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VagabondAlt BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation 15	Posted - 2012.10.25 17:58:00 - [31] - Quote teroarea wrote: Doddy wrote: If they are inactive how did they set the war mutual? Makes no sense bro. Anyway just pay them some of your isk mountain through a third party to drop the war, shouldn't be a problem for a rich man like yourself. Btw its not a bug, ccp are deliberately trolling and seems to be working. maybe this is just a speculation they made in such a way to block certain corps or alliance with these warss in the mutual ,,way`` thats not speculation that's gibberish what are you trying to say here
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 2659	Posted - 2012.10.25 17:58:00 - [32] - Quote I don't believe the issue is that they can't leave the alliance, the issue is that they didn't leave quickly enough and the war will follow them where ever they go. You could simply try the surrender option and offer them some ISK. If they are inactive and don't respond you are in no worse situation than now, if they accept it situation resolved. Nobody would think badly of you for taking that path to get out of a war with an inactive corp playing games like that. I'll have to brush up on the mechanics involved in a mutual war dec, but if I remember correctly they need some improvement in regards to this specific issue. Perhaps instead of a mutual war dec being free instead both sides might pay a reduced fee (one that cannot be automatically paid)... which would help to keep totally inactive corps from pulling stuff like this. The defender would still have the option to lock in the aggressor, but would have to pay a modest fee for the privilege, as well as take responsibility for manually paying the fee. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Weaselior GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 3868	Posted - 2012.10.25 18:01:00 - [33] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: I'll have to brush up on the mechanics involved in a mutual war dec, but if I remember correctly they need some improvement in regards to this specific issue. Perhaps instead of a mutual war dec being free instead both sides might pay a reduced fee (one that cannot be automatically paid)... which would help to keep totally inactive corps from pulling stuff like this. The defender would still have the option to lock in the aggressor, but would have to pay a modest fee for the privilege, as well as take responsibility for manually paying the fee. They're not totally inactive, the guy is lying. We know this because they were alert enough to see the war and make it mutual.
Dramaticus Goonswarm Federation 323	Posted - 2012.10.25 18:02:00 - [34] - Quote um yall are missing the key issue which is the corp that declared the war mutual isn't inactive bring back images
svenska flicka Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 59	Posted - 2012.10.25 18:02:00 - [35] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: I don't believe the issue is that they can't leave the alliance, the issue is that they didn't leave quickly enough and the war will follow them where ever they go. You could simply try the surrender option and offer them some ISK. If they are inactive and don't respond you are in no worse situation than now, if they accept it situation resolved. Nobody would think badly of you for taking that path to get out of a war with an inactive corp playing games like that. I'll have to brush up on the mechanics involved in a mutual war dec, but if I remember correctly they need some improvement in regards to this specific issue. Perhaps instead of a mutual war dec being free instead both sides might pay a reduced fee (one that cannot be automatically paid)... which would help to keep totally inactive corps from pulling stuff like this. The defender would still have the option to lock in the aggressor, but would have to pay a modest fee for the privilege, as well as take responsibility for manually paying the fee. If they can join another alliance just the war carries with them, they should and deal with it, now I am starting to lose sympathy for OP.
Simetraz State War Academy Caldari State 454	Posted - 2012.10.25 18:03:00 - [36] - Quote teroarea wrote: Simetraz wrote: Just 2 questions why did you try and leave the alliance instead of just riding it out. What was the point of entering the alliance to begin with. Second if you are under a permanent war dec and nobody is active in the corp then why does it matter if you are at war or not. I am a little confused at what you want CCP to do. Oh and last what kind of time frame are we talking here. Have you been at war for several months now or something ? Because of this everlasting war the Romania Renegades corporation cannot join any allaince ......this is the game mechanics .... we cannot apply to any alliance while in war status ...in our case the happy endings alliance has began this war Yes they did and you were in the alliance when they started it therefore you started the war and now you are stuck with it. Now that being said. Have you surrendered ? Also look at this thread https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=153021 EVERYBODY KNOWS
Vera Algaert Republic University Minmatar Republic 397	Posted - 2012.10.25 18:04:00 - [37] - Quote teroarea wrote: Although this war has not been started directly by the Romania Renegades corporation it seems that it will continue because of a fault of the organising committee of this game. it's soviets all the way down I'm a NPC corp alt, any argument I make is invalid.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 2659	Posted - 2012.10.25 18:05:00 - [38] - Quote Weaselior wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: I'll have to brush up on the mechanics involved in a mutual war dec, but if I remember correctly they need some improvement in regards to this specific issue. Perhaps instead of a mutual war dec being free instead both sides might pay a reduced fee (one that cannot be automatically paid)... which would help to keep totally inactive corps from pulling stuff like this. The defender would still have the option to lock in the aggressor, but would have to pay a modest fee for the privilege, as well as take responsibility for manually paying the fee. They're not totally inactive, the guy is lying. We know this because they were alert enough to see the war and make it mutual. He's trying to make excuses to get CCP to get him out of the situation rather than pay the ransom. Yeah, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt due to the obvious language issue. I think he meant "largely inactive". To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 10116	Posted - 2012.10.25 18:07:00 - [39] - Quote svenska flicka wrote: If they can join another alliance just the war carries with them, they should and deal with it, now I am starting to lose sympathy for OP. Presumably, since they were part of the alliance that started the way, they are considered the aggressors of the war (even when they leave the alliance itself since the war is copied over), and as such are not allowed to join a new alliance. Being the aggressor corp is the only case where a wardec mechanically blocks anything you want to do. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
Slasher88 Total Mayhem. Northern Coalition. 0	Posted - 2012.10.25 18:09:00 - [40] - Quote i think the problem is not that they have a active mutual war it's that they cannot join another alliance , i knew that for chars there is a 7 day period until they can rejoin a corp under a active war , have no idea if the same rule applies for corps that leave / join alliances . As i understand it and also have some inside info on the situation : RR was part of a alliance that declared war on a corp , they left said alliance for whatever reason (really doubt they left because of the war) . Got stuck with a war that eventually was declared mutual and are not able to join a new alliance because of it . If that is the case it sounds a little weird . There should be a way to join a alliance even if u are under wardec .

svenska flicka Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 61	Posted - 2012.10.25 18:11:00 - [41] - Quote Tippia wrote: svenska flicka wrote: If they can join another alliance just the war carries with them, they should and deal with it, now I am starting to lose sympathy for OP. Presumably, since they were part of the alliance that started the way, they are considered the aggressors of the war (even when they leave the alliance itself since the war is copied over), and as such are not allowed to join a new alliance. Being the aggressor corp is the only case where a wardec mechanically blocks anything you want to do. Well then I do sympathize, seems a fix is in order then? At least have the war carry over but in a new alliance right.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 2660	Posted - 2012.10.25 18:14:00 - [42] - Quote Slasher88 wrote: i think the problem is not that they have a active mutual war it's that they cannot join another alliance , i knew that for chars there is a 7 day period until they can rejoin a corp under a active war , have no idea if the same rule applies for corps that leave / join alliances . As i understand it and also have some inside info on the situation : RR was part of a alliance that declared war on a corp , they left said alliance for whatever reason (really doubt they left because of the war) . Got stuck with a war that eventually was declared mutual and are not able to join a new alliance because of it . If that is the case it sounds a little weird . There should be a way to join a alliance even if u are under wardec . I won't go that far, but I think that the corp that sets the war to mutual should have to preform some sort of upkeep and/or fee to keep it that way. Granted, if the corp isn't really all that inactive they can easily do this... but if they really are mostly inactive they should either run out of money or eventually miss the 24 hour window of opportunity to keep the war mutual. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Lithalnas Privateers 129	Posted - 2012.10.25 18:17:00 - [43] - Quote Well, highsec greifers gave up the ability to do 2mil wardecs on everyone for the ability to prevent you from running away with a game mechanic. You could 'deal with it' or you could negotiate with the aggressors. https://www.facebook.com/RipSeanVileRatSmith shoot at blue for Vile Rat http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=73406
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 10117	Posted - 2012.10.25 18:19:00 - [44] - Quote svenska flicka wrote: Well then I do sympathize, seems a fix is in order then? At least have the war carry over but in a new alliance right. Nah. They specifically wanted to avoid that so that you can't GÇ£sneakGÇ¥ in a lot of free support on the aggressor side. The issue would rather be the copying of the aggressor and/or mutuality flags, and even those are iffy as far as issues go. The actual problem here is that they apparently can't get the other side to react to (and, preferably, agree to) an offer of surrender. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
teroarea ROMANIA Renegades 5	Posted - 2012.10.25 18:22:00 - [45] - Quote Ranger 1 wrote: I don't believe the issue is that they can't leave the alliance, the issue is that they didn't leave quickly enough and the war will follow them where ever they go. You could simply try the surrender option and offer them some ISK. If they are inactive and don't respond you are in no worse situation than now, if they accept it situation resolved. Nobody would think badly of you for taking that path to get out of a war with an inactive corp playing games like that. I'll have to brush up on the mechanics involved in a mutual war dec, but if I remember correctly they need some improvement in regards to this specific issue. Perhaps instead of a mutual war dec being free instead both sides might pay a reduced fee (one that cannot be automatically paid)... which would help to keep totally inactive corps from pulling stuff like this. The defender would still have the option to lock in the aggressor, but would have to pay a modest fee for the privilege, as well as take responsibility for manually paying the fee. We have tried all options ...even the surrernding one... after 3 weeks of uselees atempts of contacting any member of theyr corp we had no rezult .....
svenska flicka Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 61	Posted - 2012.10.25 18:23:00 - [46] - Quote Tippia wrote: svenska flicka wrote: Well then I do sympathize, seems a fix is in order then? At least have the war carry over but in a new alliance right. Nah. They specifically wanted to avoid that so that you can't GÇ£sneakGÇ¥ in a lot of free support on the aggressor side. The issue would rather be the copying of the aggressor and/or mutuality flags, and even those are iffy as far as issues go. The actual problem here is that they apparently can't get the other side to react to (and, preferably, agree to) an offer of surrender. Maybe make the mutual war just carry over to corp but not whole alliance? Yeah, this is a not easy to figure out, maybe the OP just chewed more than he could swallow and he needs to face it and just wait or pay whatever they ask. Also wondered why he decided to leave just as war became mutual? I am all over the place on this one, sympathy or no sympathy, that is the question
teroarea ROMANIA Renegades 5	Posted - 2012.10.25 18:25:00 - [47] - Quote Weaselior wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: I'll have to brush up on the mechanics involved in a mutual war dec, but if I remember correctly they need some improvement in regards to this specific issue. Perhaps instead of a mutual war dec being free instead both sides might pay a reduced fee (one that cannot be automatically paid)... which would help to keep totally inactive corps from pulling stuff like this. The defender would still have the option to lock in the aggressor, but would have to pay a modest fee for the privilege, as well as take responsibility for manually paying the fee. They're not totally inactive, the guy is lying. We know this because they were alert enough to see the war and make it mutual. He's trying to make excuses to get CCP to get him out of the situation rather than pay the ransom. We made the surrendering offer but nowbody is online to accept it
svenska flicka Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 61	Posted - 2012.10.25 18:28:00 - [48] - Quote teroarea wrote: Weaselior wrote: Ranger 1 wrote: I'll have to brush up on the mechanics involved in a mutual war dec, but if I remember correctly they need some improvement in regards to this specific issue. Perhaps instead of a mutual war dec being free instead both sides might pay a reduced fee (one that cannot be automatically paid)... which would help to keep totally inactive corps from pulling stuff like this. The defender would still have the option to lock in the aggressor, but would have to pay a modest fee for the privilege, as well as take responsibility for manually paying the fee. They're not totally inactive, the guy is lying. We know this because they were alert enough to see the war and make it mutual. He's trying to make excuses to get CCP to get him out of the situation rather than pay the ransom. We made the surrendering offer but nowbody is online to accept it Maybe they will be online this weekend, or person with ability to accept.
teroarea ROMANIA Renegades 6	Posted - 2012.10.25 18:35:00 - [49] - Quote Lithalnas wrote: Well, highsec greifers gave up the ability to do 2mil wardecs on everyone for the ability to prevent you from running away with a game mechanic. You could 'deal with it' or you could negotiate with the aggressors. I've tryed this thing but no results .they totaly inactives
teroarea ROMANIA Renegades 6	Posted - 2012.10.25 18:40:00 - [50] - Quote svenska flicka wrote: Tippia wrote: svenska flicka wrote: Well then I do sympathize, seems a fix is in order then? At least have the war carry over but in a new alliance right. Nah. They specifically wanted to avoid that so that you can't GÇ£sneakGÇ¥ in a lot of free support on the aggressor side. The issue would rather be the copying of the aggressor and/or mutuality flags, and even those are iffy as far as issues go. The actual problem here is that they apparently can't get the other side to react to (and, preferably, agree to) an offer of surrender. Maybe make the mutual war just carry over to corp but not whole alliance? Yeah, this is a not easy to figure out, maybe the OP just chewed more than he could swallow and he needs to face it and just wait or pay whatever they ask. Also wondered why he decided to leave just as war became mutual? I am all over the place on this one, sympathy or no sympathy, that is the question Even we have left the alliance they have the oportunity within 24 hours to make the war mutual......when we have exited the alliance the war was not mutual

svenska flicka Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 61	Posted - 2012.10.25 18:45:00 - [51] - Quote teroarea wrote: svenska flicka wrote: Tippia wrote: svenska flicka wrote: Well then I do sympathize, seems a fix is in order then? At least have the war carry over but in a new alliance right. Nah. They specifically wanted to avoid that so that you can't GÇ£sneakGÇ¥ in a lot of free support on the aggressor side. The issue would rather be the copying of the aggressor and/or mutuality flags, and even those are iffy as far as issues go. The actual problem here is that they apparently can't get the other side to react to (and, preferably, agree to) an offer of surrender. Maybe make the mutual war just carry over to corp but not whole alliance? Yeah, this is a not easy to figure out, maybe the OP just chewed more than he could swallow and he needs to face it and just wait or pay whatever they ask. Also wondered why he decided to leave just as war became mutual? I am all over the place on this one, sympathy or no sympathy, that is the question Even we have left the alliance they have the oportunity within 24 hours to make the war mutual......when we have exited the alliance the war was not mutual Maybe that showed weakness and they thought, ha, they are running, let's make it mutual. But how is this not your fault though?
Gogela Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance 1317	Posted - 2012.10.25 18:48:00 - [52] - Quote This puts a big smile on my face. I'm glad that wars mean something again and dec-shielding has gotten so much harder. I agree w/ the GM... you should disband your corp in shame and start another one, endeavoring to make better alliance and war choices in the future. +9001 to CCP for the new WarDecs! /feature working as intended. Every Ship in GëíGêçGëí \| [FX7] \| Vote Cthulhu 2012
Metal Icarus Endless Destruction 325	Posted - 2012.10.25 18:58:00 - [53] - Quote Hmmm, now that I know more about this... Start killing alliance members i say... fuckem

CCP Phantom C C P C C P Alliance 2369	Posted - 2012.10.25 19:00:00 - [54] - Quote Off topic posts removed. Moved from EVE General discussion. CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator

teroarea ROMANIA Renegades 6	Posted - 2012.10.25 19:11:00 - [55] - Quote CCP Phantom wrote: Off topic posts removed. Moved from EVE General discussion. Why did u move this topic?....the topic was fitting perfectly in general discutions ......do i have to understand that u guys want to cover this topic for the plain reason that u dont have a honest answer to my questions?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 10120	Posted - 2012.10.25 19:14:00 - [56] - Quote teroarea wrote: Why did u move this topic? Because Warfare and Tactics is a better forum for discussion about issues related to wardecs? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
OsirisShi ROMANIA Renegades 1	Posted - 2012.10.25 19:17:00 - [57] - Quote So, first of all stop trolling all that are not involve in this and cant do a proper reaply to this matter. Second yes we are bad at english . The point is we are not affraid of this war they have 10 almost inactive players. We dont have option for surrender,abord or what ever u want to exit this war, not even an option to give money or other metod to play some fee. We haved been transfered to a senior GM and the answer was the same: Disband the corp!(This is the massive fail) For all that cant understand we cant f**** disband a 10 years old corp because ccp cant find a solution to this matter, i rather say exploit that are using this guys for blocking us to enter an alliance. So the big problem is We cant enter any alliance because of this ** war and we want a solution to end or even the possibility to apply to any alliance we want.
Ranger 1 Ranger Corp 2660	Posted - 2012.10.25 19:29:00 - [58] - Quote Gogela wrote: This puts a big smile on my face. I'm glad that wars mean something again and dec-shielding has gotten so much harder. I agree w/ the GM... you should disband your corp in shame and start another one, endeavoring to make better alliance and war choices in the future. +9001 to CCP for the new WarDecs! /feature working as intended. On many levels of the war dec mechanics I agree, but not on this one. You should not be able to trap someone in a war dec through complete inactivity. If you want to trap someone, that's fine, but it should require some effort and outlay of ISK to achieve. That being said, they DO have an option (disbanding) which they may have to seriously consider, but I am siding with the opinion that nobody should be forced to that decision due to a LACK of action on their opponents part. This mechanic is not encouraging the intended use of the war dec system, in fact it is strongly discouraging it's use. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base.
Slasher88 Total Mayhem. Northern Coalition. 1	Posted - 2012.10.25 19:51:00 - [59] - Quote Wow this is a very bad idea on ccp's part i mean they passed out on all that isk if the war is declared mutual . On the other hand i am wondering how much time did they spend on this idea since there is no exit strategy other than of course the mutual agreement. But thinking about this some more anyone can create a corp put it into a alliance that is being wardeced and then inherit the was and declare mutual and hunt the wardeccing alliance/ corp until ccp decides on a alternative option or shuts down the server . That would serve very well with the old war deccing like Moar Tears Privateers and co :) . I don't think anyone would want a perma war with those guys esp the 0.0 alliances . I thought the new price for war was to prevent these stupid war decs and make the real ones more fun but since this loophole exists and well it has been deemed a normal game mechanic it will probably become a normal thing in new eden in a few days . Yes u need to fall in for the trap as u need to do the wardec but some ppl never read .... All i would like to say further is ... IN B4 IT HAPPENS TO GEWNS AND THE MECHANIC IS CHANGED BY MASS PETITION
Dan Carter Murray 157	Posted - 2012.10.25 20:21:00 - [60] - Quote unfortunately, you joined an alliance full of dumb fucks who drop dreads on BC fleets of fellow militia members outside a station which they can redock in. next time maybe talk to some of the diplomats or higher ups in the alliance and try to feel out what % of dumb ** they are. there definitely is a certain acceptable % of dumb **, but Happy Endings alliance is not only full of high % dumb fucks but also have a high % of their members as high % dumb fucks. I suppose your only choice is to meet the demands to stop the war or abandon your corp and restart. working as intended.



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