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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
219
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:35:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:This isn't an exploit. While I disagree with BM on many things, they are using the game mechanics to their advantage. Much like how pirates use the Orca mechanic to gatecamp and GTFO when overwhelmed. As for RR being a 10 year old corp full of memories and nostalgia, CCP doesn't take sentimentality into account when trying to fix said issue. The burden falls on RR to do their homework rather than go willy nilly and join any alliance. Clearly RR didn't do their homework. Sorry to be so cold, but that's the truth.
PS - If RR can't negotiate with BM, then just dec his entire alliance and see what happens. Liandri has a 33% KB efficiency. There's so many ways you can force this issue, even if it's through warfare than diplomacy. There are ways to resolve the issue if you want to join an alliance that badly. This is New Eden; Might Makes Right.
The mechanic it self is not an exploit but how they are using it is.
The idea behind the new mechanics is that you better be careful who you declare war on as you may not be able to take it back.
So they were against the war, and left the alliance, but did not get out in time to avoid the mutual war dec. That in itself is fine. working as intended.
But now that war is perpetuated by a corp that is run by inactive alts. They are keeping this war going at zero cost, and zero risk as all their alts that are keeping it active are on inactive accounts. This is where the exploit comes in. They have a corp locked in a permanent war, with zero risk to them selves, while preventing the other corp for accessing game content due to a perpetual war they are unable to fight as the other side is inactive accounts. And yet there is no way to shed this war. Although the mechanic it self is not an exploit, they are using it in a way it was not intended to be used, and in so are grieving another corp at zreo risk and cost to themselves.
When the GOONS made trillions of isk off the new FW mechanics they where using the new mechanic within its limits as it was designed to work. But yet CCP considered that an exploit to the point where accounts where frozen and the earned isk was seized. They were using the mechanic in a way it was not intended to be used, and it was considered an exploit.
As far as I am concerned abusing a mechanic in a way that prevents other players from accessing game content is far worse than what the GOONS did. If what the GOONS did was an exploit then so is this. If not then lift the bans of the GOONS accounts and give them back their isk. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
278
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:25:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:This isn't an exploit. While I disagree with BM on many things, they are using the game mechanics to their advantage. Much like how pirates use the Orca mechanic to gatecamp and GTFO when overwhelmed. As for RR being a 10 year old corp full of memories and nostalgia, CCP doesn't take sentimentality into account when trying to fix said issue. The burden falls on RR to do their homework rather than go willy nilly and join any alliance. Clearly RR didn't do their homework. Sorry to be so cold, but that's the truth.
PS - If RR can't negotiate with BM, then just dec his entire alliance and see what happens. Liandri has a 33% KB efficiency. There's so many ways you can force this issue, even if it's through warfare than diplomacy. There are ways to resolve the issue if you want to join an alliance that badly. This is New Eden; Might Makes Right. The mechanic it self is not an exploit but how they are using it is. The idea behind the new mechanics is that you better be careful who you declare war on as you may not be able to take it back. So they were against the war, and left the alliance, but did not get out in time to avoid the mutual war dec. That in itself is fine. working as intended. But now that war is perpetuated by a corp that is run by inactive alts. They are keeping this war going at zero cost, and zero risk as all their alts that are keeping it active are on inactive accounts. This is where the exploit comes in. They have a corp locked in a permanent war, with zero risk to them selves, while preventing the other corp for accessing game content due to a perpetual war they are unable to fight as the other side is inactive accounts. And yet there is no way to shed this war. Although the mechanic it self is not an exploit, they are using it in a way it was not intended to be used, and in so are grieving another corp at zreo risk and cost to themselves. When the GOONS made trillions of isk off the new FW mechanics they where using the new mechanic within its limits as it was designed to work. But yet CCP considered that an exploit to the point where accounts where frozen and the earned isk was seized. They were using the mechanic in a way it was not intended to be used, and it was considered an exploit. As far as I am concerned abusing a mechanic in a way that prevents other players from accessing game content is far worse than what the GOONS did. If what the GOONS did was an exploit then so is this. If not then lift the bans of the GOONS accounts and give them back their isk.
You can not really compare this situation to goon exploit in FW, When CCP 1st time implemented lp for kills they clearly stated if someone is going to make money by destroying their alts it will be considered as exploit and CCP will monitor situation.
So those goons really exploited thing that ccp had declared as exploit.
And in this case you claim that corporation is inactive which it is not, some players may be but almost every corporation in EVE has active and inactive members.
If it is exploit to be inactive while in war then ccp should give free game time to all who are in war. |
Rail Gun
Routa.
1
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:26:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:This isn't an exploit. While I disagree with BM on many things, they are using the game mechanics to their advantage. Much like how pirates use the Orca mechanic to gatecamp and GTFO when overwhelmed. As for RR being a 10 year old corp full of memories and nostalgia, CCP doesn't take sentimentality into account when trying to fix said issue. The burden falls on RR to do their homework rather than go willy nilly and join any alliance. Clearly RR didn't do their homework. Sorry to be so cold, but that's the truth.
PS - If RR can't negotiate with BM, then just dec his entire alliance and see what happens. Liandri has a 33% KB efficiency. There's so many ways you can force this issue, even if it's through warfare than diplomacy. There are ways to resolve the issue if you want to join an alliance that badly. This is New Eden; Might Makes Right. The mechanic it self is not an exploit but how they are using it is. The idea behind the new mechanics is that you better be careful who you declare war on as you may not be able to take it back. So they were against the war, and left the alliance, but did not get out in time to avoid the mutual war dec. That in itself is fine. working as intended. But now that war is perpetuated by a corp that is run by inactive alts. They are keeping this war going at zero cost, and zero risk as all their alts that are keeping it active are on inactive accounts. This is where the exploit comes in. They have a corp locked in a permanent war, with zero risk to them selves, while preventing the other corp for accessing game content due to a perpetual war they are unable to fight as the other side is inactive accounts. And yet there is no way to shed this war. Although the mechanic it self is not an exploit, they are using it in a way it was not intended to be used, and in so are grieving another corp at zreo risk and cost to themselves. When the GOONS made trillions of isk off the new FW mechanics they where using the new mechanic within its limits as it was designed to work. But yet CCP considered that an exploit to the point where accounts where frozen and the earned isk was seized. They were using the mechanic in a way it was not intended to be used, and it was considered an exploit. As far as I am concerned abusing a mechanic in a way that prevents other players from accessing game content is far worse than what the GOONS did. If what the GOONS did was an exploit then so is this. If not then lift the bans of the GOONS accounts and give them back their isk.
CCP already said it's not exploit and OP has option to dispand and remake their corporation. How difficult it is to undesrstand? I thought CCP makes the rules for this game? |
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
376
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:29:00 -
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They could remake there corp.
Yes its 10 years old and what not, but there are ways out of it.
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March rabbit
Aliastra
257
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Posted - 2012.10.29 16:38:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:This thread read like
"Wardecced someone, getting killed, wanna leave, can't and don't wanna pay for it. Help me mummy!"
If they are inactive, then so what War Targets that don't log in, or not actually war targets. Carry on playing. reading such an idiotic posts i really wonder: where are these "amateur" players people are talking about all the time? Looks like they all on vacation.... |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
159
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Posted - 2012.10.30 00:45:00 -
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You've already been told what to do to get out of the war, its not CCPs fault you're too stubborn to use it. If you're really that attached to the corp use a holding alt to keep it open and maybe some time in the future something will happen and you can go back to it.
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Teh Nurffe
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
2
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Posted - 2012.10.30 11:54:00 -
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Darek Castigatus wrote:You've already been told what to do to get out of the war, its not CCPs fault you're too stubborn to use it. If you're really that attached to the corp use a holding alt to keep it open and maybe some time in the future something will happen and you can go back to it.
or reconsider paying 50b |
OT Smithers
BLOMI
333
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Posted - 2012.10.30 17:17:00 -
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Epic fail on CCP's part. |
kraiklyn Asatru
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
21
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Posted - 2012.10.31 10:20:00 -
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Systems definitely broken, not that I care but it is broken. Soon enough things will be so ****** up that they will have to fix it, right now noone can wardec someone without getting instantly stuck in a perma war with random people who thy never even wardecced. Amusing, but clearly broken. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
282
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Posted - 2012.10.31 11:21:00 -
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kraiklyn Asatru wrote:Systems definitely broken, not that I care but it is broken. Soon enough things will be so ****** up that they will have to fix it, right now noone can wardec someone without getting instantly stuck in a perma war with random people who thy never even wardecced. Amusing, but clearly broken.
System is working fine, Reasons are clearly explained on war dec dev blog, current systems eliminates many 'exploits' on old system, there is work around to problem like this is, make a new corp and problem solved.
Funny thing is that same people complained on old system how targets used to make new corporation or used alliance hop trick to evade wardecs who now cry that you can not get rid of wardec anymore when you want.
Old system prevented corporations joining on alliance when they were agressors on war so that is not changed, now allies and mutual wardec gives tools for defender to actually defend and strike back and somehow prevent mindless grifing.
Hopefully on retribution expansion EVE is stepping on new era where true griefers step up to grief wanna be griefers and carebears have tools to strike back.
Hopefully CCP plans to allow actions but add more player action based consequences work well and we get more complex situations where knowing mechanics brings lot of beneifts |
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Piugattuk
CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES
86
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Posted - 2012.10.31 18:45:00 -
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Seems to me that CCP should do something considering the 10 man corp is not even active or really waging war, seems like they are exploiting a game mechanic thats broken to keep other's in cht situation without any risk to 10 man corp. But also, I smell a setup I think somebody is going to move on you soon. And those guys you allied with may have been in on it (speculation). |
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
98
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Posted - 2012.10.31 18:56:00 -
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Piugattuk wrote:Seems to me that CCP should do something considering the 10 man corp is not even active or really waging war, seems like they are exploiting a game mechanic thats broken to keep other's in cht situation without any risk to 10 man corp. But also, I smell a setup I think somebody is going to move on you soon. And those guys you allied with may have been in on it (speculation).
Now that would be awfully rude since war was actually dropped after diplomatic negotiations but we dont mind more targets |
Sando Chelien
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.11.01 05:05:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:sYnc Vir wrote:This thread read like
"Wardecced someone, getting killed, wanna leave, can't and don't wanna pay for it. Help me mummy!"
If they are inactive, then so what War Targets that don't log in, or not actually war targets. Carry on playing. reading such an idiotic posts i really wonder: where are these " mature" players people are talking about all the time? Looks like they all on vacation....
there, corrected it for ya... |
D4mane
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.11.01 07:38:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:This thread read like
"Wardecced someone, getting killed, wanna leave, can't and don't wanna pay for it. Help me mummy!"
If they are inactive, then so what War Targets that don't log in, or not actually war targets. Carry on playing.
I see many just fail at reading and comprehending.
It's not that the war is active, it's the fact that they as a corp can't join an alliance.
This mechanic is just plain stupid. I don't see the point of the word "MUTUAL" if it really isn't. It's like being in a corp that is in a mutual war -> leaving the corp -> still be at war as an individual -> not being able to join another corp because you are at war.
When the war goes mutual, then there should be a mandatory option to set a ransom (something like insurance fees, based on alliance/corp size or something), that when paid would end the war? |
D4mane
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2012.11.01 07:40:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=156437&find=unread
Someone already posted about his guy, but again, the wonderful world of 'mutual'. Maybe CCP will notice when they get out of scale. |
Senek4
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.11.06 02:20:00 -
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Where are this plexes for 1600b/month ? I would gladly stop killing stuff for free in nullsec and relocate the main corp there.
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
283
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Posted - 2012.11.06 10:02:00 -
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Senek4 wrote:Where are this plexes for 1600b/month ? I would gladly stop killing stuff for free in nullsec and relocate the main corp there.
sad to tell but CCP nerfed it already. |
Johnny Spacer
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:51:00 -
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Just organize a massive unsubscription day for your corp. That will get CCP's attention. They will help you when you all quit. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2889
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Posted - 2012.11.08 17:56:00 -
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If it's any consolation to the OP, it is happening to many other corprations at the time and CCP really have no choice but to fix this issue soon. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Dalomar Avalhar
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.11.09 11:17:00 -
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1st. try and send the wardeck corp a surrender offer.
If the corp your are at war with was originally decked by your old alliance, you might just have to wait it out.
secondly petition it. I know for a fact that there several petitions regarding this matter and asking ccp to move corp/alliances out of a neverending wardeck situation. Try and put an emphasis on the fact that the current mechanic is creating alot of dead alliances and corps. |
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
287
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Posted - 2012.11.09 11:54:00 -
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I like how most players think about every game "devs change game so i can play it !" |
Dalomar Avalhar
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.11.10 11:01:00 -
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Its going to be fixed
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2159028#post2159028 |
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