Hi,

what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!

AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.

She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar....

Set up a bait mining ship with a few recons cloaked next to it.

nice idea... but he comes next day again....

nice idea... but he comes next day again....

The only thing wrong with afk cloaking is there's not more people doing it.

Hi,

what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!

She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar....


CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp.


AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.


Hoc

Hear Hear for Afk Cloakers! Causing Much Tears ^_^

They are not AFK.

Hi,

what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!

She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar....


CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp.


AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.


Hoc

This is why i dont have a home.


Cloakers will never be a problem for me unless i get my own personal one

The only way any cloacker becomes a serious threat to you is when he lights a cover/regular cyno. If you don't see any of these then he's just afk and can't harm you. + makes all afraid idiots dock up while you can make better isk

thats not pvp.

No one ever dies to solo cloaked ships

Why can't you mine or rat? If the pilot is afk he or she doesn't pose any threat

Hi,

what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!

She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar....


CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp.


AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.


Hoc

I love cloaking devices.

Hi,

what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!

She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar....


CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp.


AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.


Hoc

Hear Hear for Afk Cloakers! Causing Much Tears ^_^

The only thing wrong with afk cloaking is there's not more people doing it.

Welcome to the saddest tactic in the game.
...
Sadly CCP and the vast majority of he players don't want to change it so nothing will ever happen.

Sound the alarm!! Bring the WHAAAAMBULANCE!! SOMEONE IS AFK ON THE INTERNET!!
(And they're freaking me out because I am entitled enough to expect to mine risk free in nullsec!)

Sad because bad.

What I said can clearly be read.

If it confused you, you may read it again. You can even do it sadly.

What I said can clearly be read.

If it confused you, you may read it again. You can even do it sadly.

It seems you're suffering from mood swings. One should not go from extreme sadness to extreme joys so rapidly. I'm afraid it appears you have a psychiatric disorder to go with your inability to logic. Sadly; because badly.

Hi,

what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!

She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar....


CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp.


AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.


Hoc

Welcome to the saddest tactic in the game.
And yes there is no direct counter to it that is worth your time.

You have been playing since 2004 and you are still freaked by Stealth Pilots?

Because of falcons.

Single AFK cloaker can not do much. [...]

Cloaky-cloaky cat says:

I are in ur system, but u no see'z meh!

They see me in local.

They can't find me in space.

They be hatin'.

Am I really AFK? Or not? Psych-warfare, I love it :)

Hi,

what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!

She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar....


CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp.


AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.


Hoc

Hi,

what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!

She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar....


CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp.


AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.


Hoc

Of course not, since cloaked ships can't do anything remotely aggressive to you.

"Cynos' up, cyno's up --bring it, bring it, bring it, BRING IT, BRING IT!!" (DNSBlack, best EVE battle-call ever.)

It doesn't take that long to train Cyno Field Theory and Recons to 5...

I <3 cloaky-cloaky!

Buy a scanner search them kill them. Is that a answer you want to hear .... no to bad.

Let's test your statement:

1. Go into a null system,
2. cloak up,
3. leave your keyboard, i.e. go to the kitchen (afk) and from there
4. try to light a cyno.

Post your result here.

The thing is you can't be sure if they are AFK or not

although it does not bug me personally . its odd thats theres no counter for it , everything in the game has a counter action except this , time for special probes with high skill requirement and a special cloak seeking depth charge than can only lock onto cloaks .

how do you counter docking?

Hi,

what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!

She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar....


CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp.


AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.


Hoc

The thing is you can't be sure if they are AFK or not

although it does not bug me personally . its odd thats theres no counter for it , everything in the game has a counter action except this , time for special probes with high skill requirement and a special cloak seeking depth charge than can only lock onto cloaks .

If they don't leave I fit my cloak and MWD (if I don't have them on already), log in my scouting alt (in a sensor boosted, scram mounting SABRE) and go looking for "free range" anomalies in the vast empty pockets of whatever space I'm in (which is all of null sec except npc null). There is literally NO WAY an afk cloaker can stop me without following me and if he follows me I WILL catch/bubble is ass on a gate and pop him. I've only ever lost 1 sabre doing this, never my Mach.

It's not really a problem OP.

Go to the next system over. If they are afk they won't follow you.

Collect intel on them to see what type of attacks they use and keep a counter for them.

If they are hotdroppers, hopefully you can gather up a bunch of friends and bait them.

Counter their afkness with your own, while doing this remember to also be afk in the forums so we don't know where you are.

How many chaps have you caught with that?

What did they say before you podded them?

Let's test your statement:

1. Go into a null system,
2. cloak up,
3. leave your keyboard, i.e. go to the kitchen (afk) and from there
4. try to light a cyno.

Post your result here.

I've been yelling about this afk business a long time now and it's always the same.

PVP people cry that you will take their only advantage away or some other bs and the industrialists cry that they can't make isks or that they can't find the idiotic AFK idiots.

solution: remove local

Everyone wins. Even the stupid devs that don't do nothing about this.

I don't see why local is so "vital" for nullsec anyway.

Wouldn't intel channels and players active in systems basically give you the same intel anyway (just not handed on a silver platter)?

People whine about AFK cloakers because they can't just deal with it and move to another system.

People whine about AFK cloakers because they can't just deal with it and move to another system.

There is no alternative for local as vital intel tool in nullsec yet. If there is any, then removing local could be an option.

I wonder how the people in wormholes survive if there are no other ways to gather intel...

Sure you can't see because you don't live in null.

Without local surely not. And that's the point.

Jesus, this again?!?!!? Don't any of you know how to use the Search function?!?!

I think this is incorrect, since gathering intel on people - who, roughly how many, where, etc - without local is something that hundreds, if not thousands, of us do every day in wormholes. I have to believe it'd be even easier in nullsec, as the routes are fixed and easier to scout, and how it's inherently harder to hide giant fleets that you see only in null

Jesus, this again?!?!!? Don't any of you know how to use the Search function?!?!

Hi,

what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!

She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar....


CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp.


AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.


Hoc

AFK stealth pilots = not a problem = close thread

>>> CLICK ME <<< not a problem,, lol

>>> CLICK ME <<< not a problem,, lol

Still think the OP should HTFU !

Hmm, moving mouse, clicking modules, voices on comms.... these guys are NOT afk, dude.

afk means to be away from keyboard. not there. not able to click or type or speak. away.

Just gob smacks me how you all want eve to be another wow, where there is no risk, an everything is handed to you on a plate.
0.0 is NEVER be safe. If you want to mine in the open in 0.0 thne get escorts. You should NEVER be immune to death in 0.0.
It's bad enough that HS is now nothing but carebears skipping through the bloody flowers.

A single SB cant kill you if you have half a brain. CCP have done enough damage to HS by pandering to these fools who scream it isnt fair!!, waaa I am at risk.....

You want the profits of 0.0 without any risk, then why play eve... you can get that in wow.

Oh hai, Melodee - the voice of reason in The Scope. Spot on, as always...

Hmm, moving mouse, clicking modules, voices on comms.... these guys are NOT afk, dude.

afk means to be away from keyboard. not there. not able to click or type or speak. away.

This again, it must be something to do with the time of year, that or an ongoing lack of imagination and guts.

OP, a cloaky in local is only a problem if you let it be one, sitting in station trembling does you no good.

Organise a heavily tanked bait ship to go ratting (or use a Skiff to mine) and have a gang ready to warp in on the bait when the drop happens, make sure your bait has points and your bound to snag something. Making your lurker think every ship he sees is a trap is the best way of getting him to move to fresh pastures but it takes time coordination and patience.

If you can't manage that then you either need to join a corp that can or move somewhere less challenging to you.

Of course not, since cloaked ships can't do anything remotely aggressive to you.

Do hound torps do much against a Macinaw?

Only if uncloaked and if not afk.

meh, this thread / topic never dies. *slaps himself*

SO, should a mackinaw pilot simply ignore a cloaky neut in a system where he's mining? Is that wise?

The problem is that even if he is afk, at some point, unknown to the Mackinaw, he'll return to the keyboard. And the first indicator might be a shrapnel bomb pointed at him.

SO, should a mackinaw pilot simply ignore a cloaky neut in a system where he's mining? Is that wise?

The problem is that even if he is afk, at some point, unknown to the Mackinaw, he'll return to the keyboard. And the first indicator might be a shrapnel bomb pointed at him.

Hi,

what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!

She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar....


CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp.


AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.


Hoc

lol don't you love it when you get players going,, NO NO NO,, leave our fav thing to do alone, even if it is without a counter to it.

I have a question for cloakers, the so called AFK ones, why are you so afraid of a counter to cloaking ?

i use cloaks all the time and wouldn't have a problem with there being a counter to it, infact it would make the hunt/being hunted that bit more exciting

i might be wrong, but meh, the only reason i'd not want a counter to cloaking is if i was AFK and could be found while i was busy watching tv/playing another game/on another account/walking the dogs/having a sleep/not paying attention to the game.

the only reason i can see for people not wanting a counter to cloaks say a ship (destroyers) being able to fit a module that can transmit a signal within the same range of a directional scanner that would upset a cloaking device enough to allow the right skilled player to be able to probe him down, perhaps with specialized probes would be if your AFK.
because i know if was cloaked and being hunted i'd be bouncing around the system.

fear a change to cloaking mechanics, fear the cloak disruptors AFK pilots, i don't blame you lol

Hi,

what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!

If it is a legitimate afk stealth pilot the human body has ways of trying to shut that whole thing down.

lol don't you love it when you get players going,, NO NO NO,, leave our fav thing to do alone, even if it is without a counter to it.

I have a question for cloakers, the so called AFK ones, why are you so afraid of a counter to cloaking ?

lol don't you love it when you get players going,, NO NO NO,, leave our fav thing to do alone, even if it is without a counter to it.

There's no counter to local

AFK cloaking is only an attempt to subvert it's value.

If you couldn't AFK cloak carebears like yourself would just dock up, then come right back out when you leave.

But if you AFK cloak, because of the carebear's lack of willpower, intelligence and avarice they will eventually crawl out where they can be killed.

This again?

Isn't the issue more with the local channel than anything else? Without local channel, no one would ever cry about stealth pilots.

On the other hand you could technically say that said stealth pilots are using local channel in a way that wasn't meant to be used. Namely by purposefully making their presence known with the knowledge that they cannot be touched in any way, shape or form. Which is a bad thing for those that don't realize this. That said players cannot be touched that is. Or molested. Or worse.

I've heard there are belts in other systems.

Hi,

what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!

She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar....


CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp.


AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.


Hoc

They are not AFK.

At least you can't know.

This is funny and hypocritical. You guys claim you dont know if an AFK cloaker is there or not and it part of the game blaaa blaaa blaaa, yet you fail to apply that same logic to a possible afk ice miner. Sorta funny how people tend to justify things to meet their own needs.

why bother you said he is afk, so you afraid of a player doing nothing .

Hi,

what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!

She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar....


CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp.


AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.


Hoc

.

Hi,

what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!

She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar....


CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp.


AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.


Hoc

This is one n00b who got to covert-ops, decided to duck into null, had to go afk (RL family issue), warped cloaked to 100km of a moon (I did have probes out)... returned to a few nice guys who made sure I took a quick/safe trip back to my clone.

Soooo.... AFK stealth isn't so AFK stealth -OR- I'm a dumb a$$. (my ISK is on the latter)

That said, refitting and heading back out. The thrill out here is way to much fun.

What can you do?

Simply put:
1 guy cloaking, grab 2 combat pilots to protect your miners.
3 guys cloaking, grab 4 combat pilots to protect your miners.
5+ guys cloaking. Go mine the **** somewhere else.

1 guy cloaking is only a problem if you're solo mining anyhow.

If you warped to 100, and sat there, honestly people will usually check by warping to stuff at 0 or 100, so they guessed and decloaked you.

Next time, set your ship to move (upwards) at full speed and they shouldn't be able to do that. Or use a safespot.

AFK = Away From Keyboard.

Please tell me more about how they pose a threat.

You are playing on the literal definition of the words "AFK cloaker" which is deceiving and untruthful. It's like claiming that an "engineer" only works on engines.

I don't much care for 0.0 folk, but assuming that "AFK cloakers" are harmless because, by the literal definition of the words, they are "AFK", is dishonest.

An AFK cloaker doesn't simply "cloak" and that's it. It is an important part of a process, but it isn't the only process to AFK cloaking. An AFK cloaker "parks" an alt for days or weeks in a system having the ability to walk away from his computer while the rest of the system population remains vigilant and alert, as they should, might I add. But the AFK cloaker will also periodically check up on the system and pick and choose targets always on his terms. If the AFK cloaker doesn't find a suitable target, then he leaves his alt undisturbed for another few hours, days, weeks, until he and only he decides what conditions will he PVP under.

In my opinion, the lack of balance is in the ability of the The AFK cloaker to hunt but never be hunted. Yes, you can spring traps to catch an AFK cloaker. But I see two main problems with this:

1) The AFK cloaker must choose to fall for the trap. In other words, The AFK cloaker still chooses when to engage and under what conditions. He has the ability to bring nonconsensual PVP to others while others aren't afforded that same ability and against the AFK cloaker.

2) Because alts are usually employed to AFK cloak, they have the ability to spend large amounts of time AFK. Springing a trap will require the attention of the AFK cloaker, which means the AFK cloaker will have to be on the keyboard at the time that the trap is sprung. Or, those sprining the trap will have to spend a significant amount of time and effort keeping the trap sprung until the AFK cloaker takes notice, which could take weeks. And even then nothing guarantees that the AFK cloaker will choose to fall for the sprung trap.

But I think the important issue here is we need to understand what exactly is it that an "AFK cloaker" does. Propagating the belief that an AFK cloaker is simply someone that AFK cloaks and that's it, is dishonest at best. There are better arguments defending the AFK cloaking profession, but this is definitely not one of them.

Because we realise that it is a mechanic that is already perfectly balanced and does not require a counter any more than someone being docked requires a "counter", and how it is a very necessary mechanic as a result of the stupid and outdated local mechanics. I have yet to see a single anti-cloaker post provide legitimate reasons as to why cloaking, as it currently is, is an issue, or why they should be able to kill other players who are afk.

Also, they seem to fail to realise how absolutely every single suggestion as a counter - disruptors, probes to find them, fuel/cap usage, etc - utterly destroy several legitimate activities for active players, and completely undermine the point of about 2000 systems (hello there wormhole space).

I find it rather amusing you claim we are the ones who fear things, when the only people crying about cloaks and desiring change are people who are petrified of a single other player being in their little backwater nullsec system, and who refuse to employ any of the dozen mechanics available to them to deal with that single lone player.

Seriously, just go back to highsec. You lot are pathetic.

Posting in ban afk cloaking thread #1229572945734

Deal with it. Try a wormhole. There are afk cloakers there as well, but without local you don't have to stop what you are doing.

You are playing on the literal definition of the words "AFK cloaker" which is deceiving and untruthful. It's like claiming that an "engineer" only works on engines.

I don't much care for 0.0 folk, but assuming that "AFK cloakers" are harmless because, by the literal definition of the word, they are "AFK", is dishonest.

An AFK cloaker doesn't simply "AFK cloak", and that's it. It is an important part of the process, but it isn't the only part to the process of AFK cloaking. An AFK cloaker "parks" an alt for days or weeks in a system having the ability to walk away from his computer while the rest of the system population remains vigilant and alert, as they should, might I add. But the AFK cloaker will also periodically check up on the system and pick and choose targets always on his terms. If the AFK cloaker doesn't find a suitable target, then he leaves his alt undisturbed for another few hours, days, weeks, until he and only he decides what conditions will he PVP under.

In my opinion, the lack of balance is in the ability of the the AFK cloaker to hunt but never be hunted. Yes, you can spring traps to catch an AFK cloaker. But I mainly see two problems with this:

1) The AFK cloaker must choose to fall for the trap. In other words, the AFK cloaker still chooses when to engage and under what conditions. He has the ability to bring nonconsensual PVP to others while others aren't afforded that same ability and against the AFK cloaker.

2) Because alts are usually employed to AFK cloak, they have the ability to spend large amounts of time AFK. Springing a trap will require the attention of the AFK cloaker, which means the AFK cloaker will have to be on the keyboard at the time that the trap is sprung. Or, those springing the trap will have to spend a significant amount of time and effort keeping the trap sprung until the AFK cloaker takes notice, which could take weeks even. And even then nothing guarantees that the AFK cloaker will choose to fall for the sprung trap.

But I think the important issue here is we need to understand what exactly is it that an "AFK cloaker" does. Propagating the belief that an AFK cloaker is simply someone that AFK cloaks and that's it, is dishonest at best. There are better arguments defending the AFK cloaking profession, but this is definitely not one of them.

Hi,

what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!

She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar....


CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp.


AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.


Hoc

i dont see how players can gain an advantage from being AFK, there is no way to know if they are active or not, with a fleet ready to cyno in behind them or not.

i does stop peeps playing

If you warped to 100, and sat there, honestly people will usually check by warping to stuff at 0 or 100, so they guessed and decloaked you.

Next time, set your ship to move (upwards) at full speed and they shouldn't be able to do that. Or use a safespot.

Hi,

what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!

She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar....


CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp.


AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.


Hoc

/bangs head at keyboard.

- Hey OP, how do you know he is AFK?
- And if he's indeed AFK, how can he possibly shoot you?

Is it possible that a lot People on this froum don't understand that AFK means "away from keyboard"?

Looks like pple think AFK means "Person doesn't behave like I want them to behave"... no idea where you the the A and F and K in this sentence :).

EVE General: because no1 in german forums gives a **** about OP

I allways thought thats what cloaks were for to be sneaky and wait out your target before attacking when not expected hmmm i must be mistaken

Get rid of local, AFK cloaking problem solved. If you dont see it you cant whine about it

.

Funny how you don't hear about this kind of stuff in wormholes.

Hi, What can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!! She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar.... CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp. AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.

CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp.

AFK Stealth Pilots in 0.0

Why not make defeating AFK cloakers a game mechanic.

Have a very large POS module external of shields create some form of interference that has a small chance to decloak anything in the system every 30 mins when running.

Could consume some form of fuel (Isotope) each cycle.

But needs to be very bulking as basically it would be a huge generator. Then you could scan them down as normal.
As a POS module make it not need to be tied to Sov so could be used in Lowsec also.

People who are AFK are by definition not a threat since they are AFK and hence not going to shoot you.
So what's the issue?

What youre actually scared of is that they are NOT AFK and will shoot you.
In which case, they are not AFK and hence don't fall into the category of AFK cloaker.

You see where your argument falls apart right?

Have you actually ever been to Nullsec. An AFK cloaky is rarely fully AFK

Hi,

what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!

She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar....


CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp.


AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.


Hoc

Of course not, since cloaked ships can't do anything remotely aggressive to you.

Hi,

what can we do against afk stelth pilots in 0.0 ? Nothing !!!

She wait any hours and we cant mining, ratting ore others.... attacks comes only vs mining Barges ore infight Ships and are rar....


CCP we need a tactic against this idiots.... thats not pvp.


AFK waiting for 4 ore more hours is an Exploit.


Hoc