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Altered Ego
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.11.21 15:21:00 -
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I very much want a name change. And I'll pay CCP cash for it, grind my sec status and jump through what ever hoops I have to.
But under no circumstances should a characters history (employment, past names) be erased. Also, the original name should stay unavailable and when viewed in People & Places it will say '2012 11 11: Altered Ego changed his name to His Cooler Name'.
Of course all this can be uncovered by searching a characters employment history, but there should also be a function in the API the directly says 'this guy used to be called Altered Ego'. Pains should be taken to make it very easy for anyone to track down anyone else's history.
As an aside, when some one changes corp, there should a selection of reasons that can be selected by whoever is making the change ranging from 'blank', 'got a better offer', 'booted for inactivity' to 'this jerk is a thief, don't trust him.
I'm happy to sleep in the bed I've made... I just want new sheets. |
Verfanny
Seamap Solutions
2
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Posted - 2012.11.21 15:32:00 -
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Like I said in the last name change topic, I would actually pay for it. I like my name as it is an actual name here, but I later discovered, through some kid in WoW threatening to have me banned, that ***** meant something else in English. My goal was not to offend anyone or try to have a clever and childish name. But I received no such threats in EVE, because, I assume, the average player is more mature. |
Demolishar
United Aggression
442
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Posted - 2012.11.21 15:42:00 -
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Verfanny wrote:Like I said in the last name change topic, I would actually pay for it. I like my name as it is an actual name here, but I later discovered, through some kid in WoW threatening to have me banned, that ***** meant something else in English. My goal was not to offend anyone or try to have a clever and childish name. But I received no such threats in EVE, because, I assume, the average player is more mature.
Your name is offensive, reported. |
TheBlueMonkey
Don't Be a Menace
186
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Posted - 2012.11.21 15:45:00 -
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Tom Gerard wrote:The problem:
Everytime I look for a character on the Bazaar he turns out to be a corp thief or otherwise unwelcome.
Solution:
Offer paid name changes that include a full history wipe.
$100 per character, would reduce abuse of the mechanic, maybe even only allow it on transferred characters.
The Bazaar is not nearly as awesome as it could be, make it that awesome!
What are you, drunk? |
Christy D Floyd
Astra Research
100
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Posted - 2012.11.21 16:08:00 -
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ISD Praetoxx wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already  It seems to be a topic that comes up again and again. IF it does get implemented, a history of past names/corps should be a given. And only a unique never before used name would be permitted as a replacement. Afterall, when you guys purchase a new character, you want to make your own history, not inherit it! Alternatively you could always wait for the 'Power of 2' offer when it comes around again.
Way to plug the power of 2.
Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |
Realityfirst
Cobra Kai Dojo
WHY so Seri0Us
4
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Posted - 2012.11.21 16:10:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Dave stark wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already while i'd love to be able to change the name of a purchased character as some way to signify it has a new owner, at the same time it'd be too easy for people to abuse it. the cost and hassle of a character transfer is nothing in comparison to effectively erasing an entire character's history, even if you can see past aliases since very few people would really bother to check. i think it has more drawbacks than benefits, personally. edit: where would it stop? if you can change your name, why not your corp history, etc. Oh, I see your point completely. It's hard to distinguish where the line would be, and on a personal level I wouldn't support being able to erase or modify a character's corporation history at all. Your history of employment in EVE should always be your character's legacy, and you should on that basis pick and choose whom you work for carefully. There's some good points being brought forward in this thread 
How about A condenced corp history listing ie: you've joined and left the same corp a few times (faction warfare). Your corp history would have something like a drop-down tab for each corp, listing the dates joined and left. Rather then a long list.
my 2 cents |
Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars
Fade 2 Black
5383
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Posted - 2012.11.21 16:26:00 -
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Verfanny wrote:Like I said in the last name change topic, I would actually pay for it. I like my name as it is an actual name here, but I later discovered, through some kid in WoW threatening to have me banned, that ***** meant something else in English. My goal was not to offend anyone or try to have a clever and childish name. But I received no such threats in EVE, because, I assume, the average player is more mature.
Ok now i'm curious as I use to play WoW and I got a way with a lot of horrible names there. What letter does it begin with? Or better yet, just send it EVE mail if your worried.
Sorry, if this is off topic but she makes a valid point. How then does CCP determine which names are offensive when some offensive words mean something totally different in other countries and regions? And let's say that one does slip through the crack, does CCP contact you and make you change your name? If it is offesive but is still usable, when does CCP contact you to change the name? Are you only contacted if it's reported?
Let's say someone does create an offensive name and it gets through but later the player realizes their mistake and wants to take initiative to change it before it's reported. Would they have to pay for a character name change or could they just file a petition?
Best thread ever!!!
Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke |
It'sNotMyFaultYourMother ThrewYouAway
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.11.21 16:34:00 -
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I've bought multiple characters (with very limited history) and I've always wanted to change their Russian-like names to something more sane. I me4n, 1 m1gh7 hav3 wr1tten la1k d1s 10 years ago but I've grown up now. My oldest real characters have names a 12 year old came up with. |
Borascus
Red Core
Paradigm Shift Alliance
108
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Posted - 2012.11.21 16:39:00 -
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Does that mean you'll sacrifice all the historically important posts you've made?
Perhaps return to the marketplace having accomplished your ingame goals?
Wouldn't a name change alter the entries on the forums? |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy
Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2012.11.21 16:45:00 -
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Borascus wrote:Does that mean you'll sacrifice all the historically important posts you've made?
Perhaps return to the marketplace having accomplished your ingame goals?
Wouldn't a name change alter the entries on the forums?
Any database driven piece of software (like these forums) should be keyed off a unique ID, not a string of text (like a name). If I sell a toon, that unique ID identifies that toon across the EveO infrastructure; a easily modifiable piece of text should never be used for anything of any importance whatsoever. |
Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars
Fade 2 Black
5385
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Posted - 2012.11.21 16:45:00 -
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Borascus wrote:Does that mean you'll sacrifice all the historically important posts you've made?
Perhaps return to the marketplace having accomplished your ingame goals?
Wouldn't a name change alter the entries on the forums?
It would be about the same as an avater picture change.
Best thread ever!!!
Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke |
Kapt Krunch
Eclipse Navy
Get Off My Lawn
7
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Posted - 2012.11.21 17:42:00 -
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I am the third owner of one of my characters. He has the most skill points of all and is my most important character.
It has come to my attention that the original owner is a bit of a scumbag in real life and I am a bit ashamed that I am associated to him thru this character. I would pay cash money to be able to change that name. I would even pay just to change one letter in that name. |
Ginger Achura
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:01:00 -
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I haven't read the entire thread, but a change of name - and name change only I'm for. Some names are just bullcrap, and if you have bought a character off the bazaar you should be able to rename your newly acquired character. But I'm 100% against alteration of your character. It should be the same character; corporation history, security status and all that. Just like in real life: you're allowed to change your name, but you can't change your history - you're still the same person.
"For hundreds of years my community has enjoyed cheddar cheese and pineapple on a stick"
- William Ulsterman |
Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars
Fade 2 Black
5397
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:16:00 -
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Ginger Achura wrote:I haven't read the entire thread, but a change of name - and name change only I'm for. Some names are just bullcrap, and if you have bought a character off the bazaar you should be able to rename your newly acquired character. But I'm 100% against alteration of your character. It should be the same character; corporation history, security status and all that. Just like in real life: you're allowed to change your name, but you can't change your history - you're still the same person.
http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2008/09/securitymatters_0904
It is actually really easy to wipe your history and assume a completely different identity in real life. You just have to have connections. This is technically illegal if caught in the real world. But in EVE, it should be perfectly legit. A history wipe should be a separate option though with a note in employment history that states "previous employment records seem to be missing" or something obscure to give the readers a hint of the wipe so they can inquire about it. It all depends on the persons ability to lie about his/her employment history effectively to be able to pull off espionage and such.
Best thread ever!!!
Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke |
Cyalume
Sons Of 0din
Dark Therapy
4
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:20:00 -
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If you bought a character on the forums, you knew the name before you put the ISK down. Moaning about it afterward is a lame excuse.
Against the name change idea.
If Eve is a sandbox that boasts how one person can shape the destiny of others, being able to change that name is to erase that destiny. Ultimately losing an aspect of Eve that has made it and continues to make it unique.
The only thing I'd like to see added to the corp history is perhaps a bullet point or marker that somehow shows the character was moved from one account to another. Making it easier to tell if the character was perhaps sold. |
Squealing Piglet
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.11.25 22:29:00 -
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And then there are people like me...look at my name, look at it...Squealing Piglet--god I hate my name so much. But the stats were exactly what I wanted on the character bazaar, so I bought her despite the unflattering name.
Princess Grizelda Gondardrakken; now that's regal, lol. But no...I'm a screaming pig, or a squealing piglet, or whatever. I really like the idea of being able to change your name, but having a button or scroll-over that will allow players to see your name history (otherwise it would be abused by scammers and corp thieves).
CCP, I will pay you good money to let me change my name. |
Julius Priscus
13
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Posted - 2012.11.26 01:39:00 -
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why not pay 6 plex's and have all the chars skill points moved to another char of your choosing?  |
Zoctrine
Perkone
Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.11.26 02:52:00 -
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Yes to Name Change, keeping all history and old names records, really don't see why not... |
Vince Snetterton
212
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Posted - 2012.11.26 06:22:00 -
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Why is this being discussed at all?
All the propagandists tell us incessantly that Eve is a harsh place, and if you can't tough it out, go back to WoW.
So how about two words: "Caveat Emptor".
You want to buy a char, you do your research on it.
You buy it and it has a terrible rep, well, sucks to be you.
Do better research next time.
If people cab scam billions from others in corp thefts, or blow up freighters in high sec and laugh about it in local, then why should people not be able to be scammed by buying a char with an tainted history?
Test settings. |
Tom Gerard
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
646
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Posted - 2012.11.26 08:15:00 -
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Vince Snetterton wrote:Why is this being discussed at all?
All the propagandists tell us incessantly that Eve is a harsh place, and if you can't tough it out, go back to WoW.
So how about two words: "Caveat Emptor".
You want to buy a char, you do your research on it.
You buy it and it has a terrible rep, well, sucks to be you.
Do better research next time.
If people cab scam billions from others in corp thefts, or blow up freighters in high sec and laugh about it in local, then why should people not be able to be scammed by buying a char with an tainted history?
I agree we should remove all protections from EVE, you have no idea how much fun it would be CONCORD to be vulnerable to pod pilots, change nothing but make it legal to scam CONCORD.
But in reality CONCORD provides a measure of control and civility to the game that makes it fun for other people... CONCORD could feasibly extend this "Deus Ex Machina" power across the Character Bazaar so EVE becomes more of a game and less of a endless research project.
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Ugolovnik
0
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Posted - 2012.11.26 09:01:00 -
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Julius Priscus wrote:why not pay 6 plex's and have all the chars skill points moved to another char of your choosing?
Bad idea. People will buy the characters, empty and discard.
In this case it will be "skills = money" rather than "skills = Time" |
Quack Mallard
Zebra Corp
Gentlemen's Agreement
7
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Posted - 2012.11.26 09:04:00 -
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Maybe changing the name and/or deleting the players history etc is a step too far. Maybe adding some kind of character ownership change to the corp history could work.
For example i'm in a corp, I sell my character on the bazaar to someone else. The new owner fills out some kind of new ownership form which is sent to CCP, most likely an automated service. As soon as it is cleared the character leaves the corp automatically and joins an NPC corp which would be displayed in the corp history of that character.
That corp move could be highlighted in a different colour and there could be a link to some kind of transaction history, maybe showing how much it was sold for, or just a link to the OP on the bazaar.
Ofcourse this could be abused, and used to make it look like someone new has bought the account, when infact it's just been traded to an alt. But personally I think that a name change or history delete would probably be abused on a larger scale.
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Gillia Winddancer
Shiny Noble Crown Services
126
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Posted - 2012.11.26 09:32:00 -
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"Consequences" not being an appreciated term these days by some huh?
Name-changing aside (only valid reason to change a name would be if you really picked a silly name in the first place and now regret it).
As for everything else, I find it rather amusing that EVE, being a game where consequences are one of it's corner stones, now have players that seemingly want to break said stone. I wonder what that says about those said players in the first place.
I for one would never touch any kind of "history wipe" feature if one was ever implemented. Whether I ever make a mistake in a game or not doesn't matter, that history is mine regardless and is a part that defines my character. Not that I have much that fills out, but that is still my history. I've stuck to a couple of corps during these 3 or so years (minus the time I was inactive). If I've been to 100+ corps during this time for whatever reason then that would end up being my history.
And on a side-note, I think that the character bazaar always has been a huge mistake. A bit like an entry point for the kind of players that perhaps should have picked a different game instead of EVE.
But that's my own personal opinion as I am one who will not ever sell my character for any reason regardless of how far it will end up going.
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Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
237
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Posted - 2012.11.26 09:47:00 -
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The word consequence is a tricky one though. In EVE you are really only held to your own standard and post 23 is me as well, on a different account. Having already said that, I look at Ioci and the Skill card and I chuckle at some of them. I still wouldn't auction her. Those "mistakes" are her more than anything else.
I can see people objecting to this. It's immersion breaking but there is so much min/maxing and I-Win, immersion is almost a liability. Name change to sell a char is code for selling SP because the char means nothing.
R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Ian Isk
Sounds Legit
11
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Posted - 2012.11.26 09:53:00 -
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Paid name change should be implemented in this manner:
-You pay a plex or two to change your name.
-Both the old name and the new name links to your character, but only the new one is displayed in the name field.
-A list of previous names is visible in the character sheet.
Corp history should remain the same. There should be no way of escaping your previous choices. If you bought a character that was involved in scams, you did not do your research. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
982
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Posted - 2012.11.26 11:08:00 -
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Ian Isk wrote:Paid name change should be implemented in this manner:
-You pay a plex or two to change your name.
-Both the old name and the new name links to your character, but only the new one is displayed in the name field.
-A list of previous names is visible in the character sheet.
Corp history should remain the same. There should be no way of escaping your previous choices. If you bought a character that was involved in scams, you did not do your research.
+1. This is acceptable.
Sounds Legit 
Personnel Division Director --áBene Gesserit Chapterhouse
"The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another." - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Drekarg
Enslave.
7
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Posted - 2012.11.26 11:30:00 -
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Ian Isk wrote:Paid name change should be implemented in this manner:
-You pay a plex or two to change your name.
-Both the old name and the new name links to your character, but only the new one is displayed in the name field.
-A list of previous names is visible in the character sheet.
Corp history should remain the same. There should be no way of escaping your previous choices. If you bought a character that was involved in scams, you did not do your research.
This, new name with the old name and legacy linked to it.
Deleting corp history is not in the faith of the game, you are what you are and where you've been.
Plenty of fish in the sea/plenty of pods in space choose your chars carefully when browsing the bazaar |
Camper101
eHarmony Inc.
Brushie Brushie Brushie
1
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Posted - 2012.11.26 11:48:00 -
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Changing names should not be. Not in a decision heavy game like EvE.
If you buy a char, live with his past or get another one. Or just make your own alt, skill exactly the way you want, chose its name and ruin his history yourself! Like a sir! |
Siigari Kitawa
Push Industries
Push Interstellar Network
231
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Posted - 2012.11.26 12:20:00 -
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I already have a dislike towards the prominence of alts in Eve. I personally see the Character Bazaar as a strange place where somebody can trade money for a quick fix.
Isn't Eve supposed to be about working your own skills to achieve what you want?
Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it.
Serving highsec, lowsec and nullsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else.
Ingame channel: PUSHX |
Merouk Baas
7
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Posted - 2012.11.26 22:51:00 -
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It's about achieving what you want; the skills are a block, to be honest. Guy wants to be in a carrier right away, more power to him, let him take his carrier out the next day and lose it learning how to fly it properly.
With incursions, plexes, and now the upgraded NPC AI, we're looking at battleship + logi fleets as the "average" gameplay. 0.0 warfare is about caps / supercaps. Yeah you can participate in PVP as a newbie, but it's disheartening when you realize 4 years training time to get to the shiny / fun. On the other hand, because of level caps, the other MMO's let you catch up with the average playerbase in, at most, half a year.
Anyway, digressing a little bit. Allow the name changes so that character transfers are made easier / more enticing for those newbies who want them and are rich enough to afford them. Put a warning in the Character Bazaar that the old name and the corp history will still be attached to the character / viewable. |
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