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Arenis Xemdal	Posted - 2005.04.05 04:48:00 - [61] Edited by: Arenis Xemdal on 05/04/2005 05:00:26 Originally by: Archbishop Pathetic. But like I said. Knowning where this original past REALLY came from now your reply isn't unexpected. Archbishop Perhaps it was pathetic to point out a member of PIE behaving arrogantly towards others when he did not know the facts himself, but your reasoning does not explain why Xavier X was seen lingering in Sahtogas. Seeing as how I nor my corporation have anything to do with the original poster, how is my reply not unexpected? It would help us understand what is really going on.
Foxi Brown	Posted - 2005.04.05 04:59:00 - [62] Edited by: Foxi Brown on 05/04/2005 05:05:29 Past history indeed, I myself have recently seen Xavier X located in Blood Raider stations in Sahtogas (coincidently the location of a lvl 4 raider agent) for hours on end. But then perhaps this past your mentioning is 2 days long
Archbishop	Posted - 2005.04.05 05:15:00 - [63] Quote: "Seeing as how I nor my corporation have anything to do with the original poster, how is my reply not unexpected? It would help us understand what is really going on." Nothings going on as originally indicated. Myadra is working to save her siter. Xavier has been in 12+ corps prior to joining PIE a month or so ago. I'm honored a member of the UQS would spend the time to go through the 70+ member PIE roster looking for particular standings thats all. Archbishop VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Kaleigh Doyle	Posted - 2005.04.05 05:16:00 - [64] Trouble in paradise? Glamour Bunnies Entertainment Corporation
Arenis Xemdal	Posted - 2005.04.05 05:20:00 - [65] I would enjoy if this discussion did not involve so many presumptions from your end, considering Foxi Brown's post just above yours. No one needs to look through 70 names when they can simply look through the Sahtogas Local channel. Speaking of which, you've avoided explaining.
Archbishop	Posted - 2005.04.05 05:28:00 - [66] Quote: " would enjoy if this discussion did not involve so many presumptions from your end, considering Foxi Brown's post just above yours. No one needs to look through 70 names when they can simply look through the Sahtogas Local channel. Speaking of which, you've avoided explaining." I visit that system too. I suppose I am a Blood Raider spy? Archbishop VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Arenis Xemdal	Posted - 2005.04.05 05:30:00 - [67] Originally by: Archbishop Quote: " would enjoy if this discussion did not involve so many presumptions from your end, considering Foxi Brown's post just above yours. No one needs to look through 70 names when they can simply look through the Sahtogas Local channel. Speaking of which, you've avoided explaining." I visit that system too. I suppose I am a Blood Raider spy? Archbishop 2005.04.05 05:25:00 [Xavier X] is currently at Oyonata IV - Moon 1 - Blood Raiders Assembly Plant station in the Tandoiras constellation of The Bleak Lands region.
Archbishop	Posted - 2005.04.05 05:48:00 - [68] I will apologize for my arrogance. At times being in my position having to deal with underlings all day causes some unintended consequences. For that I am sorry. As a supporter of Doriam having to constantly defend his honor to those who would speak with traitorous tounge I am someone overzealous in my dealings with people. I will contact Xavier X and ascertain if he is working for these vile creatures. If he is I will recommend he be ordered to cease at once. The life of a young woman is at stake here. That is the big picture. Hopefully Myadra will be successful and free her loved one from the clutches of these beasts. Archbishop VISIT THE PIE HOMEPAGE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Darth Revanant	Posted - 2005.04.05 05:52:00 - [69] Finally, focus is returned to the crisis at hand. UQS will do whatever it can to aid the freeing of the young woman.
Graelyn	Posted - 2005.04.05 05:53:00 - [70] Aye, too many raised voices. Patience is key. This issue will be resolved, but not by pointing wild fingers. There are still questions left unanswered. I am confident they WILL be, and would like to ask all involved to work towards clearing the air and making the truth be known, and nothing else! Minister - Public Affairs AEGIS MILITIA ATCR Forums
Kular	Posted - 2005.04.05 06:18:00 - [71] I've kept quiet about this a bit too long. While I admire Myadra for trying to save her sister I am apaulled that her or any member of PIE would condone such actions that have been taken to retrieve her. I might be cold hearted about this, but the life of 1 girl is nothing compared to the countless lives of good Amarrians you've taken while working with the Blood Raiders. A more direct approach should have been taken to returning the young woman, even if she was lost in the attempt many Blood Raiders could have been put to the Flame. More importantly, no Amarrians would have been Killed or Captured while working with the Blood Raiders... I hope something changes Immediatly... As of now I shall hold Myadra in low personal Standings and they shall decrease if her Blood Raider standings increase, and only once all those standings are gone, and she has repaid the Empire's services twice over shall I again consider her a noble Citizen. These are my own feelings, I'm sorry Myadra, but this was wrong in my oppinion. Home of Ubiqua Seraph Eve's only all Sarum loyal corporation.
mahhy	Posted - 2005.04.05 07:22:00 - [72] Originally by: Archbishop I'm sorry what is a "specialized ship"? Myadra is working to free her sister from the clutches of these dispicable people. This type of loyalty to an Amarrian family member is commendable and your pathetic attempt to call it anything else is ...... well ...... pathetic. So when Myadra does show up owning a Bhaalgorn, will PIE then admit that they were duped? Just curious...
Hardin	Posted - 2005.04.05 08:12:00 - [73] PIE has not been duped Mahhy. As has been outlined elsewhere we know the reason why Myadra was working there. Now, Xavier X, is a different matter and I shall be having a chat. What I find interesting is that Ubiqua Seraph, a fellow Amarrian corp, who we work with regularly has jumped on this subject with some glee. If they had an issue they could have come and talked to me privately and raised this issue. Instead they come on GalNet to do so. While the issue is legitimate and will be investigated there are proper processes for doing these things and UQS have certainly not followed those - which is very dissappointing!
Jakk Graiseach	Posted - 2005.04.05 08:12:00 - [74] So she is killing hundreds, or maybe thousands, of Amarrians on missions for the Blood Raider pirates to save 1 Amarrian? I don't want to cause trouble, I just don't see why there is anything 'noble' about murdering your own people while working for pirates. I expect I'll get the usual 'shut up you know nothing about the empire' reply, but in this case it would be wrong. I have studied all the chronicles and historical material relating to Amarr - including the released scriptures and the PIE/CVA rules of engagement and constitutional material. The 'emperor' is against the Blood Raiders and those who work for them. The 'emperor' is pro-amarrian and against those who take amarrian lives. Ignore the fact that we are at war, something is very wrong here, isn't it? I wonder what Holder Ankigher - or indeed the Chamberlain - would have to say about the CVA stance on this issue? Originally by: Court Chamberlain "Since the Empire was founded, we have placed a great deal of emphasis on our traditions and customs. It is these traditions and customs that define the Empire and its many provinces." -- All accounts cancelled - have fun guys
Hardin	Posted - 2005.04.05 08:45:00 - [75] Edited by: Hardin on 05/04/2005 08:52:47 Just to add to this... PIE as a corporation has a multitude of pilots with extremely high Amarr standings. In fact as a Corporation we have one of the best Amarrian standings in the galaxy. PIE pilots should not be working for factions in opposition to the Empire unless in very special circumstances (i.e. Myadra). I have reiterated this guidance to our pilots yet again. PIE pilots who work for opposing factions AFTER joining PIE will receive a warning and then be expelled if they do not adjust their ways. Some of our pilots do join with negative standings. That is a fact of life. Many Amarrians have turned from the Empire and it is our job to bring them back into the light and onto the right path. Those pilots who do join with negative standings towards our glorious Empire are expected to ensure that those standings do not become any worse and indeed to repair their relations with the Empire while members of PIE. I have reiterated that guidance in our private comms channels once again. I do not think that ANYONE can question our loyalty and devotion to the Empire or the work we do on its behalf. This quibble about the behaviour of two out of +100 pilots demonstrates how low some people will sink in their efforts to knock us. While I appreciate the fact that this matter has been raised I am extremely sceptical of the motives of those behind it. It seems that some are more interested in slinging mud than working for the benefit of the Amarrian Empire. Well so be it. This act and the 'loyalty' it demonstrates will be remembered...
Graelyn	Posted - 2005.04.05 09:10:00 - [76] It's the stupidest possible course of action that could be decided upon, but if you want to take it there, fine. chokes back a long string of curses and takes a deep breath I informed PIE and CVA of the discovery of these things quite some time ago, with the warning that it would be discovered it would look quite bad. Soon after this came the press release reguarding Myadra and her lost sister. I asked for explanation. UQS were the first to make a PIE/Bloodraider sighting, but not the last. Aeternus maintains tight relations with both UQS and CVA. They are both argueable superpowers of the Amarrian pod pilot community, and Aeternus supports ALL Pro-Amarr efforts. This position has been much harder to maintain than one might think. Amarr have long memories. The Ushra'Khan have thier issue with Gradient, the situation here is not much different. Standing between them, sometimes you get quite a view. With the issue at hand, the way this has been handled is beyond belief. I know the details and situation behind this. Those who do not must rely on the facts readily availible, which upon first glance is actually quite damning. Were I not privy to certain things, I would be the first to level the charges! A - This all could have been prevented had CVA explained the situation when confronted by it, rather than lashing at any who dared accuse. Until now, cooler heads were beginning to prevail on this..... B - This all could have been made much easier had UQS not made great effort to see it persued, or perhaps gone to CVA at some point for clarification, something pride seems to make an impossibility. So, cut out the sniping, the both of you. Get this sorted out. The world is watching. Minister - Public Affairs AEGIS MILITIA ATCR Forums
Jakk Graiseach	Posted - 2005.04.05 09:11:00 - [77] Originally by: Hardin PIE pilots should not be working for factions in opposition to the Empire unless in very special circumstances (i.e. Myadra). I have reiterated this guidance to our pilots yet again. I find your justification of Myadra killing innocent Amarrians distasteful. It besmirches the reputation of your whole alliance. Your failure to address this issue and the pathetic excuse for allowing it to continue show that your 'honour' is a negotiable commodity. That will be remembered long after this day - and will be rolled out as an example of CVA hypocrisy every time you lay claim to any integrity in your actions... -- All accounts cancelled - have fun guys
Arenis Xemdal	Posted - 2005.04.05 09:20:00 - [78] Our "issue" with Myadra was dealt with privately and on all occasions we were told it was none of our business. Only when we dared take it public did it force a reply out of you that went beyond "We will not be judged by your kind, our actions are our own". Now you make a public challenge which was not met by us, but by others who have noticed even more deviance within your corporation. You would now condemn us for not using the "proper processes" because you fear being judged by the public, while seeing it fit to ignore our private pleas for explaination? Perhaps its convenient, given our histories, to claim we act with more fervor over the issue. But if you look carefully, none of these posts began with ours. Despite all this, and any personal opinions on the matter, we still offer assistance in recovering Myadra's sister which goes unnoticed and unthanked.. The Gallente and Minmatar quite readily and openly judge you based on very little fact, yet their baseless opinions are held to a higher plateau of importance than simple questions from "a fellow Amarrian corporation". What reason do you possibly have for being dissapointed at us? There is no grand scheme against PIE Inc, despite your insinuations that we are somehow connected to the Minmatar terrorist which began this debacle. While I understand Archbishop's overzealous comments were sprouted by the need to constantly defend his actions - there is no guarantee that this level of unfounded hate and arrogance will not continue in situations where he is not explicitly proven wrong. Nor does it show him to be a competent public speaker, if he cannot handle himself in a calm and constructed manner. We understand quite well that only in the Kingdom of God can you ultimately be judged on your mortal existance. However, if you wish to turn your statement of working with us regularily, into something more than a blatant lie, you need to regain some control over your corporation. You need to cast a light upon your members activities, and evaluate whether the life of one Amarrian should equal the lives of thousands.
Graelyn	Posted - 2005.04.05 09:25:00 - [79] walks away I give up. Minister - Public Affairs AEGIS MILITIA ATCR Forums
Hardin	Posted - 2005.04.05 09:36:00 - [80] Edited by: Hardin on 05/04/2005 09:47:41 To Jakk: I have no doubt that if were pedantic enough to do it we could find all sort of interesting 'pecularities' in the track record of SF pilots, and to be honest any corp we are in conflict with. I think it says something that we are not DESPERATE enough to have to do that sort of thing. Our fleets do our talking for us in space where it matters. By go ahead all means continue to fill GalNet with your inane criticisms. After all its the only place you can make your point... My statement above positively lays out PIE's position on this issue. It explains what our policy is and what action will be. As I have stated we made an exception in the case of Myadra. With regard Xavier X I will as already stated be having a word with that pilot when our paths cross. If he is not willing to comply he will be expelled from the Corporation. I have also taken the action of reiterating our policy to our pilots once again. You, and many of the people criticising here, are unaware of the full facts and reasoning behind our decision to grant Myadra this exception on compassionate grounds. Nor do you know how this is all going to turn out. So I would advise against digging yourself a deeper pit or you may just end up with a year's supply of egg on your face...
Hardin	Posted - 2005.04.05 09:46:00 - [81] Originally by: Graelyn It's the stupidest possible course of action that could be decided upon, but if you want to take it there, fine. Graelyn Yes you informed us about Myadra's actions and yes you were given a reason for them as were we and as was the entire universe. I know as you do that there have been 'certain' people who have decided to make this a bigger issue than it warrants. YOU KNOW that it is not PIE that has stirred this up. My post above CLEARLY lays out PIE's policy on the issue of pilots working for anti-Amarrian factions. This policy has been reiterated to PIE pilots. I have stated that PIE pilots breaking the policy will be expelled. What more do you want me to do? Why is it that SOME people insist on blowing the actions of a couple of members of a 100+ corporation out of proportion. Why is it that SOME people continually seek to tarnish the reputation of one of the most SUCCESSFUL and ACTIVE pro-Amarr corporations and why is it that SOME of those people are Amarr? Huh?
Jakk Graiseach	Posted - 2005.04.05 09:56:00 - [82] Originally by: Hardin You, and many of the people criticising here, are unaware of the full facts and reasoning behind our decision to grant Myadra this exception on compassionate grounds. Nor do you know how this is all going to turn out. So I would advise against digging yourself a deeper pit or you may just end up with a year's supply of egg on your face... I don't need to know any more than I've seen here. You have a pilot killing Amarrians with the blessings of the CVA. Feel free to correct any part of the sentence above that is fallacious. I only see one portion of 'egg' on any faces over this situation. The 'cover up' story doesn't hold water. You consistently fail to address the deaths of innocent ammarians at the hands of a CVA pilot. shrugs I've said what I have to say - feel free to gloss over the real issue as usual. I'll send over a tray of eggs for whenever you get the urge to spread them around a little. -- All accounts cancelled - have fun guys
DeVries	Posted - 2005.04.05 10:01:00 - [83] Originally by: Hardin Edited by: Hardin on 05/04/2005 09:47:41 You, and many of the people criticising here, are unaware of the full facts and reasoning behind our decision to grant Myadra this exception on compassionate grounds. I think your emperor might object to anyone else "granting" exceptions to destroy Amarrian Navy ships that belong to him.
Graelyn	Posted - 2005.04.05 10:08:00 - [84] Quote: Why is it that SOME people insist on blowing the actions of a couple of members of a 100+ corporation out of proportion. Why is it that SOME people continually seek to tarnish the reputation of one of the most SUCCESSFUL and ACTIVE pro-Amarr corporations and why is it that SOME of those people are Amarr? There is both a fair and unfair question here. Quote: Why is it that SOME people continually seek to tarnish the reputation of one of the most SUCCESSFUL and ACTIVE pro-Amarr corporations and why is it that SOME of those people are Amarr? It's sickening and disgusting. No if's and's or but's. This attitude has (literaly) destroyed Alliances, and makes the Empire less safe. It churns my very stomach. Quote: Why is it that SOME people insist on blowing the actions of a couple of members of a 100+ corporation out of proportion? Not a good arguement. If House Sarum were guilty of these crimes, my dying breath would probably be spent fighting them. You are not above reproach. You are responsible for the actions of your members, or at least in investigating and correcting such actions. Minister - Public Affairs AEGIS MILITIA ATCR Forums
Hardin	Posted - 2005.04.05 10:09:00 - [85] Originally by: Arenis Xemdal Our "issue" with Myadra was dealt with privately and on all occasions we were told it was none of our business. It isn't any of your business. At least not so much part of your business that you should seek to stir emnity on GalNet. When we were informed of Myadra's actions we did take internal action. We found out why Myadra was doing what she was doing and accepted that on compassionate grounds. Originally by: Arenis Xemdal You would now condemn us for not using the "proper processes" because you fear being judged by the public, while seeing it fit to ignore our private pleas for explaination? I, as CEO, have not received one 'private plee' from UQS in relation to this issue. Graelyn as mentioned above did speak to us however afaik he is not UQS. To be honest you would have got the same answer that he got which is that we have made an exception in this case. I am glad the issue of Xavier X has come to light. But again can I reiterate that until last night NO ONE had informed me of that issue and I WILL take action over it. I find it dissappointing that people decide to stir this issue on GalNet to the clear delight of our Minmatar and Gallente enemies with no strong reasoning to support such action. Originally by: Arenis Xemdal Despite all this, and any personal opinions on the matter, we still offer assistance in recovering Myadra's sister which goes unnoticed and unthanked.. I appreciate your offer of help in this issue and if it makes things better then THANK YOU. However if you really want to assist us I suggest UQS pilots take further conversations on this issue off GalNet and into in flight communications. I shall be available this evening. Originally by: Arenis Xemdal We understand quite well that only in the Kingdom of God can you ultimately be judged on your mortal existance. However, if you wish to turn your statement of working with us regularily, into something more than a blatant lie, you need to regain some control over your corporation. This is exactly the sort of statement that makes me wonder what your agenda is. As for the blatant lie I suggest you speak to your pilot Jaketh Ivanes who just this week made up part of anti-pirate activities and even joined our voice comms as we hunted enemies of the Amarr Empire. Contrary to what you might think many in PIE and the CVA do respect the work of UQS and the VAST MAJORITY of its pilots.
Soratah	Posted - 2005.04.05 10:18:00 - [86] Edited by: Soratah on 05/04/2005 10:18:57 My Lord Hardin I fail to see how you have come to this conclusion,It is true that members of the other factions have questioned CVA/PIE's handling of this situation. But from your previous posts you lead me to believe that your derrogatry comments are in fact targetting Ubiqua Seraph. All attempts at private resolution of this issue have failed. In fact I do not understand CVA/PIE's attitude at all. At great personal risk and financial loss I, a member of UQS have attempted to offer aid to you and Myadra in her desperate situation. All my High Council members requested were some information on a political nature to clarify the situation more. This situation has now degenerated into a mud slinging contest with your office targetting UQS, the only corp that offered to stand by you in these difficult times with public slander. Past history aside, we extend the olive branch by trying to offer aid and it is met with nothing but rebuttal. Rebuttal and insinuations of a most awful nature. What else can we do? I, like many others have worked with PIE to protect our beloved empire from tyranny. We also value our relationship with you. A member of Urshra'Khan Alliance exposed this and the population of readers have asked many questions. Yet you focus on us, despite the fact that members in our corp have offered you aid. And all the while this debate strains ties of friendship No action is being done in an attempt to aid Myadra and bring her sister safely home.
Hardin	Posted - 2005.04.05 10:20:00 - [87] Edited by: Hardin on 05/04/2005 10:40:06 Originally by: Graelyn Quote: Why is it that SOME people continually seek to tarnish the reputation of one of the most SUCCESSFUL and ACTIVE pro-Amarr corporations and why is it that SOME of those people are Amarr? It's sickening and disgusting. No if's and's or but's. This attitude has (literaly) destroyed Alliances, and makes the Empire less safe. It churns my very stomach. Graelyn, I can only assume from your reaction that you thought this was directed at you. It was not. Nevertheless it is a plain fact that there is a VERY SMALL group who go out of their way to cause Amarr emnity. To be honest we couldn't give a damn what UQS does (and I dont mean that negatively). They have their agenda and we have ours. Good luck to them I say. We do not poke our noses into their business nor do we go out of our way to interfere in what they are doing. I wish the same would apply in this case. As I have said above if UQS have issues over this they can contact me via inflight comms this evening. We are not happy with what Myadra has been forced to do. No real Amarrian would be. But as I have also said above (and I wish people would fully read my posts) an exception was made for good reasons. It was a no win situation. If we had condemned Myadra's sister to a life of torment I would have no doubt that Jakk and all the other enemies of Amarr that are taking a delight in this thread would be knocking us for being 'heartless beasts'. That is why issues such as this should stay off GalNet - unless you want to give the enemies of Amarr succour as some seem to want to do... At the end of the day the real criminals are the Blood Raiders and they shall pay for their crimes, have no fear...
Hardin	Posted - 2005.04.05 10:26:00 - [88] Edited by: Hardin on 05/04/2005 10:28:52 Originally by: Soratah I, a member of UQS have attempted to offer aid to you and Myadra in her desperate situation. All my High Council members requested were some information on a political nature to clarify the situation more. Past history aside, we extend the olive branch by trying to offer aid and it is met with nothing but rebuttal. Rebuttal and insinuations of a most awful nature. What else can we do? I, like many others have worked with PIE to protect our beloved empire from tyranny. We also value our relationship with you. I refer you to the answer I gave to your colleague some moments before: Originally by: Hardin I appreciate your offer of help in this issue and if it makes things better then THANK YOU. However if you really want to assist us I suggest UQS pilots take further conversations on this issue off GalNet and into in flight communications. I shall be available this evening. And also to this: Originally by: Hardin To be honest we couldn't give a damn what UQS does (and I dont mean that negatively). They have their agenda and we have ours. Good luck to them I say. We do not poke our noses into their business nor do we go out of our way to interfere in what they are doing. I wish the same would apply in this case. As I have said above if UQS have issues over this they can contact me via inflight comms this evening.
Hardin	Posted - 2005.04.05 10:38:00 - [89] Edited by: Hardin on 05/04/2005 10:39:04 Originally by: Graelyn Quote: Why is it that SOME people insist on blowing the actions of a couple of members of a 100+ corporation out of proportion? Not a good arguement. If House Sarum were guilty of these crimes, my dying breath would probably be spent fighting them. You are not above reproach. You are responsible for the actions of your members, or at least in investigating and correcting such actions. Not a good arguement if taken out of context. The conext being my statement of steps taken within PIE both when you informed us of Myadra's work for the Blood Raiders and subsequent internal actions (already mentioned) which you cannot be aware of as they were internal to PIE. Just so you are aware let me post a section of an internal PIE communication that sets our position on these matters: "I have said this before but can I remind pilots of PIE that they are working for the premier organisation defending Amarr from terrorists and pirates... Your actions are meant to reflect this ideology. PIE pilots should not be working for anti-Amarr factions. FULLSTOP. Anyone caught doing such missions will be EXPELLED from the corp unless a VERY VERY GOOD reason is provided... If you join PIE with a high anti-Amarr standing then we also expect an effort will be made to improve your Amarr standing to a respectable level..." Do you think that is clear enough?
Jakk Graiseach	Posted - 2005.04.05 10:44:00 - [90] Originally by: Hardin If we had condemned Myadra's sister to a life of torment I would have no doubt that Jakk and all the other enemies of Amarr that are taking a delight in this thread would be knocking us for being 'heartless beasts'. No - we wouldn't actually. We might have expected you to mount a rescue operation, or something else within the original remit of the CVA. I have stated my opinion of the choice you actually made. -- All accounts cancelled - have fun guys

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