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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
277
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:44:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote:Then why do you need billions of isk to buy PLEX to reactivate an account to drop the war? And they can ban all accounts linked to your I.P. Not just the inactive one used for the exploit. They know what I.P. are used to access what accounts.Just as you can not log in a trial account and an active account simultaneously from the same I.P. So you say that CCP will ban me because i have an account that has char at war and account is inactive?  No they could ban you for exploiting a flawed mechanic for the purpose of grieving. According to the EULA grieving is a banable offense. According to the EULA using exploits is also a banable offense. When CCP imposes a ban they can ban all accounts linked to the same I.P. if they so choose. You are obviously not using the war mechanics as intended, As your alt character, in your alt corp, who is involved in the war and keeping it active, is on an inactive account. The fact that their is no mechanic for dealing with this issue makes this an exploit. The fact that you are using this exploit to grieve an active player on an active account is a violation of the EULA. The fact that you do not understand this seriously diminishes your credibility.
Purpose of grieving? No, as we came to conclusion that both are willing to continue this war, even willing to expand, mutual is just right thing, not grieving on anyway.
Offering surrending terms and not accepting those is not grieving, it is just failed diplomacy and negotiation, and when that happens war starts or continues. |

Cynthia Nezmor
Nezmor's Golden Griffins
71
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:49:00 -
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It's amazing how quickly it went from "masive fail on game designers' part, save us from the consequences of our actions" to "when you will get war ...please make mutual ". |

Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
277
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Posted - 2012.10.26 20:52:00 -
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Cynthia Nezmor wrote:It's amazing how quickly it went from "masive fail on game designers' part, save us from the consequences of our actions" to "when you will get war ...please make mutual ".
Some people might learn something about new wardec mechanics in this thread. |

dark torr
Avon Arrat
0
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Posted - 2012.10.26 21:05:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Cynthia Nezmor wrote:It's amazing how quickly it went from "masive fail on game designers' part, save us from the consequences of our actions" to "when you will get war ...please make mutual ". Some people might learn something .
yeah we do .. it's clearly that CCP FAILS |

Slasher88
Total Mayhem. Northern Coalition.
4
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Posted - 2012.10.26 21:20:00 -
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this is funny i checked this guys corp out and he didn't set the war that war declared on his alliance to mutual he only used that alt corp so he cannot be killed without consequence . hey bigboy if u are the pvper u say u are why don't u use your main corp for that and only a alt corp .... you come and say it's not griefieng and when ppl check u out they see a liitle bear turd with illusions of grandure ....
please explain to all the peeps in this thread why u did no use Liandri Covenant and set mutual war with them or would that interrupt your bearing too much and you would loose those 50 bils a week u need to maybe keep up your rent |

Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
277
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Posted - 2012.10.26 21:22:00 -
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dark torr wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Cynthia Nezmor wrote:It's amazing how quickly it went from "masive fail on game designers' part, save us from the consequences of our actions" to "when you will get war ...please make mutual ". Some people might learn something . yeah we do .. it's clearly that CCP FAILS
just read their devblog about issue and reasons why things are how they are. |

Slasher88
Total Mayhem. Northern Coalition.
5
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Posted - 2012.10.26 22:08:00 -
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hey bad meesanger no reply u got wrdeced ony your main corp and u surrendered and now act high an mighty :)) the plot thickens |

Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
277
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Posted - 2012.10.26 22:20:00 -
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Slasher88 wrote:hey bad meesanger no reply u got wrdeced ony your main corp and u surrendered and now act high an mighty :)) the plot thickens
We are just carebears not any pvp players. |

Deen Wispa
Justified Chaos
344
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Posted - 2012.10.26 22:58:00 -
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This isn't an exploit. While I disagree with BM on many things, they are using the game mechanics to their advantage. Much like how pirates use the Orca mechanic to gatecamp and GTFO when overwhelmed. As for RR being a 10 year old corp full of memories and nostalgia, CCP doesn't take sentimentality into account when trying to fix said issue. The burden falls on RR to do their homework rather than go willy nilly and join any alliance. Clearly RR didn't do their homework. Sorry to be so cold, but that's the truth. Gallente FW Blog http://iamsheriff.com/blog C'est La Eve :) |

Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
277
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Posted - 2012.10.26 23:32:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:This isn't an exploit. While I disagree with BM on many things, they are using the game mechanics to their advantage. Much like how pirates use the Orca mechanic to gatecamp and GTFO when overwhelmed. As for RR being a 10 year old corp full of memories and nostalgia, CCP doesn't take sentimentality into account when trying to fix said issue. The burden falls on RR to do their homework rather than go willy nilly and join any alliance. Clearly RR didn't do their homework. Sorry to be so cold, but that's the truth.
PS - If RR can't negotiate with BM, then just dec his entire alliance and see what happens. Liandri has a 33% KB efficiency. There's so many ways you can force this issue, even if it's through warfare than diplomacy. There are ways to resolve the issue if you want to join an alliance that badly. This is New Eden; Might Makes Right.
Sure i am ready to negotiate about terms of surrender, but it seems that our vision about how much is proper amount of isk is so much different that they can not accept it.
They do not realise that potential income for EMPE in time of that war was about 1600b so couple millions for ending war seems pretty pathetic amount of isk compared to potetial damage taken.
Also their participation on alliance who wardecs own militia is not any reason to lower demands either.
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dark torr
Avon Arrat
1
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Posted - 2012.10.26 23:45:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:This isn't an exploit. While I disagree with BM on many things, they are using the game mechanics to their advantage. Much like how pirates use the Orca mechanic to gatecamp and GTFO when overwhelmed. As for RR being a 10 year old corp full of memories and nostalgia, CCP doesn't take sentimentality into account when trying to fix said issue. The burden falls on RR to do their homework rather than go willy nilly and join any alliance. Clearly RR didn't do their homework. Sorry to be so cold, but that's the truth.
PS - If RR can't negotiate with BM, then just dec his entire alliance and see what happens. Liandri has a 33% KB efficiency. There's so many ways you can force this issue, even if it's through warfare than diplomacy. There are ways to resolve the issue if you want to join an alliance that badly. This is New Eden; Might Makes Right. Sure i am ready to negotiate about terms of surrender, but it seems that our vision about how much is proper amount of isk is so much different that they can not accept it. They do not realise that potential income for EMPE in time of that war was about 1600b so couple millions for ending war seems pretty pathetic amount of isk compared to potetial damage taken. Also their participation on alliance who wardecs own militia is not any reason to lower demands either.
what time of war ??? they are not in militia since the day war started ,they moved back to 0.0 |

Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
94
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Posted - 2012.10.27 04:32:00 -
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dark torr wrote:what time of war ??? they are not in militia since the day war started ,they moved back to 0.0
Incorrect. They were in militia for 5 days and participated in war against Nasranite Watch.
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Dan Carter Murray
160
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Posted - 2012.10.27 05:02:00 -
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ALL YOUR BITCHING BELONG TO US.
oh and um...why not just pay the 50mil that bad messenger offered you? |

OsirisShi
ROMANIA Renegades
1
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Posted - 2012.10.27 07:06:00 -
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Dan Carter Murray wrote:ALL YOUR BITCHING BELONG TO US.
oh and um...why not just pay the 50mil that bad messenger offered you?
I think u cant see well they want 50 bils lol for this 50 bils i promis u a beat the **** of u. |

Tosi
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
0
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Posted - 2012.10.27 10:08:00 -
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I find this 50b very reasonable. Considering that's basicly not even 10% of the isk you could have made in fw in those 5 days you were in happy endings. |

Doddy
Excidium. Executive Outcomes
349
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Posted - 2012.10.27 10:10:00 -
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teroarea wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:Antares 04 wrote:The problem appeared after RR had been persuaded to leave the alliance, (apparently they did not do so out of fear of some 10-man corp) because once they had done so they were still at war with the 10-man corp, and that corp then made the war mutual. Actually I might be mistaken here but the war was mutual to begin with and the moment RR left alliance on their own, they were permanently saddled with it. I did see some surrender offer but I think it was 3m isk or 300k isk so I assumed it was just a trolling attempt. Antares 04 wrote:You have been around for to long to be broken by this issue. Nor should you give your 'targets' the satisfaction of ruining your enjoyment. You do understand that they declared war on us with intent of breaking us and ruining our enjoyment. Not other way around. Why should we feel bad for 200 man corp attempting to make war on 10 man corp? When an alliance declares war , the lider of an alliance doesnt ask each corporation in part if they whant to join the war, he just acts , but Romanian Renegades didnt whant this war, not beause we had a problem fighting this war , just becasue we had other plans and not our corporation declared war against them, we just waked up with this war even if we left Happty Endings, this is only CCP game mechanics
So you joined a crap alliance, isn't that your fault?
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dark torr
Avon Arrat
1
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Posted - 2012.10.27 10:38:00 -
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Yuri Intaki wrote:dark torr wrote:what time of war ??? they are not in militia since the day war started ,they moved back to 0.0 Incorrect. They were in militia for 5 days and participated in war against Nasranite Watch.
Happy Endings 2012.10.09 to 2012.10.14 and ther war started on 14 .. how the **** did they participated 5 days in war ??
You need math lessons ??? I |

Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
277
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Posted - 2012.10.27 11:05:00 -
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dark torr wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:dark torr wrote:what time of war ??? they are not in militia since the day war started ,they moved back to 0.0 Incorrect. They were in militia for 5 days and participated in war against Nasranite Watch. Happy Endings 2012.10.09 to 2012.10.14 and ther war started on 14 .. how the **** did they participated 5 days in war ?? You need math lessons ??? I
think once again |

Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
94
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Posted - 2012.10.27 11:45:00 -
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dark torr wrote:You need math lessons ??? I
You might want to look on older history where HE vs NAERY war lasted from 2012.08.31 to 2012.10.13
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Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Swift Angels Alliance
486
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Posted - 2012.10.27 13:08:00 -
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Yuri Intaki wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote: So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes?
I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable.
This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed. It's our alt corp and we hardly remember it's existence at best of times. As said, our main corp Nasranite Watch was decced too, war lasted for weeks and you can inspect the records of how it went. for everyone included. Broken mechanic was not even triggered deliberately, it just kept going due to previous events and RR got the brunt of it for joining the alliance that decced Nasranites & Empe. But next time if someone wants to do diplomacy with us, you really should contact Damar, not other guys. I'm actually the "good cop" who can be reasoned with  (Unless you are a member of froggie militia)
Best spadework ever.
"Oshit son, this is broken griefing, so better make it look totes inadvertent in case of GM's getting het up on us!"
You certainly fooled me with your concerted revelations about how you all totally forgot you had alts in a corp you used to suck up wardecs. Taking submissions for "Trinkets friendly Advice Column" via evemail or private convo in-game. Anonymity sorta guaranteed.
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
277
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Posted - 2012.10.27 13:49:00 -
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Trinkets friend wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote: So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes?
I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable.
This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed. It's our alt corp and we hardly remember it's existence at best of times. As said, our main corp Nasranite Watch was decced too, war lasted for weeks and you can inspect the records of how it went. for everyone included. Broken mechanic was not even triggered deliberately, it just kept going due to previous events and RR got the brunt of it for joining the alliance that decced Nasranites & Empe. But next time if someone wants to do diplomacy with us, you really should contact Damar, not other guys. I'm actually the "good cop" who can be reasoned with  (Unless you are a member of froggie militia) Best spadework ever. "Oshit son, this is broken griefing, so better make it look totes inadvertent in case of GM's getting het up on us!" You certainly fooled me with your concerted revelations about how you all totally forgot you had alts in a corp you used to suck up wardecs.
GM is not getting us or they are not even interested about it, there is no exploits or exploiting on this case, everything is working as intended. |

Slasher88
Total Mayhem. Northern Coalition.
7
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Posted - 2012.10.27 16:21:00 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote: So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes?
I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable.
This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed. It's our alt corp and we hardly remember it's existence at best of times. As said, our main corp Nasranite Watch was decced too, war lasted for weeks and you can inspect the records of how it went. for everyone included. Broken mechanic was not even triggered deliberately, it just kept going due to previous events and RR got the brunt of it for joining the alliance that decced Nasranites & Empe. But next time if someone wants to do diplomacy with us, you really should contact Damar, not other guys. I'm actually the "good cop" who can be reasoned with  (Unless you are a member of froggie militia) Best spadework ever. "Oshit son, this is broken griefing, so better make it look totes inadvertent in case of GM's getting het up on us!" You certainly fooled me with your concerted revelations about how you all totally forgot you had alts in a corp you used to suck up wardecs. GM is not getting us or they are not even interested about it, there is no exploits or exploiting on this case, everything is working as intended.
what a bounch of carebears a alliance that is makeing ""1600b"" in a week and only flies cruises as the most expensive ships , hey bad messanger was the rent up when they war decced u and u were shivering that u might get kicked out ... + haveing a 35% eff makes u such a good fw alliance ..... the only thing your allaince has done is go and survivie as a parasite in the areas real fw alliances live ... btw m8 i hope u won't use any caps in the near future we might see eachother in local and i will have a blast |

Teh Nurffe
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
0
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Posted - 2012.10.27 17:00:00 -
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Slasher88 wrote:Bad Messenger wrote:Trinkets friend wrote:Yuri Intaki wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote: So you admit that this is an inactive corp left only to keep the war going for grieving purposes?
I get that you were a small corp and did not have the numbers to fight back thru PVP. But exploiting a broken mechanic to get back at them through grieving is not acceptable.
This is an exploit used for grieving and absolutely must be fixed. It's our alt corp and we hardly remember it's existence at best of times. As said, our main corp Nasranite Watch was decced too, war lasted for weeks and you can inspect the records of how it went. for everyone included. Broken mechanic was not even triggered deliberately, it just kept going due to previous events and RR got the brunt of it for joining the alliance that decced Nasranites & Empe. But next time if someone wants to do diplomacy with us, you really should contact Damar, not other guys. I'm actually the "good cop" who can be reasoned with  (Unless you are a member of froggie militia) Best spadework ever. "Oshit son, this is broken griefing, so better make it look totes inadvertent in case of GM's getting het up on us!" You certainly fooled me with your concerted revelations about how you all totally forgot you had alts in a corp you used to suck up wardecs. GM is not getting us or they are not even interested about it, there is no exploits or exploiting on this case, everything is working as intended. what a bounch of carebears a alliance that is makeing ""1600b"" in a week and only flies cruises as the most expensive ships , hey bad messanger was the rent up when they war decced u and u were shivering that u might get kicked out ... + haveing a 35% eff makes u such a good fw alliance ..... the only thing your allaince has done is go and survivie as a parasite in the areas real fw alliances live ... btw m8 i hope u won't use any caps in the near future we might see eachother in local and i will have a blast
Few questions:
What does our alliance has to do with this? Bad Messenger was talking about potential income of Emperor Throne Guards
What makes you think that we care about alliance efficiency? It's already told in this thread that we are all just carebears. Also our motives to join Liandri Covenant is also explained in this thread if you care to read
This is completely out of topic but why should us fly anything larger than cruiser when our enemis are mostly flying ships rangin from frigates to cruisers? I guess you don't have slighest idea about fw. Also please keep in mind that we are carebears and we were just farming billions of isk every day thus there is no freaking reason why we would be flying bigger ships. Is this a problem for you?
and just to remind you, this whole thread is about war between RR and EMPE where RR is aggressor. Bad Messenger already told the price it would cost for RR to get rid of war. It's very simple.. They didn't accept it and now they are in everlasting war
Eve is all about decisions.. RR has made their decision
Also game is working as intended. Please read dev blog about why war mechanics are how they are |

Squatdog
State Protectorate Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2012.10.28 06:08:00 -
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As we all know, the Finns are a delicate, sensitive people and Bad Messenger has obviously been deeply saddened by these acts of unprovoked aggression.
In order to make amends, the guilty party should contribute a 50b donation to his alliance, along with a five page hand-written apology for not only the emotional distress caused by their gratuitously unprovoked war-dec, but also for Romania's complicity in the Soviet War of Aggression against a peace-loving Finland. |

Silence iKillYouu
KA POW POW Inc Late Night Alliance
203
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Posted - 2012.10.29 01:51:00 -
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Jim Era wrote:wait so, OP and his corp have been in EVE since the beginning, they are still losing to 10 inactive players?
pwnd U idiot the 10man corp is inactive http://fw-frontline.blogspot.com/ |

sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade Lost Obsession
372
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Posted - 2012.10.29 02:18:00 -
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This thread read like
"Wardecced someone, getting killed, wanna leave, can't and don't wanna pay for it. Help me mummy!"
If they are inactive, then so what War Targets that don't log in, or not actually war targets. Carry on playing. |

chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate Drunk 'n' Disorderly
224
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Posted - 2012.10.29 02:54:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:This thread read like
"Wardecced someone, getting killed, wanna leave, can't and don't wanna pay for it. Help me mummy!"
If they are inactive, then so what War Targets that don't log in, or not actually war targets. Carry on playing.
Except the war is preventing them from carrying on playing, e.g. they are unable to join any alliance. |

Yuri Intaki
Nasranite Watch Liandri Covenant
95
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Posted - 2012.10.29 08:44:00 -
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chatgris wrote:Except that no-one is getting killed, and the war is preventing them from carrying on playing, e.g. they are unable to join any alliance.
Again, do not tell me you would not do the same. You can shout on forums about "fair play" but when chips are down, you are as bad of a human being as everyone else playing this s.itty game. Also, alliance diplomat have not actually contacted CEO of Nasranite Watch who might be able sort this out (which would have been smart route to go instead of 8 page threadnaught). |

Xylorn Hasher
Sumiyoshi-Kai
47
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Posted - 2012.10.29 09:18:00 -
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sYnc Vir wrote:This thread read like
"Wardecced someone, getting killed, wanna leave, can't and don't wanna pay for it. Help me mummy!"
If they are inactive, then so what War Targets that don't log in, or not actually war targets. Carry on playing.
Exacly. |

dark torr
Avon Arrat
1
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Posted - 2012.10.29 13:26:00 -
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Xylorn Hasher wrote:sYnc Vir wrote:This thread read like
"Wardecced someone, getting killed, wanna leave, can't and don't wanna pay for it. Help me mummy!"
If they are inactive, then so what War Targets that don't log in, or not actually war targets. Carry on playing. Exacly.
it not about kills or losses ... it about u dont have how to join an alliance |
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