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Hurum
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Posted - 2005.04.03 21:53:00 -
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Everyone who reviews this comms channel has heard of PIE and CVAÆs claim to be the moral and religious guardians of the Amarr faith. We have all had to listen to the sanctimonious sermons delivered by Archbishop. We have all heard about how slavery is used to ôspiritually improveö a slaveÆs life.
And we have all known these for the lies they are. But perhaps you did not know of the allegiance between PIE and the heretical (even to Amarr sensibilities) cult of the Blood Raiders.
On a recent trip into the Bleak Lands to hunt down the aforementioned Blood Raiders, I noticed a large number of PIE vessels were in the area. At first I assumed they were hunting down the cultists themselves, until I realised many of the pilots were operating from the Raider run station in Oyanata.
It was there that I noticed a Bestower, piloted by the infamous slaver Myadra heading towards the Gallente federation. I also noticed that this pilot (and probably many more members of PIE and the CVA) has superb standings with the Blood raiders.
I am sure I do not have to tell you what such a scourge of the free peoples of EVE would be doing in a slave transport in Gallente space, and operating from a Blood Raider base at that? Given her standings with the Blood Raider Covenant there is no way she was rescuing sacrifices. So she must have been gathering innocents from Gallente and Intaki colonies to sate the diabolical needs of the Blood Cult.
I regret to say that I was unable to overhaul her transport, after she doubled back into the Bleak Lands (where she obviously feels safest) and I lost contact.
I believe that this activity sheds new light on the CVAÆs move into the unpoliced region of Providence.
Does anyone remember the smoke screen put up by Hardin in the pages of the EVE Guardian a few months ago when he falsely accused the noble Thukker tribe of supplying sacrifices to the Blood Raiders, obviously to hide his own tracks?
If the Amarr faith is true, and not simply a flimsy justification of their way of life every true believer in the Amarr faith will denounce the CVA and PIE for the heretics and traitors that they are.
The populace of the EVE cluster awaits their action.
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Ka'lorn Font'a
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Posted - 2005.04.03 21:59:00 -
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Edited by: Ka''lorn Font''a on 03/04/2005 21:59:26
May I point you to this fairly recent transmission located here with regards to the PIE Pilot Myadra.
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.04.03 22:03:00 -
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If the Blood Raiders believe Gallentean blood is pure, then they're obviously more stupid that I'd have ever guessed. Still not as stupid as PIE, though...
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.03 22:08:00 -
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Smokescreen? Accusing Thukker of making sacrifices to BloodRaider? Please point this out to me...
Honestly dont remember saying that but I could be wrong... it happens.
As my colleague has already poointe dout you need to read this communication.
I also see this is your first ever post. How wonderful that it needs to on such a controversial subject! How strange...
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Kostantin Mort
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Posted - 2005.04.03 22:10:00 -
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Edited by: Kostantin Mort on 03/04/2005 22:22:13
That article was written by me, only by me and purely by me. Hardin had no say on what was written on that article and the CVA wasn't involved at all in any aspect of it. So your claim is naught. I was expressing my personal beliefs on the matter and in no way were they the ones of the CVA. It was a contreversial matter and I take full responsability for it.
(EDIT: Please don't open this again. I do realise that I made a slight mistake on writing that article. The article is not CVA-sponsored, so don't treat it as such. Treat it as if it's written by an outside source)
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Hurum
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Posted - 2005.04.03 22:12:00 -
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Ka'lorn Font'a - am I to understand that it is PIE's official stance that a lone Amarr citizen (probably long dead) is worth the lives of hundreds, if not thousands, of Gallente, Caldari, and Amarr lives (note that I'm not even bothering to ask you in relation to Matari lives) and the propagation and support of a heretical cult.
Myadra must have been working very hard and very long for the Blood cultists to have SUCH a high standing. Being tht far in their good graces, they'll probably award her with their own custom vessels shortly.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.04.03 22:36:00 -
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 Quote:
"It was there that I noticed a Bestower, piloted by the infamous slaver Myadra heading towards the Gallente federation. I also noticed that this pilot (and probably many more members of PIE and the CVA) has superb standings with the Blood raiders."
I realize as a pathetic Minmatar your forced to live in squalor and use antique technology. Thus it is understandable that THIS COMMUNCATION made several weeks ago has only now reached the uneducated ears of your kind Hurum.
You also claim "many more" PIE pilots we're working with the Blood Raiders and have high standing? Perhaps you'd be so kind as to reveal "all these other" PIE pilots?
Alas there is no story here but the ramblings of an insignificant Minmatar bent on sowing lies and deception. Claiming a plot and alliance where there is none Hurum instead twists a very old story of one PIE member seeking to free her imprisoned sister into some kind of heretic plot. I find it amusing that such a wretched uneducated creature as this Hurum would even make such accusations without any form of proof whatsoever.
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"I am sure I do not have to tell you what such a scourge of the free peoples of EVE would be doing in a slave transport in Gallente space, and operating from a Blood Raider base at that? Given her standings with the Blood Raider Covenant there is no way she was rescuing sacrifices. So she must have been gathering innocents from Gallente and Intaki colonies to sate the diabolical needs of the Blood Cult."
Using the warped logic of your uneducated mind you seek to draw some kind of connection between "flying near someones space" and "kidnapping innocents". Perhaps you have proof of these activities as well?
Ah the uneducated Minmatar. So much potential only to be trapped in the squalor and myth of "freedom". Hurum I would like to offer you a free ride in an SPCS bestower to the Amarr Center for Slave Reeducation in Amarr. There you will learn the true way of God and be prepared to take your rightful place as a servant of God and Amarr.
Archbishop
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jules winnfield
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Posted - 2005.04.03 23:29:00 -
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One PIE member would work so hard to free her half sister? Maybe then whe will gain an understanding of why we fight so hard to free our people? Maybe she will finaaly have revealed to her the injustices her empire would perpetrate against the people of other races they deem inferior.
Jules
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2005.04.04 01:14:00 -
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Ha ha ha.
Grow a spine.
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Majaraw Awalabas
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Posted - 2005.04.04 08:58:00 -
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I look forward for MUFF rejoining Ushra'Khan and putting their words into actions.
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Sforza
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Posted - 2005.04.04 10:39:00 -
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PIE have a jackal in their midst.
And no, Im not buying this 'sister' claptrap.
After all, I assume said Jackal is keeping the rewards the Blood Raiders are doling out, and would it be cynical to suggest that the Jackals sister will be returned as soon as a Bhaalgorn is offered by the Blood Raiders?
Sforza
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The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2005.04.04 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 04/04/2005 11:46:14
The question is, if the 'return of the sister' involves, bizarrely, her being shipped back in a Bhaalgorn will PIE really field a ship of Blood Raider manufacture?
The Cosmopolite
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DeVries
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Posted - 2005.04.04 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: DeVries on 04/04/2005 11:49:18
Nothing like a scandal to spice things up.
If these "defenders of the Amarrian Empire" can make up a blackmail story to justify shooting Amarrian navy ships, they can make up one to justify using a Bhaalgorn. |
Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2005.04.04 16:03:00 -
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Mmm...most disturbing and merits further investigation.
Though I'd recieved detailed information from reliable Amarri pilots who gave me specific coordinates regarding a significant number of Empire pilots working for the Blood Raiders, some field work would be useful in confirming these rumors. Barring lady Myadra's obvious plight, if CVA pilots are working for the Blood Raiders it'd rend them most hypocritical, even to their own society.
Furthermore, allowing the kidnapping of free Gallente citizens is most disheartening, but it seems the CVA's stance on kidnapping and terrorism is to give in to their demands, and in the process you've opened a wellspring of trouble.
I'll pray for you. 
Glamour Bunnies Entertainment Corporation
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Shira d'Radonis
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Posted - 2005.04.04 16:16:00 -
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Edited by: Shira d''Radonis on 04/04/2005 16:31:38
Hurum, you know I hold you in high regard, but I think that perhaps you are being a bit presumptuous...
What would be the motives for PIE or CVA to be involved in dealings with the Blood Raiders? I'll concede that certainly some of them could be (and are) dealing with the Blood Raiders, but I don't see how this could be construed to be even unofficial policy...
Originally by: Majaraw Awalabas
I look forward for MUFF rejoining Ushra'Khan and putting their words into actions.
I don't think they intend to rejoin U'K, but I do think they are trying to goad you into war with their corp.
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Soratah
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Posted - 2005.04.04 16:43:00 -
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Here in the midst of my brothers and sisters of Ubiqua Seraph we feel heartfelt sorrow for Myadra and the loss of her sister.
This is a shining example of Amarr nobility, to put yourself at great risk to protect your family. We must also pray for the noble CVA/PIE admiralty particularly Light Kominiski and lieutenant Sabbott for their dilligent work in aiding Myadra's attempts to release her sister.
All Amarrians should join in unity to aid Myadra. As I speak I have already mobilised my divisions of Kameiras and Marines to the Bleak lands. We will save Myadra and her sister from their cruel fate with a massive rescue operation. I ask, no I implore that all Amarrians rally to the cause in this rescue operation. Mobilise your troops, and ships, set course for the Sahtogas system. So we can stand firm and bring aid to the lost.
Regards
Soratah
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Shira d'Radonis
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Posted - 2005.04.04 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Soratah
Here in the midst of my brothers and sisters of Ubiqua Seraph we feel heartfelt sorrow for Myadra and the loss of her sister.
This is a shining example of Amarr nobility, to put yourself at great risk to protect your family. We must also pray for the noble CVA/PIE admiralty particularly Light Kominiski and lieutenant Sabbott for their dilligent work in aiding Myadra's attempts to release her sister.
All Amarrians should join in unity to aid Myadra. As I speak I have already mobilised my divisions of Kameiras and Marines to the Bleak lands. We will save Myadra and her sister from their cruel fate with a massive rescue operation. I ask, no I implore that all Amarrians rally to the cause in this rescue operation. Mobilise your troops, and ships, set course for the Sahtogas system. So we can stand firm and bring aid to the lost.
Regards
Soratah
You'll excuse my hearty dose of skepticism of course... Myadra only cares about one person: Myadra. You give her the right length of rope, and I guarantee that she'll hang you by it. She was probably the one who sold her sister to the pirates...
You would do well to watch that one. 
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Soratah
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Posted - 2005.04.04 17:02:00 -
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Originally by: Shira d'Radonis
Originally by: Soratah
Here in the midst of my brothers and sisters of Ubiqua Seraph we feel heartfelt sorrow for Myadra and the loss of her sister.
This is a shining example of Amarr nobility, to put yourself at great risk to protect your family. We must also pray for the noble CVA/PIE admiralty particularly Light Kominiski and lieutenant Sabbott for their dilligent work in aiding Myadra's attempts to release her sister.
All Amarrians should join in unity to aid Myadra. As I speak I have already mobilised my divisions of Kameiras and Marines to the Bleak lands. We will save Myadra and her sister from their cruel fate with a massive rescue operation. I ask, no I implore that all Amarrians rally to the cause in this rescue operation. Mobilise your troops, and ships, set course for the Sahtogas system. So we can stand firm and bring aid to the lost.
Regards
Soratah
You'll excuse my hearty dose of skepticism of course... Myadra only cares about one person: Myadra. You give her the right length of rope, and I guarantee that she'll hang you by it. She was probably the one who sold her sister to the pirates...
You would do well to watch that one.
Perhaps she has seen the light of her previous ways and is trying to save her soul and her sister from the clutches of those Blood raider pirates.
The more we all delay, the more depraved and heretical things those beastily Blood Raiders will force her to do. I propose an immediate rescue operation, with her sister returned to her she and the rest of her corp will not longer need to work with the Blood Raiders. Especially if those evil monsters force her to fly one of their own warships.
Regards
Soratah
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.04.04 17:04:00 -
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No problem with enslaving others, but dont like your own kind enslaved? 
Now what ever happend to the CVA stance to never negotiate with terrorists? You caved in regarding the stolen holy trinket, but that was because your emperor told you to (My how obedient to a decrepit old cyborg).
But your pandering in that sob story about an enslaved sister was pathetic. Was one female in distress all it took to buy your morals?
I cant wait till Sansha assimilate somones daughter, or Serpentis gets one hooked on drugs. Im sure you will be obedient little fedo for those pirates as well.
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Soratah
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Posted - 2005.04.04 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: theRaptor
No problem with enslaving others, but dont like your own kind enslaved?
Now what ever happend to the CVA stance to never negotiate with terrorists? You caved in regarding the stolen holy trinket, but that was because your emperor told you to (My how obedient to a decrepit old cyborg).
But your pandering in that sob story about an enslaved sister was pathetic. Was one female in distress all it took to buy your morals?
I cant wait till Sansha assimilate somones daughter, or Serpentis gets one hooked on drugs. Im sure you will be obedient little fedo for those pirates as well.
Was that a reply to my post or about Myadra's situation?
If it was then I shall be clearer in my speach. I'll ignore the issue with the Cross, because im not in full possession of the facts and im not PIE inc. May I remind you of the current strength in unity and a hierarchical system that has allowed the Amarr empire to control over 42% of this Galaxy. The largest Empire up to date.
Please dont preach to me about morals or rights. Each person in OUR Empire cares for their family. Each Amarr chosen pilot considers themselves to be a member of that family. and as good families do, we offer aid whenever it is needed. Be it Sansha assimilation, Serpentis doping, or Blood raider whoring.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.04.04 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Soratah
Originally by: theRaptor
No problem with enslaving others, but dont like your own kind enslaved?
Now what ever happend to the CVA stance to never negotiate with terrorists? You caved in regarding the stolen holy trinket, but that was because your emperor told you to (My how obedient to a decrepit old cyborg).
But your pandering in that sob story about an enslaved sister was pathetic. Was one female in distress all it took to buy your morals?
I cant wait till Sansha assimilate somones daughter, or Serpentis gets one hooked on drugs. Im sure you will be obedient little fedo for those pirates as well.
Was that a reply to my post or about Myadra's situation?
If it was then I shall be clearer in my speach. I'll ignore the issue with the Cross, because im not in full possession of the facts and im not PIE inc. May I remind you of the current strength in unity and a hierarchical system that has allowed the Amarr empire to control over 42% of this Galaxy. The largest Empire up to date.
Please dont preach to me about morals or rights. Each person in OUR Empire cares for their family. Each Amarr chosen pilot considers themselves to be a member of that family. and as good families do, we offer aid whenever it is needed. Be it Sansha assimilation, Serpentis doping, or Blood raider whoring.
Well negotiating with terrorists is against official CVA policy. It took quite a lot for them to cave in to get their religous doohickey back. But now everyone knows you just need to kidnap their relative and you own them
There is probably only one original Blood Raider and the rest are working to free their enslaved sisters
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.04.04 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: theRaptor
Well negotiating with terrorists is against official CVA policy. It took quite a lot for them to cave in to get their religous doohickey back. But now everyone knows you just need to kidnap their relative and you own them
There is probably only one original Blood Raider and the rest are working to free their enslaved sisters
Lol, yeah, coz like, you big and tough Caldari never care for your family, and don't try to get em free no matter what, omg.
I support working for the Covenant, if there is no other option.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.04.04 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
Originally by: theRaptor
Well negotiating with terrorists is against official CVA policy. It took quite a lot for them to cave in to get their religous doohickey back. But now everyone knows you just need to kidnap their relative and you own them
There is probably only one original Blood Raider and the rest are working to free their enslaved sisters
Lol, yeah, coz like, you big and tough Caldari never care for your family, and don't try to get em free no matter what, omg.
I support working for the Covenant, if there is no other option.
Do I have a "no negotitian" policy? Nope.
Do I claim to uphold the will of the Emperor, yet work for a proscribed cult? Nope.
Do I claim to be ruthlessly anti-pirate, yet work for pirates? Nope.
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Tatsue Nuko
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Posted - 2005.04.04 17:52:00 -
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Edited by: Tatsue Nuko on 04/04/2005 17:54:00
Humm humm...
So, CVA... Which of the following do you think causes the greater harm to God's work in the universe?
A) Letting one Amarri woman suffer the clutches of the Blood Raider Covenant.
B) Actively aiding said covenant for quite some time time, most likely strengthening them extensively.
I smell a coverup...
Oh, and how many lives of faithful Amarri has fallen to Myadra's service to the Covenant? How many of your brothers and sisters under God has been killed in her self-serving quest for her sister? Hmm?
Tsk tsk...
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Shira d'Radonis
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Posted - 2005.04.04 17:55:00 -
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What I'm still trying to figure out is why everyone buys this argument of CVA's support of the Blood Raiders wholesale regardless of the fact that there's only evidence of one individual in PIE guilty of helping them, and even then, the reasons why are undetermined.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.04.04 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Shira d'Radonis
What I'm still trying to figure out is why everyone buys this argument of CVA's support of the Blood Raiders wholesale regardless of the fact that there's only evidence of one individual in PIE guilty of helping them, and even then, the reasons why are undetermined.
For the simple reason that PIE would kick out any member that went rogue like that, if you believe them. How can the Empires finest be associated with scum like the Raiders?
They harp on about the minnie terrorists but dont do anything about someone working for a much worse evil?
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Soratah
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Posted - 2005.04.04 18:03:00 -
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As the subspace channels are a buzz with this information I have a statement.
1024 Kameiras and 150 marines have now been deployed covertly in a rapid strike against Blood Raider holdings. This primary purpose is the rescue of prisoners from the clutches of the Blood Raider terrorists, to smash their operation, and to round up their leaders in the system.
An official press release will follow soon
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Shira d'Radonis
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Posted - 2005.04.04 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: theRaptor
For the simple reason that PIE would kick out any member that went rogue like that, if you believe them. How can the Empires finest be associated with scum like the Raiders?
They harp on about the minnie terrorists but dont do anything about someone working for a much worse evil?
That is evidence of nothing more than a passive-aggressive support of the Blood Raiders... they don't kick Myadra out because they lose less face by playing down her involvement with the Blood Raiders. If they kicked her out, they'd have to admit having made a mistake to let her in. None of this suggests any kind of conspiracy except the one to cover up her corruption. The fact that they even let her into their ranks suggests a sort of naivety that I never would've expected from CVA.
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Seto Mazzarotto
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Posted - 2005.04.04 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Discorporation
Lol, yeah, coz like, you big and tough Caldari never care for your family, and don't try to get em free no matter what, omg.
I support working for the Covenant, if there is no other option.
Well, that depends on the Caldari. Good little State drones take such situations in stride, and accept their relatives' fates as collateral damage. You know, that 'All For the Good of Many' doctrine that they love to throw about when comes time to part with something you don't want to.
But Caldari who claim their own free minds do otherwise. 
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Shira d'Radonis
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Posted - 2005.04.04 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Soratah
As the subspace channels are a buzz with this information I have a statement.
1024 Kameiras and 150 marines have now been deployed covertly in a rapid strike against Blood Raider holdings. This primary purpose is the rescue of prisoners from the clutches of the Blood Raider terrorists, to smash their operation, and to round up their leaders in the system.
An official press release will follow soon
Well, it would certain appear that you're in full damage control.... cover up Myadra's indiscretion by launching a "heroic" raid into Blood Raider territory to "rescue" hostages. I must admit, you people have quite a way with spin....
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.04.04 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Shira d'Radonis
Originally by: Soratah
As the subspace channels are a buzz with this information I have a statement.
1024 Kameiras and 150 marines have now been deployed covertly in a rapid strike against Blood Raider holdings. This primary purpose is the rescue of prisoners from the clutches of the Blood Raider terrorists, to smash their operation, and to round up their leaders in the system.
An official press release will follow soon
Well, it would certain appear that you're in full damage control.... cover up Myadra's indiscretion by launching a "heroic" raid into Blood Raider territory to "rescue" hostages. I must admit, you people have quite a way with spin....
Soratah is not CVA. Im sure he is just a loyal citizen who would rather be proactive in freeing people held by the Blood Raiders, rather then passively letting fellow Amarrians risk their immortal souls by dealing with them.
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Tarm
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Posted - 2005.04.04 18:18:00 -
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Most of you are operating under the impression that you have the authority to hold PIE and the CVA accountable.
We answer solely to God and to the Empire; you misguided lot are neither.
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2005.04.04 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: Gaius Kador on 04/04/2005 18:22:43
I see verbal diharrea has set in again, with presumptious fools leading a pathetic carnival of deviants and subhumans in a laughable attempt to besmirch that which they never can aspire to become.
You voice your opinion on PIE and our policies, you automatically assume too much.
I have some sound advice for the Raptor in particular, though his co-degenerates would be wise to heed it as well.
If you spent a fraction of the time wasted on degrading yourselves in public, on combat and fleet operations instead, you might find that hiring mercenaries to show you which way to point the barrels of your guns would be unnecessary.
Never ever question our loyalty and dedication to the Empire, nor our methods, for we have served honorably since the inception of pod technology.
This is just another challenge, and through turmoil the strong shall prevail, emerging stronger than ever. That is the story of PIE, and the CVA. From strength to strength.
We have never backed down from a test of character, neither will we do so this time.
Our minds are set on a course of action, and by God we shall see it through successfully.
End.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.04.04 18:22:00 -
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So you answer to God not the Emperor? You know with the Blood Raiders being a proscribed sect and all.
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.04.04 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Kador
...( a lot of stuff that had nothing to do with why CVA allows their pilots to work for blood drinking pirates )...
Thanks for that Gaius - do try to stay focussed though.
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Shira d'Radonis
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Posted - 2005.04.04 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Kador
Edited by: Gaius Kador on 04/04/2005 18:22:43
I see verbal diharrea has set in again, with presumptious fools leading a pathetic carnival of deviants and subhumans in a laughable attempt to besmirch that which they never can aspire to become.
You voice your opinion on PIE and our policies, you automatically assume too much.
I have some sound advice for the Raptor in particular, though his co-degenerates would be wise to heed it as well.
If you spent a fraction of the time wasted on degrading yourselves in public, on combat and fleet operations instead, you might find that hiring mercenaries to show you which way to point the barrels of your guns would be unnecessary.
Never ever question our loyalty and dedication to the Empire, nor our methods, for we have served honorably since the inception of pod technology.
This is just another challenge, and through turmoil the strong shall prevail, emerging stronger than ever. That is the story of PIE, and the CVA. From strength to strength.
We have never backed down from a test of character, neither will we do so this time.
Our minds are set on a course of action, and by God we shall see it through successfully.
End.
In this particular case, I have to agree with the presumptuous nature of the accusations against your organization. They do not seem well-founded.
However, you yourself have referred to this as "just another challenge" and have said that "[your] minds are set on a course of action." So that means then that you do indeed think there is a problem on the part of certain individuals and their relationship with the Blood Raiders? And what is that course of action?
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2005.04.04 18:32:00 -
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Edited by: Gaius Kador on 04/04/2005 18:32:19
I have said what needs to be said.
Speculation is for the faithless.
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Shira d'Radonis
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Posted - 2005.04.04 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: Shira d''Radonis on 04/04/2005 18:36:33
Edited by: Shira d''Radonis on 04/04/2005 18:35:38
Originally by: Gaius Kador
Speculation is for the faithless.
Only one who presumes himself as being owed blind faith should ask for it. And those words coming from the mouth of a mortal are blasphemous in their very nature.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.04.04 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Kador
Edited by: Gaius Kador on 04/04/2005 18:32:19
I have said what needs to be said.
Speculation is for the faithless.
Ah so your religous beliefs allows you to ignore the Emperors proscription against the Blood Raider cult?
* checks Gauis' clothes for spilt blood.
Your cheeks do seem to have a rosey glow to them recently Gaius.
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[40]
Originally by: Gaius Kador
Edited by: Gaius Kador on 04/04/2005 18:32:19
I have said what needs to be said.
Speculation is for the faithless.
In alio pediculum, in te ricinum non vides
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Posted - 2005.04.04 18:41:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Shira d'Radonis
Edited by: Shira d''Radonis on 04/04/2005 18:36:33
Edited by: Shira d''Radonis on 04/04/2005 18:35:38
Originally by: Gaius Kador
Speculation is for the faithless.
Only one who presumes himself as being owed blind faith should ask for it. And those words coming from the mouth of a mortal are blasphemous in their very nature.
Are you branding me a blasphemer?
Read my post again woman, the true and unwavering service PIE has rendered the Empire since the inception of pod technology alone should make us deserving of your trust.
Do you think you can interview me like some gypsie reporter from a gallentean tabloid?
Your lack of Faith is disturbing.
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Tarm
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Posted - 2005.04.04 18:41:00 -
[42]
Again, and I quote:
Most of you are operating under the impression that you have the authority to hold PIE and the CVA accountable.
We answer solely to God and to the Empire; you misguided lot are neither.
That is Enough.
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Posted - 2005.04.04 18:42:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Jakk Graiseach
Originally by: Gaius Kador
Edited by: Gaius Kador on 04/04/2005 18:32:19
I have said what needs to be said.
Speculation is for the faithless.
In alio pediculum, in te ricinum non vides
Oh, Jakk, I love it when you talk Latin... 
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.04.04 18:52:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Jakk Graiseach on 04/04/2005 20:49:28
Originally by: Tarm
We answer solely to God and to the Empire; you misguided lot are neither.
Originally by: The Scriptures. Book II.
"Our Lord visited his flock and saw that all was not good.
Blasphemy and heresy ruled the land.
The Lord punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood.
But the people of Amarr lived righteously and in fear of God.
Thus they were saved and became God's chosen one."
Wonder if 'god' would still feel that way in light of this news. Personally, if I were one of you guys, I'd be taking "swimming in your own blood" lessons about now.
You really are in denial huh?
Qui non est hodie cras minus aptus erit
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Posted - 2005.04.04 18:53:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Gaius Kador
Are you branding me a blasphemer?
Read my post again woman, the true and unwavering service PIE has rendered the Empire since the inception of pod technology alone should make us deserving of your trust.
Do you think you can interview me like some gypsie reporter from a gallentean tabloid?
Your lack of Faith is disturbing.
I have been branding PIE and CVA as blasphemers from Day 1, and I have explained elsewhere why this is so.
And your "unwavering service" does not give you the authority to speak for your master, worm! God's word compels you to service, not the other way around... You cannot make a statement and then say that God backs you up because you are in service to him. He does not make Law upon the word of PIE or Gaius Kador! You ask for blind faith where you are owed none. No one but GOD has any such right!
Or has the power completely gone to your head by now? If there is a lack of faith in your words it is because they ring so hollow... the words of a man who uses GOD to substantiate his own place in this world. You would have God do your bidding would you? Here He is to make Truth of what you say? You hide behind your religious cloak, old man, when what you really are is nothing but a fork-tongued snake in our garden... and I will be pleased when you've been stamped out.
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Posted - 2005.04.04 20:47:00 -
[46]
Oh my, nice try even though I don't even feel flattered.
Slightly amused, thats about it.
By the by, and I will get told off for this, I get the chance and your purged.
Trust me.
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Posted - 2005.04.04 20:58:00 -
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First other than Myadra there are no PIE pilots working for the Blood Raiders.
Those thinking otherwise are invited to spend the time to check the public standings of all PIE pilots... if you find this statement to be false I would like to know the names of any pilots. However as I trust our Pilots I am not going to take the time to investigate myself.
I suggest that those who wish to not sound like complete fools should... ah check their facts before speculateing.
Oh and Shira, I would suggest that stateing that PIE, an organisation that has in the last two years been recognised favorably multiple times by the Imperial Chancellor, is blasphemous is a fairly moronic statement.
You see the Imperial Chancellor is the direct deputy of the Emperor, who is the direct deputy of God. So If the Emperor does not find PIE blasphemous... who are you to do so?
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DeVries
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Posted - 2005.04.04 21:09:00 -
[48]
It only takes 1 person to get a Bhaalgorn.
Isn't it already hypocritical enough for a supposed pro-Amarr corp to support a person with -3.65 Amarr faction standing and 9.80 Blood Raider corp standing? Will be be seeing another PIE pilot some time in the near future with a kidnapped "cousin" working for the Sansha or maybe even Minmatar? Will that also be dismissed as "just" 1 pilot?
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Posted - 2005.04.04 23:38:00 -
[49]
Say what you will about the Conveniently Virtuous Alliance, but they are zealous in their beliefs, however misanthropic they may be. Personally, I do not see this discovery as an indictment but more as a corroboration of some unverified rumors that many members of the CVA held their noses while approving Myadra's application.
Her continued voluntary debasement at the feet of these deviants must be causing many hoods to tremble with silent rage in the halls of CVA headquarters. I can only imagine the sheer willpower required of the Grand Inquisitor not to throttle her into begging for forgiveness when passing her in the halls ...
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Posted - 2005.04.05 00:07:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Lok''ri on 05/04/2005 00:08:39
I would perhaps suggest that... one understand that there may be more to the situation than meets the eye.
You know why the pilot started to work for the Blood Raiders. Any Information about why the Admiralty of PIE inc chooses to allow her activities to continue is strictly classified as it would compromise the ability of said pilot to do what she has set out to accomplish.
In fact saying this much has been saying too much. I respectfully request that all PIE inc pilots no longer respond to this thread until the time is right for the information on this case to be declassified.
If some random pilots wish to try and use this situation to smear PIE's name, I would suggest that they wait and see what happens before their smear campaign bites them in the posterior as the more interesting details than that of mere 'standings' are made clear.
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Posted - 2005.04.05 00:17:00 -
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All this criticism over nothing. All the lies and half truths and accusations in a vain attempt to stir the pot of discord and discontent.
Hurum, a lost and confused Minmatar, making his first appearance on Galnet picks a contraversial subject that makes one wonder what other influence he is working under.
Star Fraction, anarchists and terrorists who seek to disrupt the legal Amarrian way of life. Coming into our Empire and seeking to tell its citizens how to live.
You all forget the true tragedy here.
Lost, alone, chained to a wall without clothing, taken away from God and barely allowed to survive while being used for hideous blood raider experiments.
Trying to compare this travesty to the legal caring Amarrian slave trade is a joke. Amarrians and the SPCS care for their slaves and offer them the gift of enlightement. We bring them closer to God and give them purpose.
What purpose do the evil Blood Raiders give Myadra's sister?
None.
There is no comparison. While we Amarrians are kind, caring and compassionate in the care of the lost Minmatar beasts the evil Blood Raiders seek only to exploit and cause pain. They offer no gift of enlightenment, no holy scriptures for study, no right of prayer and worship of the almighty God.
No there is no comparison and those who fail to see that are as lost as the Minmatar we rescue from the myth of freedom. I can only pray some day all shall come to know God as I do and find a true purpose in life.
Archbishop
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DeVries
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Posted - 2005.04.05 01:34:00 -
[52]
There is only one reason why anyone works for any of the established pirate factions right now and that answer is their specialized ships.
PIE would get more respect if they stop hiding behind smokescreen reasons and just simply admit they're working against their own empire in order to get a Bhaalgorn. Greed is at least an honest reason. |
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Posted - 2005.04.05 02:03:00 -
[53]
Quote:
"There is only one reason why anyone works for any of the established pirate factions right now and that answer is their specialized ships."
I'm sorry what is a "specialized ship"? Myadra is working to free her sister from the clutches of these dispicable people. This type of loyalty to an Amarrian family member is commendable and your pathetic attempt to call it anything else is ...... well ...... pathetic.
But about what I'd expect of a lessor species.
Archbishop
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DeVries
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Posted - 2005.04.05 02:37:00 -
[54]
Edited by: DeVries on 05/04/2005 02:44:04
Thought you Amarrians were all about loyalty to Empire first. Killing Amarrian Navy ships for the sake of one family member? How many hundreds of your own fellow Amarrians have died? So the good of the one now outweighs the good of the Empire? Funny how things change when a Bhaalgorn is at stake. |
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Posted - 2005.04.05 02:49:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Archbishop
There is no comparison. While we Amarrians are kind, caring and compassionate in the care of the lost Minmatar beasts the evil Blood Raiders seek only to exploit and cause pain. They offer no gift of enlightenment, no holy scriptures for study, no right of prayer and worship of the almighty God.
No there is no comparison and those who fail to see that are as lost as the Minmatar we rescue from the myth of freedom. I can only pray some day all shall come to know God as I do and find a true purpose in life.
Archbishop
And the Blood Raiders feel they are kind, caring and compassionate in the care of the lost Amarri beasts.
Aww someone else is claiming the religion and God defences. What ever shall you do?
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.04.05 03:02:00 -
[56]
These are serious accusations.
It would put my mind at ease to see CVA answering them seriously, not dismissively.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.04.05 04:04:00 -
[57]
Edited by: Archbishop on 05/04/2005 04:16:07
Quote:
"These are serious accusations.
It would put my mind at ease to see CVA answering them seriously, not dismissively."
Such a pity to see so many brought to their feet over a non-issue. Instead what is pathetic is the thought that someone in their first galnet communication ever would post such lies and half truths. Then again knowing who the original poster really is now just verifies what we already suspected about this communications origins. Ah the wonders of a modern intelligence network.
Archbishop
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Arenis Xemdal
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Posted - 2005.04.05 04:22:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
First other than Myadra there are no PIE pilots working for the Blood Raiders.
Those thinking otherwise are invited to spend the time to check the public standings of all PIE pilots... if you find this statement to be false I would like to know the names of any pilots. However as I trust our Pilots I am not going to take the time to investigate myself.
I suggest that those who wish to not sound like complete fools should... ah check their facts before speculateing.
You place much trust in your pilots, while calling others fools for speculating without facts. Perhaps you should speak with Xavier X, a member of PIE Inc. with +3.51 Blood Raider standing.
Has he betrayed your trust, or was his sister abducted too?
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.04.05 04:32:00 -
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Quote:
"Has he betrayed your trust, or was his sister abducted too?"
His standing was achieved before joining PIE. In fact looking at his corp history I find over a dozen other corporations. Any more "suspects"?
Pathetic. But like I said. Knowning where this original past REALLY came from now your reply isn't unexpected.
Archbishop
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.04.05 04:41:00 -
[60]
*rubs temples slowly*
I know you're not implicating fellow Amarr in this....are you?
Is working relationship a year-long, forged in laserfire and guilded in blood, so easily questioned?
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Arenis Xemdal
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Posted - 2005.04.05 04:48:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Arenis Xemdal on 05/04/2005 05:00:26
Originally by: Archbishop
Pathetic. But like I said. Knowning where this original past REALLY came from now your reply isn't unexpected.
Archbishop
Perhaps it was pathetic to point out a member of PIE behaving arrogantly towards others when he did not know the facts himself, but your reasoning does not explain why Xavier X was seen lingering in Sahtogas.
Seeing as how I nor my corporation have anything to do with the original poster, how is my reply not unexpected? It would help us understand what is really going on.
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Foxi Brown
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Posted - 2005.04.05 04:59:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Foxi Brown on 05/04/2005 05:05:29
Past history indeed, I myself have recently seen Xavier X located in Blood Raider stations in Sahtogas (coincidently the location of a lvl 4 raider agent) for hours on end. But then perhaps this past your mentioning is 2 days long
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.04.05 05:15:00 -
[63]
Quote:
"Seeing as how I nor my corporation have anything to do with the original poster, how is my reply not unexpected? It would help us understand what is really going on."
Nothings going on as originally indicated. Myadra is working to save her siter. Xavier has been in 12+ corps prior to joining PIE a month or so ago. I'm honored a member of the UQS would spend the time to go through the 70+ member PIE roster looking for particular standings thats all.
Archbishop
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Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2005.04.05 05:16:00 -
[64]
Trouble in paradise?
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Arenis Xemdal
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Posted - 2005.04.05 05:20:00 -
[65]
I would enjoy if this discussion did not involve so many presumptions from your end, considering Foxi Brown's post just above yours. No one needs to look through 70 names when they can simply look through the Sahtogas Local channel. Speaking of which, you've avoided explaining.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.04.05 05:28:00 -
[66]
Quote:
" would enjoy if this discussion did not involve so many presumptions from your end, considering Foxi Brown's post just above yours. No one needs to look through 70 names when they can simply look through the Sahtogas Local channel. Speaking of which, you've avoided explaining."
I visit that system too. I suppose I am a Blood Raider spy?
Archbishop
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Arenis Xemdal
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Posted - 2005.04.05 05:30:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Archbishop
Quote:
" would enjoy if this discussion did not involve so many presumptions from your end, considering Foxi Brown's post just above yours. No one needs to look through 70 names when they can simply look through the Sahtogas Local channel. Speaking of which, you've avoided explaining."
I visit that system too. I suppose I am a Blood Raider spy?
Archbishop
2005.04.05 05:25:00
[Xavier X] is currently at Oyonata IV - Moon 1 - Blood Raiders Assembly Plant station in the Tandoiras constellation of The Bleak Lands region.
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Archbishop
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Posted - 2005.04.05 05:48:00 -
[68]
I will apologize for my arrogance. At times being in my position having to deal with underlings all day causes some unintended consequences. For that I am sorry. As a supporter of Doriam having to constantly defend his honor to those who would speak with traitorous tounge I am someone overzealous in my dealings with people.
I will contact Xavier X and ascertain if he is working for these vile creatures. If he is I will recommend he be ordered to cease at once.
The life of a young woman is at stake here. That is the big picture. Hopefully Myadra will be successful and free her loved one from the clutches of these beasts.
Archbishop
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Darth Revanant
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Posted - 2005.04.05 05:52:00 -
[69]
Finally, focus is returned to the crisis at hand. UQS will do whatever it can to aid the freeing of the young woman.
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.04.05 05:53:00 -
[70]
Aye, too many raised voices. Patience is key. This issue will be resolved, but not by pointing wild fingers.
There are still questions left unanswered. I am confident they WILL be, and would like to ask all involved to work towards clearing the air and making the truth be known, and nothing else!
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Kular
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Posted - 2005.04.05 06:18:00 -
[71]
I've kept quiet about this a bit too long.
While I admire Myadra for trying to save her sister I am apaulled that her or any member of PIE would condone such actions that have been taken to retrieve her.
I might be cold hearted about this, but the life of 1 girl is nothing compared to the countless lives of good Amarrians you've taken while working with the Blood Raiders.
A more direct approach should have been taken to returning the young woman, even if she was lost in the attempt many Blood Raiders could have been put to the Flame. More importantly, no Amarrians would have been Killed or Captured while working with the Blood Raiders...
I hope something changes Immediatly... As of now I shall hold Myadra in low personal Standings and they shall decrease if her Blood Raider standings increase, and only once all those standings are gone, and she has repaid the Empire's services twice over shall I again consider her a noble Citizen.
These are my own feelings, I'm sorry Myadra, but this was wrong in my oppinion.
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Posted - 2005.04.05 07:22:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Archbishop
I'm sorry what is a "specialized ship"? Myadra is working to free her sister from the clutches of these dispicable people. This type of loyalty to an Amarrian family member is commendable and your pathetic attempt to call it anything else is ...... well ...... pathetic.
So when Myadra does show up owning a Bhaalgorn, will PIE then admit that they were duped?
Just curious...
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 08:12:00 -
[73]
PIE has not been duped Mahhy.
As has been outlined elsewhere we know the reason why Myadra was working there.
Now, Xavier X, is a different matter and I shall be having a chat.
What I find interesting is that Ubiqua Seraph, a fellow Amarrian corp, who we work with regularly has jumped on this subject with some glee.
If they had an issue they could have come and talked to me privately and raised this issue. Instead they come on GalNet to do so.
While the issue is legitimate and will be investigated there are proper processes for doing these things and UQS have certainly not followed those - which is very dissappointing!
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.04.05 08:12:00 -
[74]
So she is killing hundreds, or maybe thousands, of Amarrians on missions for the Blood Raider pirates to save 1 Amarrian?
I don't want to cause trouble, I just don't see why there is anything 'noble' about murdering your own people while working for pirates.
I expect I'll get the usual 'shut up you know nothing about the empire' reply, but in this case it would be wrong. I have studied all the chronicles and historical material relating to Amarr - including the released scriptures and the PIE/CVA rules of engagement and constitutional material.
The 'emperor' is against the Blood Raiders and those who work for them. The 'emperor' is pro-amarrian and against those who take amarrian lives.
Ignore the fact that we are at war, something is very wrong here, isn't it? I wonder what Holder Ankigher - or indeed the Chamberlain - would have to say about the CVA stance on this issue?
Originally by: Court Chamberlain
"Since the Empire was founded, we have placed a great deal of emphasis on our traditions and customs. It is these traditions and customs that define the Empire and its many provinces."
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Posted - 2005.04.05 08:45:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Hardin on 05/04/2005 08:52:47
Just to add to this...
PIE as a corporation has a multitude of pilots with extremely high Amarr standings. In fact as a Corporation we have one of the best Amarrian standings in the galaxy.
PIE pilots should not be working for factions in opposition to the Empire unless in very special circumstances (i.e. Myadra). I have reiterated this guidance to our pilots yet again.
PIE pilots who work for opposing factions AFTER joining PIE will receive a warning and then be expelled if they do not adjust their ways.
Some of our pilots do join with negative standings. That is a fact of life. Many Amarrians have turned from the Empire and it is our job to bring them back into the light and onto the right path.
Those pilots who do join with negative standings towards our glorious Empire are expected to ensure that those standings do not become any worse and indeed to repair their relations with the Empire while members of PIE.
I have reiterated that guidance in our private comms channels once again.
I do not think that ANYONE can question our loyalty and devotion to the Empire or the work we do on its behalf. This quibble about the behaviour of two out of +100 pilots demonstrates how low some people will sink in their efforts to knock us.
While I appreciate the fact that this matter has been raised I am extremely sceptical of the motives of those behind it.
It seems that some are more interested in slinging mud than working for the benefit of the Amarrian Empire.
Well so be it. This act and the 'loyalty' it demonstrates will be remembered...
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.04.05 09:10:00 -
[76]
It's the stupidest possible course of action that could be decided upon, but if you want to take it there, fine.
*chokes back a long string of curses and takes a deep breath*
I informed PIE and CVA of the discovery of these things quite some time ago, with the warning that it would be discovered it would look quite bad. Soon after this came the press release reguarding Myadra and her lost sister. I asked for explanation. UQS were the first to make a PIE/Bloodraider sighting, but not the last.
Aeternus maintains tight relations with both UQS and CVA. They are both argueable superpowers of the Amarrian pod pilot community, and Aeternus supports ALL Pro-Amarr efforts. This position has been much harder to maintain than one might think. Amarr have long memories. The Ushra'Khan have thier issue with Gradient, the situation here is not much different.
Standing between them, sometimes you get quite a view.
With the issue at hand, the way this has been handled is beyond belief. I know the details and situation behind this. Those who do not must rely on the facts readily availible, which upon first glance is actually quite damning.
Were I not privy to certain things, I would be the first to level the charges!
A - This all could have been prevented had CVA explained the situation when confronted by it, rather than lashing at any who dared accuse. Until now, cooler heads were beginning to prevail on this.....
B - This all could have been made much easier had UQS not made great effort to see it persued, or perhaps gone to CVA at some point for clarification, something pride seems to make an impossibility.
So, cut out the sniping, the both of you. Get this sorted out. The world is watching.
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.04.05 09:11:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Hardin
PIE pilots should not be working for factions in opposition to the Empire unless in very special circumstances (i.e. Myadra). I have reiterated this guidance to our pilots yet again.
I find your justification of Myadra killing innocent Amarrians distasteful. It besmirches the reputation of your whole alliance.
Your failure to address this issue and the pathetic excuse for allowing it to continue show that your 'honour' is a negotiable commodity.
That will be remembered long after this day - and will be rolled out as an example of CVA hypocrisy every time you lay claim to any integrity in your actions...
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Posted - 2005.04.05 09:20:00 -
[78]
Our "issue" with Myadra was dealt with privately and on all occasions we were told it was none of our business. Only when we dared take it public did it force a reply out of you that went beyond "We will not be judged by your kind, our actions are our own". Now you make a public challenge which was not met by us, but by others who have noticed even more deviance within your corporation. You would now condemn us for not using the "proper processes" because you fear being judged by the public, while seeing it fit to ignore our private pleas for explaination?
Perhaps its convenient, given our histories, to claim we act with more fervor over the issue. But if you look carefully, none of these posts began with ours. Despite all this, and any personal opinions on the matter, we still offer assistance in recovering Myadra's sister which goes unnoticed and unthanked.. The Gallente and Minmatar quite readily and openly judge you based on very little fact, yet their baseless opinions are held to a higher plateau of importance than simple questions from "a fellow Amarrian corporation".
What reason do you possibly have for being dissapointed at us?
There is no grand scheme against PIE Inc, despite your insinuations that we are somehow connected to the Minmatar terrorist which began this debacle. While I understand Archbishop's overzealous comments were sprouted by the need to constantly defend his actions - there is no guarantee that this level of unfounded hate and arrogance will not continue in situations where he is not explicitly proven wrong. Nor does it show him to be a competent public speaker, if he cannot handle himself in a calm and constructed manner.
We understand quite well that only in the Kingdom of God can you ultimately be judged on your mortal existance. However, if you wish to turn your statement of working with us regularily, into something more than a blatant lie, you need to regain some control over your corporation. You need to cast a light upon your members activities, and evaluate whether the life of one Amarrian should equal the lives of thousands.
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.04.05 09:25:00 -
[79]
*walks away*
I give up.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 09:36:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Hardin on 05/04/2005 09:47:41
To Jakk:
I have no doubt that if were pedantic enough to do it we could find all sort of interesting 'pecularities' in the track record of SF pilots, and to be honest any corp we are in conflict with.
I think it says something that we are not DESPERATE enough to have to do that sort of thing. Our fleets do our talking for us in space where it matters.
By go ahead all means continue to fill GalNet with your inane criticisms. After all its the only place you can make your point...
My statement above positively lays out PIE's position on this issue. It explains what our policy is and what action will be.
As I have stated we made an exception in the case of Myadra. With regard Xavier X I will as already stated be having a word with that pilot when our paths cross. If he is not willing to comply he will be expelled from the Corporation. I have also taken the action of reiterating our policy to our pilots once again.
You, and many of the people criticising here, are unaware of the full facts and reasoning behind our decision to grant Myadra this exception on compassionate grounds.
Nor do you know how this is all going to turn out.
So I would advise against digging yourself a deeper pit or you may just end up with a year's supply of egg on your face...
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 09:46:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Graelyn
It's the stupidest possible course of action that could be decided upon, but if you want to take it there, fine.
Graelyn
Yes you informed us about Myadra's actions and yes you were given a reason for them as were we and as was the entire universe.
I know as you do that there have been 'certain' people who have decided to make this a bigger issue than it warrants. YOU KNOW that it is not PIE that has stirred this up.
My post above CLEARLY lays out PIE's policy on the issue of pilots working for anti-Amarrian factions. This policy has been reiterated to PIE pilots. I have stated that PIE pilots breaking the policy will be expelled. What more do you want me to do?
Why is it that SOME people insist on blowing the actions of a couple of members of a 100+ corporation out of proportion. Why is it that SOME people continually seek to tarnish the reputation of one of the most SUCCESSFUL and ACTIVE pro-Amarr corporations and why is it that SOME of those people are Amarr?
Huh?
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.04.05 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
You, and many of the people criticising here, are unaware of the full facts and reasoning behind our decision to grant Myadra this exception on compassionate grounds.
Nor do you know how this is all going to turn out.
So I would advise against digging yourself a deeper pit or you may just end up with a year's supply of egg on your face...
I don't need to know any more than I've seen here.
You have a pilot killing Amarrians with the blessings of the CVA.
Feel free to correct any part of the sentence above that is fallacious. I only see one portion of 'egg' on any faces over this situation. The 'cover up' story doesn't hold water.
You consistently fail to address the deaths of innocent ammarians at the hands of a CVA pilot. *shrugs* I've said what I have to say - feel free to gloss over the real issue as usual.
I'll send over a tray of eggs for whenever you get the urge to spread them around a little.
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DeVries
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:01:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
Edited by: Hardin on 05/04/2005 09:47:41
You, and many of the people criticising here, are unaware of the full facts and reasoning behind our decision to grant Myadra this exception on compassionate grounds.
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:08:00 -
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Quote:
Why is it that SOME people insist on blowing the actions of a couple of members of a 100+ corporation out of proportion. Why is it that SOME people continually seek to tarnish the reputation of one of the most SUCCESSFUL and ACTIVE pro-Amarr corporations and why is it that SOME of those people are Amarr?
There is both a fair and unfair question here.
Quote:
Why is it that SOME people continually seek to tarnish the reputation of one of the most SUCCESSFUL and ACTIVE pro-Amarr corporations and why is it that SOME of those people are Amarr?
It's sickening and disgusting. No if's and's or but's. This attitude has (literaly) destroyed Alliances, and makes the Empire less safe. It churns my very stomach.
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Why is it that SOME people insist on blowing the actions of a couple of members of a 100+ corporation out of proportion?
Not a good arguement. If House Sarum were guilty of these crimes, my dying breath would probably be spent fighting them. You are not above reproach. You are responsible for the actions of your members, or at least in investigating and correcting such actions.
Minister - Public Affairs
AEGIS MILITIA
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Our "issue" with Myadra was dealt with privately and on all occasions we were told it was none of our business.
It isn't any of your business. At least not so much part of your business that you should seek to stir emnity on GalNet.
When we were informed of Myadra's actions we did take internal action. We found out why Myadra was doing what she was doing and accepted that on compassionate grounds.
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
You would now condemn us for not using the "proper processes" because you fear being judged by the public, while seeing it fit to ignore our private pleas for explaination?
I, as CEO, have not received one 'private plee' from UQS in relation to this issue. Graelyn as mentioned above did speak to us however afaik he is not UQS. To be honest you would have got the same answer that he got which is that we have made an exception in this case.
I am glad the issue of Xavier X has come to light.
But again can I reiterate that until last night NO ONE had informed me of that issue and I WILL take action over it.
I find it dissappointing that people decide to stir this issue on GalNet to the clear delight of our Minmatar and Gallente enemies with no strong reasoning to support such action.
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
Despite all this, and any personal opinions on the matter, we still offer assistance in recovering Myadra's sister which goes unnoticed and unthanked..
I appreciate your offer of help in this issue and if it makes things better then THANK YOU. However if you really want to assist us I suggest UQS pilots take further conversations on this issue off GalNet and into in flight communications. I shall be available this evening.
Originally by: Arenis Xemdal
We understand quite well that only in the Kingdom of God can you ultimately be judged on your mortal existance. However, if you wish to turn your statement of working with us regularily, into something more than a blatant lie, you need to regain some control over your corporation.
This is exactly the sort of statement that makes me wonder what your agenda is. As for the blatant lie I suggest you speak to your pilot Jaketh Ivanes who just this week made up part of anti-pirate activities and even joined our voice comms as we hunted enemies of the Amarr Empire.
Contrary to what you might think many in PIE and the CVA do respect the work of UQS and the VAST MAJORITY of its pilots.
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:18:00 -
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Edited by: Soratah on 05/04/2005 10:18:57
My Lord Hardin
I fail to see how you have come to this conclusion,It is true that members of the other factions have questioned CVA/PIE's handling of this situation. But from your
previous posts you lead me to believe that your derrogatry comments are in fact targetting Ubiqua Seraph.
All attempts at private resolution of this issue have failed. In fact I do not understand CVA/PIE's attitude at all. At great personal risk and financial loss
I, a member of UQS have attempted to offer aid to you and Myadra in her desperate situation. All my High Council members requested were some information on a political nature to clarify the situation more. This situation has now degenerated into a mud slinging contest with your office targetting UQS, the only corp that offered to stand by you in these difficult times with public slander.
Past history aside, we extend the olive branch by trying to offer aid and it is met with nothing but rebuttal. Rebuttal and insinuations of a most awful nature. What
else can we do?
I, like many others have worked with PIE to protect our beloved empire from tyranny. We also value our relationship with you. A member of Urshra'Khan Alliance exposed this and the population of readers have asked many questions. Yet you focus on us, despite the fact that members in our corp have offered you aid. And all the while this debate strains ties of friendship No action is being done in an attempt to aid Myadra and bring her sister safely home.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:20:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 05/04/2005 10:40:06
Originally by: Graelyn
Quote:
Why is it that SOME people continually seek to tarnish the reputation of one of the most SUCCESSFUL and ACTIVE pro-Amarr corporations and why is it that SOME of those people are Amarr?
It's sickening and disgusting. No if's and's or but's. This attitude has (literaly) destroyed Alliances, and makes the Empire less safe. It churns my very stomach.
Graelyn, I can only assume from your reaction that you thought this was directed at you. It was not.
Nevertheless it is a plain fact that there is a VERY SMALL group who go out of their way to cause Amarr emnity.
To be honest we couldn't give a damn what UQS does (and I dont mean that negatively). They have their agenda and we have ours. Good luck to them I say.
We do not poke our noses into their business nor do we go out of our way to interfere in what they are doing. I wish the same would apply in this case.
As I have said above if UQS have issues over this they can contact me via inflight comms this evening.
We are not happy with what Myadra has been forced to do. No real Amarrian would be. But as I have also said above (and I wish people would fully read my posts) an exception was made for good reasons. It was a no win situation.
If we had condemned Myadra's sister to a life of torment I would have no doubt that Jakk and all the other enemies of Amarr that are taking a delight in this thread would be knocking us for being 'heartless beasts'. That is why issues such as this should stay off GalNet - unless you want to give the enemies of Amarr succour as some seem to want to do...
At the end of the day the real criminals are the Blood Raiders and they shall pay for their crimes, have no fear...
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:26:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 05/04/2005 10:28:52
Originally by: Soratah
I, a member of UQS have attempted to offer aid to you and Myadra in her desperate situation. All my High Council members requested were some information on a political nature to clarify the situation more.
Past history aside, we extend the olive branch by trying to offer aid and it is met with nothing but rebuttal. Rebuttal and insinuations of a most awful nature. What else can we do?
I, like many others have worked with PIE to protect our beloved empire from tyranny. We also value our relationship with you.
I refer you to the answer I gave to your colleague some moments before:
Originally by: Hardin
I appreciate your offer of help in this issue and if it makes things better then THANK YOU. However if you really want to assist us I suggest UQS pilots take further conversations on this issue off GalNet and into in flight communications. I shall be available this evening.
And also to this:
Originally by: Hardin
To be honest we couldn't give a damn what UQS does (and I dont mean that negatively). They have their agenda and we have ours. Good luck to them I say.
We do not poke our noses into their business nor do we go out of our way to interfere in what they are doing. I wish the same would apply in this case.
As I have said above if UQS have issues over this they can contact me via inflight comms this evening.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:38:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 05/04/2005 10:39:04
Originally by: Graelyn
Quote:
Why is it that SOME people insist on blowing the actions of a couple of members of a 100+ corporation out of proportion?
Not a good arguement. If House Sarum were guilty of these crimes, my dying breath would probably be spent fighting them. You are not above reproach. You are responsible for the actions of your members, or at least in investigating and correcting such actions.
Not a good arguement if taken out of context. The conext being my statement of steps taken within PIE both when you informed us of Myadra's work for the Blood Raiders and subsequent internal actions (already mentioned) which you cannot be aware of as they were internal to PIE.
Just so you are aware let me post a section of an internal PIE communication that sets our position on these matters:
"I have said this before but can I remind pilots of PIE that they are working for the premier organisation defending Amarr from terrorists and pirates...
Your actions are meant to reflect this ideology.
PIE pilots should not be working for anti-Amarr factions. FULLSTOP.
Anyone caught doing such missions will be EXPELLED from the corp unless a VERY VERY GOOD reason is provided...
If you join PIE with a high anti-Amarr standing then we also expect an effort will be made to improve your Amarr standing to a respectable level..."
Do you think that is clear enough?
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:44:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Hardin
If we had condemned Myadra's sister to a life of torment I would have no doubt that Jakk and all the other enemies of Amarr that are taking a delight in this thread would be knocking us for being 'heartless beasts'.
No - we wouldn't actually. We might have expected you to mount a rescue operation, or something else within the original remit of the CVA.
I have stated my opinion of the choice you actually made.
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:52:00 -
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It is quite clear Hardin, and answers my most pressing concerns quite well. You have my thanks for that.
I truly feel that much fuss could have been prevented had such issues been made public sooner. I know, internal matters are just that, but we are talking about very weighty matters.
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AEGIS MILITIA
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 10:57:00 -
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You are entitled to your opinions Jakk and Graelyn 
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.04.05 11:40:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Hardin
To Jakk:
I have no doubt that if were pedantic enough to do it we could find all sort of interesting 'pecularities' in the track record of SF pilots, and to be honest any corp we are in conflict with.
Oh yes, while just the other day I was staking out territorial claims and attacking neutral shipping at the behest of the Force of Evil. They kidnapped my poor pet fedo, and I simply must rescue him.
It just disturbs me that an anti-empire anarchist like myself has better standings to the Amarrian Government then some of your own pilots. And I also have satisfactorily negative standings to the pirates infesting Amarr space, and very low Gallente and Minmatar standings.
Your pilots feel quite free to question my allegiances, when my standings are a matter of public records. Yet you cant accept questioning about your pilots involvement in one of the most despicable pirate forces in known space? Pirates that not only prey upon your people, but practise a perverted form of your own religion?
One would think that you would be more worried about stamping them out, then killing the pathetic excuse for pirates that inhabit providence.
But of course I am an unreligous barbarian so I can not comment. However you can be guranteed that I will be making a formal complaint about your behaviour to my contacts in the Ministry of Internal Order.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 12:01:00 -
[94]
Originally by: theRaptor
It just disturbs me that an anti-empire anarchist like myself has better standings to the Amarrian Government then some of your own pilots.
And I also have satisfactorily negative standings to the pirates infesting Amarr space, and very low Gallente and Minmatar standings.
What you do in your own spare time is non of my business... I would suggest that if your standings are disturbing to you then you do something about it...
Neverthless your actions on behalf of the Empire are noted. Maybe I will let your pod escape next time we meet in space. Although to be honest finding a Star Fraction pilot in space is actually a fairly difficult task
Originally by: theRaptor
Yet you cant accept questioning about your pilots involvement in one of the most despicable pirate forces in known space?
Questions were raised and have been answered.
Originally by: theRaptor
One would think that you would be more worried about stamping them out, then killing the pathetic excuse for pirates that inhabit providence.
I am sure m0o, Legion and the Sanshas Nation will all disagree with your assessment of their capabilities.
Originally by: theRaptor
But of course I am an unreligous barbarian so I can not comment. However you can be guranteed that I will be making a formal complaint about your behaviour to my contacts in the Ministry of Internal Order.
I hope they shoot you for doing such an impertinent thing
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.04.05 12:20:00 -
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By allowing your members to support the most wanted criminals in the galaxy you also support them. I have passed this intel to DED for consideration.
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.04.05 12:32:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Hardin
It isn't any of your business. At least not so much part of your business that you should seek to stir emnity on GalNet.
Well, fame has its price Hardin. Being one of the most well known and respected Amarrian corps leads to the sort of situation where other pilots will question your motives in harbouring someone like Myadra. PIE being one of the leaders of the Amarrian pilot community means that PIE must accept the fact that sometimes they will be judged, publically.
Everyones entitled to an opion regarding PIEs actions here, although for myself I'll refrain from judgement. If the time comes that Myadra is known to be accepting rewards from the Raiders for her work... well, that would be a sad day indeed for PIE I think. Regardless of an inprisoned sister.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 05/04/2005 13:20:21
A fair comment Mahhy.
More information will be revealed shortly but you can rest assured that a 'reward' is not the motivation here.
People can judge as they wish... but someone who rushes to judgement without all the facts (and when the issue is still ongoing) is (as I said to someone earlier) liable to end up with egg on his (or her) face. 
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.04.05 13:23:00 -
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I'm amazed at how complicated this discussion has gotten. Its one (or two) CVA pilots working for enemies of not only the Amarri regime but also enemies of any civilised entity in space. My closest affiliation is with the Sisters of Eve as I have stated before, my early life was spent in training at the Sanctuary School, and even then and there we heard tales of the brutality and pure evil of the Blood Raiders.
Regardless of the status of this "sister" (even if she exists which I personally doubt) the fact of the matter is that a CVA pilot is murdering thousands of Amarri, Gallente, Caldari and Minmatar citizens to feed the vampiric habits of these outlaw heretics.
CVA hostile military action against the nation-state they claim to support?
Thats breathless hypocrisy.
Its hardly worth repeating your earlier words Hardin about never dealing with terrorists.
Terrorists = bad
Insane blood cultist heretics = good?
Your story doesn't hold water and even if it did your actions are outrageous.
Star Fraction
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 13:28:00 -
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Oh be quiet Star Fraction
Do you have to litter every discussion with your clearly biased opinions.
Neither PIE, or anyone with any sense takes anything you say seriously when it is clear that your only agenda is to stir the pot.
Please if you have an opinion come and express it to us in space. As much as we despise the Minmatar terrorists they at least try and back their words with action...
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.04.05 13:31:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Hardin
Oh be quiet Star Fraction
Do you have to litter every discussion with your clearly biased opinions. Neither PIE, or anyone with any sense takes anything you say seriously when it is clear that your only agenda is to stir the pot. Please if you have an opinion come and express it to us in space. As much as we despise the Minmatar terrorists they at least try and back their words with action...
So one of your corporation pilots hasn't been littering space with the wrecked hulks of Amarri national warships and freighters and murdering tens of thousands of your countrymen then Hardin?
Star Fraction
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Rigard Neziel
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Posted - 2005.04.05 13:33:00 -
[101]
I would expect as much from the dogs of Matar and the immature Gallente children... it is not a surprise that you toss around these flagrant accusations without even the smallest shred of evidence.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.04.05 13:35:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Rigard Neziel
I would expect as much from the dogs of Matar and the immature Gallente children... it is not a surprise that you toss around these flagrant accusations without even the smallest shred of evidence.
So how does a person get a 9.5 approval rating with the Blood Raider Sect then mr Neziel?
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Rodj Blake
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Posted - 2005.04.05 13:37:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
So one of your corporation pilots hasn't been littering space with the wrecked hulks of Amarri national warships and freighters and murdering tens of thousands of your countrymen then Hardin
If you had actually read up on this matter rather than passing judgement after hearing rumours, you would have come across this little tidbit...
Originally by: Myadra
Refusing to take on any missions, involving amarr. I began to work for these evil ones.
So the answer to your question is...
No, she hasn't.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.04.05 13:39:00 -
[104]
I'm sorry I just don't believe that. Having worked for many agents in my time I don't believe it is possible to get an approval rating that high by refusing the amount of missions neccessary to avoid all Amarr targets.
Star Fraction
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mahhy
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Posted - 2005.04.05 13:39:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Hardin
More information will be revealed shortly but you can rest assured that a 'reward' is not the motivation here.
People can judge as they wish... but someone who rushes to judgement without all the facts (and when the issue is still ongoing) is (as I said to someone earlier) liable to end up with egg on his (or her) face.
Then I'll wait and see I suppose. I do hope the facts end up backing PIEs decision to allow such a pilot in their midst, as I'm sure PIE is aware it would be a large blow to the respect they have earned from the community otherwise.
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Rigard Neziel
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Posted - 2005.04.05 13:42:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
Originally by: Rigard Neziel
I would expect as much from the dogs of Matar and the immature Gallente children... it is not a surprise that you toss around these flagrant accusations without even the smallest shred of evidence.
So how does a person get a 9.5 approval rating with the Blood Raider Sect then mr Neziel?
The point is not whether Myadra is guilty... it is whether CVA should be considered guilty as well simply because she is a member. A conspiracy has been suggested where none has been shown to exist. I think if PIE handles this well, they will rip her out of their organization like the cancer that she is.
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.04.05 13:48:00 -
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Quote:
The point is not whether Myadra is guilty... it is whether CVA should be considered guilty as well simply because she is a member. A conspiracy has been suggested where none has been shown to exist. I think if PIE handles this well, they will rip her out of their organization like the cancer that she is.
Hmmm, well I guess that would be okay. But there is another pilot with Blood Raider standings too I think. I guess the heretical cult must be quite persuasive.
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Malcoria
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Posted - 2005.04.05 13:49:00 -
[108]
Edited by: Malcoria on 05/04/2005 13:49:49
I have little love for the slavers. I would see them burn and die to free those still imprisoned in their clutches. Slavers are the worst people in the galaxy. Yet I also find that while I dislike them personally the CVA is of good character and reputation. The actions of one person are unfortunate but I do not find they damage at all the reputation of the CVA. Instead I find the real disappointment is in those who continue to argue about something that has apparently been handled. I'm speaking to Star Fraction here. Show your anger of slavery on the battlefield not in the forums. Your actions here are reprehensible and disgraceful. I have fought slavers a long time and I cant recall such a display.
Malcoria
Call of Freedom
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.04.05 13:57:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Malcoria
Edited by: Malcoria on 05/04/2005 13:49:49
I have little love for the slavers. I would see them burn and die to free those still imprisoned in their clutches. Slavers are the worst people in the galaxy. Yet I also find that while I dislike them personally the CVA is of good character and reputation. The actions of one person are unfortunate but I do not find they damage at all the reputation of the CVA. Instead I find the real disappointment is in those who continue to argue about something that has apparently been handled. I'm speaking to Star Fraction here. Show your anger of slavery on the battlefield not in the forums. Your actions here are reprehensible and disgraceful. I have fought slavers a long time and I cant recall such a display.
Malcoria
Call of Freedom
Are you a propaganda construct for the CVA Malcoria? I can't imagine somebody just saying what you just said without having a pretty imposed agenda of divide and rule. How can you describe the situation as "handled?" are you blind? And seeing as how the Star Fraction are in a shooting war with the CVA and have lost many brave fighters these past weeks shouldn't you be minding your own business?
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Shira d'Radonis
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Posted - 2005.04.05 14:04:00 -
[110]
I have to say, I agree with Malcoria... this situation does not affect my feeling towards CVA. I had no like for them before this, and that has not changed. I simply don't think Myadra's actions constitute a concerted effort on the part of PIE and others... and until there is evidence to prove the contrary, I will continue to hold that view.
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 14:34:00 -
[111]
Thank you Shira.
Though we disagree on most matters you have reached the right conclusion on this one.
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The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2005.04.05 14:47:00 -
[112]
I would offer to put PIE pilots in touch with a number of heretics and renegade transhumanists I am in contact with but I fancy the offer would be rejected.
Perhaps PIE, in expecting The Star Fraction to accept that there are wheels within wheels and hidden complexities, might start to accept that SF has a complex and diverse membership with equally complex and diverse views on almost everything.
As you never cease to remind us, we are anarchists, libertarians and, indeed, libertines. Our one point of unity is our shared freespace ideology which is rather more complex and nuanced than PIE and allies give us credit for.
Personally, as someone who has worked with the Blood Raiders in the past, I find the affair amusing and believe it only gives further credence to my personal view that CVA are basically, perhaps unconsciously I might grant, a renegade paramilitary outfit that stands as a symptom of the increasing instability of the Empire.
More broadly, I simply couldn't care less about the standings of CVA pilots. The ideology of the organisation and its attempt to setup a protectorate in Providence is what I oppose.
The Cosmopolite
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Shira d'Radonis
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Posted - 2005.04.05 14:59:00 -
[113]
Originally by: The Cosmopolite
Perhaps PIE, in expecting The Star Fraction to accept that there are wheels within wheels and hidden complexities, might start to accept that SF has a complex and diverse membership with equally complex and diverse views on almost everything.
As you never cease to remind us, we are anarchists, libertarians and, indeed, libertines. Our one point of unity is our shared freespace ideology which is rather more complex and nuanced than PIE and allies give us credit for.
You might as well say that you share nothing because some of your elements are working against your "shared ideology". You can't have free space if you support slavery as elements in SF do. As I said, tolerance of intolerance doesn't work. Or is it merely that you think that only pod pilots are entitled to freedom? In that case, I'd say that's a pretty shabby world-view.
Quote:
Personally, as someone who has worked with the Blood Raiders in the past, I find the affair amusing and believe it only gives further credence to my personal view that CVA are basically, perhaps unconsciously I might grant, a renegade paramilitary outfit that stands as a symptom of the increasing instability of the Empire.
Now that I agree with.
Quote:
More broadly, I simply couldn't care less about the standings of CVA pilots. The ideology of the organisation and its attempt to setup a protectorate in Providence is what I oppose.
Which is exactly why I said that the supposed issue of the Mamet 500 was a transparent disengenuous pretext for war.
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Majaraw Awalabas
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Posted - 2005.04.05 15:04:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
I'm sorry I just don't believe that. Having worked for many agents in my time I don't believe it is possible to get an approval rating that high by refusing the amount of missions neccessary to avoid all Amarr targets.
Your weaknesses are your own, projecting them on others, and your superiors at that, is highly illogical and disrespectful.
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Shira d'Radonis
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Posted - 2005.04.05 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Majaraw Awalabas
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
I'm sorry I just don't believe that. Having worked for many agents in my time I don't believe it is possible to get an approval rating that high by refusing the amount of missions neccessary to avoid all Amarr targets.
Your weaknesses are your own, projecting them on others, and your superiors at that, is highly illogical and disrespectful.
She does have a point... I really think it's a mistake for PIE to be surrounding their ships around Myadra. They ought to be sending her packing. The more you try to insist no wrong-doing on her part, the more you become complicit in it. I already said that I do not believe there has been a concerted effort on the part of CVA to work with the Blood Raiders, but I do think it would be a mistake to deny that someone in your midst has not been working in the best interests of the Empire. She is a serpent... toss her out.
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The Cosmopolite
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Posted - 2005.04.05 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 05/04/2005 16:01:12
Originally by: Shira d'Radonis
[re SF freespace ideology]
You might as well say that you share nothing because some of your elements are working against your "shared ideology". You can't have free space if you support slavery as elements in SF do. As I said, tolerance of intolerance doesn't work. Or is it merely that you think that only pod pilots are entitled to freedom? In that case, I'd say that's a pretty shabby world-view.
Speaking personally, Shira, I am an abolitionist. I am also against wage-slavery, hierarchical political systems and the dead hand of CONCORD intefering in capsuleer affairs.
I have to recognise that not everything I would wish to be achieved can be achieved overnight.
SF as an organisation has no policy on slavery. Our freespace ideology does not depend on a semantic use of the component word 'free'. It is aimed at maximum freedom of action for capsuleers and the advancement, over time, of all beings to the point where such grotesqueries as outright slavery, wage-slavery, oppressive hierarchies and supra-national militaries are unnecessary.
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[re anti-CVA for freespace ideology reasons]
Which is exactly why I said that the supposed issue of the Mamet 500 was a transparent disengenuous pretext for war.
In all honesty, and I have openly said this on GalNet for some time now if you care to check, I agree with you. The freedom of the Mamet 500 is desirable in and of itself. However, I am far more concerned about the expanisionism of CVA and I believe I can say that the majority of SF members share that view even while some obviously feel strongly about slavery also.
The Cosmopolite
PS. If you wish to further discuss these matters, I suggest a new GalNet thread be setup as I feel I have intruded on the private (and not-so-private) grief of the Amarr paramilitary community quite sufficiently in this thread.
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Kurenin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 20:36:00 -
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I find it very interesting to find UQS harping on about this still, in light of the conversations I have had with directors on the subject.
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[22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas?
[22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming
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Kurenin
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Posted - 2005.04.05 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Hardin
Oh be quiet Star Fraction
Do you have to litter every discussion with your clearly biased opinions.
Neither PIE, or anyone with any sense takes anything you say seriously when it is clear that your only agenda is to stir the pot.
Please if you have an opinion come and express it to us in space. As much as we despise the Minmatar terrorists they at least try and back their words with action...
I agree completely, all I have seen Star Fraction do in regards to the dealings of CVA is stir things up, poke their nose in where it's not needed and, of course, post in full ignorance of the position.
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[22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas?
[22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming
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Slipaz
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Posted - 2005.04.05 20:42:00 -
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Edited by: Slipaz on 05/04/2005 20:43:52
What a stupid affair.
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Tinuviel
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Posted - 2005.04.05 21:31:00 -
[120]
Edited by: Tinuviel on 05/04/2005 21:30:45
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
So one of your corporation pilots hasn't been littering space with the wrecked hulks of Amarri national warships and freighters and murdering tens of thousands of your countrymen then Hardin?
Since you have never done any blood raider missions, and that your alliance has no loyalty to anyone, I find your opinion to be biased, unwarrented, and supremely ignorant.
Secondly, the ammount of missions involving amarr navy is lower than you think, there are more missions issued where you must kill factions or groups that are hostile to the empire, than missions where amarr navy is the target, in fact refusing the missions with amarr targets should be possible without losing standing at all, as most agents won't go ballistic if you refuse a mission now and then.
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Vera Liskrii
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Posted - 2005.04.06 01:00:00 -
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Edited by: Vera Liskrii on 06/04/2005 01:57:11
This case, combined with the theft of the Sacred Cross makes me wonder. Is it now the position of the CVA to allow negotiations with terrorists and cults? To think that the CVA was not going to negotiate for the Sacred Cross until the Chamberlain became involved, but will freely allow a member to negotiate for a single life seems to indicate a worrying trend that CVA members can be coerced.
"Tell me what you eat, and I'll tell you what you are" - Vera Liskrii, Goddess of Ni-Kunni Cuisine |
Jeffrey Lebowski
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Posted - 2005.04.06 09:59:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Jakk Graiseach
I don't need to know any more than I've seen here.
You have a pilot killing Amarrians with the blessings of the CVA.
Feel free to correct any part of the sentence above that is fallacious.
Gladly... From Myadra's statement:
Originally by: Myadra
Refusing to take on any missions, involving amarr. I began to work for these evil ones.
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.04.06 10:13:00 -
[123]
Edited by: Jakk Graiseach on 06/04/2005 10:13:28
{nested quotes messed up}
Originally by: Jeffrey Lebowski
Gladly... From Myadra's statement:
Originally by: Myadra
Refusing to take on any missions, involving amarr. I began to work for these evil ones.
Thank you for your clarification. I'm sure Myadra is ensuring that, during her work for these blood drinking pirates, no amarrians are harmed.
It is good to see that she has your backing in her endeavours to assist the Blood Raiders in terminating the lives of non-amarrian citizens only.
I shall now return to my studies...
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.04.06 10:35:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Vera Liskrii
Edited by: Vera Liskrii on 06/04/2005 01:57:11
This case, combined with the theft of the Sacred Cross makes me wonder. Is it now the position of the CVA to allow negotiations with terrorists and cults? To think that the CVA was not going to negotiate for the Sacred Cross until the Chamberlain became involved, but will freely allow a member to negotiate for a single life seems to indicate a worrying trend that CVA members can be coerced.
Are you surprised? They are after all only imperial amarr. They are still living in backwater style of rule, in which the only way to get ahead is to bribe or kill the ones above you to achieve rank that is naturally a birthright. So of course these primitive people can be coerced. You think the fact that between the Caldari the empire its the Gallente thats the common enemy. Of course not.
The Amarr lust for salvation is only seconded by thier lust for power. The State is not allied with the Amarr, they see an obvious weakness in thier ethtics and they are benifiting that. This in itself deems the empire unworhty of expanding a plagued society further into space.
If they truely love thier religion they would give up thier dependance on material power. But you know, and I know that will not change. So it behoves you to benifit from thier weakness.
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Tinuviel
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Posted - 2005.04.06 16:37:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Jakk Graiseach
Edited by: Jakk Graiseach on 06/04/2005 10:13:28
{nested quotes messed up}
Originally by: Jeffrey Lebowski
Gladly... From Myadra's statement:
Originally by: Myadra
Refusing to take on any missions, involving amarr. I began to work for these evil ones.
Thank you for your clarification. I'm sure Myadra is ensuring that, during her work for these blood drinking pirates, no amarrians are harmed.
It is good to see that she has your backing in her endeavours to assist the Blood Raiders in terminating the lives of non-amarrian citizens only.
I shall now return to my studies...
Do the star fraction actually do ANYTHING but troll the boards?
You see, if you the remove the amarr/ammatar missions, your left with entities hostile to Amarr, like Khanid, rouge drones, rival pirate factions , merc's and who knows what..
The more you reply to the topic, the more you show that you have absolutely NO CLUE AT ALL about who fights who in Tandoiras.
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.04.06 17:14:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Tinuviel
Do the star fraction actually do ANYTHING but troll the boards?
I see. Responding to an answer of my question is 'trolling' now.
Thank you for that further clarification.
If you ever have anything useful to say, I'm sure we'll be listening.
Have a really nice day now...
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2005.04.06 19:51:00 -
[127]
Quote:
Do the star fraction actually do ANYTHING but troll the boards?
No we don't exist. Close your eyes and count to 10 and we'll disappear and you will never have to worry about us again.
Have a really nice day! 
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OdinWolph
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Posted - 2005.04.06 23:43:00 -
[128]
I find it rather fascinating that the person, which reasoning and ways are questioned, isn't getting involved on this channel.
Hardin seems to be the most active defender of her, yet she doesn't seem to show a lot of appreciation, openly here on GalNet, for this. Not even once has she tried to justify her claims. Could it be that she does indeed have an ulterior motive and thus chooses not to coment on this matter?
Perhaps she is deceiving PIE and CVA, with false claims about having a sister? Datapads can pretty easy be forged into showing things which are not quite true.
Maybe the Blood Raiders have provided her with these datapads to show the CVA as "proof" of a missing sister in order for her to spy on the CVA and the Amarr Empire while performing the duties of the Blood Raiders.
A teardripping story, a few false datapads and some money under the table... I think there is more to this then Myadra is willing to let us know about.
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.04.07 00:53:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Tinuviel
Do the star fraction actually do ANYTHING but troll the boards?
You see, if you the remove the amarr/ammatar missions, your left with entities hostile to Amarr, like Khanid, rouge drones, rival pirate factions , merc's and who knows what..
The more you reply to the topic, the more you show that you have absolutely NO CLUE AT ALL about who fights who in Tandoiras.
Of course Star Fraction does other things, but you cannot yet see our agenda as we are a gas and move in multiple directions.
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Golan Trevize
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Posted - 2005.04.07 11:19:00 -
[130]
Edited by: Golan Trevize on 07/04/2005 11:20:31
I eat newly born Minmatar babies......or so the story goes.
Point is dont belive anything you hear, this situation is an internal matter , speculate all you want, but do not think that you can influence PIE in any way.
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KhanJohn
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Posted - 2005.04.07 11:34:00 -
[131]
ooooh oooh.....Myadra traded me a Warp Core Stabiliser and an EM shield hardener....yesterday whiel docked in Amarr....
Shes helping the terrorists!!! Quick everyone point fingers!!!!!
ooooh oooh i had a chat with a PIE member the other day and he said hes prefer to fly Caldari Ravens!!!!........Blasphemy!!!! QUICK everyone point fingers!!!!
and to show that it works the other way round....
Apparently the minmitar captured me and brainwashed me!!!!!
Furthermore some CVA want to reclaim me and chat to me.....yet at the same time they wish me a most gruesome death........QUICK NON UNIFIED ACTIONS POINT FINGER's
See.....funny eh???
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Jakk Graiseach
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Posted - 2005.04.07 12:48:00 -
[132]
Originally by: KhanJohn
See.....funny eh???
Not remotely, actually...
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Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2005.04.07 15:04:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Golan Trevize
Edited by: Golan Trevize on 07/04/2005 11:20:31
I eat newly born Minmatar babies......or so the story goes.
Point is dont belive anything you hear, this situation is an internal matter , speculate all you want, but do not think that you can influence PIE in any way.
Mmm....but I believe that one..
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Redwolf
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Posted - 2005.04.07 21:22:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Jakk Graiseach
Originally by: KhanJohn
See.....funny eh???
Not remotely, actually...
OMG amazingly didnt get it, quick point fingers!
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Graelyn
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Posted - 2005.04.07 22:43:00 -
[135]
Originally by: KhanJohn
ooooh oooh.....Myadra traded me a Warp Core Stabiliser and an EM shield hardener....yesterday whiel docked in Amarr....
Shes helping the terrorists!!! Quick everyone point fingers!!!!!
ooooh oooh i had a chat with a PIE member the other day and he said hes prefer to fly Caldari Ravens!!!!........Blasphemy!!!! QUICK everyone point fingers!!!!
and to show that it works the other way round....
Apparently the minmitar captured me and brainwashed me!!!!!
Furthermore some CVA want to reclaim me and chat to me.....yet at the same time they wish me a most gruesome death........QUICK NON UNIFIED ACTIONS POINT FINGER's
See.....funny eh???
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2005.04.08 16:58:00 -
[136]
Originally by: KhanJohn
Furthermore some CVA want to reclaim me and chat to me.....yet at the same time they wish me a most gruesome death........QUICK NON UNIFIED ACTIONS POINT FINGER's
See.....funny eh???
I want the names of the pilots who have initiated communications with you.
You are scum, a fedo, and all attempts at communication with you are treasonous.
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.04.08 17:56:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Gaius Kador
Originally by: KhanJohn
Furthermore some CVA want to reclaim me and chat to me.....yet at the same time they wish me a most gruesome death........QUICK NON UNIFIED ACTIONS POINT FINGER's
See.....funny eh???
I want the names of the pilots who have initiated communications with you.
You are scum, a fedo, and all attempts at communication with you are treasonous.
Gaius *you* are communicating with him
"Kador brand Treason. Its sacrilegious!"
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Shira d'Radonis
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Posted - 2005.04.08 19:06:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Ly'sol
Of course Star Fraction does other things, but you cannot yet see our agenda as we are a gas and move in multiple directions.
If by that you mean that you guys are a lot of hot air blowing around, I'd like to point out that we are all well aware...
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Ly'sol
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Posted - 2005.04.09 00:07:00 -
[139]
Edited by: Ly''sol on 09/04/2005 00:07:16
Originally by: Shira d'Radonis
Originally by: Ly'sol
Of course Star Fraction does other things, but you cannot yet see our agenda as we are a gas and move in multiple directions.
If by that you mean that you guys are a lot of hot air blowing around, I'd like to point out that we are all well aware...
Smug woman,
Same is always said of a dusty backwater religon that is no better than dancing around slapping finger paints on cave walls.
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Kaleigh Doyle
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Posted - 2005.04.11 16:29:00 -
[140]
Any word on the condition of Myadra's sister?
*looks concerned*
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Hardin
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Posted - 2005.04.11 17:25:00 -
[141]
Rumours abound
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Gaius Kador
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Posted - 2005.04.11 22:00:00 -
[142]
Originally by: theRaptor
Gaius *you* are communicating with him
"Kador brand Treason. Its sacrilegious!"
Funny little reptile you are.
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Pandemonium9999
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Posted - 2005.05.08 19:04:00 -
[143]
Minmatar Scum, you'll be punished for your heresy. Convert Now or Fall Here Forever!! 
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Employers:
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Convert Now or Fall Here Forever!!
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Lord Panther
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Posted - 2005.05.09 00:37:00 -
[144]
Edited by: Lord Panther on 09/05/2005 01:07:22
The situation here is indeed a tragic one. Certainly we can understand the desire to rescue a loved one from the clutches of the Blood Raiders.
It is also understandable that the hononrable PIE would ignore the foul mouths of those unbelievers who are beneath contempt. We and not they were put above all other creatures. They have no right to question the motives of their betters.
While I am sure there is a sincere desire here to save the life of an innocent noble Amarrian, I would hope that after that rush of sentiment disipates, the honorable PIE would look at the situation from a different light.
Some points I hope you would consider are these:
1 - By helping the Blood Raiders you are supporting their heretical and murderous rites. Indeed you are providing support these cultists need so they can kidnap other Amarrians.
2. - Just as at times one must choose to leave a pilot to die in order to pursue a high objective or save another pilot, it may be necessary to sacrifice this one individual in favor of the greater good of upholding the principle that there is but one answer for those those who oppose the Empire and the Emperor (blessed be his holy name). They are to be ruthlessly crushed.
3. - Even though you avoid missions that would endanger loyal Amarrians, supporting this group helps it to buy the weapons and ships it uses to prey on our holy people.
4. - By giving into the Blood Raiders you may be encouraging them to kidnap other loyal citizens in the hope that their families will be forced to do their vile bidding.
In a situation like this, each of us make our own choices. I know if faced with this myself, I would take revenge on every Blood Raider I could find rather than allow my loved one to be used as a pawn.
I beesch my noble Amarr brothers to consider that the good they propose to do here may be far outweighed by the evil they may be creating by consorting with and supporting these vile creatures.
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Gaven Lok'ri
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Posted - 2005.05.09 03:50:00 -
[145]
I would beseech Lord Panther to check the dates of such controversies before assuming that the crisis of a month ago has not been dealt with.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2005.05.09 04:53:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
I would beseech Lord Panther to check the dates of such controversies before assuming that the crisis of a month ago has not been dealt with.
aka 'covered up'
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Lord Panther
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Posted - 2005.05.10 02:02:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri
I would beseech Lord Panther to check the dates of such controversies before assuming that the crisis of a month ago has not been dealt with.
My brother, one does not resolve a controversy simply by saying that is finished.
Perhaps my eyes are weak from too much reading of the holy scriptures but I did not see any message here announcing that the sacrafices put in by your pilot have stopped.
Indeed there are posts here that indicate quite the contrary including some from your own members who have defended that actions of your pilot in the present and not the past tense
Perhaps when you are between prayers you can tell me where that post is
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Makkar
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Posted - 2005.05.10 05:15:00 -
[148]
Look, can we just leave it? PIE are evil. We know this. Accept it and move on, or shoot at them. Pointing out that one of their number consorts with the black evil naughtiness that is the Blood Raider Covenant really isn't revealing anything new or surprising.
Let the thread die.
Please?
Bloody thread necromancers.
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Myadra
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Posted - 2005.05.25 20:40:00 -
[149]
Edited by: Myadra on 26/05/2005 05:16:56
As you may all know, I have, turned to the Darkness that is the Blood Covenant, but would like to also say this..
I was a loyal Amarrian, and yes I was a "double agent" working for the Blood Covenant, while decieving and influencing CVA/PIE command who all the while never knowing my true intentions or goals (IC & OOC) and I also influenced and decieved others in UQS/Aegis Alliance, but, with the death of my sister by UQS's hands..
And the recent, provokation by Bastables, my hand was forced to defect completly... and engage and destroy their small fleet in Oyonata. I have since been honored by the Blood Covenant Command, for providing intelligence, that will further lead the empires demise..
I did never break my word to Hardin, Although I am a traitor, and a double agent, I do not break my word! and i had given him it when I stopped working for the Blood Raiders ... When my coercement and deception had worn out.. and he ordered me to halt activitys in the area.
-Lady Myadra
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Myadra
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Posted - 2005.05.26 05:13:00 -
[150]
Also, I had thought to add this.
Here is some further information of UQS/Aegis Militia's "rescue" of my sister, who also was a mid-ranking Blood Covenant Official in charge of helping defend one of our Monestarys in the Bleak Lands... And had tried to pose as a prisoner in the attack...
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=172115
But was later killed in an escape attempt... they never knew the reasonings for this so never publicly announced the outcome to anyone.. except me.
-Lady Myadra
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