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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
466
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Posted - 2012.11.05 11:43:00 -
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lolthread
at least some tears here |

Samillian
180
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Posted - 2012.11.05 11:55:00 -
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This again, it must be something to do with the time of year, that or an ongoing lack of imagination and guts.
OP, a cloaky in local is only a problem if you let it be one, sitting in station trembling does you no good.
Organise a heavily tanked bait ship to go ratting (or use a Skiff to mine) and have a gang ready to warp in on the bait when the drop happens, make sure your bait has points and your bound to snag something. Making your lurker think every ship he sees is a trap is the best way of getting him to move to fresh pastures but it takes time coordination and patience.
If you can't manage that then you either need to join a corp that can or move somewhere less challenging to you. NBSI shall be the whole of the Law |

Dar Manic
Republic University Minmatar Republic
33
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Posted - 2012.11.05 14:51:00 -
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Samillian wrote:This again, it must be something to do with the time of year, that or an ongoing lack of imagination and guts.
OP, a cloaky in local is only a problem if you let it be one, sitting in station trembling does you no good.
Organise a heavily tanked bait ship to go ratting (or use a Skiff to mine) and have a gang ready to warp in on the bait when the drop happens, make sure your bait has points and your bound to snag something. Making your lurker think every ship he sees is a trap is the best way of getting him to move to fresh pastures but it takes time coordination and patience.
If you can't manage that then you either need to join a corp that can or move somewhere less challenging to you.
AFK stealth pilots in null sex still aren't an issue. I just don't understand null sec players.
Please note: Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up.-á Thank you. |

Yamaria Ube
Critical Mass Inc. Nexus Fleet
1
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Posted - 2012.11.05 16:42:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Thomas Orca wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
The only way any cloacker becomes a serious threat to you is when he lights a cover/regular cyno. If you don't see any of these then he's just afk and can't harm you. + makes all afraid idiots dock up while you can make better isk
No one ever dies to solo cloaked ships Of course not, since cloaked ships can't do anything remotely aggressive to you.
Do hound torps do much against a Macinaw? |

Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
164
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Posted - 2012.11.05 16:45:00 -
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Yamaria Ube wrote: Do hound torps do much against a Macinaw?
Only if uncloaked and if not afk.
_______________________________________ Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.-á |

Ix Aideron
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
2
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Posted - 2012.11.05 16:55:00 -
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Can you prove they are AFK if they are cloaked????? |

Yamaria Ube
Critical Mass Inc. Nexus Fleet
1
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Posted - 2012.11.05 17:22:00 -
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Rordan D'Kherr wrote:Yamaria Ube wrote: Do hound torps do much against a Macinaw?
Only if uncloaked and if not afk. meh, this thread / topic never dies. *slaps himself*
SO, should a mackinaw pilot simply ignore a cloaky neut in a system where he's mining? Is that wise?
The problem is that even if he is afk, at some point, unknown to the Mackinaw, he'll return to the keyboard. And the first indicator might be a shrapnel bomb pointed at him. |

Maggeridon Thoraz
Reconfiguration Nation Transmission Lost
31
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Posted - 2012.11.05 18:10:00 -
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ccp, please fix afk dockers, sitting 4 hours docked afk is an exploit, cant you change mechanic to eject them 100km of station  |

Melodee619
The Scope Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2012.11.06 04:00:00 -
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Yamaria Ube wrote:Rordan D'Kherr wrote:Yamaria Ube wrote: Do hound torps do much against a Macinaw?
Only if uncloaked and if not afk. meh, this thread / topic never dies. *slaps himself* SO, should a mackinaw pilot simply ignore a cloaky neut in a system where he's mining? Is that wise? The problem is that even if he is afk, at some point, unknown to the Mackinaw, he'll return to the keyboard. And the first indicator might be a shrapnel bomb pointed at him.
A bomb wont do much to you, an you can tank a mack to 40+k hp. Drones "WILL" kill a SB. Not only that, if you as a miner are belt mining in 0.0 your a fool, not to mention your alliance prolly wont like it, because it attracts reds. |

Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
165
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Posted - 2012.11.06 06:35:00 -
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Yamaria Ube wrote: SO, should a mackinaw pilot simply ignore a cloaky neut in a system where he's mining? Is that wise?
The problem is that even if he is afk, at some point, unknown to the Mackinaw, he'll return to the keyboard. And the first indicator might be a shrapnel bomb pointed at him.
Ok.
Now tell me where the problem is.
_______________________________________ Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime.-á |
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pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
698
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Posted - 2012.11.06 08:20:00 -
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Hocico wrote:Hi,
what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!
She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar....
CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp.
AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.
Hoc
simple solution go to the next system surely there are more than one null sec systems I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |

xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Intrepid Crossing
84
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Posted - 2012.11.06 09:14:00 -
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lol don't you love it when you get players going,, NO NO NO,, leave our fav thing to do alone, even if it is without a counter to it.
I have a question for cloakers, the so called AFK ones, why are you so afraid of a counter to cloaking ?
i use cloaks all the time and wouldn't have a problem with there being a counter to it, infact it would make the hunt/being hunted that bit more exciting 
i might be wrong, but meh, the only reason i'd not want a counter to cloaking is if i was AFK and could be found while i was busy watching tv/playing another game/on another account/walking the dogs/having a sleep/not paying attention to the game.
the only reason i can see for people not wanting a counter to cloaks say a ship (destroyers) being able to fit a module that can transmit a signal within the same range of a directional scanner that would upset a cloaking device enough to allow the right skilled player to be able to probe him down, perhaps with specialized probes would be if your AFK. because i know if was cloaked and being hunted i'd be bouncing around the system.
fear a change to cloaking mechanics, fear the cloak disruptors AFK pilots, i don't blame you lol
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TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc
483
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Posted - 2012.11.06 12:28:00 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:lol don't you love it when you get players going,, NO NO NO,, leave our fav thing to do alone, even if it is without a counter to it. I have a question for cloakers, the so called AFK ones, why are you so afraid of a counter to cloaking ? i use cloaks all the time and wouldn't have a problem with there being a counter to it, infact it would make the hunt/being hunted that bit more exciting  i might be wrong, but meh, the only reason i'd not want a counter to cloaking is if i was AFK and could be found while i was busy watching tv/playing another game/on another account/walking the dogs/having a sleep/not paying attention to the game. the only reason i can see for people not wanting a counter to cloaks say a ship (destroyers) being able to fit a module that can transmit a signal within the same range of a directional scanner that would upset a cloaking device enough to allow the right skilled player to be able to probe him down, perhaps with specialized probes would be if your AFK. because i know if was cloaked and being hunted i'd be bouncing around the system. fear a change to cloaking mechanics, fear the cloak disruptors AFK pilots, i don't blame you lol
Because we realise that it is a mechanic that is already perfectly balanced and does not require a counter any more than someone being docked requires a "counter", and how it is a very necessary mechanic as a result of the stupid and outdated local mechanics. I have yet to see a single anti-cloaker post provide legitimate reasons as to why cloaking, as it currently is, is an issue, or why they should be able to kill other players who are afk.
Also, they seem to fail to realise how absolutely every single suggestion as a counter - disruptors, probes to find them, fuel/cap usage, etc - utterly destroy several legitimate activities for active players, and completely undermine the point of about 2000 systems (hello there wormhole space).
I find it rather amusing you claim we are the ones who fear things, when the only people crying about cloaks and desiring change are people who are petrified of a single other player being in their little backwater nullsec system, and who refuse to employ any of the dozen mechanics available to them to deal with that single lone player.
Seriously, just go back to highsec. You lot are pathetic. |

Deatalious Maricadie
Southern Cross Empire Flying Dangerous
2
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Posted - 2012.11.06 12:33:00 -
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Hocico wrote:Hi,
what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!
If it is a legitimate afk stealth pilot the human body has ways of trying to shut that whole thing down. |

Arduemont
Rotten Legion Ops
592
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Posted - 2012.11.06 12:34:00 -
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Is this thread really still going?
There is no problem with people going AFK whilst cloaked.
If you are PvPing, then a quick warp to will get them if they decide to come out of afk and kill something.
If you are PvEing and your in a standing fleet, people can just warp to you as soon as they appear.
If your PvEing and your not in a standing fleet (in which case you and your corp are fools) then just move next door and PvE there. If he follows you, then you know he's not afk. In which case get an interdictor and some interceptors out.
There is nothing wrong with being afk.
Deatalious Maricadie wrote: If it is a legitimate afk stealth pilot the human body has ways of trying to shut that whole thing down.
I see what you did there. >.< "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |

Sentamon
232
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Posted - 2012.11.06 12:39:00 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:lol don't you love it when you get players going,, NO NO NO,, leave our fav thing to do alone, even if it is without a counter to it.
I have a question for cloakers, the so called AFK ones, why are you so afraid of a counter to cloaking ?
No problem with a counter whatsoever. It's called removing local, or you can just turn yours off.
~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Heimdallofasgard
Apex Overplayed Coalition Fatal Ascension
285
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Posted - 2012.11.06 13:57:00 -
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Oh look... 7 pages of... this thread again Kick Heim... MATE |

Expending Doom
3
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Posted - 2012.11.06 14:17:00 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: lol don't you love it when you get players going,, NO NO NO,, leave our fav thing to do alone, even if it is without a counter to it.
There's no counter to local
AFK cloaking is only an attempt to subvert it's value.
If you couldn't AFK cloak carebears like yourself would just dock up, then come right back out when you leave.
But if you AFK cloak, because of the carebear's lack of willpower, intelligence and avarice they will eventually crawl out where they can be killed. |

Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10684
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Posted - 2012.11.06 14:23:00 -
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Expending Doom wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote: lol don't you love it when you get players going,, NO NO NO,, leave our fav thing to do alone, even if it is without a counter to it.
There's no counter to local AFK cloaking is only an attempt to subvert it's value. If you couldn't AFK cloak carebears like yourself would just dock up, then come right back out when you leave. But if you AFK cloak, because of the carebear's lack of willpower, intelligence and avarice they will eventually crawl out where they can be killed. This tbh.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |

Signal11th
Amarr Empire
809
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Posted - 2012.11.06 14:29:00 -
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I love this thread, so many ways to counter it yet everyone expects CCP to do it fo rthem, quality!!! God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
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Soldarius
TreadStone Standard Tribal Band
297
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Posted - 2012.11.07 10:45:00 -
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My tear cup runneth over. "How do you kill that which has no life?" |

Gillia Winddancer
Shiny Noble Crown Services
114
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Posted - 2012.11.07 10:58:00 -
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This again?
Isn't the issue more with the local channel than anything else? Without local channel, no one would ever cry about stealth pilots.
On the other hand you could technically say that said stealth pilots are using local channel in a way that wasn't meant to be used. Namely by purposefully making their presence known with the knowledge that they cannot be touched in any way, shape or form. Which is a bad thing for those that don't realize this. That said players cannot be touched that is. Or molested. Or worse.
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TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc
484
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Posted - 2012.11.07 11:18:00 -
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Gillia Winddancer wrote:This again?
Isn't the issue more with the local channel than anything else? Without local channel, no one would ever cry about stealth pilots.
On the other hand you could technically say that said stealth pilots are using local channel in a way that wasn't meant to be used. Namely by purposefully making their presence known with the knowledge that they cannot be touched in any way, shape or form. Which is a bad thing for those that don't realize this. That said players cannot be touched that is. Or molested. Or worse.
That's pretty much the issue: Carebears want to use local mechanics for their own benefit, but if someone uses it AGAINST them... well, it's time to whip out the tissues and go crying to CCP |

Yeovilty
Chemdyne Megatrends
0
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Posted - 2012.11.07 13:03:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:I've heard there are belts in other systems.
This is but a rumour :) |

Generals4
1562
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Posted - 2012.11.07 13:05:00 -
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Hocico wrote:Hi,
what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!
She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar....
CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp.
AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.
Hoc
If the stealth pilot is afk they can't do anything either. And you can do something: escorts. If you have folks that can defend you there would be no reason to fear afk pilots who might suddenly not be afk anymore.
-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. |

Dar Manic
Republic University Minmatar Republic
36
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Posted - 2012.11.07 13:37:00 -
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What's wrong with trying to make null sec safer? All the carebears are in hi-sec anyway. ;) I just don't understand null sec players.
Please note: Anytime I use the phrase PvP in a post, I'm talking about shooting/combat/killing things/blowing things up.-á Thank you. |

Fabulous Rod
Darkfall Corp
10
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Posted - 2012.11.07 17:11:00 -
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it really is a joke and part of why eve "pvp" is considered such a joke. Retards are given easymode tools for kills that are essentially foolproof. |

HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
49
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Posted - 2012.11.07 17:24:00 -
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Rordan D'Kherr wrote:They are not AFK.
At least you can't know.
This is funny and hypocritical. You guys claim you dont know if an AFK cloaker is there or not and it part of the game blaaa blaaa blaaa, yet you fail to apply that same logic to a possible afk ice miner. Sorta funny how people tend to justify things to meet their own needs. |

Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
168
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Posted - 2012.11.07 17:45:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Rordan D'Kherr wrote:They are not AFK.
At least you can't know. This is funny and hypocritical. You guys claim you dont know if an AFK cloaker is there or not and it part of the game blaaa blaaa blaaa, yet you fail to apply that same logic to a possible afk ice miner. Sorta funny how people tend to justify things to meet their own needs.
wat? _______________________________________ Don't be scared, because being afk is not a crime. |

Vex Killswitch
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.11.07 17:57:00 -
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0.0 space local should be much like wormhole space local.(I.e. you shouldnt be allow to know if someone is "afk".)
and to solve your problem of afk cloakers, counter with an afk pvp pilot while your team mines? |
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