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Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
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Posted - 2012.10.26 14:48:00 -
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Antares 04 wrote:The problem appeared after RR had been persuaded to leave the alliance, (apparently they did not do so out of fear of some 10-man corp) because once they had done so they were still at war with the 10-man corp, and that corp then made the war mutual.
Actually I might be mistaken here but the war was mutual to begin with and the moment RR left alliance on their own, they were permanently saddled with it. I did see some surrender offer but I think it was 3m isk or 300k isk so I assumed it was just a trolling attempt. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
557
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:00:00 -
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I heard a rumor that surrender terms were offered but that they weren't accepted. c/d? |
John Caffeine
Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings
10
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:05:00 -
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Dead God I hope whoever the next person to Hargoth an alliance is keeps this mechanic in mind.
Also, if someone wants to kick a corporation from their alliance, could they wardec their own one-man alt corp, kick the corporation, make the war mutual and thus prevent that corporation from ever joining another alliance?
And if so, could they then end the war with the alliance itself, but keep the mutual war with the corporation going forever? |
Andre Vauban
Quantum Cats Syndicate
40
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Posted - 2012.10.26 15:12:00 -
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John Caffeine wrote:Dead God I hope whoever the next person to Hargoth an alliance is keeps this mechanic in mind.
Also, if someone wants to kick a corporation from their alliance, could they wardec their own one-man alt corp, kick the corporation, make the war mutual and thus prevent that corporation from ever joining another alliance?
And if so, could they then end the war with the alliance itself, but keep the mutual war with the corporation going forever?
Yes you could, that is very very evil. I like it.
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Rail Gun
Routa.
1
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:40:00 -
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Antares 04 wrote:And with this, I'm almost completely sure your trolling for the sake of it, as opposed to be as persistently ignorant as you appear.
I could spend another 20 minutes of my rapidly diminishing available time to try, again, to point out the glaring issues with your claims, but that's the thing with trolls; the point is to make me pointlessly waste my time.
I'm not ignorant. You can use all the time you want ranting about "claring issues" but it wont change the fact that OP and his corp are NOT STUCK in this war, they DECIDE to be stuck in it. Maby it's time to stop crying and really think your options and do something about it. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
406
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Posted - 2012.10.26 16:47:00 -
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Dramaticus wrote:um yall are missing the key issue which is the corp that declared the war mutual isn't inactive
The real hole in this thing is according to game mechanics after declaring the war mutual it is now possible to clear out of the other corporation thus it will be a closed corp & the war dec will stay mutual forever with a closed corp preventing them from ever joining another alliance Meta-gaming for NULL SECCers: Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |
Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
386
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Posted - 2012.10.26 17:06:00 -
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Look, ccp knows the war dec system has issues. Complaining won't change that. Suck it up, deal with the repercussion, and be patient. War decs are not fixed in a day unless you want another breakable system. Givem ccp time to plan a fix. In the mean time...
Have your ceo make an alt ceo toon. Place the alt in charge of ur corp. Have CEO drop said corp then start version 2 of said corp. Everyone drops the old corp save for the alt ceo, and joins version 2. When the wardec issue is fixed, re join the old corp.
About the only issue maybe taking a week to setup corp if you need standings for a pos. Really, this isn't too hard to deal with. |
OsirisShi
ROMANIA Renegades
1
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Posted - 2012.10.26 17:18:00 -
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Yuri Intaki wrote:Antares 04 wrote:The problem appeared after RR had been persuaded to leave the alliance, (apparently they did not do so out of fear of some 10-man corp) because once they had done so they were still at war with the 10-man corp, and that corp then made the war mutual. Actually I might be mistaken here but the war was mutual to begin with and the moment RR left alliance on their own, they were permanently saddled with it. I did see some surrender offer but I think it was 3m isk or 300k isk so I assumed it was just a trolling attempt. Antares 04 wrote:You have been around for to long to be broken by this issue. Nor should you give your 'targets' the satisfaction of ruining your enjoyment. You do understand that they declared war on us with intent of breaking us and ruining our enjoyment. Not other way around. Why should we feel bad for 200 man corp attempting to make war on 10 man corp?
So from what u say u are so affraid of this 200 mans corp( actualy has only 73) that has not chose to declare war to anyone , u made it mutual to be forever in war??? Where is the god damn logic in this????From what i see the only think is that u know it about this and u just using this for block us forever joining an alliance. I dont ******* care about 10 mens corp with alts and we dont have any problem to have an active war with anyone in eve we just want to be able to join an alliance. THIS IS THE F****** GREAT PROBLEM. It is a stupid game mechanics and u using to block corps. And again we do not chose to declare war to this alliance /corp or whatever the only think we want is to join an alliance . Is so hard to understand? And if u so are willing to end the war why u continue or maybe u should disband the 10 mens corp if is not so problem for u, for us it is and this is not a f****** option because u like it. |
Rail Gun
Routa.
1
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Posted - 2012.10.26 17:28:00 -
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OsirisShi wrote:THIS IS THE F****** GREAT PROBLEM.
You are right, this is just great |
teroarea
ROMANIA Renegades
11
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Posted - 2012.10.26 18:43:00 -
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Yuri Intaki wrote:Antares 04 wrote:The problem appeared after RR had been persuaded to leave the alliance, (apparently they did not do so out of fear of some 10-man corp) because once they had done so they were still at war with the 10-man corp, and that corp then made the war mutual. Actually I might be mistaken here but the war was mutual to begin with and the moment RR left alliance on their own, they were permanently saddled with it. I did see some surrender offer but I think it was 3m isk or 300k isk so I assumed it was just a trolling attempt. Antares 04 wrote:You have been around for to long to be broken by this issue. Nor should you give your 'targets' the satisfaction of ruining your enjoyment. You do understand that they declared war on us with intent of breaking us and ruining our enjoyment. Not other way around. Why should we feel bad for 200 man corp attempting to make war on 10 man corp?
When an alliance declares war , the lider of an alliance doesnt ask each corporation in part if they whant to join the war, he just acts , but Romanian Renegades didnt whant this war, not beause we had a problem fighting this war , just becasue we had other plans and not our corporation declared war against them, we just waked up with this war even if we left Happty Endings, this is only CCP game mechanics |
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Slasher88
Total Mayhem. Northern Coalition.
2
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Posted - 2012.10.26 18:48:00 -
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Off Topic : wow reading the posts in this forum just make me loose my faith in humanity . really dudes your FW fudes are so pathetic , reading trough i understand that some of you leet caldari fw have found a way to get plexes stuck so you and only you can farm them after dt (i mean that is a pvpers dream right we all like to rat rat rat ) . You guys give out the impression that u are a very active pvpers but it seems you are just a carebears with a grudge , same mentality as a little boy that has to share his toys with other people.
50 bil for surrendering yes ofc . For 50 bil dude there are some ppl out there that would grief the **** out of you by just using theyre alts and i think that most of the ppl that are stuck can raise that kind of money or band up and camp you in your systems.
On Topic :
The fix : Even tho i share the oppinion of a dude in here that you need to know what can happen before you do it and not cry after it's been done ( other than that sir u are a moron) i still think that this type of problem does not help the war system and it will actually make war decs dry up . More people are probably going to write about this and i might get it's headline in one of the two eve news sites that are up so u can kiss that wardec goodbye in prob a few weeks or a month .
One other thing is that you should not be able to lock someone in not doing smth , and not pay for it . I would find it fair that if a crop wants to declare a mutual war they should pay the same price as the agressor and as long as the war is active both parties should pay for it . I guess it would be fair for the defender not to pay anything in the first week of the war and after a week both parties should pay a reduced ammount since "Concord has to be made aware of these things and inform all of theyre officers about it , that costs time and money".
Another thing would be that you should be able to join a Alliance when u are under wardec . Why ? Well u can do it with a char and you are not able to join the same corp for a period of 7 days or until the war ends , this should also apply corp wise and this care if the war is still active and the specific alliance would inherit the war .
Ofc this is my oppinion and yes it would help brake the hole perma war thing some of you ppl think is soo great . It would prevent the hole disband your corp thing that i find rather ******** . It would prevent innocent ppl that get cought by this because they have a ******** director in the exec corp in the alliance that they are in .
The eventual Exploit :
Everybody might form a corp compised of hi sec ganking alts and scout the current wardecs join that alliance for a day or two enherit the war , leave decalre it mutual and grief the **** out of all the people that want to have fun with this sistem , it would also make 0.0 alliance invicible since they can lock the regular agressing corps in place so they won't be able to joi na alliance ever again .
As it is now it looks to be on a very small scale , ofc what i worte before is just a idea that anyone can have in 5 minutes of reading this topic . The buttom line is this is a very badly thought out mechanic that creates a loophole for some ppl to vent theyre anger towards other players for not letting them spinn arround a object just so that they can see that wallet ....
And for the two duses posting crap before sry i couldn't be arsed to remember your names you guys should go back to playing wow . And telling ppl that you have been arround longer that they have is so dumb at least for this game since as u can see beeing arround alot doesn't really reflect your level of knoledge u posses and ofc you might get shitted on in the same way by someone who has played less and is smarter than you |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
276
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Posted - 2012.10.26 19:28:00 -
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Originally Happy ending declared war against Emperor Throne Guards because they wanted to prevent them making isk by fw plexing in area where Happy endings staged.
So whole war is about isk.
Demanding some isk for ending this war is justified because it is war about isk.
If you calculate that one char made about 20b in a week in FW and EMPE has 10 members and war lasted about 8 weeks you can end up to numbers that are pretty big.
So starting isk war against people considered as blue/allies and then saying that it is unfair if enemy wants to continue war is just epic.
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
215
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Posted - 2012.10.26 19:40:00 -
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Ok so let me get this straight.
The OP has a corp that has been in EVE since the beginning. Cudo's to that.
They wanted to get in on some faction warfare and joined an alliance involved in faction warfare. perfectly logical thing to do.
The alliance they joined then declared war on a corp that not only did not belong to one of the opposing miltia, but actually belonged to the same side. The Op's corp did not agree with the alliance war dec as it went against the faction warfare they wanted to participate in and left the alliance.
The war deced corp than made the war mutual within 24 hours locking the OP's corp into a never ending war with an alt corp they can not attack as they are never online.
this mutual war started not by them but by a dumb ass alliance leader they did not agree with is now preventing them from joining another alliance.
I would say this is definitely an exploit and should be addressed. True they may have made a bad choice in joining that alliance, but that is not something they should never be able to recover from.
How is this an Exploit?
Well say for example I used an Alt corp to **** off an alliance I did not like and get them to war dec me. I would then of course make that war mutual to prevent them from taking it back.
I then transfer all my characters out of that corp except for maybe a market or forum alt or two. But keep the corp active to keep that war dec going.
Now any corp in that alliance that choose to leave would carry that mutual war dec with them. That corp would now not be able to join any other alliance due to that active war, and would not be able to fight back against me as no pilot in my little alt corp ever leaves a station. All the corps that were in that alliance would be perma locked into a war dec with an inactive corp and I would not need to shell out any isk to keep it going indefinitely.
And many of you including the GM's involved don't see a problem with this mechanic? This is, no matter how you look at it an exploit. If it is working as intended then every small corp/alliance that has been war deced by the GOONS can make that war mutual, then move all there active characters out of the corp to a new corp leaving only inactive alts to keep the war going. The GOONS could end up with hundreds of mutual wars providing zero targets for their PVPers. This would not cost them anything directly as the mutual war would have zero maintenance costs. But if enough corps did this it would massively increasing their costs of future war decs, and at the same time grieve any corp in the GOONS that choose to leave that alliance.
I only use GOONS as an example as they seem to be the most hated large alliance currently in the game. This could happen to any corp looking for a new alliance.
The fix for this would be simple. A mutual war could still nullify the cost for the aggressor corp. But if the aggressor decides to back out then the defender should have to pay to keep the war going. I am not suggesting having the defender become the aggressor, but perhaps divide the cost of the war between the two sides with the total being reduced to the base 50 mil. This way if the defender choose to keep the aggressor locked in it would cost both sides 25 mil each for as long as the defender choose to keep it going. This would at least put some accountability on the defenders side after making the war mutual. After all a mutual war is no longer aggressor against defender but both sides would now be aggressors as it is now mutual.
If this does not work at least allow for corps who leave an alliance to shed the wars mutual or not after 24 hours. The only exception to this should be if the corp had the war dec on them from before they joined the alliance. they should not be able to shed a war dec by simply joining and leaving an alliance. But at the same time should not be forced to carry the aggression flag from all the wars that alliance was involved in whether they agreed with the wars or not. |
teroarea
ROMANIA Renegades
11
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Posted - 2012.10.26 19:45:00 -
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Quote:Re: war From: Bad Messenger Sent: 2012.10.25 23:08 To: ev3rmor3,
I can arrange war to end for 50b , if you want to use 3th party i will accept Chribba, you pay expences.
Yours Bad Messenger
war From: ev3rmor3 Sent: 2012.10.25 21:08 To: Bad Messenger,
I want to have a chat to solve a problem regarding a war that obviously we didn't start and didn't want
Your request is "extremely abusive" and because of this reason Romania Renegades is considering this war can continue like this forever
Romania Renegades never had issues with any war and and I do not see why this would bother us. Romania Renegades never forgets people that are helping the corporation and never forgets people that are doing things against this corporation. ISK you requested will be a good hunting reason and will be used to be donated to Romania Renegades' friends becasue I will offer ISK for each ship destroyed of corporation of alts and main corp or alliance.
This situation proved that corporation can adapt very fast and noticed that has very good allies that accept us the way we are without joining any allyance so eve moves on.
PS - I wish you maxim fun in this war .. many thanks to all that understood this matter and were next to us on the forum ... and not last thanks CCP that managed to prove once more inability of solving problems that this game mechanics has |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
276
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Posted - 2012.10.26 19:57:00 -
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teroarea wrote:Quote:Re: war From: Bad Messenger Sent: 2012.10.25 23:08 To: ev3rmor3,
I can arrange war to end for 50b , if you want to use 3th party i will accept Chribba, you pay expences.
Yours Bad Messenger
war From: ev3rmor3 Sent: 2012.10.25 21:08 To: Bad Messenger,
I want to have a chat to solve a problem regarding a war that obviously we didn't start and didn't want Your request is "extremely abusive" and because of this reason Romania Renegades is considering this war can continue like this forever Romania Renegades never had issues with any war and and I do not see why this would bother us. Romania Renegades never forgets people that are helping the corporation and never forgets people that are doing things against this corporation. ISK you requested will be a good hunting reason and will be used to be donated to Romania Renegades' friends becasue I will offer ISK for each ship destroyed of corporation of alts and main corp or alliance. This situation proved that corporation can adapt very fast and noticed that has very good allies that accept us the way we are without joining any allyance so eve moves on. PS - I wish you maxim fun in this war .. many thanks to all that understood this matter and were next to us on the forum ... and not last thanks CCP that managed to prove once more inability of solving problems that this game mechanics has
I cleary can accept your view point in this matter, you wanted to cause isk losses for our friends and you are not willing to compensate possible caused losses and you want to continue this mutual war after all.
I do not see how CCP is failed because we both agreed that this war can be mutual.
As this thread shows current wardec systems is working as intended. |
Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
344
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:01:00 -
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Alliances are overrated anyway. Too much drama and politicking. Stay independent. Gallente FW Blog http://iamsheriff.com/blog C'est La Eve :) |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
217
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:02:00 -
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Yuri Intaki wrote:Most annoying. I had just inspected records and it does seem RR were in HE for only five days and generally had no part of the whole sorry affair so we were actually willing to drop the dec for a nominal fee of 3b isk (we need plex to activate said account of course, hence the cost) . But if we are threathened in forums and in public then we have to reconsider. So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes?
I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable.
This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
276
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:04:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:Most annoying. I had just inspected records and it does seem RR were in HE for only five days and generally had no part of the whole sorry affair so we were actually willing to drop the dec for a nominal fee of 3b isk (we need plex to activate said account of course, hence the cost) . But if we are threathened in forums and in public then we have to reconsider. So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes? I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable. This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed.
There is nothing exploits , it is working as intended, you should study CCP devblog about this issue and reasons why things are like they are. |
Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
94
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:07:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote: So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes?
I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable.
This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed.
It's our alt corp and we hardly remember it's existence at best of times. As said, our main corp Nasranite Watch was decced too, war lasted for weeks and you can inspect the records of how it went. for everyone included. Broken mechanic was not even triggered deliberately, it just kept going due to previous events and RR got the brunt of it for joining the alliance that decced Nasranites & Empe.
But next time if someone wants to do diplomacy with us, you really should contact Damar, not other guys. I'm actually the "good cop" who can be reasoned with (Unless you are a member of froggie militia) |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
217
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:09:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:Most annoying. I had just inspected records and it does seem RR were in HE for only five days and generally had no part of the whole sorry affair so we were actually willing to drop the dec for a nominal fee of 3b isk (we need plex to activate said account of course, hence the cost) . But if we are threathened in forums and in public then we have to reconsider. So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes? I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable. This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed. There is nothing exploits , it is working as intended, you should study CCP devblog about this issue and reasons why things are like they are. That a war can be kept active by a dead corp with all members on inactive accounts is most certainly an exploit. Try reading the EULA you agreed to when you signed up. Cudos to you for finding a way to exploit the new war dec mechanics. But according to the EULA actually using an exploit you have uncovered is a banable offense. |
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Slasher88
Total Mayhem. Northern Coalition.
4
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:10:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:Most annoying. I had just inspected records and it does seem RR were in HE for only five days and generally had no part of the whole sorry affair so we were actually willing to drop the dec for a nominal fee of 3b isk (we need plex to activate said account of course, hence the cost) . But if we are threathened in forums and in public then we have to reconsider. So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes? I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable. This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed. There is nothing exploits , it is working as intended, you should study CCP devblog about this issue and reasons why things are like they are.
Comming from a dude that was warned for using exploits to bear. people should really trust you right .... And to add to the top of it all a monocle *** wololololo |
teroarea
ROMANIA Renegades
12
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:10:00 -
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Yuri Intaki wrote:Most annoying. I had just inspected records and it does seem RR were in HE for only five days and generally had no part of the whole sorry affair so we were actually willing to drop the dec for a nominal fee of 3b isk (we need plex to activate said account of course, hence the cost) . But if we are threathened in forums and in public then we have to reconsider.
This might be a lesson for all people. Inspect what wars you are jumping to before joining and alliance and be cautious if you happen to see sociopath Finns involved.
There's no point in thinking about it .. when you will get war from RR to Liandri Covenant please make mutual ...
PS : I tried to close this matter in an honourable manner but I see there's no point |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
217
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:14:00 -
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Yuri Intaki wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote: So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes?
I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable.
This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed. It's our alt corp and we hardly remember it's existence at best of times. As said, our main corp Nasranite Watch was decced too, war lasted for weeks and you can inspect the records of how it went. for everyone included. Broken mechanic was not even triggered deliberately, it just kept going due to previous events and RR got the brunt of it for joining the alliance that decced Nasranites & Empe. But next time if someone wants to do diplomacy with us, you really should contact Damar, not other guys. I'm actually the "good cop" who can be reasoned with (Unless you are a member of froggie militia) Understandable. But now that it has been brought to your attention you want billions of isk to fix it?
You are using an inactive corp to grieve an active corp through exploiting a flawed mechanic. As I understand the EULA that is not acceptable and can get you active account banned. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
276
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:16:00 -
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Slasher88 wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:Most annoying. I had just inspected records and it does seem RR were in HE for only five days and generally had no part of the whole sorry affair so we were actually willing to drop the dec for a nominal fee of 3b isk (we need plex to activate said account of course, hence the cost) . But if we are threathened in forums and in public then we have to reconsider. So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes? I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable. This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed. There is nothing exploits , it is working as intended, you should study CCP devblog about this issue and reasons why things are like they are. Comming from a dude that was warned for using exploits to bear. people should really trust you right ....
we all are warned about using exploits, just read eula, I have never exploited anything or i have never got personal warning about using exploits, all i have ever done is working as intended and confirmed from ccp.
As in this matter route out of situation is to leave corp and make new one, if you are not willing to use it , it does not make me or any other as exploiter.
And for Bugsy VanHalen i want to say that CCP hardly can ban you if you have inactive account. EMPE is not even inactive corporation, everyday some of those members log in and even undock. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
219
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:21:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Slasher88 wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:Most annoying. I had just inspected records and it does seem RR were in HE for only five days and generally had no part of the whole sorry affair so we were actually willing to drop the dec for a nominal fee of 3b isk (we need plex to activate said account of course, hence the cost) . But if we are threathened in forums and in public then we have to reconsider. So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes? I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable. This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed. There is nothing exploits , it is working as intended, you should study CCP devblog about this issue and reasons why things are like they are. Comming from a dude that was warned for using exploits to bear. people should really trust you right .... we all are warned about using exploits, just read eula, I have never exploited anything or i have never got personal warning about using exploits, all i have ever done is working as intended and confirmed from ccp. As in this matter route out of situation is to leave corp and make new one, if you are not willing to use it , it does not make me or any other as exploiter. And for Bugsy VanHalen i want to say that CCP hardly can ban you if you have inactive account. EMPE is not even inactive corporation, everyday some of those members log in and even undock.
Then why do you need billions of isk to buy PLEX to reactivate an account to drop the war? And they can ban all accounts linked to your I.P. Not just the inactive one used for the exploit. They know what I.P. are used to access what accounts.Just as you can not log in a trial account and an active account simultaneously from the same I.P. |
Mithril Ryder
Genstar Inc Villore Accords
13
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:21:00 -
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Yuri Intaki wrote:Antares 04 wrote:Romanian Renegades, a corp that has been around as long as EVE has, joined an alliance. That alliance decced a 10-man corp and RR left the alliance shortly thereafter for their own reasons. AFTER they left the 10-man corp made the war mutual and now, due to mechanics, RR can't join any other alliance due to being at war as an 'agressor'. Emperor Throne Guards is hardly inactive and a corp with proud pvp history. I disapprove labeling them as "empty shells". Why, i'm online most days and could pass information to people needed to talk about this wardec. Also, that internal memo brings back lots of memories. Legendary corporations, legendary pilots, legendary times
Legendary e-word, on the part of your main. I'm curious as to why you are still allowed to post with your alts, after the stunts you've pulled.
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teroarea
ROMANIA Renegades
12
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:26:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:teroarea wrote:Quote:Re: war From: Bad Messenger Sent: 2012.10.25 23:08 To: ev3rmor3,
I can arrange war to end for 50b , if you want to use 3th party i will accept Chribba, you pay expences.
Yours Bad Messenger
war From: ev3rmor3 Sent: 2012.10.25 21:08 To: Bad Messenger,
I want to have a chat to solve a problem regarding a war that obviously we didn't start and didn't want Your request is "extremely abusive" and because of this reason Romania Renegades is considering this war can continue like this forever Romania Renegades never had issues with any war and and I do not see why this would bother us. Romania Renegades never forgets people that are helping the corporation and never forgets people that are doing things against this corporation. ISK you requested will be a good hunting reason and will be used to be donated to Romania Renegades' friends becasue I will offer ISK for each ship destroyed of corporation of alts and main corp or alliance. This situation proved that corporation can adapt very fast and noticed that has very good allies that accept us the way we are without joining any allyance so eve moves on. PS - I wish you maxim fun in this war .. many thanks to all that understood this matter and were next to us on the forum ... and not last thanks CCP that managed to prove once more inability of solving problems that this game mechanics has I cleary can accept your view point in this matter, you wanted to cause isk losses for our friends and you are not willing to compensate possible caused losses and you want to continue this mutual war after all. I do not see how CCP is failed because we both agreed that this war can be mutual. As this thread shows current wardec systems is working as intended.
If I would have agreed with this war we were still in Happy Endings alliance; game mechanics does not allow closing the war when we went out of alliance becasue you set it mutual in next 24hrs during cooldown period. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
276
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:26:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Then why do you need billions of isk to buy PLEX to reactivate an account to drop the war? And they can ban all accounts linked to your I.P. Not just the inactive one used for the exploit. They know what I.P. are used to access what accounts.Just as you can not log in a trial account and an active account simultaneously from the same I.P.
So you say that CCP will ban me because i have an account that has char at war and account is inactive? |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
219
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:35:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Then why do you need billions of isk to buy PLEX to reactivate an account to drop the war? And they can ban all accounts linked to your I.P. Not just the inactive one used for the exploit. They know what I.P. are used to access what accounts.Just as you can not log in a trial account and an active account simultaneously from the same I.P. So you say that CCP will ban me because i have an account that has char at war and account is inactive? No they could ban you for exploiting a flawed mechanic for the purpose of grieving. According to the EULA grieving is a banable offense. According to the EULA using exploits is also a banable offense. When CCP imposes a ban they can ban all accounts linked to the same I.P. if they so choose.
You are obviously not using the war mechanics as intended, As your alt character, in your alt corp, who is involved in the war and keeping it active, is on an inactive account. The fact that their is no mechanic for dealing with this issue makes this an exploit. The fact that you are using this exploit to grieve an active player on an active account is a violation of the EULA. The fact that you do not understand this seriously diminishes your credibility. |
Mithril Ryder
Genstar Inc Villore Accords
13
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:40:00 -
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teroarea wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:Most annoying. I had just inspected records and it does seem RR were in HE for only five days and generally had no part of the whole sorry affair so we were actually willing to drop the dec for a nominal fee of 3b isk (we need plex to activate said account of course, hence the cost) . But if we are threathened in forums and in public then we have to reconsider.
This might be a lesson for all people. Inspect what wars you are jumping to before joining and alliance and be cautious if you happen to see sociopath Finns involved. There's no point in thinking about it .. when you will get war from RR to Liandri Covenant please make mutual ... PS : I tried to close this matter in an honourable manner but I see there's no point
You... I like you. *Grabs popcorn*. |
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