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Graelyn	Posted - 2005.04.05 10:52:00 - [91] It is quite clear Hardin, and answers my most pressing concerns quite well. You have my thanks for that. I truly feel that much fuss could have been prevented had such issues been made public sooner. I know, internal matters are just that, but we are talking about very weighty matters. Minister - Public Affairs AEGIS MILITIA ATCR Forums
Hardin	Posted - 2005.04.05 10:57:00 - [92] You are entitled to your opinions Jakk and Graelyn
theRaptor	Posted - 2005.04.05 11:40:00 - [93] Originally by: Hardin To Jakk: I have no doubt that if were pedantic enough to do it we could find all sort of interesting 'pecularities' in the track record of SF pilots, and to be honest any corp we are in conflict with. Oh yes, while just the other day I was staking out territorial claims and attacking neutral shipping at the behest of the Force of Evil. They kidnapped my poor pet fedo, and I simply must rescue him. It just disturbs me that an anti-empire anarchist like myself has better standings to the Amarrian Government then some of your own pilots. And I also have satisfactorily negative standings to the pirates infesting Amarr space, and very low Gallente and Minmatar standings. Your pilots feel quite free to question my allegiances, when my standings are a matter of public records. Yet you cant accept questioning about your pilots involvement in one of the most despicable pirate forces in known space? Pirates that not only prey upon your people, but practise a perverted form of your own religion? One would think that you would be more worried about stamping them out, then killing the pathetic excuse for pirates that inhabit providence. But of course I am an unreligous barbarian so I can not comment. However you can be guranteed that I will be making a formal complaint about your behaviour to my contacts in the Ministry of Internal Order. --------------------------------------------------
Hardin	Posted - 2005.04.05 12:01:00 - [94] Originally by: theRaptor It just disturbs me that an anti-empire anarchist like myself has better standings to the Amarrian Government then some of your own pilots. And I also have satisfactorily negative standings to the pirates infesting Amarr space, and very low Gallente and Minmatar standings. What you do in your own spare time is non of my business... I would suggest that if your standings are disturbing to you then you do something about it... Neverthless your actions on behalf of the Empire are noted. Maybe I will let your pod escape next time we meet in space. Although to be honest finding a Star Fraction pilot in space is actually a fairly difficult task Originally by: theRaptor Yet you cant accept questioning about your pilots involvement in one of the most despicable pirate forces in known space? Questions were raised and have been answered. Originally by: theRaptor One would think that you would be more worried about stamping them out, then killing the pathetic excuse for pirates that inhabit providence. I am sure m0o, Legion and the Sanshas Nation will all disagree with your assessment of their capabilities. Originally by: theRaptor But of course I am an unreligous barbarian so I can not comment. However you can be guranteed that I will be making a formal complaint about your behaviour to my contacts in the Ministry of Internal Order. I hope they shoot you for doing such an impertinent thing
Hakera	Posted - 2005.04.05 12:20:00 - [95] By allowing your members to support the most wanted criminals in the galaxy you also support them. I have passed this intel to DED for consideration. Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
mahhy	Posted - 2005.04.05 12:32:00 - [96] Originally by: Hardin It isn't any of your business. At least not so much part of your business that you should seek to stir emnity on GalNet. Well, fame has its price Hardin. Being one of the most well known and respected Amarrian corps leads to the sort of situation where other pilots will question your motives in harbouring someone like Myadra. PIE being one of the leaders of the Amarrian pilot community means that PIE must accept the fact that sometimes they will be judged, publically. Everyones entitled to an opion regarding PIEs actions here, although for myself I'll refrain from judgement. If the time comes that Myadra is known to be accepting rewards from the Raiders for her work... well, that would be a sad day indeed for PIE I think. Regardless of an inprisoned sister.
Hardin	Posted - 2005.04.05 13:18:00 - [97] Edited by: Hardin on 05/04/2005 13:20:21 A fair comment Mahhy. More information will be revealed shortly but you can rest assured that a 'reward' is not the motivation here. People can judge as they wish... but someone who rushes to judgement without all the facts (and when the issue is still ongoing) is (as I said to someone earlier) liable to end up with egg on his (or her) face.
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.04.05 13:23:00 - [98] I'm amazed at how complicated this discussion has gotten. Its one (or two) CVA pilots working for enemies of not only the Amarri regime but also enemies of any civilised entity in space. My closest affiliation is with the Sisters of Eve as I have stated before, my early life was spent in training at the Sanctuary School, and even then and there we heard tales of the brutality and pure evil of the Blood Raiders. Regardless of the status of this "sister" (even if she exists which I personally doubt) the fact of the matter is that a CVA pilot is murdering thousands of Amarri, Gallente, Caldari and Minmatar citizens to feed the vampiric habits of these outlaw heretics. CVA hostile military action against the nation-state they claim to support? Thats breathless hypocrisy. Its hardly worth repeating your earlier words Hardin about never dealing with terrorists. Terrorists = bad Insane blood cultist heretics = good? Your story doesn't hold water and even if it did your actions are outrageous. Star Fraction
Hardin	Posted - 2005.04.05 13:28:00 - [99] Oh be quiet Star Fraction Do you have to litter every discussion with your clearly biased opinions. Neither PIE, or anyone with any sense takes anything you say seriously when it is clear that your only agenda is to stir the pot. Please if you have an opinion come and express it to us in space. As much as we despise the Minmatar terrorists they at least try and back their words with action...
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.04.05 13:31:00 - [100] Originally by: Hardin Oh be quiet Star Fraction Do you have to litter every discussion with your clearly biased opinions. Neither PIE, or anyone with any sense takes anything you say seriously when it is clear that your only agenda is to stir the pot. Please if you have an opinion come and express it to us in space. As much as we despise the Minmatar terrorists they at least try and back their words with action... So one of your corporation pilots hasn't been littering space with the wrecked hulks of Amarri national warships and freighters and murdering tens of thousands of your countrymen then Hardin? Star Fraction
Rigard Neziel	Posted - 2005.04.05 13:33:00 - [101] I would expect as much from the dogs of Matar and the immature Gallente children... it is not a surprise that you toss around these flagrant accusations without even the smallest shred of evidence. ----------------------------------------------- There is only one natural state of man, and that is with the strong triumphing over the mongrel races.
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.04.05 13:35:00 - [102] Originally by: Rigard Neziel I would expect as much from the dogs of Matar and the immature Gallente children... it is not a surprise that you toss around these flagrant accusations without even the smallest shred of evidence. So how does a person get a 9.5 approval rating with the Blood Raider Sect then mr Neziel? Star Fraction
Rodj Blake	Posted - 2005.04.05 13:37:00 - [103] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine So one of your corporation pilots hasn't been littering space with the wrecked hulks of Amarri national warships and freighters and murdering tens of thousands of your countrymen then Hardin If you had actually read up on this matter rather than passing judgement after hearing rumours, you would have come across this little tidbit... Originally by: Myadra Refusing to take on any missions, involving amarr. I began to work for these evil ones. So the answer to your question is... No, she hasn't. Dolce et decorum est pro imperator mori
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.04.05 13:39:00 - [104] I'm sorry I just don't believe that. Having worked for many agents in my time I don't believe it is possible to get an approval rating that high by refusing the amount of missions neccessary to avoid all Amarr targets. Star Fraction
mahhy	Posted - 2005.04.05 13:39:00 - [105] Originally by: Hardin More information will be revealed shortly but you can rest assured that a 'reward' is not the motivation here. People can judge as they wish... but someone who rushes to judgement without all the facts (and when the issue is still ongoing) is (as I said to someone earlier) liable to end up with egg on his (or her) face. Then I'll wait and see I suppose. I do hope the facts end up backing PIEs decision to allow such a pilot in their midst, as I'm sure PIE is aware it would be a large blow to the respect they have earned from the community otherwise.
Rigard Neziel	Posted - 2005.04.05 13:42:00 - [106] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rigard Neziel I would expect as much from the dogs of Matar and the immature Gallente children... it is not a surprise that you toss around these flagrant accusations without even the smallest shred of evidence. So how does a person get a 9.5 approval rating with the Blood Raider Sect then mr Neziel? The point is not whether Myadra is guilty... it is whether CVA should be considered guilty as well simply because she is a member. A conspiracy has been suggested where none has been shown to exist. I think if PIE handles this well, they will rip her out of their organization like the cancer that she is. ----------------------------------------------- There is only one natural state of man, and that is with the strong triumphing over the mongrel races.
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.04.05 13:48:00 - [107] Quote: The point is not whether Myadra is guilty... it is whether CVA should be considered guilty as well simply because she is a member. A conspiracy has been suggested where none has been shown to exist. I think if PIE handles this well, they will rip her out of their organization like the cancer that she is. Hmmm, well I guess that would be okay. But there is another pilot with Blood Raider standings too I think. I guess the heretical cult must be quite persuasive. Star Fraction
Malcoria	Posted - 2005.04.05 13:49:00 - [108] Edited by: Malcoria on 05/04/2005 13:49:49 I have little love for the slavers. I would see them burn and die to free those still imprisoned in their clutches. Slavers are the worst people in the galaxy. Yet I also find that while I dislike them personally the CVA is of good character and reputation. The actions of one person are unfortunate but I do not find they damage at all the reputation of the CVA. Instead I find the real disappointment is in those who continue to argue about something that has apparently been handled. I'm speaking to Star Fraction here. Show your anger of slavery on the battlefield not in the forums. Your actions here are reprehensible and disgraceful. I have fought slavers a long time and I cant recall such a display. Malcoria Call of Freedom
Jasmine Constantine	Posted - 2005.04.05 13:57:00 - [109] Originally by: Malcoria Edited by: Malcoria on 05/04/2005 13:49:49 I have little love for the slavers. I would see them burn and die to free those still imprisoned in their clutches. Slavers are the worst people in the galaxy. Yet I also find that while I dislike them personally the CVA is of good character and reputation. The actions of one person are unfortunate but I do not find they damage at all the reputation of the CVA. Instead I find the real disappointment is in those who continue to argue about something that has apparently been handled. I'm speaking to Star Fraction here. Show your anger of slavery on the battlefield not in the forums. Your actions here are reprehensible and disgraceful. I have fought slavers a long time and I cant recall such a display. Malcoria Call of Freedom Are you a propaganda construct for the CVA Malcoria? I can't imagine somebody just saying what you just said without having a pretty imposed agenda of divide and rule. How can you describe the situation as "handled?" are you blind? And seeing as how the Star Fraction are in a shooting war with the CVA and have lost many brave fighters these past weeks shouldn't you be minding your own business? Star Fraction
Shira d'Radonis	Posted - 2005.04.05 14:04:00 - [110] I have to say, I agree with Malcoria... this situation does not affect my feeling towards CVA. I had no like for them before this, and that has not changed. I simply don't think Myadra's actions constitute a concerted effort on the part of PIE and others... and until there is evidence to prove the contrary, I will continue to hold that view. ----------------------------------------------- ôàquod ad ius naturale attinet, omnes homines aequales suntö
Hardin	Posted - 2005.04.05 14:34:00 - [111] Thank you Shira. Though we disagree on most matters you have reached the right conclusion on this one.
The Cosmopolite	Posted - 2005.04.05 14:47:00 - [112] I would offer to put PIE pilots in touch with a number of heretics and renegade transhumanists I am in contact with but I fancy the offer would be rejected. Perhaps PIE, in expecting The Star Fraction to accept that there are wheels within wheels and hidden complexities, might start to accept that SF has a complex and diverse membership with equally complex and diverse views on almost everything. As you never cease to remind us, we are anarchists, libertarians and, indeed, libertines. Our one point of unity is our shared freespace ideology which is rather more complex and nuanced than PIE and allies give us credit for. Personally, as someone who has worked with the Blood Raiders in the past, I find the affair amusing and believe it only gives further credence to my personal view that CVA are basically, perhaps unconsciously I might grant, a renegade paramilitary outfit that stands as a symptom of the increasing instability of the Empire. More broadly, I simply couldn't care less about the standings of CVA pilots. The ideology of the organisation and its attempt to setup a protectorate in Providence is what I oppose. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction - Executor CEO: Jade Constantine
Shira d'Radonis	Posted - 2005.04.05 14:59:00 - [113] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Perhaps PIE, in expecting The Star Fraction to accept that there are wheels within wheels and hidden complexities, might start to accept that SF has a complex and diverse membership with equally complex and diverse views on almost everything. As you never cease to remind us, we are anarchists, libertarians and, indeed, libertines. Our one point of unity is our shared freespace ideology which is rather more complex and nuanced than PIE and allies give us credit for. You might as well say that you share nothing because some of your elements are working against your "shared ideology". You can't have free space if you support slavery as elements in SF do. As I said, tolerance of intolerance doesn't work. Or is it merely that you think that only pod pilots are entitled to freedom? In that case, I'd say that's a pretty shabby world-view. Quote: Personally, as someone who has worked with the Blood Raiders in the past, I find the affair amusing and believe it only gives further credence to my personal view that CVA are basically, perhaps unconsciously I might grant, a renegade paramilitary outfit that stands as a symptom of the increasing instability of the Empire. Now that I agree with. Quote: More broadly, I simply couldn't care less about the standings of CVA pilots. The ideology of the organisation and its attempt to setup a protectorate in Providence is what I oppose. Which is exactly why I said that the supposed issue of the Mamet 500 was a transparent disengenuous pretext for war. ----------------------------------------------- ôàquod ad ius naturale attinet, omnes homines aequales suntö
Majaraw Awalabas	Posted - 2005.04.05 15:04:00 - [114] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine I'm sorry I just don't believe that. Having worked for many agents in my time I don't believe it is possible to get an approval rating that high by refusing the amount of missions neccessary to avoid all Amarr targets. Your weaknesses are your own, projecting them on others, and your superiors at that, is highly illogical and disrespectful.
Shira d'Radonis	Posted - 2005.04.05 15:17:00 - [115] Originally by: Majaraw Awalabas Originally by: Jasmine Constantine I'm sorry I just don't believe that. Having worked for many agents in my time I don't believe it is possible to get an approval rating that high by refusing the amount of missions neccessary to avoid all Amarr targets. Your weaknesses are your own, projecting them on others, and your superiors at that, is highly illogical and disrespectful. She does have a point... I really think it's a mistake for PIE to be surrounding their ships around Myadra. They ought to be sending her packing. The more you try to insist no wrong-doing on her part, the more you become complicit in it. I already said that I do not believe there has been a concerted effort on the part of CVA to work with the Blood Raiders, but I do think it would be a mistake to deny that someone in your midst has not been working in the best interests of the Empire. She is a serpent... toss her out. ----------------------------------------------- ôàquod ad ius naturale attinet, omnes homines aequales suntö
The Cosmopolite	Posted - 2005.04.05 15:38:00 - [116] Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 05/04/2005 16:01:12 Originally by: Shira d'Radonis [re SF freespace ideology] You might as well say that you share nothing because some of your elements are working against your "shared ideology". You can't have free space if you support slavery as elements in SF do. As I said, tolerance of intolerance doesn't work. Or is it merely that you think that only pod pilots are entitled to freedom? In that case, I'd say that's a pretty shabby world-view. Speaking personally, Shira, I am an abolitionist. I am also against wage-slavery, hierarchical political systems and the dead hand of CONCORD intefering in capsuleer affairs. I have to recognise that not everything I would wish to be achieved can be achieved overnight. SF as an organisation has no policy on slavery. Our freespace ideology does not depend on a semantic use of the component word 'free'. It is aimed at maximum freedom of action for capsuleers and the advancement, over time, of all beings to the point where such grotesqueries as outright slavery, wage-slavery, oppressive hierarchies and supra-national militaries are unnecessary. Quote: [re anti-CVA for freespace ideology reasons] Which is exactly why I said that the supposed issue of the Mamet 500 was a transparent disengenuous pretext for war. In all honesty, and I have openly said this on GalNet for some time now if you care to check, I agree with you. The freedom of the Mamet 500 is desirable in and of itself. However, I am far more concerned about the expanisionism of CVA and I believe I can say that the majority of SF members share that view even while some obviously feel strongly about slavery also. The Cosmopolite PS. If you wish to further discuss these matters, I suggest a new GalNet thread be setup as I feel I have intruded on the private (and not-so-private) grief of the Amarr paramilitary community quite sufficiently in this thread. The Star Fraction - Executor CEO: Jade Constantine
Kurenin	Posted - 2005.04.05 20:36:00 - [117] I find it very interesting to find UQS harping on about this still, in light of the conversations I have had with directors on the subject. ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Kurenin	Posted - 2005.04.05 20:40:00 - [118] Originally by: Hardin Oh be quiet Star Fraction Do you have to litter every discussion with your clearly biased opinions. Neither PIE, or anyone with any sense takes anything you say seriously when it is clear that your only agenda is to stir the pot. Please if you have an opinion come and express it to us in space. As much as we despise the Minmatar terrorists they at least try and back their words with action... I agree completely, all I have seen Star Fraction do in regards to the dealings of CVA is stir things up, poke their nose in where it's not needed and, of course, post in full ignorance of the position. ----- [22:02] <Kurenin> anyhow, on a more serious note, what did you think of those ideas? [22:02] <Hammerhead> we can't do anything that requires programming Inactivity wins you.
Slipaz	Posted - 2005.04.05 20:42:00 - [119] Edited by: Slipaz on 05/04/2005 20:43:52 What a stupid affair.
Tinuviel	Posted - 2005.04.05 21:31:00 - [120] Edited by: Tinuviel on 05/04/2005 21:30:45 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine So one of your corporation pilots hasn't been littering space with the wrecked hulks of Amarri national warships and freighters and murdering tens of thousands of your countrymen then Hardin? Since you have never done any blood raider missions, and that your alliance has no loyalty to anyone, I find your opinion to be biased, unwarrented, and supremely ignorant. Secondly, the ammount of missions involving amarr navy is lower than you think, there are more missions issued where you must kill factions or groups that are hostile to the empire, than missions where amarr navy is the target, in fact refusing the missions with amarr targets should be possible without losing standing at all, as most agents won't go ballistic if you refuse a mission now and then.

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