There should be a way to defend against this IMO, some sort of anchor.

Do you actually believe there shouldnt be a way to defend against it? A module, or a skill of some sort, that at least reduces the speed at which you get bumped away

How can you defend against it?

Im sorry but do you know how fast an orca moves?

How can you defend against it?

I dont care how its done, but you should have the option of sacrificing tank or whatever else and put a module that reduces your vulnerabilty to bumping

You know, I think I need to get in on this miner tear faucet.
I'm in HS atm so I think I'm gonna go buy a Mach and have some fun.

James, any preference on systems where you need me?

How can you defend against it?

If you're relying on the Grandmaster of Bump to teach you how to avoid bumps, you may as well surrender and join the New Order now.

Hello,

An alt of mine was just bumped outside HEK in an orca. If i hadnt been paying attention i would have been outside dock range soon enough and most likely popped by wartargets. This orca even had Reinforced Bulkheads.

Anyway. It seems that alot of miners are having an issue with bumping, but i think its a viable tactic. If i hadnt payed attention then with my orca i probably would have lost it. There were no WT's around at the time, but they would have shown up, webbed and scrammed me the second they see im outside dock range. Anyway, kudos to them for that, these kinds of tactics only make EVE a more interesting place. Anyway. There should be a way to defend against this IMO, some sort of anchor.

A space anchor ?

Actually that's quite interesting.

I could see it being related to the way that a Cyno ship can't be moved; a module that adds ship mass perhaps ?
Everything needs a counter ...

Lets hear some fleshed out ideas!

Edit: Apologies to Akirei Scytale who already mentioned the mass thing ...

You mean a module that would increase your mass? Like an armor plate of some sort? Or perhaps one that would distort space and increase your mass through a micro-sized warp bubble?

If its a true anchor, like POSes or GSCs have, then it would work the same way. You would activate it, and after a delay your ship would be fixed at one spot. There would have to be distance limits like there are for GSCs: A ship cannot anchor within some distance of another object. (This prevents people from blocking a station undock with anchored ships). Maybe 5 km?

In addition, an anchored ship should remain anchored even if you eject from it. This would stop issues with ships getting bumped out of POS fields and all the petitions that result. It would also give supercap pilots confidence that if they left their ship in their POS, it will still be there when they return. (And now Im nerfing myself. I once stole a Proteus that got accidentally bumped out of a POS field by the enemy when they warped in a Nyx.)

A bump reduction module would be sort of like a personal web. It just greatly slows you down, and increases the "drag" factor of your ship. The issue here is not to make it an insta-warp module. Maybe it not only slows you, but prevents you from warping.

That is quite an interesting suggestion indeed.

What is the flipside I wonder ? bumping is a valid tactic, and so therefore 'self anchoring' would then become a valid defence too.
But then, where is the emergent game-play ?

Meaning, if two play styles can negate each-other; why would anyone do it ?
How do you counter that ?

Off the top of my head, Self anchoring would have a cascading benefit according to the skill level of the person who anchors, and perhaps the level of navigation skill + mass involved would combat that by the person bumping ?

As long as you are willing to fly your ship you can keep on mining.

A space anchor ?

Actually that's quite interesting.

I could see it being related to the way that a Cyno ship can't be moved; a module that adds ship mass perhaps ?
Everything needs a counter ...

Lets hear some fleshed out ideas!

Edit: Apologies to Akirei Scytale who already mentioned the mass thing ...

Try ice mining in a Hulk orbiting the rock with a MWD on. Stagger your ice harvester cycles.

Hulk has 2x the mass of a Mackinaw, or 10x the mass with the MWD going. I'm not an expert in bumping, but it ought to make a big difference in how far you get bumped off.

Being in orbit around the rock should reduce the distance your ship gets bumped, and your ship will automatically try to regain that position.

A space anchor ?

Actually that's quite interesting.

I could see it being related to the way that a Cyno ship can't be moved; a module that adds ship mass perhaps ?
Everything needs a counter ...

Lets hear some fleshed out ideas!

Edit: Apologies to Akirei Scytale who already mentioned the mass thing ...

Hello,

An alt of mine was just bumped outside HEK in an orca. If i hadnt been paying attention i would have been outside dock range soon enough and most likely popped by wartargets. This orca even had Reinforced Bulkheads.

Anyway. It seems that alot of miners are having an issue with bumping, but i think its a viable tactic. If i hadnt payed attention then with my orca i probably would have lost it. There were no WT's around at the time, but they would have shown up, webbed and scrammed me the second they see im outside dock range. Anyway, kudos to them for that, these kinds of tactics only make EVE a more interesting place. Anyway. There should be a way to defend against this IMO, some sort of anchor.

That is quite an interesting suggestion indeed.

What is the flipside I wonder ? bumping is a valid tactic, and so therefore 'self anchoring' would then become a valid defence too.
But then, where is the emergent game-play ?

Meaning, if two play styles can negate each-other; why would anyone do it ?
How do you counter that ?

Off the top of my head, Self anchoring would have a cascading benefit according to the skill level of the person who anchors, and perhaps the level of navigation skill + mass involved would combat that by the person bumping ?

Oh yes, a siege module for barges that makes you unbumpable!
The only drawback is, you have to give up a high-slot for it, which no miner would ever do.

You undocked in an Orca while at war?

Trust me son, your problems are much more severe than worrying about bumping.

Calculated risk

A bonus for miners at least is they can keep their shield tank more or less intact, because shield tanks usually revolve around med slots.

That is quite an interesting suggestion indeed.

What is the flipside I wonder ? bumping is a valid tactic, and so therefore 'self anchoring' would then become a valid defence too.
But then, where is the emergent game-play ?

Meaning, if two play styles can negate each-other; why would anyone do it ?
How do you counter that ?

Off the top of my head, Self anchoring would have a cascading benefit according to the skill level of the person who anchors, and perhaps the level of navigation skill + mass involved would combat that by the person bumping ?

In addition, an anchored ship should remain anchored even if you eject from it. This would stop issues with ships getting bumped out of POS fields and all the petitions that result. It would also give supercap pilots confidence that if they left their ship in their POS, it will still be there when they return. (And now Im nerfing myself. I once stole a Proteus that got accidentally bumped out of a POS field by the enemy when they warped in a Nyx.)

omg, attention seekers...

it is not likely that bump whining comes from genuine people. Boring.

Try ice mining in a Hulk orbiting the rock with a MWD on. Stagger your ice harvester cycles.

Hulk has 2x the mass of a Mackinaw, or 10x the mass with the MWD going. I'm not an expert in bumping, but it ought to make a big difference in how far you get bumped off.

Being in orbit around the rock should reduce the distance your ship gets bumped, and your ship will automatically try to regain that position.

I agree with the high slot idea. Much like a cyno, it takes a high slot, but anchors you down for a set amount of time. You cannot move, you cannot do anything, other than sit there and mine. That means if you are targeted for a gank, well you're S.O.L. Maybe it should require fuel as well?...

So where does starbursting fit in? And by that, how do we go about kicking people out of POS when they have the password to get in?

They could just anchor and stay?

Make it not possible inside a POS if not ally?

Bumping because this is (except for the above troll suggestion) a good idea.

Oh, I see you've joined in on the bumper griefing as well! Seems to me we have a pot calling the kettle black situation, which i suppose would make you a racist as well sir!

I propose we implement some sort of "forum anchor" to combat this nefarious forum bumping campaign being perpetrated by Tali and her minions. Perhaps it could add mass(ive) walls of text to your forum signature radius, so large that it limits each page to a single post! We could call it a 1600mm reinforced rolled texten plate, and balance it by having it also prevent you from using the smiley face icons for 10, or perhaps even 20 minutes, while also reducing your tin foil hat resistances by 25%.

Lets take a stand against Tali and these forum bumpers!

Hello,

There should be a way to defend against this IMO, some sort of anchor.

wut

There you go again! GAH! I'll have you know that as a subscribing player, I have bought and earned my right to post on these forums and you have no right to continue your campaign of forum bumping the threads I post in. I am entitled to the right to post in a thread, and then promptly afk, and I should be able to do so with the reasonable expectation that you will not assault me with your incessant forum bumping exploitz! If I want a reply I shall specifically request one! Next you'll tell me you consider it to be "emergent forum posting" or some nonsense. You sir are a belligerent and undesirable forum griefer.

Don't think playing coy by saying "wut" will save you either. I happen to be logging all of these posts, and fully intend to submit this forum post log on the forums for the devs attention! "The New General Discussion Code of Conduct" you espouse is arbitrary and i'll not be cowed by it, I demand justice sir!

I am sick of this non-consensual interaction on the forums!

Do you actually believe there shouldnt be a way to defend against it? A module, or a skill of some sort, that at least reduces the speed at which you get bumped away

The proper way to handle this would be for CCP to actually program ship collisions that cause damage. As it is now bumpers lose nothing from their actions and miners lose everything. See what happens when the bumpers start incurring replacement and repair costs...

And then Jita 4-4 dies.

Ballast tank: an item that has very high weight/volume ratio.

When put in your cargo hold it effects the weight of your ship, reducing the effect from bumping, but also your ships agility.

How can you defend against it?

Dont be AFK!

Even if you werent afk bumping is considering griefing from the victims perspective, there should be a way to defend against it. For example a module that fits into a low slot that reduces your vulnerability to bumping

Well clearly there is a problem and clearly there is no defence against it, i only think it would be reasnoable not to nerf bumping or remove it from the game, but to give players a choice to "fit against it"

Make it a low slot mod. Make it use heavy water. Take up more of that cargo space on Miners And I would be all for it.

Even if you werent afk bumping is considered griefing from the victims perspective, there should be a way to defend against it.

I know of some great space ship games where you can mine your little heart out & not be bothered by other people ever. That is what you want, right.

Why not? Why should you care?

I do care, that is why I'm prepared to inform miners of some great games where they can do what they love with out the hassle of player interaction. I do this service for the greater good of this game.

How to counter? The anchor requires a asteroid (they don't move when bumped yes?) Someone undermines the asteroid that was anchoring them and its turns off the module and the feedback makes it inoperable for 10 minutes. So they are stuck without the perks, and a smaller ore bay. They have to take the time to refit or wait it out.

Also bumpers mining to attack miners, fuuuuny.

There is. It's called 'Purchasing a mining permit".

THE CARE FACTOR
You don't care. No-one cares. It's just the popular topic to be on atm.

THE SOURCE
Goon space bad. Mittani whines. You whine. Mob whines. Wannabes whine.

THE INTERDICTION
Goons failed. Mittani failed. You failed. Mob failed. Wannabes failed.

THE RESULT
Nothing.

THE QUESTION
Got it yet?

What on earth are you rambling on about this time? Whine much?

I'm saying it's about time you guys learned to stfu and stop all the bitching against miners. You're just shitpoasting everything up because you're butthurt. Mittens is butthurt. You're all butthurt. Get the f over it already!

Gank 'em, kill 'em, bump 'em - or just stfu. Just stop with the incessant bitchin' at 'em ffs. Gang attacking players on a forum because of what they choose to do in a game is just lame. It's not only lame. It's pathetic.

htfu and go find some proper targets. Stop picking on kindy kids ya pussies.

Because miners never whined about anything ever. Perhaps you should chill out.

A space anchor ?

Actually that's quite interesting.

I could see it being related to the way that a Cyno ship can't be moved; a module that adds ship mass perhaps ?
Everything needs a counter ...

Lets hear some fleshed out ideas!

Edit: Apologies to Akirei Scytale who already mentioned the mass thing ...

Perhaps you should stfu and find more suitable targets. What you do in game is one thing, what you do here, gang attacking players is simply pathetic.

Sure they whine. But that's not why you're here. This is just shitpoasting. It's crap and should be called and stopped for the crap that it is.

I'm doing what I can. Solo and Chilled.

The proper way to handle this would be for CCP to actually program ship collisions that cause damage. As it is now bumpers lose nothing from their actions and miners lose everything. See what happens when the bumpers start incurring replacement and repair costs...

Im sorry but do you know how fast an orca or barge moves?

The problem with the terrible "anchor" suggestion is that there is absolutely no downside for the carebears. Comparing it to siege/triage modules is dishonest, as the ships that use those modules can only operate in areas in which they can freely be attacked, and as such being stuck in one spot for a fixed period of time is an actual risk. Anchoring yourself in safe space has no drawback. I propose slashing defenses and or mining yield by 50% while anchored.

That sounds fair - you don't have to actively manage your range or avoid bumpers, but the compromise is reduced survivability or isk

What the hell is your problem

Had to think for a minute, but I guess it's the mortgage. It's not really a problem per say, but it's the closest thing.

As far as this idea is concerned, others deal quite well without, so maybe learn how to yourself? After all bumping is a perfectly legitimate mechanic to use and has been used for many, many years.

Gotta say, Mortgages need to be nerfed.

Mine went up this year, and we are looking into converting to a fixed rate.
(We always planned on this, it just wasn't one of our options when we first got the mortgage itself)

Yea like i said it will not be the end of bumping, saying it isnt unbalanced is ignoring the obvious tho

It's far from obvious, as I have no idea what you're blithering on about.

What is the issue? If you're active or have friends/corp mates/whatever then bumping is practically a none issue. If you pay your nearest New Order agent for a mining permit then you won't be bumped for a full year.

Have you seen a miner been bumped? Have you tried it? :)

Its basically griefing because there is no counter-measure

So, I just spoke to the GM Team regarding this to get some clarification:

Firstly, people who are bumped always have the right to petition. It is the right of any player who feels that they want to petition an issue to do so.

However, with regards to the rules in EVE Online our current view is:


Bumping is not considered harassment.
Bumping is not considered griefing.
Bumping is not against the rules.



It's actually been used for a long time to prevent warping as a rudimentary form of tackling when you don't have a point, or don't have sufficient disruption strength to keep someone pinned.

Along with that, the people that are doing this for the best part are in player corporations. If you don't like what they're doing, declare war on them so that you can punish them, or pay a merc corp to do so on your behalf if you don't want to fight.

There are plenty of options to counter this, if you use your imagination.

I must have a really bad imagination

Kind of tough for someone on an internet forum arent you