and oppose them being boiled.

Also: Frog joke.

Q: What did Kermit the Frog say when Jim Henson died?
A: Nothing.

Gogela you're slacking, you missed the opportunity to ask

Q: What's green and smells of pork?
A: Kermits middle finger

Did they make bumping red flashy while I was asleep?

However if they go too far with the idjit proofing they risk alienating their current players, and the current players are the ones that have created Eves reputation as the pinnacle of what a game can be.

TL;DR new players are good, losing old players is not.

So the Empire miners will be just cheery? Cool story.

Are you seriously suggesting that we need the ability to grief new guys simply because they make a mistake (which is what the "switch" is for) as a reason to keep Eve "real" for the old guys?

Most armies in the world would probably prefer their soldiers to have the ability to walk before they give them a gun.

When the new guy "turns the switch on" (as it were), he'll know when and more importantly, he'll know why.

I see Poetic is off his meds again. You seem to be forgetting all the stuff CCP did that helped suicide gankers, like Tier 3 BCs, the destroyer buffs, etc.

I see Poetic is off his meds again. You seem to be forgetting all the stuff CCP did that helped suicide gankers, like Tier 3 BCs, the destroyer buffs, etc.

I see Poetic is off his meds again. You seem to be forgetting all the stuff CCP did that helped suicide gankers, like Tier 3 BCs, the destroyer buffs, etc.

How did that help suicide gankers? Tier 3 BCs and destroyers are cheaper than battleships and cruisers, but if you simultaneously remove insurance (which CCP did), the "help" goes away.

Coupled with the mining barge changes the destroyer buff and T3 battlecruisers are completely moot points. In fact destroyers are even less effective at ganking barges now than they were before the destroyer buff.

Don't worry, I mean it's not like CCP has totally gutted every type of non-consensual PVP in highsec over the last year or anything.

Oh wait.

I don't recall them releasing Tier 3 BCs with the message "Go forth and slaughter pubbies"

Frog legs are typically deep fried, not cooked.

2/10

already did that joke

How did that help suicide gankers? Tier 3 BCs and destroyers are cheaper than battleships and cruisers, but if you simultaneously remove insurance (which CCP did), the "help" goes away.

TL;DR Gaining new players is good, losing old players is not.

You seem to be forgetting all the stuff CCP did that helped suicide gankers, like Tier 3 BCs, the destroyer buffs, etc.

Agreed.

So far the changes are worrying, but not game breaking. The question remains "How far does CCP intend to go with the highsec molly coddling?"

Maybe if null sec had a real sov system that encouraged null residents to actually live in and use the space, they would not bother with hanging out in high sec ganking your ****. So you see, even though you think whatever happens in null, stays in null, is completely false.

We are all part of the same Eco system. Take a dump in one part and eventually the rest will have to deal with the smell.

Maybe if null sec had a real sov system that encouraged null residents to actually live in and use the space, they would not bother with hanging out in high sec ganking your ****.

shouldn't using nullsec space be its own reward?

from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/10/how-to-boil-frog.html

CCP feels they need to cater to the carebears, mollify their threats, but all the while they cannot do so in a way that will anger the PvPers. You can't toss in a tonne of changes that protect carebears all at once. That's tossing the frog into a boiling pot of water. CCP has to raise the temperature slowly.

[...]

Increasing the costs of wardecs. Buffing mining ships to an obscene, nearly ungankable level. Removing insurance if killed by CONCORD. The so-called idiot switch to protect players from their own stupidity. The removal of can-flipping.

(cont'd next post)

Can flipping, high-sec ganking and concord insurance huh..... I think you are referring to something other than PvPers. That, or you don't PvP much do you?

As someone that loves PvP I can say that I am insulted by your childish and amateur description of "PvPers".

..if a frog had wings, his butt wouldn't hit the ground.

\Increasing the costs of wardecs.

Wait, if we can set the game to automatically block suspect/criminal actions, does that mean we can go the other direction so no more "Are you sure you want to attack?" box pops up when I'm trying to suicide someone? That would be sweet.

I don't care about nullsec gameplay at all. I just think that the most effective way to kill a carebear in highsec shouldn't be to join their corp with my awoxing alt. There should be some kind of sane, working, properly implemented mechanic that I can use to do that.

I believe this was the other half the point of the safety switch.

Somehow I don't think it's going to be any more difficult to turn off the "safety" than it is to make those annoying pop up messages to go away.

But nobody EVER does that.....

LIke, say, the ability to set and collect bounties on upstanding high sec players...

Bounties don't turn off CONCORD. So, if they're flying Macks, then the bounty reward is probably not worth the hassle of trying to gank a Mackinaw in highsec. Bounties are a bone thrown to the PvPers, while the ability to collect bounties is made ever more difficult in highsec space.

Selective quoting doesn't paint your argument in a positive light. The rest of that post also said " and transferable kill rights"... which does in fact "turn off Concord".

LIke, say, the ability to set and collect bounties on upstanding high sec players... or perhaps transferable kill rights?

Now where did I recently hear about those very things....

Me placing a bounty on a bunch of miners (or unistas) has nothing at all to do with xferrable kill rights.

Neither of those two things have any affect on anything. 99% of the reasons why someone wants some other person to die don't involve kill rights at all, bounties are irrelevant because A) there are no mechanics that enable you to collect them and B) people pay you money up front to kill individuals anyway.

None of the patches or expansions this year introduce any new ways for people to actually do violence to each other, rather they've made existing means of doing violence less effective and less attractive to a person looking to do violence. Rather, Inferno wardec mechanics make wars vastly more expensive for both individuals looking to wage war (due to the increased costs) and to people looking to hire mercenaries (because of the increased costs associated with both the actual cost increase and the increased risk of both allies and mutal war related exploits). And now crimewatch 2 will make aggression related ways to ruin people's **** into a giant clusterfuck.

All of the PVP related features this year that affect highsec make PVP in highsec vastly less viable and neither of your ideas help either.

Except that both are being proposed for the next expansion.

The moment the "Green switch" goes live in crimewatch, I'm predicting something around or over the scale of the 2011 Incarna rage.

I doubt it very much. The temperature has been increasing very slowly. Most players won't realize the effect the "green" switch will have on the game going forward.

I see Poetic is off his meds again. You seem to be forgetting all the stuff CCP did that helped suicide gankers, like Tier 3 BCs, the destroyer buffs, etc.

I see Poetic is off his meds again. You seem to be forgetting all the stuff CCP did that helped suicide gankers, like Tier 3 BCs, the destroyer buffs, etc.

All of what the OP calls the super-bears will keep the diaper on so they can mindlessly carebear/bot in even more perfect safety, whilst losec remains the ghetto it is, whilst zerosec remains the insufferable circle-jerk fest of immature dickbags that it is

Are you seriously suggesting that we need the ability to grief new guys simply because they make a mistake (which is what the "switch" is for) as a reason to keep Eve "real" for the old guys?

Most armies in the world would probably prefer their soldiers to have the ability to walk before they give them a gun.

When the new guy "turns the switch on" (as it were), he'll know when and more importantly, he'll know why.

Yeah, I love being part of a circle-jerk fest of immature dickbags.

Aww yeah

Happy anniversary, Ultima Online: Trammel, and StarWars: Galaxies (NGE edition)...It was fun while it lasted.

My my, Trammel. Who plays there nowadays?

Excellent analysis. CCP is turning the sandbox into a themepark with only a few rides, killing emergent gameplay.

Who, indeed.

RIP ninja-salvaging, too, by the way:

I shall forever love you for teaching me how to properly probe and use the D-Scan, mopt to mention honing my appreciation for Schadenfreude courtesy of rage-mutilated email/local-chat grammar!

]...] I'm all for ganking idiots but not by means of convoluted mechanics such as people dropping cans marked free stuff outside noob stations and then ganking those who take from them because they don't know any better, hopefully the new idiot switch will prevent this kind of thing happening. [...]

I see Poetic is off his meds again. You seem to be forgetting all the stuff CCP did that helped suicide gankers, like Tier 3 BCs, the destroyer buffs, etc.

Oh noes! The EVE interface is becoming more and more informative. This surely is a clear sign that EVE is dying!

When it comes to the mining buffs, it is simply harder, not impossible to gank them. This is no different in principle than my Dominix being harder to gank than a Destroyer.

If hi-sec is so awful, why is it, by some considerable distance, the most popular play area in Eve?

This is something the hi-sec haters need to answer.

If hi-sec is so awful, why is it, by some considerable distance, the most popular play area in Eve?

This is a stupid question because noone in this thread said 'highsec was awful', but I'll answer it anyway.
Lack of industrial capacity in nullsec and w-space. Small scale miners and industrialists are pointless liabilities in an environment where locally produced goods cannot hope to meet demand. It's more effective to put them in an area where they can't kill each other and instead have them endlessly undercut each other due to an anemic and impotent conflict resolution system.

If hi-sec is so awful, why is it, by some considerable distance, the most popular play area in Eve?

This is something the hi-sec haters need to answer.

I have no strong personal views on what should or should not be done to 'improve' hi-sec. Whatever is done, I will simply adapt to as well as I can.

But given that much of null and lo-sec seems to be largely bereft of players, I am not convinced that turning hi-sec into null and lo-sec is the way to go.

When it comes to the mining buffs, it is simply harder, not impossible to gank them. This is no different in principle than my Dominix being harder to gank than a Destroyer.

I have long argued that the way to go is to make null lo-sec more attractive to players.

The proposed 'Stakeholder' idea may well be a step in the right direction.

Constant whinging about how safe hi-sec is not going to achieve this.

Dear Pipa Porto, I have never used the comparison between ganking a Domininx and ganking a Destroyer before.

Just so you know.

Kind regards, Josef.

When it comes to the mining buffs, it is simply harder, not impossible to gank them.

Perhaps what is needed is for CCP to give up 'tinkering' with the whole hi-sec, lo-sec, null-sec balancing act and completely rethink the whole concept of Eve space.

Back to the drawing board, with as much input from players as possible.

This is against the game-rules --one thing that CCP explicitly names as griefing, in fact-- and can get you banned if you do it.

Ergo, idiot-switch not needed, at least here, unless CCP has stopped enforcing that rule?

And yet people still do it, or were up until very recently, I'll run the tutorials again on a trial this week and see how many yellow cans are in tutorial specific areas, especially the scanning tutorials. I sincerely hope I'm wrong but some people just get off on killing nubs.

The flip side of the new idiot switch is that CCP are trying to appeal to a wider demographic, hopefully drawing them in from other MMOs where molly coddling and hand holding are the norm. Some of the current mechanics are arcane and convoluted to say the least and it's very easy to trick the uneducated into doing something unwise. Personally I hope they succeed in bringing in new players so that we can introduce them to a proper game that doesn't involve cartoon pets and proper PvP where if you die you actually lose stuff.

However if they go too far with the idjit proofing they risk alienating their current players, and the current players are the ones that have created Eves reputation as the pinnacle of what a game can be.

TL;DR Gaining new players is good, losing old players is not.

There's too much hi-sec in the game, it shouldn't be possible to fly from one empire to another without going through low at least, hi-sec is just a waste of eve imho.

There's too much hi-sec in the game, it shouldn't be possible to fly from one empire to another without going through low at least, hi-sec is just a waste of eve imho.

I would not be surprised to see some change in 2013 that greatly limits the effectiveness of freighter ganking.

If certain segments of the player population begin to notice that the water is warming, then redirect the hell out of these potentially damaging conversations with "one day we'd like players to take over for CONCORD." And the rising complaints are mollified as those players forget about the temperature of the water and begin fantasizing themselves in the role of space police. They'll say "CCP understands where to take this game. These new features change the nature of the sandbox, but it's meant to move us to the promised land. So we'll wait and see."

But what is this promised land? Under what conditions could CCP remove CONCORD and not break the game? As it stands now, to turn off CONCORD would be to turn all of highsec into lowsec. And that's definitely not going to happen. Never. Ever. So the promised land has to be a place where space has become so safe, so regimented, so rules restricted, that CONCORD is an entity that is rarely required. Suspect and criminal flags such a rare occurence, that players can become the police, because the need for a super-police is now moot. And this might be the situation that CCP Soundwave envisions. The only real instance in which CONCORD can be safely removed from the game is one where they are no longer needed. Players can then call themselves the space police, except that there's nothing left to police.

Eve is a bit like being at the beach. Most people want to go for a swim out into the sea and go on little boats and stuff but they also like to come back to the beach to eat an icecream or whatever.

Take away the beach and it's just sea, and no-one will come. Take away the sea and it's just a desert, and no-one will come.

#seewhatidid?

Can flipping, high-sec ganking and concord insurance huh..... I think you are referring to something other than PvPers. That, or you don't PvP much do you?

As someone that loves PvP I can say that I am insulted by your childish and amateur description of "PvPers".

Yep, talk shite apparently.

The water is definitely getting warmer..

Stop peeing in the pool.

Until a decent rival game is released CCP can get away with World of Eve(tm)

Just have to hope this game remains playable until such a rival is released

It's pointless, totally pointless, to play a game where every single gate is camped.

I'm not saying that people can't play their game. People can happily run incursions in highsec. People can happily mine in highsec. People can happily mission in highsec. People can happily haul in highsec. My complaint is that the risk/reward ratio is becoming increasingly skewed to more reward for less risk. That is not EVE Online. And if CCP continues down that road, it will eventually kill their game.

When I first started to play in early 2007, folk were complaining that Eve was becoming too easy and that Eve would die.

Eve numbers have actaully increased quite considerably since then.

TL;DR >> It's tough being a frog.

lol...I have been avoiding reading this thread all day just because of the title.

If you're looking for fights, leave Hi-sec.
/thread

Eve is a bit like being at the beach. Most people want to go for a swim out into the sea and go on little boats and stuff but they also like to come back to the beach to eat an icecream or whatever.

Take away the beach and it's just sea, and no-one will come. Take away the sea and it's just a desert, and no-one will come.

#seewhatidid?

You compare EVE to a beach at the sea but conveniently forget to mention anything about the sharks?

Shame on you.

Sharks are a perceived threat, as there are less than 10 fatal shark attacks worldwide each year it's a non-issue... now encountering an orange very tall oompa-loompa around New Jersey. There's the real risk

If you're looking for a place where you can't be attacked, ever, go play kitty online.
/thread

When I first started to play in early 2007, folk were complaining that Eve was becoming too easy and that Eve would die.

So the day will come when people game the heck out of everything "just to get kills" will be gone?

You know, the kind of people who sit on a gate and kill everything that moves for no reason, and if a superior force shows up, they jump into an Orca that goes into highsec?

The people who scream "this is a sandbox" yet they make it a litterbox?

Now CCP wants players to basically be able to undock and get into PVP without having to go through gank/blob pipelines or be a 0.0 renter/slave and use, as the targets, the very people who have been epeen stroking over how great and powerful their leet playstyle is and how everybody should PVP.

So people who want to get into PVP won't have to resort to the lowsec camper/0.0 renterslave/highsec griefer paradigm and can instead go up against others who are up to various shenanigans for the fun of fighting.

Sharks are a perceived threat, as there are less than 10 fatal shark attacks worldwide each year it's a non-issue... now encountering an orange very tall oompa-loompa around New Jersey. There's the real risk

I'm pretty sure that by this point sharks, cars and coconuts have all been removed from highsec.

Not spaceships...

There is plenty of PVP in null and lowsec, why do you all are so eager to kill players in hisec ? Is it because you are affraid of fighting someone who is prepared and expects fight ? I'm tired of you pathetic cries, "PVPers".

Dats a lot of wah wah wah from a tough (keep toes warm, pick on people that can't fight back, nuetral Alts repping me as I hug a station) pvper

Way to go

Hope you cry your way out of the game and then go back to whatever **** slapping game you came from

CCPs game, not yours

HTFU and move to null so I can pod you back to zero sp

Now that's a mad carebear post if I ever saw one.

You're an idiot who has never been to lowsec. I get in and out of lowsec all the time with nary a gatecamp to be found.

Try Otelen to Huola. Or Aurcel to Egghelende. There are never gate camps there, unless a freighter has been spotted.

But what is this promised land? Under what conditions could CCP remove CONCORD and not break the game? As it stands now, to turn off CONCORD would be to turn all of highsec into lowsec. And that's definitely not going to happen. Never. Ever. So the promised land has to be a place where space has become so safe, so regimented, so rules restricted, that CONCORD is an entity that is rarely required. Suspect and criminal flags such a rare occurence, that players can become the police, because the need for a super-police is now moot. And this might be the situation that CCP Soundwave envisions. The only real instance in which CONCORD can be safely removed from the game is one where they are no longer needed. Players can then call themselves the space police, except that there's nothing left to police.

...stuff...about ...frogs...

The thing with the frogs...urban legend.

Or so the hypothesis goes. Turns out it is complete bunk, the frog will hop out of the water when it becomes uncomfortably warm.

Really?

I guess I didn't write:

No.

Just tired of people who have to project a game into their pathetic lives as if the whole damned thing matters.

Roger that, let's start hurling insults when we run out of clever things to say and make immediate and wrong assumptions on other people's gameplay, where they've been and how they play. If someone does not fit your picture of what you think should be the right way to do things, then the person is an idiot. Coming from someone like you who posts idiocy most of the time, it comes as no surprise to me that you call me an idiot and think that I have never been to lowsec.

So you found a handful of uncamped gates in lowsec, good for you. A rarity. I find Nullsec far more appealing than lulsec, but thank you for calling me an idiot. At least being an idiot gives me an excuse to call you out on your crapposting.

Roger that, let's start hurling insults when we run out of clever things to say and make immediate and wrong assumptions on other people's gameplay, where they've been and how they play. If someone does not fit your picture of what you think should be the right way to do things, then the person is an idiot. Coming from someone like you who posts idiocy most of the time, it comes as no surprise to me that you call me an idiot and think that I have never been to lowsec.

So you found a handful of uncamped gates in lowsec, good for you. A rarity. I find Nullsec far more appealing than lulsec, but thank you for calling me an idiot. At least being an idiot gives me an excuse to call you out on your crapposting.

I find it amusing when the bears state that if the ganking and asshattery were to continue, subscriptions would be cancelled en masse.

Yet ... for the last 10 years the bears have had to put up with ganking and asshattery and they've continued to subscribe, and subscription numbers rose and rose and rose.

What's this talk about the "idiot switch"?

Can't find anything on the Dev blog.

There will be a new warning box that can be turned off. There was a slide that showed three dots that are 'settings'. They will be displayed somewhere on the HUD I believe from the slide. But the slide was dark and the room bright. There are three settings.

---Green for Safe you can't activate things to hurt people and get yourself popped
---Yellow/Orange for illegal acts such as can flipping and wreck theft
---Red for shoot all the things and have no warnings

Ok I am in...like that game.
You are an idiot.
Am I doing it right?

Cilcked on link thinking " this is about shooting redfrog freighters"

He said that petitions for 'accidentally clicked box was CONCORDED!' will be answered with, "You are probably dumb". If your safety is green you won't be able to shoot people in empire. If you set it to orange you can do mild things like can flipping. If you put your setting to red then you can do whatever whenever with no warning anymore. So if you set it to red, its your own fault.

Historically, the most whining, the most threats of ending subscriptions, have come from the carebear segment of the playerbase.

I don't recall them releasing Tier 3 BCs with the message "Go forth and slaughter pubbies"

^ exhibit a

Yet look at all the frieghter ganks in Niarja & Udema with the tier 3 BC's
Face it ganking gota huge buff with these glass cannon gank mobiles & frieghters deserve a rebalance because of it due to this & the out of control 40 minute bumping until I buy all my alts the Tier 3's BC's at the nearest HUB tacitic.

Yet look at all the frieghter ganks in Niarja & Udema with the tier 3 BC's
Face it ganking gota huge buff with these glass cannon gank mobiles & frieghters deserve a rebalance because of it due to this & the out of control 40 minute bumping until I buy all my alts the Tier 3's BC's at the nearest HUB tacitic.

Yet look at all the frieghter ganks in Niarja & Udema with the tier 3 BC's

All the freighter ganks in Niarja and Uedama are due to the pilot putting a bunch of expensive **** in his cargohold, thought everyone knew this.

It's DarthNefarius we're talking about here.

T3 BC ganking costs more than tempests used to.

Yes but is that value adjusted for the price increase in everything else?
If everything has risen in proportion, then ganks are cheaper now.

The cost of ganking in a T3 was increased over ganking in a tempest the instant the insurance nerf went through, i.e. before the prices of minerals etc increased.

Try another strawman.

Poasting on page 10 of this years winter expansion wah-wah-waaaaaah dickers getting upset about change thread rage

Go to null

Let me kill you over and over please (no wah-wah-wailing)

Go to null

Let me kill you over and over please (no wah-wah-wailing)

from http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2012/10/how-to-boil-frog.html
And then thesummer of 2011 came, the **** hit the fan, the players were unhappy, subscriptions were cancelled. CCP was faced with the realization that what they did might not be appreciated. The goose might not lay golden eggs in perpetuity. CCP discovered fear.

It was the expansion that must not be named.

Malarky most whines on EVENEWS24, THEMITTANI.COM, & EVE forum posts/blogs are NULL seccerz bleating about how to move HI SECerz into NULL so they have more EZ prey. Your post is yet another whine that everybody's sandbox shouldbe the way you want it.

since you're against a risky hisec, i guess you're for removing incursions and other high-reward activities from hisec

oh wait, no you're not lmao

All these "questions" just another alt trying to act as though there's a great need to nerf ganking.

Look, it's already happening, there's no need to be all excited about it and egg CCP on.

I'm a bit new here. I've seen people here refer to some sort of apocalyptic event that happened in 2011. What exactly happened here? I joined after Incursion released so don't really know what this reference is to... can someone please explain?

Every player meet, every fanfest, CCP Soundwave trots out the same tired vision, how one day he would like to turn off CONCORD and leave policing in the players hands.

Increasing the costs of wardecs. Buffing mining ships to an obscene, nearly ungankable level. Removing insurance if killed by CONCORD. The so-called idiot switch to protect players from their own stupidity. The removal of can-flipping. Buffing CONCORD response. A change here, a change there. Control the message of those changes ("this behaviour was never intended," even when those behaviours have existed for years and never classified as exploits.)

Toss a frog into some boiling water, it's going to freak the hell out and immediately try to escape. But, put a frog in some cool water, very slowly increase the temperature of the water over time and the frog will not perceive the danger, eventually boiling to death. Or so the hypothesis goes. Turns out it is complete bunk, the frog will hop out of the water when it becomes uncomfortably warm. As a metaphor, though, the boiling frog anecdote is instructive.

Incarna was released with it's microtransaction store ($70 Monocles, and nothing under ~$10 IIRC) and anemic CQ, with little FIS content. A horrendously damaging internal newsletter was released (it could easily be read as "Microtransaction Everything"). There was a revelation about that anemic CQ being responsible for the relatively anemic expansions of the previous months. There was an emergency CSM summit (with a bungled and delayed release of minutes).

All of that resulted in giant protests and cost CCP ~25k Subs. That was CCP's summer 2011.

You seem to be forgetting all the stuff CCP did that helped suicide gankers, like Tier 3 BCs, the destroyer buffs, etc.

since you're against a risky hisec, i guess you're for removing incursions and other high-reward activities from hisec

oh wait, no you're not lmao

When tech moons can be depleted perhaps those incursions should leave high sec.

Or maybe remove local in 0.0.

OK, so we've got theoretical FFA in hisec --just ask CCP, they'll tell you-- although I suspect the actual result will be much different.

So, let's take this to its logical endpoint:

CCP, allow covert cyno generation and bridging-to/between in hisec, with the legal possibility to escape CONCORD through same.

Have you scanned a region before? A constellation? A single system?


What's that you say, you wanted incursions, L4s and L3s to be removed from hisec?

Okay then.

I spends months at a time in 0.0, trespassing, and go weeks at a time without seeing anybody else. I can say I scanned quite a few systems since exploration is pretty much the bulk of what I have done since they revamped it.

I spends months at a time in 0.0, trespassing, and go weeks at a time without seeing anybody else. I can say I scanned quite a few systems since exploration is pretty much the bulk of what I have done since they revamped it.

Yet you cared enough to post about how much you didn't care.

The flip side of the new idiot switch is that CCP are trying to appeal to a wider demographic, hopefully drawing them in from other MMOs where molly coddling and hand holding are the norm. Some of the current mechanics are arcane and convoluted to say the least and it's very easy to trick the uneducated into doing something unwise. Personally I hope they succeed in bringing in new players so that we can introduce them to a proper game that doesn't involve cartoon pets and proper PvP where if you die you actually lose stuff.

However if they go too far with the idjit proofing they risk alienating their current players, and the current players are the ones that have created Eves reputation as the pinnacle of what a game can be.

TL;DR Gaining new players is good, losing old players is not.

What happens if EVE caters to carebears?

Somehow I don't think it's going to be any more difficult to turn off the "safety" than it is to make those annoying pop up messages to go away.

But nobody EVER does that.....