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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2012.10.09 07:55:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:If hi-sec is so awful, why is it, by some considerable distance, the most popular play area in Eve?
This is something the hi-sec haters need to answer. This is a stupid question because noone in this thread said 'highsec was awful', but I'll answer it anyway. Lack of industrial capacity in nullsec and w-space. Small scale miners and industrialists are pointless liabilities in an environment where locally produced goods cannot hope to meet demand. It's more effective to put them in an area where they can't kill each other and instead have them endlessly undercut each other due to an anemic and impotent conflict resolution system.
I have long argued that the way to go is to make null lo-sec more attractive to players.
The proposed 'Stakeholder' idea may well be a step in the right direction.
Constant whinging about how safe hi-sec is not going to achieve this. Too old, tired and ugly to care. |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
393
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Posted - 2012.10.09 08:01:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:If hi-sec is so awful, why is it, by some considerable distance, the most popular play area in Eve?
This is something the hi-sec haters need to answer.
I have no strong personal views on what should or should not be done to 'improve' hi-sec. Whatever is done, I will simply adapt to as well as I can.
But given that much of null and lo-sec seems to be largely bereft of players, I am not convinced that turning hi-sec into null and lo-sec is the way to go.
When it comes to the mining buffs, it is simply harder, not impossible to gank them. This is no different in principle than my Dominix being harder to gank than a Destroyer. So answering your own question here.
This is not an EVE is dying position by any means, however...
If High Sec is simply a low risk, high ISK, semi-AFK, fun park I expect plenty of players. Plenty of soon to be bored players or insanely rich players.
There's nothing technically wrong with that - if people head into the wild blue yonder. No point going there though.
Do Null Sec people have to come to High to cause havoc. Technically no, but it seems like plenty of nefarious High Sec activities are being nerfed. Besides a safer ISK rich world in high sec there's not much of a career progression to low or null.
Once the freighter buff comes you will know we are headed for a bad place.
Hi sec churn. WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal. |
Josef Djugashvilis
665
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Posted - 2012.10.09 08:05:00 -
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Dear Pipa Porto, I have never used the comparison between ganking a Domininx and ganking a Destroyer before.
Just so you know.
Kind regards, Josef. Too old, tired and ugly to care. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
42
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Posted - 2012.10.09 08:06:00 -
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I thought it will be something about gallente. About WIS |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air The Unthinkables
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Posted - 2012.10.09 08:31:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote: I have long argued that the way to go is to make null lo-sec more attractive to players.
The proposed 'Stakeholder' idea may well be a step in the right direction.
Constant whinging about how safe hi-sec is not going to achieve this.
I think it's a more complicated answer then merely 'buff nullsec'. Quite frankly, on things like manufacturing, highsec has it so damn good (able to handle high, null, low and wh manufacturing needs with room to spare for free) that inserting a nullsec industry system capable of making that look like crap would introduce its own problems. Personally, I'd like to see it so that while highsec is always capable of meeting its own industrial needs, other regions would be inclined to set up industrial bases on their own turf because highsec simply would no longer be capable of producing everything.
Likewise, the big powerblocs' ability to completely outsource their war machine to highsec where their most valuable production goods and supply lines are protected by CONCORD can only really be broken by removing the most egregious anti-risk aspects of highsec (wardec evasion, NPC corps). These, combined with buffing nullsec so that it'd be able to handle the increased industrial workload, would be a good compromise that would culminate in player-run alliances being able to finally establish developed economies (instead of the resource extraction-centered game we've played for the past 9 years) that would open the doors to true capitalistic, non-feudal systems. |
Jose Black
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.10.09 09:12:00 -
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It's quite obvious that a stork would like a frog to be easily catchable. It also would seem very good at first that the stork population would greatly rise. Hopefully I don't need you to enlighten what would happen with the frog population then. And for sure you would come to a sane conclusion who's next on the list of extinction. |
Pipa Porto
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Posted - 2012.10.09 09:13:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Dear Pipa Porto, I have never used the comparison between ganking a Domininx and ganking a Destroyer before.
Just so you know.
Kind regards, Josef.
That's not an argument, that's an example. Your tired old straw man was:
Quote:When it comes to the mining buffs, it is simply harder, not impossible to gank them.
Reading Comprehension is a virtue.
Just so you know.
Kind Regards, etc, EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
395
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Posted - 2012.10.09 09:38:00 -
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Get a room you two. WARNING: The current poster is erratic, prone to error and generally blissfully unaware due to the taking of many hard drugs over the course of many years - most of them legal. |
OmniBeton
OmniBeton Metatech
20
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Posted - 2012.10.09 10:05:00 -
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There is plenty of PVP in null and lowsec, why do you all are so eager to kill players in hisec ? Is it because you are affraid of fighting someone who is prepared and expects fight ? I'm tired of you pathetic cries, "PVPers". |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
813
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Posted - 2012.10.09 10:18:00 -
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It's kind of telling that you assume that everyone in highsec is unprepared and not expecting a fight. This is EVE, it's advertised as an open PVP game, if people can get away with being unprepared and not expecting to have to fight at any point then there is a problem. |
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Josef Djugashvilis
666
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Posted - 2012.10.09 10:28:00 -
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Reading comphrehension is a skill not a virtue.
Dear me, I am becoming petty minded as well.
Sorry. Too old, tired and ugly to care. |
Shugga Ditz
Chaos Army
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Posted - 2012.10.09 10:33:00 -
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Why you keep reposting your blog articles and replying to them here on eve-o? Not enough people reading your blog? Take a hint...
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Josef Djugashvilis
666
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Posted - 2012.10.09 10:37:00 -
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Perhaps what is needed is for CCP to give up 'tinkering' with the whole hi-sec, lo-sec, null-sec balancing act and completely rethink the whole concept of Eve space.
Back to the drawing board, with as much input from players as possible. Too old, tired and ugly to care. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2426
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Posted - 2012.10.09 10:45:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Perhaps what is needed is for CCP to give up 'tinkering' with the whole hi-sec, lo-sec, null-sec balancing act and completely rethink the whole concept of Eve space.
Back to the drawing board, with as much input from players as possible. The changes CCP need to make are rather simple. All that is wrong for mining for example is the mack needs its base EHP reduced to that of the hulk with perhaps a slight nerf to its yeild so the other exhumers can shine. Missions should be slighty riskier i that yo now that you cant afk them in a domi. |
Spurty
V0LTA Verge of Collapse
499
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Posted - 2012.10.09 10:56:00 -
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Dats a lot of wah wah wah from a tough (keep toes warm, pick on people that can't fight back, nuetral Alts repping me as I hug a station) pvper
Way to go
Hope you cry your way out of the game and then go back to whatever **** slapping game you came from
CCPs game, not yours
HTFU and move to null so I can pod you back to zero sp
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Mahatma Cote Temporal Research
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Posted - 2012.10.09 11:01:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
]...] I'm all for ganking idiots but not by means of convoluted mechanics such as people dropping cans marked free stuff outside noob stations and then ganking those who take from them because they don't know any better, hopefully the new idiot switch will prevent this kind of thing happening. [...]
This is against the game-rules --one thing that CCP explicitly names as griefing, in fact-- and can get you banned if you do it. Ergo, idiot-switch not needed, at least here, unless CCP has stopped enforcing that rule?
And yet people still do it, or were up until very recently, I'll run the tutorials again on a trial this week and see how many yellow cans are in tutorial specific areas, especially the scanning tutorials. I sincerely hope I'm wrong but some people just get off on killing nubs. Homo sapiens non urinat in ventum -á-á-á ---CCP can't patch stupid--- |
baltec1
Bat Country
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Posted - 2012.10.09 11:13:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
And yet people still do it, or were up until very recently, I'll run the tutorials again on a trial this week and see how many yellow cans are in tutorial specific areas, especially the scanning tutorials. I sincerely hope I'm wrong but some people just get off on killing nubs.
When you do make sure you take them and when they kill you report them to CCP. You can also add them to your contacts so you cand get the satisfaction of seeing when they get banned. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
884
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Posted - 2012.10.09 11:20:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:The flip side of the new idiot switch is that CCP are trying to appeal to a wider demographic, hopefully drawing them in from other MMOs where molly coddling and hand holding are the norm. Some of the current mechanics are arcane and convoluted to say the least and it's very easy to trick the uneducated into doing something unwise. Personally I hope they succeed in bringing in new players so that we can introduce them to a proper game that doesn't involve cartoon pets and proper PvP where if you die you actually lose stuff.
However if they go too far with the idjit proofing they risk alienating their current players, and the current players are the ones that have created Eves reputation as the pinnacle of what a game can be.
TL;DR Gaining new players is good, losing old players is not.
True and very important for CCP and EVE.
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.10.09 11:23:00 -
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So you basically copy-pasted thoughts from themittani ont the very same topic and posted them in your blog and then expect us to increase its hit counter.
Really, you're going downhill man, watch out. |
III ZiggyBang
One Point 0
1
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Posted - 2012.10.09 11:42:00 -
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There's too much hi-sec in the game, it shouldn't be possible to fly from one empire to another without going through low at least, hi-sec is just a waste of eve imho. |
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Josef Djugashvilis
666
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Posted - 2012.10.09 11:45:00 -
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III ZiggyBang wrote:There's too much hi-sec in the game, it shouldn't be possible to fly from one empire to another without going through low at least, hi-sec is just a waste of eve imho.
Don't like hi-sec?
Don't go there. Too old, tired and ugly to care. |
Taranius De Consolville
Curse Of The Chosen
238
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Posted - 2012.10.09 11:46:00 -
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I just think its laughable u think CCP give a rats ass
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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
885
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:32:00 -
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III ZiggyBang wrote:There's too much hi-sec in the game, it shouldn't be possible to fly from one empire to another without going through low at least, hi-sec is just a waste of eve imho.
Okay, that's just being totally narrow-minded.
Refer to the threads "Lowsec is dead". Too much Lowsec space? It's pointless, totally pointless, to play a game where every single gate is camped. The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
383
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:35:00 -
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Jim you haven't piped in yet, I'm worried...
ib4t wat |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
265
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Posted - 2012.10.09 12:36:00 -
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Eve is a bit like being at the beach. Most people want to go for a swim out into the sea and go on little boats and stuff but they also like to come back to the beach to eat an icecream or whatever.
Take away the beach and it's just sea, and no-one will come. Take away the sea and it's just a desert, and no-one will come.
#seewhatidid? The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures. |
Christy D Floyd
Astra Research
77
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Posted - 2012.10.09 13:26:00 -
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Posting in a bittervet thread.
OP is crying but why? Why give the carebears like myself so many tears?
I know you are mad that carebears live in safety in Highsec while you have to actually work hard in lowsec/nullsec.
Well you have to give the carebears credit they work smart not hard. Its not our fault you cant adapt with these changes.
Its not our fault you feel butthurt.
If your so upset about this why dont you change the game oh thats right its not your game and its not mine either, its none of ours.
Show me on the doll where the carebear touched you. Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |
Signal11th
Against ALL Anomalies
789
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Posted - 2012.10.09 15:05:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:I would not be surprised to see some change in 2013 that greatly limits the effectiveness of freighter ganking.
If certain segments of the player population begin to notice that the water is warming, then redirect the hell out of these potentially damaging conversations with "one day we'd like players to take over for CONCORD." And the rising complaints are mollified as those players forget about the temperature of the water and begin fantasizing themselves in the role of space police. They'll say "CCP understands where to take this game. These new features change the nature of the sandbox, but it's meant to move us to the promised land. So we'll wait and see."
But what is this promised land? Under what conditions could CCP remove CONCORD and not break the game? As it stands now, to turn off CONCORD would be to turn all of highsec into lowsec. And that's definitely not going to happen. Never. Ever. So the promised land has to be a place where space has become so safe, so regimented, so rules restricted, that CONCORD is an entity that is rarely required. Suspect and criminal flags such a rare occurence, that players can become the police, because the need for a super-police is now moot. And this might be the situation that CCP Soundwave envisions. The only real instance in which CONCORD can be safely removed from the game is one where they are no longer needed. Players can then call themselves the space police, except that there's nothing left to police.
To be brutally honest most of the time I think you talk complete cobblers but on this you are correct although the same story has been said by many other people myself included. Hello Kitty is a serious business don't you know. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Signal11th
Against ALL Anomalies
789
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Posted - 2012.10.09 15:07:00 -
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Wacktopia wrote:Eve is a bit like being at the beach. Most people want to go for a swim out into the sea and go on little boats and stuff but they also like to come back to the beach to eat an icecream or whatever.
Take away the beach and it's just sea, and no-one will come. Take away the sea and it's just a desert, and no-one will come.
#seewhatidid?
Yep, talk shite apparently. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.10.09 15:22:00 -
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Nikodiemus wrote:Can flipping, high-sec ganking and concord insurance huh..... I think you are referring to something other than PvPers. That, or you don't PvP much do you?
As someone that loves PvP I can say that I am insulted by your childish and amateur description of "PvPers". Everything in EVE is PVP. Deal with it. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. |
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Angry Mustellid Iron Oxide.
252
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Posted - 2012.10.09 15:34:00 -
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Until a decent rival game is released CCP can get away with World of Eve(tm)
Just have to hope this game remains playable until such a rival is released |
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