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Certo Morte
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.19 10:42:00 -
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The problem with a corp history wipe is you'd have to also do something like delete all previous loss-mails, because those have the history.
I'm fully supportive of it, as long as there IS a way to access the characters previous name and history. |
Kral Erdogan
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.01.19 14:42:00 -
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The only way this could work is if, in addition to a "Previously known as..." tab, characters are given (and sorry if this has been mentioned):
A Unique Number I.D.: This I.D. would be next to a character's name and would be randomly generated. This number would NEVER change and would be a valid tool for character search. This way, you can add someone's I.D. so that, even if they change their name, you'll always know who they are.
As for employment history, no. Stand by who you joined and if you did it as a joke that's your own fault. |
Altered Ego
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
5
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Posted - 2013.01.22 06:00:00 -
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Bump ... I still want a new name. |
Goran Konjich
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2013.01.22 06:46:00 -
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Altered Ego wrote:Bump ... I still want a new name.
Your name is great .... but back ontopic > c'mon CCP give us this ASAP.
Price 2xPLEX (possible only every 4 years) (i went up from 1xPLEX and 3 years ) Sh1va Furnace is recruiting. Small gang PVP in wormholes and lowsec. |
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
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Posted - 2013.01.22 08:08:00 -
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I think the concept of buying and selling characters is complete BS, it should be outlawed. It irks me to know people are buying their way into the game. Name changes and employment history wipes are also a negative thing simply because what you do in the game is who you are.. forever and I like that. If your a D-bag scammer, that reputation should haunt you forever with that character.
There are too many "free passes" already in this game. The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub.-á |
rofflesausage
State War Academy Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2013.01.22 10:27:00 -
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Kryss Darkdust wrote:I think the concept of buying and selling characters is complete BS, it should be outlawed. It irks me to know people are buying their way into the game.
Thing is, it's going to happen even if it wasn't CCP sanctioned. So it makes more sense to have the system in place so people can do it legitimately and CCP can take a cut. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
120
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Posted - 2013.01.22 10:33:00 -
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No No No No Nooooooooooooooo fuckin Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !
if you want a new name create a new char, if you want to buy a char then off you go and do so, but to introduce it into the game as a feature, last time ladies, get real, you are who you make yourself, this is EVE !
i bet you same fucks whine about not getting enough isk,pvp,pve,mining,exploration, wh and so on, but never undock.
away and find something contructive to do instead of feeding this stupid idea. |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.22 10:36:00 -
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Also, this is another way for CCP to generate income. So in the end for those players who decide to change there name, they are benefiting future eve development.
Personally I like the idea of charging a cost of 3 or 4 PLEX for a full name and corp history removal, also I think the character should suffer a 10% SP penalty due to the mental scarring effects of a complete identification change. That would obviously discourage highly skilled players but be not too much of a barrier to younger players.
Personally I think changing your identity like this is just the same as using alts and buying new characters so I don't see the issue, I think those who have an issue then it is possibly a knee jerk reaction to change. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians Tribal Band
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Posted - 2013.01.22 10:41:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:*stuff* Oh, I see your point completely. It's hard to distinguish where the line would be, and on a personal level I wouldn't support being able to erase or modify a character's corporation history at all. Your history of employment in EVE should always be your character's legacy, and you should on that basis pick and choose whom you work for carefully. There's some good points being brought forward in this thread Perhaps put the full name change history into the API of the toon. Pretty much every every corp worth noticing requires some form of API for applications, and even corps that require a very limited API could easily include this.
And while it could be gamed by people 'selling' toons to their own alts, changing the name afterwards and applying to corps as a 'new' player, the recruitment officers could still see this through the API and decide not to believe the players story. "The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers." -á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012
Umad forum warriors? |
W3370Pi4
Comel Technology
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Posted - 2013.01.22 10:45:00 -
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The eve online motto is your actions have consequences now you deal with the consequences of your actions. ________________________________________ GåÆGÿà Join the "Legit Trading" Channel - http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Legit_Trading GåÉGÿà |
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Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.01.22 10:54:00 -
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W3370Pi4 wrote:The eve online motto is your actions have consequences now you deal with the consequences of your actions.
Or you can create an alt or buy a new character from the character bazaar. |
W3370Pi4
Comel Technology
100
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Posted - 2013.01.22 11:09:00 -
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Yes but it requires more effort than if CCP had it setup as a service ________________________________________ GåÆGÿà Join the "Legit Trading" Channel - http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Legit_Trading GåÉGÿà |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
122
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Posted - 2013.01.22 11:11:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:W3370Pi4 wrote:The eve online motto is your actions have consequences now you deal with the consequences of your actions. Or you can create an alt or buy a new character from the character bazaar.
create a new one,, nobody gives a ****,, buy a char from the bazaar,, guess what, that char has a corp history which can be traced leading upto the char being sold on the bazaar, name change,, NO, corp history removal, NO.
now away and undock and actualy play the game.
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Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
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Posted - 2013.01.22 11:27:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:W3370Pi4 wrote:The eve online motto is your actions have consequences now you deal with the consequences of your actions. Or you can create an alt or buy a new character from the character bazaar.
Bingo.. Its hypocracy with work arounds. I love Eve and I live with its flaws, but it does have them and among the top beefs I have is this sort of hypocracy we get with various mechanics and workarounds. Throw away alts, buying your way into characters, the whole PLEX system that puts people with money into Titans... All of it is just a big workaround actually playing the game and earning what you have.
I do agree with rofflesausage in that, this whole character purchasing thing WILL happen, it will either be done under the radar or legitimatily but no one in the gaming industry has ever managed to control it, so I think if we are going to have it, it should be made legitimate.. But for gods sake don't make it a third party business. It can be discourage even if sanctioned and one of the ways its discouraged is that you don't know the reputation of the character your buying nore can you control his name, which has the exact effect we want.. makes people think twice about doing it. The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub.-á |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.01.22 12:17:00 -
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I don't see the problem in essence in paying to have an identity change. This is a science fictional universe set in the far future, so are you telling me the possibility to cover your identity would not exist?
Yes it should have costs, and those costs should be heavy, particuarly in the case of older more skilled players wanting to do this. But we already having all kinds of spying, theft, subterfuge, the creation of spy alts and buying blank characters from the bazaar. This is simply another method to allow players more freedom as would be the case in a real eve universe. |
Nightshade Mary
Sarz'na Khumatari The Unthinkables
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Posted - 2013.01.22 15:46:00 -
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I'd be all for it if the option to wipe both corp history and change the character name was available only upon sale of the character. The corp history could show an entry that shows "Records sealed by Concord" or something like that.
But only if something like what follows is implemented as well.
Background check agents. They work just like the locator agents that we currently have except they dig up the previous name(s) and corp history. The older the character is, the more expensive it gets to get the information.
Everybody happy, they buyer gets the name he or she likes plus a semi-clean slate and the prospecitive corp leader can do a background check, provided he spends the ISK on it. |
Zangorus
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.22 16:36:00 -
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Nightshade Mary wrote:I'd be all for it if the option to wipe both corp history and change the character name was available only upon sale of the character. The corp history could show an entry that shows "Records sealed by Concord" or something like that.
But only if something like what follows is implemented as well.
Background check agents. They work just like the locator agents that we currently have except they dig up the previous name(s) and corp history. The older the character is, the more expensive it gets to get the information.
Everybody happy, they buyer gets the name he or she likes plus a semi-clean slate and the prospecitive corp leader can do a background check, provided he spends the ISK on it. You said what I was thinking but better :) thumps up yo Like my comment and recieve 1 million isk ingame! |
Bolsak
V.E.I. -Entropy-
0
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Posted - 2013.01.22 16:42:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
If CCP offers the ability to sell pilots to new people, then the new person should also have some function of wiping the slate clean from the original ownerGÇÖs transgressions. I fully support name change and corp history wipe. Maybe add something to the corp history that specifies the pilot changing hands.
And no, I never sold or purchased a toon.
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The F Word
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.01.22 17:55:00 -
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Simple solution, when you biomass a character their SP become free SP for any other characters on the account.
Have it cost some trivial amount, and train characters 3x as fast.
There's really no point in not having this at this point. Or better yet, just sell SP packs in the NeX, 4500AUR per 10m SP. New Eden has become a complacent comfortable place, bring back the paranoia, the big events, the stuff it was built on.
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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
783
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Posted - 2013.01.22 18:01:00 -
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Just pointing out that the last two posters in this thread were named:
Bolsack and The F word.
Name Changes are needed! (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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Bolsak
V.E.I. -Entropy-
0
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Posted - 2013.01.22 18:40:00 -
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Tom Gerard wrote:Just pointing out that the last two posters in this thread were named:
Bolsack and The F word.
Name Changes are needed!
My toons name is actually Bolsak (Bulsak), I'm not sure what you're trying to imply, but it means mattress in Indonesian. |
Nex Killer
Steel Nexus
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Posted - 2013.01.22 18:56:00 -
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I would like to see paid name changes. It would be a good income for CCP plus I bet it would make a lot of the player base happy. Now I know some people don't want this to happen because what if John Doe stole 100B ISK from his last corporation changes his name and joins a new corporation to just do it again because no one knows who he is. Now no one wants something like this to happen but I think CCP could do something to see the past records of the player.
Now I've played a lot of other MMOs in my time and I've seen many ways other companies handle name changes. They could do something that Aion does when it comes to a name change. When someone changes their name in Aion there is no way of seeing what their last name was in game but if you go onto the website to the Shadow Court Archives you can look up their name and it tells you their previous name. Here is what they say about it:
Quote: How will my friends know that I've changed my character name? Each character name change is tracked and displayed in the Shadow Court Archives and updated on your friends' lists. In this way, everyone is able to see the change in game and out of game.
Or CCP could do what Jagex does with Runescape. When a player changes their name if you hover a players name in your friends list it tells you their previous name. Now that only works for a month then you can't hover over the names to get the previous name.
Quote: Changing your character name is one of the many ways you can customise your account and make it stand out from the crowd.
You can change your character name every 28 days; we recommend that you take a look at our guidelines on inappropriate language before you make any changes.
Now if I was CCP I would do one of two things. I would make a new tab in the player info that shows all previous names or I would make a new money sink. If you want a players past info you would have to paid for the info. All name changes would be on a month cooldown and cost about 2 plex or $20.
Now for corporation history removal that is a totally different subject. I would say make it like name changes have a new tab in player info that shows it or make players have to pay for that info. But I really don't know about that and what the cost for it should be. I would say make it cost a lot something like $70 - $100.
TL:DR version: Just read it...
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Kenneth O'Hara
11153
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Posted - 2013.01.22 18:58:00 -
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I still say we should have a skill set for "Forgery" to create and detect character's previous name and history. If you didn't invest time into the skills, you deserved to get robbed. If you didn't invest time into the skills, you deserved to get caught. Plain and simple. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
D'go Jahn
EVE University Ivy League
8
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Posted - 2013.02.11 22:19:00 -
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This thread has seen a half-dozen quality methods of reducing or eliminating the downsides of name changing.
Corporation history and other things aside. Name changing would be simple and quick to implement and you could do it in a way that would prohibit abuse. After reviewing this thread, there's no intelligent reason not to have this option.
Also, to all the condescendingly paternal tough-guy asshats. Thank you for telling us to live with our consequences. Your saged fatherly advice has changed our hearts and caused us to reassess how we choose to live as fictional videogame characters. Your input on this forum and in this thread is anything but a total joke and you should continue posting your opinions for our betterment. |
Reiisha
Evolution The Retirement Club
227
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Posted - 2013.02.11 22:24:00 -
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ISD Praetoxx wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already It seems to be a topic that comes up again and again. IF it does get implemented, a history of past names/corps should be a given. And only a unique never before used name would be permitted as a replacement. Afterall, when you guys purchase a new character, you want to make your own history, not inherit it! Alternatively you could always wait for the 'Power of 2' offer when it comes around again.
To be honest, if you want to make your own history, make a new character. If you buy a character you should be ready to deal with the possible consequences, that includes dealing with any history.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all... |
Benilopax
Solar Storm Insidious Empire
397
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Posted - 2013.02.11 23:54:00 -
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I have always assumed that these names we have are not so much names as aliases or call signs. If you change your name you should have all other aliases or call signs listed on show info. ... |
Benilopax
Solar Storm Insidious Empire
397
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Posted - 2013.02.11 23:58:00 -
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Is it time to take this to the assembly hall? ... |
Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
70
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Posted - 2013.02.12 00:09:00 -
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Reiisha wrote:To be honest, if you want to make your own history, make a new character. If you buy a character you should be ready to deal with the possible consequences, that includes dealing with any history.
In a way, but at the same time it could almost turn the character bazaar into a sort of roundabout scam. I mean, part of it is supposed to be complete disclosure, right? So in a way, scammer could use their scam alts as training ones, scam, cheat, steal from people until everyone is out to get them and then sell it when they're ready before starting anew. So while someone will buy the character, maybe they can't do what they intend with it because of the reputation being too trashy and they happened to miss the memo. So instead of knowing what they're getting into as intended with the bazaar, they have no idea. Perhaps not against the rules of the character bazaar, but seems to be against the spirit of the rules. |
Kathern Aurilen
14
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Posted - 2013.02.12 00:53:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:TriadSte wrote:we didn't know it was set in stone when we joined this game. O.o really? pretty much every time you pick a name for anything, it's permanent. it's kinda the point of having names. my XBOX LIVE name isn't permanentt... 800 Microsoft points(10$) boom new name I am a chat alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew -á:(
I named my mining frig adVenture time!! |
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Drop Forged Trifectas Syndicate
219
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:08:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
Playing devil's advocate for a moment, many scammers in real life shed identities like snake shed their skin, and oftentimes, those shady players are selling their toons on the Character Bazaar anyways. So if someone creates a new toon every few months and goes out and scams the pants off of someone, then sells the toon after making a new one to repeat the cycle, the toon itself is not responsible for the scamming/corp theiving/etc. It's the person behind the character that counts, and until you find a way to link real identities to toons, there is no point (sometimes) to have a link to past identities because it might not even be the same player anymore. A character could go from an evil bastard to a full-on saint, and the only one who gets punished is the saint for the actions of the bastard.
Like I said, devil's advocate. Life is full of little victories...for example, not soiling myself when I break wind.-á Learn to appreciate them for what they truly are. |
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