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Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions
Reckless Ambition
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Posted - 2012.10.28 20:48:00 -
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Opertone wrote:Single AFK cloaker can not do much. [...]
"Cynos' up, cyno's up --bring it, bring it, bring it, BRING IT, BRING IT!!" (DNSBlack, best EVE battle-call ever.)
It doesn't take that long to train Cyno Field Theory and Recons to 5...
I <3 cloaky-cloaky!
Cloaky-cloaky cat says:
I are in ur system, but u no see'z meh! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1640
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Posted - 2012.10.28 21:33:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:Cloaky-cloaky cat says:
I are in ur system, but u no see'z meh!
Only in local 
Better nerf local.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions
Reckless Ambition
371
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Posted - 2012.10.29 00:43:00 -
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They see me in local.
They can't find me in space.
They be hatin'.
Am I really AFK? Or not? Psych-warfare, I love it :)
Cloaky-cloaky cat says:
I are in ur system, but u no see'z meh! |
Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
180
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Posted - 2012.10.29 00:47:00 -
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Buy a scanner search them kill them. Is that a answer you want to hear .... no to bad. |
Azumi Zimu
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
83
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Posted - 2012.10.29 00:50:00 -
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The same people who complain about seeing cloakers in local are the ones who violently oppose removing local.
Why they're in 0.0 in the first place, I don't know. They clearly want to feel 100% safe. |
Maggeridon Thoraz
Reconfiguration Nation
Transmission Lost
28
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Posted - 2012.10.29 01:23:00 -
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i was allays for removing local for nullsec working like in wh.
but i have some good arguement for people who going to search for fighst that they need local.
then i heard alos teh arguement for stealth ships like recons and sb etc to gather intel that they liek to gather it without ever beeing seen.
waht about changing teh mechanics like that.
all ships that have a cloak fitted are have a 5 to 10 sec timer that delays ther show up in local if they jump into a system. ,via gates, (covert) cynosm, wh or whatever io have forgot now to mention.
when they cloak up within that time they will not show up if teh show up in loacl and cloak again they alos disaper in local agin after 5 to 10 sec ...
with that mechanic stealth ships can gather intel without ever beeing noticed if no one is active watching gates. wh would become even more intersing for useing pathes and and might increase some pvp in wh ... afk whiner would not whine anymore because the cloaky is not a psycholical thread to their own mind...
the null sec peolpe who are roaming or camoping can still see the fleets etc ... i think this would be a win situaltion for all. why not having this mechanic not even in low and hisec at all |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1644
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Posted - 2012.10.29 01:29:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:They see me in local.
They can't find me in space.
They be hatin'.
Am I really AFK? Or not? Psych-warfare, I love it :)
They see me cloakin'
(They don't actually)
They hatin'
They probin'
Trying to catch me rollin' UNCLOAKED
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Wacktopia
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
274
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Posted - 2012.10.29 01:29:00 -
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It still surprises me when I want to find a system to be alone in and I find in a couple of jumps. Really EVE is a very empty place in parts.
The bottom line is that now I have one of those annoying signatures. |
Shizuken
Venerated Stars
116
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Posted - 2012.10.29 05:35:00 -
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Hocico wrote:Hi,
what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!
She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar....
CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp.
AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.
Hoc
Try bringing some friends as a combat escort. Say 1 Orca, 3 Hulks, 2 Fast Attack, and 1 BC or BS. That should be good against most 2-3 man pirate squads. Tank the industrials so if they go after those first then you can own them with your escorts. And if they go after the escorts you have time to warp off. |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc
450
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Posted - 2012.10.29 08:24:00 -
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Hocico wrote:Hi,
what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!
She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar....
CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp.
AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.
Hoc
Because we don't already have fifty thousand threads from disgusting null carebears crying about a player who literally cannot do a thing to them at all
Go back to highsec you risk averse little baby |
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March rabbit
Aliastra
257
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Posted - 2012.10.29 08:41:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Thomas Orca wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
The only way any cloacker becomes a serious threat to you is when he lights a cover/regular cyno. If you don't see any of these then he's just afk and can't harm you. + makes all afraid idiots dock up while you can make better isk
No one ever dies to solo cloaked ships Of course not, since cloaked ships can't do anything remotely aggressive to you.
well. technically you can say "players can't do anything aggressive to you" because we are living in different places. And to do anything player needs to use in-game stuff.
I would say more: no player ships in game can harm your ship. Because ship does not do any damage or any other harm (we ignore bumping here). Only aggressive modules produces DPS and/or other damage.
Even now we can go farer and say: enemy guns don't harm your ship because ... ? Because of ammo! So technically you only get any aggression from enemy ammo. It's fantastic!
There is only one question: how far can we get with those idiotic and correct sentences like "afk pilot can't do anything to you"? Or some day we will use our brains?  |
Colonel Xaven
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
180
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Posted - 2012.10.29 09:03:00 -
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Lyrrashae wrote:Opertone wrote:Single AFK cloaker can not do much. [...] "Cynos' up, cyno's up --bring it, bring it, bring it, BRING IT, BRING IT!!" (DNSBlack, best EVE battle-call ever.) It doesn't take that long to train Cyno Field Theory and Recons to 5... I <3 cloaky-cloaky!
Let's test your statement:
1. Go into a null system,
2. cloak up,
3. leave your keyboard, i.e. go to the kitchen (afk) and from there
4. try to light a cyno.
Post your result here. |
ACE McFACE
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
840
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Posted - 2012.10.29 09:53:00 -
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Johan Civire wrote:Buy a scanner search them kill them. Is that a answer you want to hear .... no to bad.
You do realise cloaked ships don't appear on any scans right?
"7 pages of people insulting me - aka trolling" - Lady Hofstedar
What s/he (probobly he) meant:
"7 pages of people disagreeing with my terrible idea - aka trolling" - Lady Hofstedar |
ACE McFACE
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
840
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Posted - 2012.10.29 09:54:00 -
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Colonel Xaven wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:Opertone wrote:Single AFK cloaker can not do much. [...] "Cynos' up, cyno's up --bring it, bring it, bring it, BRING IT, BRING IT!!" (DNSBlack, best EVE battle-call ever.) It doesn't take that long to train Cyno Field Theory and Recons to 5... I <3 cloaky-cloaky! Let's test your statement: 1. Go into a null system, 2. cloak up, 3. leave your keyboard, i.e. go to the kitchen (afk) and from there 4. try to light a cyno. Post your result here.
The thing is you can't be sure if they are AFK or not
"7 pages of people insulting me - aka trolling" - Lady Hofstedar
What s/he (probobly he) meant:
"7 pages of people disagreeing with my terrible idea - aka trolling" - Lady Hofstedar |
Colonel Xaven
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
181
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Posted - 2012.10.29 11:05:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:
The thing is you can't be sure if they are AFK or not
You got my point.
I got the feeling that the bone of contention is not being afk but cloaking at all. |
risora
Infinite Improbability Inc
Mordus Angels
0
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Posted - 2012.10.29 11:17:00 -
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although it does not bug me personally . its odd thats theres no counter for it , everything in the game has a counter action except this , time for special probes with high skill requirement and a special cloak seeking depth charge than can only lock onto cloaks . |
Rordan D'Kherr
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
125
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Posted - 2012.10.29 11:19:00 -
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risora wrote:although it does not bug me personally . its odd thats theres no counter for it , everything in the game has a counter action except this , time for special probes with high skill requirement and a special cloak seeking depth charge than can only lock onto cloaks .
how do you counter docking?
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risora
Infinite Improbability Inc
Mordus Angels
0
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Posted - 2012.10.29 11:21:00 -
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Rordan D'Kherr wrote:risora wrote:although it does not bug me personally . its odd thats theres no counter for it , everything in the game has a counter action except this , time for special probes with high skill requirement and a special cloak seeking depth charge than can only lock onto cloaks . how do you counter docking?
personally think anyone who is webbed should not be able to use stations or gates |
Prince Kobol
631
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Posted - 2012.10.29 11:24:00 -
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Hocico wrote:Hi,
what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!
She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar....
CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp.
AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.
Hoc
I often rat, mine and run anons with afk cloakers in system, you know why, because somebody who is afk cant kill you  |
Presidente Gallente
Dark-Rising
36
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Posted - 2012.10.29 11:41:00 -
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You are someone who wants to live in 0.0...
... expecting a safe place for infinite carebearbiz?
... to farm ISK but not willing to PvP?
... to farm ISK but you can't PvP?
... and you can't counter the expected unexpeted (tip: with a fleet)?
... and you are not able to bait cloakers and counter a cyno drop?
... and you have no clue how to deal with afk cloaker in general?
... and you cry on the forums at afk cloakers?
Simple answer: wrong place for you. |
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TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc
453
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Posted - 2012.10.29 12:17:00 -
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ACE McFACE wrote:The thing is you can't be sure if they are AFK or not
So what? What makes you think you should have that intel? You already have a load handed to you on a silver platter (local), and you're acting like you're entitled to even more?
Worse than even the hisec carebears imo. At least they will admit they're risk averse baddies.
risora wrote:although it does not bug me personally . its odd thats theres no counter for it , everything in the game has a counter action except this , time for special probes with high skill requirement and a special cloak seeking depth charge than can only lock onto cloaks .
Being docked doesn't have a counter. Neither does being logged off. Going AFK cloaked is just another way in which players can effectively remove themselves from the in game universe for a period of time, there's nothing wrong with that. You shouldn't be able to "counter" players not playing the game, demanding CCP give you a means to kill those players who have taken a brief break from the game for real life alternatives.
Another reason AFK cloaking does not need a counter is because there is nothing to counter. They are literally incapable of anything, there's nothing to counter. Implementing a "counter" to something when the something is literally nothing is what would truly be unbalanced and broken.
Now onto the stupid, stupid idea of probes, ships, depth charges, whatever that people always bring up. I'm going to be a little bit unkind here because I'm sick of seeing these suggestions: You are stupid and don't understand many of the mechanics of EVE online, or many of the roles that require cloaking. Such ignorance is the only reason these suggestions could exist, as it is very easy to demonstrate how such mechanics are just utterly stupid and destructive.
Reconnaissance can often require players - ACTIVE - players to sit in a fixed location for extended periods of time, either to observe the enemy and relay information, or to get in strategic positions and provide warp/jump in points. This stupid idea makes that impossible.
Wormholes. Oh look, this stupid idea destroys wormholes entirely. A specific, deliberate design in wormhole space is not being able to tell if there are cloaked ships in system, probes or depth charges or a ship type that can find them just undermines this entirely.
So to summarise: You've proposed changes that destroy several important areas of the game, all because you're such a terrible player that you have to demand CCP gives you a means to kill players who aren't even in game, rather than do real pvp, or just ignoring the none-entity that is an "AFK cloaker" |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
337
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:45:00 -
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Dear God I hate seeing this topic over and over again, it's so stupid.
One of my favorite "chill out" activities in the game is bowling over rats in null sec anoms, it's mind numbingly soothing (lol, and at least it's not as irritating as running missions in high sec, having to dock to talk to an agent because EVE has FTL travel but no cellphones....) All I have to do is smash button, watch TV and glance at local every once in a while. I do this in a Machariel.
If some hostile comes in I warp off and pos up, dock up or cloak up till they leave.
If they don't leave I fit my cloak and MWD (if I don't have them on already), log in my scouting alt (in a sensor boosted, scram mounting SABRE) and go looking for "free range" anomalies in the vast empty pockets of whatever space I'm in (which is all of null sec except npc null). There is literally NO WAY an afk cloaker can stop me without following me and if he follows me I WILL catch/bubble is ass on a gate and pop him. I've only ever lost 1 sabre doing this, never my Mach.
Why someone would need to complain about afk cloakers i don't know, it's their sub money they are wasting, not mine lol. |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1124
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Posted - 2012.10.29 14:48:00 -
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People whine about AFK cloakers because they can't just deal with it and move to another system.
http://themittani.com/features/local-problem
A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Riedle
Paradox Collective
Choke Point
190
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Posted - 2012.10.29 15:08:00 -
[84] - Quote
AFK Cloak is best Cloak. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1649
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Posted - 2012.10.29 17:01:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:If they don't leave I fit my cloak and MWD (if I don't have them on already), log in my scouting alt (in a sensor boosted, scram mounting SABRE) and go looking for "free range" anomalies in the vast empty pockets of whatever space I'm in (which is all of null sec except npc null). There is literally NO WAY an afk cloaker can stop me without following me and if he follows me I WILL catch/bubble is ass on a gate and pop him. I've only ever lost 1 sabre doing this, never my Mach.
How many chaps have you caught with that?
What did they say before you podded them?
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Norm Tempesta
The Konvergent League
Sev3rance
7
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Posted - 2012.10.29 17:41:00 -
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It's not really a problem OP.
Go to the next system over. If they are afk they won't follow you.
Collect intel on them to see what type of attacks they use and keep a counter for them.
If they are hotdroppers, hopefully you can gather up a bunch of friends and bait them.
Counter their afkness with your own, while doing this remember to also be afk in the forums so we don't know where you are. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1651
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Posted - 2012.10.29 18:06:00 -
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Norm Tempesta wrote:It's not really a problem OP.
Go to the next system over. If they are afk they won't follow you.
Collect intel on them to see what type of attacks they use and keep a counter for them.
If they are hotdroppers, hopefully you can gather up a bunch of friends and bait them.
Counter their afkness with your own, while doing this remember to also be afk in the forums so we don't know where you are.
AFK on the forums. Interesting concept.
Elaborate.
Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd
Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
339
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Posted - 2012.10.29 18:08:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:If they don't leave I fit my cloak and MWD (if I don't have them on already), log in my scouting alt (in a sensor boosted, scram mounting SABRE) and go looking for "free range" anomalies in the vast empty pockets of whatever space I'm in (which is all of null sec except npc null). There is literally NO WAY an afk cloaker can stop me without following me and if he follows me I WILL catch/bubble is ass on a gate and pop him. I've only ever lost 1 sabre doing this, never my Mach. How many chaps have you caught with that? What did they say before you podded them?
A few, most times no one ever follows you :(
Best one was a Rapier that did follow, he decloaked in the bubble and I ran my sabre at him on the wild chance of a decloak (which usually doesn't work) and got him, he turned back for the gate but by then i had him scrammed and declaoked my mach (after waiting to see if he would pop a cyno) and popped him litterally 3km from the gate. lost the sabre but oh well.
There was a cyno on his Km but he never lit it, all bluff no blast from that guy lol. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions
Reckless Ambition
378
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Posted - 2012.10.29 18:50:00 -
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Colonel Xaven wrote:Lyrrashae wrote:Opertone wrote:Single AFK cloaker can not do much. [...] "Cynos' up, cyno's up --bring it, bring it, bring it, BRING IT, BRING IT!!" (DNSBlack, best EVE battle-call ever.) It doesn't take that long to train Cyno Field Theory and Recons to 5... I <3 cloaky-cloaky! Let's test your statement: 1. Go into a null system, 2. cloak up, 3. leave your keyboard, i.e. go to the kitchen (afk) and from there 4. try to light a cyno. Post your result here.
And so, you've just illustrated quite nicely the "counter" to AFK cloaks, bru.
Good on ya!
/Me chuckles...But am I really A/F/K? Or not. Maybe I just got up to use the loo?
I just love the EVE flavour of psychological warfare, oh yes I do!
Cloaky-cloaky cat says:
I are in ur system, but u no see'z meh! |
Metal Icarus
Endless Destruction
Tribal Band
334
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Posted - 2012.10.29 19:12:00 -
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So, I am going to get a falcon with a cyno and plop in a random 0.0 system before I go to work, let them get complacent. The first thing I would do when i got home from work is to hope in a fleet and get ready to light a cyno on someone who thought I was afk.
I am doing work while at work.
What is the work? Making the inhabitants complacent or make them use a different system.
Technically, I am doing work while being afk. |
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