why bother you said he is afk, so you afraid of a player doing nothing .

Hi,

what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!

She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar....


CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp.


AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.


Hoc

.

Hi,

what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!

She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar....


CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp.


AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.


Hoc

This is one n00b who got to covert-ops, decided to duck into null, had to go afk (RL family issue), warped cloaked to 100km of a moon (I did have probes out)... returned to a few nice guys who made sure I took a quick/safe trip back to my clone.

Soooo.... AFK stealth isn't so AFK stealth -OR- I'm a dumb a$$. (my ISK is on the latter)

That said, refitting and heading back out. The thrill out here is way to much fun.

What can you do?

Simply put:
1 guy cloaking, grab 2 combat pilots to protect your miners.
3 guys cloaking, grab 4 combat pilots to protect your miners.
5+ guys cloaking. Go mine the **** somewhere else.

1 guy cloaking is only a problem if you're solo mining anyhow.

If you warped to 100, and sat there, honestly people will usually check by warping to stuff at 0 or 100, so they guessed and decloaked you.

Next time, set your ship to move (upwards) at full speed and they shouldn't be able to do that. Or use a safespot.

AFK = Away From Keyboard.

Please tell me more about how they pose a threat.

You are playing on the literal definition of the words "AFK cloaker" which is deceiving and untruthful. It's like claiming that an "engineer" only works on engines.

I don't much care for 0.0 folk, but assuming that "AFK cloakers" are harmless because, by the literal definition of the words, they are "AFK", is dishonest.

An AFK cloaker doesn't simply "cloak" and that's it. It is an important part of a process, but it isn't the only process to AFK cloaking. An AFK cloaker "parks" an alt for days or weeks in a system having the ability to walk away from his computer while the rest of the system population remains vigilant and alert, as they should, might I add. But the AFK cloaker will also periodically check up on the system and pick and choose targets always on his terms. If the AFK cloaker doesn't find a suitable target, then he leaves his alt undisturbed for another few hours, days, weeks, until he and only he decides what conditions will he PVP under.

In my opinion, the lack of balance is in the ability of the The AFK cloaker to hunt but never be hunted. Yes, you can spring traps to catch an AFK cloaker. But I see two main problems with this:

1) The AFK cloaker must choose to fall for the trap. In other words, The AFK cloaker still chooses when to engage and under what conditions. He has the ability to bring nonconsensual PVP to others while others aren't afforded that same ability and against the AFK cloaker.

2) Because alts are usually employed to AFK cloak, they have the ability to spend large amounts of time AFK. Springing a trap will require the attention of the AFK cloaker, which means the AFK cloaker will have to be on the keyboard at the time that the trap is sprung. Or, those sprining the trap will have to spend a significant amount of time and effort keeping the trap sprung until the AFK cloaker takes notice, which could take weeks. And even then nothing guarantees that the AFK cloaker will choose to fall for the sprung trap.

But I think the important issue here is we need to understand what exactly is it that an "AFK cloaker" does. Propagating the belief that an AFK cloaker is simply someone that AFK cloaks and that's it, is dishonest at best. There are better arguments defending the AFK cloaking profession, but this is definitely not one of them.

Because we realise that it is a mechanic that is already perfectly balanced and does not require a counter any more than someone being docked requires a "counter", and how it is a very necessary mechanic as a result of the stupid and outdated local mechanics. I have yet to see a single anti-cloaker post provide legitimate reasons as to why cloaking, as it currently is, is an issue, or why they should be able to kill other players who are afk.

Also, they seem to fail to realise how absolutely every single suggestion as a counter - disruptors, probes to find them, fuel/cap usage, etc - utterly destroy several legitimate activities for active players, and completely undermine the point of about 2000 systems (hello there wormhole space).

I find it rather amusing you claim we are the ones who fear things, when the only people crying about cloaks and desiring change are people who are petrified of a single other player being in their little backwater nullsec system, and who refuse to employ any of the dozen mechanics available to them to deal with that single lone player.

Seriously, just go back to highsec. You lot are pathetic.

Posting in ban afk cloaking thread #1229572945734

Deal with it. Try a wormhole. There are afk cloakers there as well, but without local you don't have to stop what you are doing.

You are playing on the literal definition of the words "AFK cloaker" which is deceiving and untruthful. It's like claiming that an "engineer" only works on engines.

I don't much care for 0.0 folk, but assuming that "AFK cloakers" are harmless because, by the literal definition of the word, they are "AFK", is dishonest.

An AFK cloaker doesn't simply "AFK cloak", and that's it. It is an important part of the process, but it isn't the only part to the process of AFK cloaking. An AFK cloaker "parks" an alt for days or weeks in a system having the ability to walk away from his computer while the rest of the system population remains vigilant and alert, as they should, might I add. But the AFK cloaker will also periodically check up on the system and pick and choose targets always on his terms. If the AFK cloaker doesn't find a suitable target, then he leaves his alt undisturbed for another few hours, days, weeks, until he and only he decides what conditions will he PVP under.

In my opinion, the lack of balance is in the ability of the the AFK cloaker to hunt but never be hunted. Yes, you can spring traps to catch an AFK cloaker. But I mainly see two problems with this:

1) The AFK cloaker must choose to fall for the trap. In other words, the AFK cloaker still chooses when to engage and under what conditions. He has the ability to bring nonconsensual PVP to others while others aren't afforded that same ability and against the AFK cloaker.

2) Because alts are usually employed to AFK cloak, they have the ability to spend large amounts of time AFK. Springing a trap will require the attention of the AFK cloaker, which means the AFK cloaker will have to be on the keyboard at the time that the trap is sprung. Or, those springing the trap will have to spend a significant amount of time and effort keeping the trap sprung until the AFK cloaker takes notice, which could take weeks even. And even then nothing guarantees that the AFK cloaker will choose to fall for the sprung trap.

But I think the important issue here is we need to understand what exactly is it that an "AFK cloaker" does. Propagating the belief that an AFK cloaker is simply someone that AFK cloaks and that's it, is dishonest at best. There are better arguments defending the AFK cloaking profession, but this is definitely not one of them.

Hi,

what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!

She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar....


CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp.


AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.


Hoc

i dont see how players can gain an advantage from being AFK, there is no way to know if they are active or not, with a fleet ready to cyno in behind them or not.

i does stop peeps playing