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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
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Posted - 2012.11.15 08:16:00 -
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The problem:
Everytime I look for a character on the Bazaar he turns out to be a corp thief or otherwise unwelcome.
Solution:
Offer paid name changes that include a full history wipe.
$100 per character, would reduce abuse of the mechanic, maybe even only allow it on transferred characters.
The Bazaar is not nearly as awesome as it could be, make it that awesome! (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
dexington
Push button receive bacon
151
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Posted - 2012.11.15 08:22:00 -
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Having a hard time selling your character? GÇ£The best way to keep something bad from happening is to see it ahead of time, and you can't see it if you refuse to face the possibility.GÇ¥-á |
Charles Case
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
239
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Posted - 2012.11.15 08:30:00 -
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What about $1000 per character? |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
222
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Posted - 2012.11.15 08:35:00 -
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I believe you've forgot to wear your monocle.
P.S. PLEX could be sufficient for each service. |
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
175
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Posted - 2012.11.15 08:42:00 -
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$100 is too much for it, how about a swimming pool? |
Shederov Blood
Wrecketeers
226
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Posted - 2012.11.15 08:46:00 -
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What, this again, how many times do we have to...
Oh...
/supported
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Jack Miton
Aperture Harmonics K162
802
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Posted - 2012.11.15 08:46:00 -
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how about no, scott |
Karn Dulake
Sad Flutes
997
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Posted - 2012.11.15 08:56:00 -
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One night with Hilmar should be the price
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Grog Barrel
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
24
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Posted - 2012.11.15 09:06:00 -
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A world without repercussions? Sounds ****** to be honest. |
Braxus Deninard
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
72
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Posted - 2012.11.15 09:08:00 -
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Posting in yet another ****** Tom Gerard thread. |
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Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
79
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Posted - 2012.11.15 09:28:00 -
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Lipbite wrote:P.S. PLEX could / should be sufficient for name change service. Sure, so every corp thief can just pay with scammed in-game currency to wipe the slate clean
The bazaar isn't supposed to be a recycling bin for scammers. If somone ruined his character's reputation, to the point were it is un-sellable; deal with it. I'm sure the tears harvested while ruining said rep will be of some comfort
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ISD Praetoxx
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
634
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Posted - 2012.11.15 09:32:00 -
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Guys, please try stay on-topic and avoid the trolling.
I know it is hard for some of you ISD Praetoxx Ensign Community Communication Liasons (CCLs) Interstellar Service Department |
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Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
102
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Posted - 2012.11.15 09:37:00 -
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It's an idea, that would need some kind of lore change, the Pilot's Licence is like a birth certificate for capsuleers, if you wanted to pay to have it removed it would be "state interest sir" or "i'm being stalked in-pod your honour", otherwise you'd need a slightly devolved Concord, that's a bit bent, and prone to ignoring mysteries.
But yea, paying with PLEX just yells "and we take 10% of your stealingz" |
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CCP Falcon
777
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Posted - 2012.11.15 09:38:00 -
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I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.
I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.
Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.
I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
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Remiel Pollard
Devlin Security Devlin Alliance
60
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Posted - 2012.11.15 09:41:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
Perhaps it could be a one-off offering specifically FOR character trades then? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
626
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Posted - 2012.11.15 09:42:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
while i'd love to be able to change the name of a purchased character as some way to signify it has a new owner, at the same time it'd be too easy for people to abuse it.
the cost and hassle of a character transfer is nothing in comparison to effectively erasing an entire character's history, even if you can see past aliases since very few people would really bother to check.
i think it has more drawbacks than benefits, personally.
edit: where would it stop? if you can change your name, why not your corp history, etc. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Myxx
629
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Posted - 2012.11.15 09:43:00 -
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Not worth the downsides and ramifications it would have on the game. |
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CCP Falcon
777
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Posted - 2012.11.15 09:46:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already while i'd love to be able to change the name of a purchased character as some way to signify it has a new owner, at the same time it'd be too easy for people to abuse it. the cost and hassle of a character transfer is nothing in comparison to effectively erasing an entire character's history, even if you can see past aliases since very few people would really bother to check. i think it has more drawbacks than benefits, personally. edit: where would it stop? if you can change your name, why not your corp history, etc.
Oh, I see your point completely.
It's hard to distinguish where the line would be, and on a personal level I wouldn't support being able to erase or modify a character's corporation history at all. Your history of employment in EVE should always be your character's legacy, and you should on that basis pick and choose whom you work for carefully.
There's some good points being brought forward in this thread CCP Falcon -á-á||-á-áEVE Community Team -á|| -á-áEVE Illuminati -á || -á-á@CCP_Falcon -á || -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents
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DeBingJos
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
438
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Posted - 2012.11.15 09:47:00 -
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No, reputation is imporant in EVE. If you want an unknow character, start a new one. Ungi ma+¦urinn ++ekkir reglurnar, en gamli ma+¦urinn ++ekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions. |
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ISD Praetoxx
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
636
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Posted - 2012.11.15 09:50:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
It seems to be a topic that comes up again and again. IF it does get implemented, a history of past names/corps should be a given. And only a unique never before used name would be permitted as a replacement.
Afterall, when you guys purchase a new character, you want to make your own history, not inherit it!
Alternatively you could always wait for the 'Power of 2' offer when it comes around again. ISD Praetoxx Ensign Community Communication Liasons (CCLs) Interstellar Service Department |
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Remiel Pollard
Devlin Security Devlin Alliance
60
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Posted - 2012.11.15 09:51:00 -
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ISD Praetoxx wrote:
It seems to be a topic that comes up again and again. IF it does get implemented, a history of past names should be a given. And only a unique never before used name would be permitted as a replacement.
Afterall, when you guys purchase a new character, you want to make your own history, not inherit it!
Alternatively you could always wait for the 'Power of 2' offer when it comes around again.
Perhaps all characters should show a history of trades, as well? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
628
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Posted - 2012.11.15 09:52:00 -
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ISD Praetoxx wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already It seems to be a topic that comes up again and again. IF it does get implemented, a history of past names should be a given. And only a unique never before used name would be permitted as a replacement. Afterall, when you guys purchase a new character, you want to make your own history, not inherit it! Alternatively you could always wait for the 'Power of 2' offer when it comes around again.
the problem with that is you accelerate the situation where the only unused username is "sandy mcballbag".
this is why i hated making alts on WoW, with 10 character slots per account per server people had level 1 characters to reserve names. the hardest part of making a new character was finding a name that wasn't taken and wasn't jibberish. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
339
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Posted - 2012.11.15 09:55:00 -
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6 of one, half a dozen of the other.
I can say that if I could export this characters name and give her a new one, she would be on the Bazaar tomorrow.
The name means something to me but the way she is skilled doesn't really help me in EVE and the days when they might have are gone I think. Capital construction 5, Sovereignty Skill, Fleet command. She is a Null passive gold mine and worth nothing to me aside from the name. |
Jackie Fisher
Syrkos Technologies Joint Venture Conglomerate
138
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Posted - 2012.11.15 09:56:00 -
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Charles Case wrote:What about $1000 per character? $1000 + 25% of current SPs.
Fear God and Thread Nought |
TriadSte
IronPig Sev3rance
127
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Posted - 2012.11.15 10:04:00 -
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Im all for name change.
My name is stupid I hate the damn name and a few of my in game friends hate there names also for the simple reason we didn't know it was set in stone when we joined this game.
What would entail a name change though? would it require huge database changes? |
Kara Vix
Sanford and Son Salvage Peregrine Nation
82
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Posted - 2012.11.15 10:05:00 -
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I don't want to change my name but I love the idea of being able too. I have changed names in other games before. The name you chose now might be silly to you 5 years down the road and since you can't just power level another character in Eve the option to change your name seems good. I like the idea others stated that having the ability to find a characters past names would be appropriate, you don't want known spies joining your corp. Past employment history I think should be hidden unless set to allow though. |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
628
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Posted - 2012.11.15 10:06:00 -
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TriadSte wrote:we didn't know it was set in stone when we joined this game.
O.o
really? pretty much every time you pick a name for anything, it's permanent. it's kinda the point of having names. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
Mascha Tzash
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.11.15 10:08:00 -
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Perhaps it could help to show in the corp history when the character changed hands? Maybe a coloured entry of the timestamp, when the character was moved to another account or the ownership of the account changed.
so you could see, that the character/account was traded, but you still have the corp history. |
Katarina Reid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
241
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Posted - 2012.11.15 10:17:00 -
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I like the idea if you could have a name history list. Standings would need to carry over and maybe a notication if someone with standings changes there name. I dont think scammers can exploit it any more then they do now they just sell there character and buying a new one. |
Dave stark
Black Nova Corp. R O G U E
628
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Posted - 2012.11.15 10:19:00 -
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Mascha Tzash wrote:Perhaps it could help to show in the corp history when the character changed hands? Maybe a coloured entry of the timestamp, when the character was moved to another account or the ownership of the account changed.
so you could see, that the character/account was traded, but you still have the corp history.
i agree with this, i think character trades should be shown along with the corp history therefore you can see when the character was traded and what corps the new owner has been in.
doesn't really mean much as they could transfer the character to "wipe the slate clean" however you're still able to see the previous corps the character has been in for the paranoid recruiters out there.
also it'd be nice to know if the character you're checking out has been traded before, and if so; when. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |
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Riot Girl
RADIO RAMPAGE Initiative Mercenaries
441
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Posted - 2012.11.15 10:29:00 -
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It should be possible to change your identity in EvE. It is possible to do it in real life but it is probably a very painstaking process and there will always be ways to trace your real identity. I think there should be a system in EvE which reflects this. Maybe a system where it will take several weeks of effort and lying low to change the name. This way people can't abuse it and only those who really want to change the name will bother with it. There should still be ways to trace a person to their old identity too, but that should also require some effort. |
Alec Enderas
Sovereign Front
15
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Posted - 2012.11.15 10:48:00 -
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Although I personally don't think of changing names to be a good idea, what could work:
If you have the chance to change name (plex service, christmas bonus, once every 5 year of subscription...) - corp history stays and you also have either a button which shows the old name(s) or make a paid Concord service (LP/ISK) to find out old names. That way you can still fool people, but not those who care.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
5481
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Posted - 2012.11.15 10:50:00 -
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Why not start selling those SP right away, because this is essentially what it means - with the drawback of you can't allocate them yourself.
In a world where even CCP states that what a pilot do and the actions they take is what can make a difference (the butterfly effect) removing all that history that a pilot did seems pretty much completely against that idea.
I would vote against any such feature for sure, you shouldn't be able to semi-erase that history like that, and potential buyers of a character should look into what they're buying if they're afraid of the history.
/c
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Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
440
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Posted - 2012.11.15 10:51:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
Personally I think you shouldn't be able to change the name.
Sure you might like a character skillset and then your heart may sink when you see the name is "ButtePipe" (or you may be overjoyed, who knows) however you're not just buying another ship off someone, you're buying a character. A person.
I already dislike the fact that so many people need alts (or claim to need them) to do things in EVE. Inevitably everyone with a capital ship has a cyno alt. Most people have a Jita alt. I personally feel it ruins the immersion of the game not not be tied to a particular character.
On the other hand you can't fix those issues without messing with the game, and spying is an important part of EVE which would be impossible otherwise.
My attitude is thus:
- Bought a character but don't like the name? Tough, next time actually set up a new character and train him up yourself. The disadvantage of skipping 2 years worth of training other than the price is the fact you don't get to pick the name
- No you shouldn't be able to change your name even on a character you made. Your character's name is their identity, EVE is great due to consequences, even if you're able to check the name via "show info" people wont do that on every name in local chat or on the forums. Your actions are recorded in people's memory and associated with your name. Deal with it or make a new character.
- No you should not be able to wipe corp history. Same point RE: consequences as above. Even if you're not a spy if you only hang round in a corp for a few months, unsub for 6 months then repeat I don't want you in my corp.
- Characters having been traded with corp histories is a bit different, instead I'd propose that it is recorded in corp history box when the character has been traded. So I can still view the character's past history if I want but I can also see clearly it's been traded.
"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli |
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
9
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Posted - 2012.11.15 10:56:00 -
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Mascha Tzash wrote:Perhaps it could help to show in the corp history when the character changed hands? Maybe a coloured entry of the timestamp, when the character was moved to another account or the ownership of the account changed.
so you could see, that the character/account was traded, but you still have the corp history.
Or combine two ideas. Allow change of name on trade but have the old name and the character trade both show up on the employment history.
The entry could be put down as 'DED intervention - Mindwipe' or some such to show why the character no longer has a clue about what happened in the past.
It would stop a newly bought character being targeted so much by previous victims but keeps the character's history intact. |
Buhhdust Princess
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
207
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Posted - 2012.11.15 11:02:00 -
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Name change would make it easieer for people like myself, dhb wildcat, kil2 etc to get fights anyway ^^ |
Zhao-luojao Shou
Industrial Dragon Tycoons
0
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Posted - 2012.11.15 11:19:00 -
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I have thought long and hard about name changes. i have also thought about the name of a toon i might buy and wonder if the person selling it was a pirate or scammer, or maybe even a corp thief. It really doesnt matter as there is a forum post and a mail to the corp you are leaving that you are selling the toon.
If someone doesnt like the reputation that the toon has then just post the forum thread as a link in your bio.
Also if you alloud name changes then ppl with multiple accounts would just be able to "sell" thier scam alt or corp thief to thier other account and change the name. No accountability. |
Aghira
Systech Astromantics Shipyard Inc.
23
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Posted - 2012.11.15 11:25:00 -
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Zhao-luojao Shou wrote:
Also if you alloud name changes then ppl with multiple accounts would just be able to "sell" thier scam alt or corp thief to thier other account and change the name. No accountability.
What if you can't sell a toon whose name was changed. And additionally be marked so that you can see that the name was changed without looking at the info of the toon.
Wir leben alle unter dem gleichen Himmel, aber wir haben nicht alle den gleichen Horizont. (Adenauer)
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Mr Pragmatic
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Posted - 2012.11.15 11:26:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Dave stark wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already while i'd love to be able to change the name of a purchased character as some way to signify it has a new owner, at the same time it'd be too easy for people to abuse it. the cost and hassle of a character transfer is nothing in comparison to effectively erasing an entire character's history, even if you can see past aliases since very few people would really bother to check. i think it has more drawbacks than benefits, personally. edit: where would it stop? if you can change your name, why not your corp history, etc. Oh, I see your point completely. It's hard to distinguish where the line would be, and on a personal level I wouldn't support being able to erase or modify a character's corporation history at all. Your history of employment in EVE should always be your character's legacy, and you should on that basis pick and choose whom you work for carefully. There's some good points being brought forward in this thread
I think one of the issues is tho that new players unintetionally join a bunch of dead beat corps and have a long corp history that is full of "False positives" He might look like a corp jumper but in reality he just joined a bunch of dead beats. the "Hey my corp is awesome join it" and its only 3 or 4 characters and acouple of alts. Maybe this world is another planet's hell. -Aldous Huxley
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Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions Free 2 Play
94
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Posted - 2012.11.15 11:26:00 -
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reputation is a valuable asset in EVE.. allowing the change of names, and even worse the removal of corp history would break that, you could have high-end characters with no positive/negative reputation at all.
i would hate it.
Its bad enough CCP sometimes renames people. 3rdPartyEve.net - your catalogue for 3rd party applications |
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
932
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Posted - 2012.11.15 11:39:00 -
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I have to say no either but somehow would like the possibility to change the char name for in game currency only. This should only be possible after transfer in between accounts (isk gone/money sent to CCP) and purchased exclusively with ton of isk help (couple billions).
Doesn't change corp history. If some thief/spy can't change his name in his eve career there's no sense on calling it like that. At some point since you can't get that name on your very red list it's the corp/allinace you're going to put there, meaning at some point you'll not be doing any business with other than throw a couple rounds at their face.
So, name yes, corp history no. brb |
SkyMarshaller
SkyMarshaller Corp
2
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Posted - 2012.11.15 11:59:00 -
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Can't see what the problem is with a simple name change for ongoing users (obviously there will be a cost or penalty), as long as all history (esp Corp) is accessible/retained.
What I find hard to accept is that someone could buy a character & instantly change the name - perhaps put a number limit & /or time limit on the availabilty of name changes. This could be similar to a neural re-map, perhaps only allowing a name change after that person has owned the character for say 1 year.
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coolzero
The Replicators Li3 Federation
42
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Posted - 2012.11.15 12:10:00 -
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name change...yes but only with a hardcoded AKA (also known as) list so you can always see what names the char had before
corp history removement...mm not sure if thats needed other then maby intel...kinda helpfull to know if a char has been in a corp with known scammers orso so my i say no to this option |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
265
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Posted - 2012.11.15 12:19:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
Honestly, its the one thing that's kept me from buying a character. Last thing i want is to buy a toon whose name is Fatty McSpankyPants. I think a rename/wiped corp history should only be available if you purchase a toon. After all, when you buy a character there can be a lot of negative history that's hard to know about that comes with it. I think the name change should also have a time limit of like a week. So people who buy a toon can't rack up a history and then a month later change the name. There just isn't anything intresting on the front page of the GD anymore. Yawn! |
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
630
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Posted - 2012.11.15 12:42:00 -
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Just thought of a cool way to legacy link.
Add a CONCORD Registry ID number, printed plainly on your pod (right click show info, in-game)
This number would only be visible when viewing another player's POD or corpse (pod debris)
Additionally if docked in the same station, you can ask "Scotty" what serial numbers are currently docked, while this won't directly link a name, research would reveal. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
1134
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Posted - 2012.11.15 12:53:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:........ on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already The reputation of the character is in many ways a window to the player operating the character. If the player changes, does the reputation have any validity? I cannot use it to judge future actions because those actions are from a completely different person! So sure, let the name change.
But what if a player trades a character to themselves, either by transferring it to a second account, or by doing a double transfer using a friend as an intermediary? Then the original name should return so the reputation is once again stuck to the player. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Terrorfrodo
GNADE Inc.
234
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Posted - 2012.11.15 13:13:00 -
[47] - Quote
How is the reputation of a character even an issue for traded characters? If you buy a known corp thief, you can always direct people to the bazaar thread where they can see that the character has changed hands. Only idiots would distrust you because you play a character that was a thief in another player's hands.
I think CCP could allow a single renaming for characters that can only be used when the character is older than three months but younger than six months. This way people could correct a stupid decision they made when they didn't expect to stay with this game for long and just picked the first silly name that came to their mind.
Other than that, no renaming and no wiping, ever. . |
Cutter Isaacson
Nouvelle Rouvenor
1980
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Posted - 2012.11.15 13:15:00 -
[48] - Quote
Acac Sunflyier wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Honestly, its the one thing that's kept me from buying a character. Last thing i want is to buy a toon whose name is Fatty McSpankyPants. I think a rename/wiped corp history should only be available if you purchase a toon. After all, when you buy a character there can be a lot of negative history that's hard to know about that comes with it. I think the name change should also have a time limit of like a week. So people who buy a toon can't rack up a history and then a month later change the name.
Hmm. I'll spend years being a corp thief, jumping from corp to corp scamming people for billions and stealing all their stuff, but then I have to stop because no-one will hire me. Oh wait, I don't have to do that at all, I'll just sell myself...to myself. Name change and corp history wipe, thank you that'll do nicely. Now back to doing exactly what I was doing with no repercussions at all because "I'm not the same person anymore".
And if you can't see anything wrong with the above scenario, please get out of EVE and go play solitaire. "The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
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Remiel Pollard
Devlin Security Devlin Alliance
61
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Posted - 2012.11.15 13:17:00 -
[49] - Quote
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
And if you can't see anything wrong with the above scenario, please get out of EVE and go play solitaire.
Was there really a need to be a jerk about it? Chill out, explain the complication to it so he understands it, and then be done. Antagonising him will just provoke an argument. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
196
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Posted - 2012.11.15 13:17:00 -
[50] - Quote
And this is why I build clean characters to sell. There's a market for them.
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting The Paganism Alliance
112
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Posted - 2012.11.15 13:41:00 -
[51] - Quote
This is already implemented. They are called Titles. You can use them to group roles, but you can also set a specific Title for a person that is NOT tied to any roles. Our corp uses this method to grant people "nicknames". These are optional and do not interfere with the permanence and reputation of a chosen name. Dealing with it's reputation is what you do when you buy characters instead of training them up yourselves.
IRL people can attain new "identities" and I'd support the idea for Eve. The cost to effectively reset your reputation should come with a huge cost or a tremendous effort. I'm not a fan of paying with ISK / AUR / PLEX. I'd rather limit the use of a namechange (once a year perhaps), make it incredibly hard to attain, and it should come with the loss of all and every NPC standing and a full security status reset. |
Iax Masali
Vent Mob
3
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Posted - 2012.11.15 13:43:00 -
[52] - Quote
Honestly, I would love to be able to Capitalize the first letter of Characters I have bought, I never bother looking at them in game and on the Forums they always show and a Capital Letter for the First and Last Name. Everything I log on it infuriates me!!!! |
Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
348
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Posted - 2012.11.15 13:44:00 -
[53] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
Considering you are already allowing to buy and sell characters in the Bazaar, the argument that "your name is your identity and reputation in EVE" doesn't hold water. Too many people have too many alt accounts. Unless you go all the way and link all accounts registered to a name/credit card holder used to buy the copy of the game, and make THAT visible, or limited the game to one character per person (not per account, per person) it makes no sense. |
Altessa Post
Midnight special super sexy
0
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Posted - 2012.11.16 11:47:00 -
[54] - Quote
I do not even like the idea of buying characters. It is like cheating. Getting a skilled character for real money. So, if you went that road because you did not have the patience to build up your own character then at least live with its history. |
flakeys
Angels of Anarchy Interstellar Confederation
427
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Posted - 2012.11.16 15:15:00 -
[55] - Quote
Chribba wrote:Why not start selling those SP right away, because this is essentially what it means - with the drawback of you can't allocate them yourself.
In a world where even CCP states that what a pilot do and the actions they take is what can make a difference (the butterfly effect) removing all that history that a pilot did seems pretty much completely against that idea.
I would vote against any such feature for sure, you shouldn't be able to semi-erase that history like that, and potential buyers of a character should look into what they're buying if they're afraid of the history.
/c
Indeed , a char history is something i use at least once a week to checl on someone and should never , ever have the ability to be erased.
I bought 2 chars in my eve time -this one is my own and first creation btw- and i didn't like either name but why would that interfere with the capabilities of the char?What essential difference does it add when you can't change your name if you compare it to the BIG difference it would make if changing name was made possible. There is a sufficiency in the world for man's need but not for man's greed.-á |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Tactical Vendor of Services and Goods Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
1840
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Posted - 2012.11.16 15:20:00 -
[56] - Quote
If CCP is facilitating the transfer of the character from one person to another and they are taking a cut of the cost of the transfer then I see no reason why CCP shouldn't facilitate a wipe of that characters history and name so long as they were the ones doing it and they track that characters history of being wiped so as not to allow abuse. One time deal sort of thing.
Character renames should be allowed through PLEX or something anyway. So long as there is a name history tied to the character that everybody can see.
Just my opinion. Likely will never happen anyway. EVE is not about PvP.-á EVE is about the SANDBOX! |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1246
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Posted - 2012.11.16 15:21:00 -
[57] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea I really don't think a properly implemented name-change mechanic would cause this at all.
Like you said, you could implement a feature that would show all of a person's past names. This in combination with linking their old name to their new name would be all you'd need to do to prevent "wiping the slate clean" per se. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Yusef Yeasef Yosef
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.11.16 15:37:00 -
[58] - Quote
It's a game, not "real life".
Even in real life you can change your name. Why not in a game as well.
There are many reasons for this. One being that many start playing this game young, and later in life decide that the name they chose while they were in High School isn't exactly what the want anymore. It's not like we are forced to choose our name the day we are born IRL.
It should cost to change your name, maybe a plex, with a cool down of something like a year+. And it should cost to deterimine someone's previous names, maybe LP from a Locator Agent. It shouldn't just be on their info tab.
Btw, finding someone's location in game should cost LP as well. Maybe exponentially more the farther away they are. Nothing in Eve should be free. Not even information. |
Diesel47
painkiller.
317
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Posted - 2012.11.16 15:42:00 -
[59] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
If somebody buys a char off somebody else. I think they should have the option of changing the name atleast.
Why would the character's reputation matter for the new owner? Unless it is a bad rep.
If somebody has a rep as a good PvPer, and the new owner is a carebear... doesn't make sense. |
Jame Jarl Retief
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
352
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Posted - 2012.11.16 15:56:00 -
[60] - Quote
Diesel47 wrote: If somebody buys a char off somebody else. I think they should have the option of changing the name atleast.
Why would the character's reputation matter for the new owner? Unless it is a bad rep.
If somebody has a rep as a good PvPer, and the new owner is a carebear... doesn't make sense.
That's precisely it. And why would bad rep matter anyway? If the character is sold, the "bad rep" accrued belongs to the previous owner, not the new owner. The new owner didn't do anything wrong. A character is just a tool, and tools are immune from being good or evil, they can only be used for good or evil, but in the end it's a human problem, just like everything else. So why should be inherit bad rep anyway? Makes no sense. This is why this whole name change and history issue is really laughable in a game where a character bazaar exists, I'm amazed some people just don't see the logical fallacy of it all. |
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Casirio
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
133
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:00:00 -
[61] - Quote
I too have mixed feelings about this.. I think if CCP was to implement a name change system. It would have to include a few things.
1) An indiction on the toon's corp history where the transfer was made. as in Old name + old corp history [break] New name + new corp history
2) Limit it to one time per character
I see arguments for both that make sense, on one hand you are already able to buy and sell characters, rescuplt for plex at any time, so why shouldn't you be able to change your name (for a bought toon,) ? At the same time, I can see it being a huge deal to many.
Edit: Or...What about simply adding the ability to have a nickname? And you can choose on your bio which name is displayed to the public. Someone could simply mouse over your name and it show your "real" name or other "aliases" ? That way you arent changing it but just adding a nickname. Just a thought |
Alec Freeman
The Dark Space Initiative
143
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:02:00 -
[62] - Quote
Why not leave the corp history there but have all history greyed out prior to the transfer. This also stops people from claiming a bought char is theirs. |
Roderick Grey
Assisted Genocide Black Legion.
102
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:04:00 -
[63] - Quote
Tom Gerard wrote:The problem:
Everytime I look for a character on the Bazaar he turns out to be a corp thief or otherwise unwelcome.
Solution:
Offer paid name changes that include a full history wipe.
$100 per character, would reduce abuse of the mechanic, maybe even only allow it on transferred characters.
The Bazaar is not nearly as awesome as it could be, make it that awesome!
I agree, it's extremely difficult to use the character bazaar to "reinvent" oneself when the Tengu alt you bought turns out to be black listed.
Name Changes and History wipes should be an option. |
Gal'o Sengen
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:08:00 -
[64] - Quote
My very first character's initials were A A. I got to 12m SP then started again. I would have LOVED a name change. |
G01kur Kisel
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:09:00 -
[65] - Quote
Couldnt it be possible to implement some IRL changes to EVE here? It is fully legal to change your name to something else. However that name change is registered and stored somewhere ( where I dont know , but Im sure the police or someone has track of it )
We have ID papers IRL, such as Passports that we have to renew every X amount of years. You can fake ID papers, ( at least in movies )
Offer a name change once every 1 year just like a remap of attributes with or without cost. But it should be possible to look up the previous owners name and his previous corp history. If this action is limited to once every year it wouldnt be abused at much ( perhaps ) |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1603
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:11:00 -
[66] - Quote
I think an API based history for corp and alliance recruiters would be sufficient, then you can change your name to xXDe4th5n1pa420Xx for the low low price of however many plex all you want . |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
935
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:14:00 -
[67] - Quote
Terrorfrodo wrote:Only idiots would distrust you because you play a character that was a thief in another player's hands.
you should know by now Eve is full of these
brb |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
200
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:36:00 -
[68] - Quote
I don't think you should be able to name change. But it think there should be a social skill that changes how much of you corp history is visible at a glance. You would still see it all with a API key. The skill would determine how much you see just buy using show info, some thing like level one 1 year to level 5 only current corp. To me hiding your identity totally seems like a skill you should be able to learn, spy's and what not do that now. Hell it should hide your start date, bloodline, race , and pic to. Not to every thing but to a casual glance. I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec. Were is the FW exclusive frigate sized ship? I see the cruiser and battle ship.......... |
Fractal Muse
Republic University Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:47:00 -
[69] - Quote
I don't like the idea of a name change in EVE.
I would like to see a flag on a character in game that it was traded. That way someone who looks at the character can see without having to go to a forum post that the character was traded and has a 'new' owner.
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Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
242
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:48:00 -
[70] - Quote
You (or the previous owner of the toon you bought) made that toon who/what it is. History matters. Realize you've been a ******* and your history is following you? Too damn bad. Either deal with it, sell the toon, or trash bin it.
Some things shouldn't have a price tag on it to sanitize it. I want to see what kind of douchebaggery you've participated in to know whether you can be trusted or not, and I don't need an API key to do it. |
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Gangname Style
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:51:00 -
[71] - Quote
Actually.
I think that name change and corp history wipes should be mandatory when buying a char. However they should put something that says who the character used to be.
Theres no reason for a guy to buy reputation and glory with ISK when he doesn't actually deserve any of it. |
DeBingJos
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
443
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:54:00 -
[72] - Quote
Gangname Style wrote:Actually.
I think that name change and corp history wipes should be mandatory when buying a char. However they should put something that says who the character used to be.
Theres no reason for a guy to buy reputation and glory with ISK when he doesn't actually deserve any of it.
You do realise that I can sell a character and then buy it with another of my accounts. Result: history wiped clear. That should not be possible!
No to name changes.
Ungi ma+¦urinn ++ekkir reglurnar, en gamli ma+¦urinn ++ekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions. |
Gangname Style
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:57:00 -
[73] - Quote
DeBingJos wrote:Gangname Style wrote:Actually.
I think that name change and corp history wipes should be mandatory when buying a char. However they should put something that says who the character used to be.
Theres no reason for a guy to buy reputation and glory with ISK when he doesn't actually deserve any of it. You do realise that I can sell a character and then buy it with another of my accounts. Result: history wiped clear. That should not be possible! No to name changes.
Isn't wiped clear. You can still see if you look. And go ahead and pay 20 bucks every time you wanna do that.
The only thing my solution does is make sure somebody doesn't buy a famous toon and pretend they are them. |
DeBingJos
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
443
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:58:00 -
[74] - Quote
Gangname Style wrote:DeBingJos wrote:Gangname Style wrote:Actually.
I think that name change and corp history wipes should be mandatory when buying a char. However they should put something that says who the character used to be.
Theres no reason for a guy to buy reputation and glory with ISK when he doesn't actually deserve any of it. You do realise that I can sell a character and then buy it with another of my accounts. Result: history wiped clear. That should not be possible! No to name changes. Isn't wiped clear. You can still see if you look. And go ahead and pay 20 bucks every time you wanna do that. The only thing my solution does is make sure somebody doesn't buy a famous toon and pretend they are them.
That is not possible because you have to announce selling a toon on the forums and to your corp. It also has to be in an npc-corp.
Ungi ma+¦urinn ++ekkir reglurnar, en gamli ma+¦urinn ++ekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions. |
Teinyhr
A Club for Reputable Gentlemen
100
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Posted - 2012.11.16 17:36:00 -
[75] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
Dear CCP Falcon - we have had numerous threads before about this very issue. I'll quote myself from one of them;
"Your name is your reputation" is nothing short of a bad excuse these days for not implementing name change. Only the ballsiest and/or most sociopathic players don't use alts to scam or otherwise inconvenience other players, instead of reveling in their bad rep. However, a considerable amount of people are avoiding karma simply by having alts. With the plex system having a "dirty work alt" is easier than it was ever before.
I nevertheless would want this to become an actual paid feature with ideas that have been passed around before in greater detail, like once a year maximum, a reasonable yet abuse discouraging price tag (say, the price of a months sub, and you couldn't buy it with PLEX).
To make a compromise to the ever complaining, self entitled bitter vets, namechanged accounts should be noticeable somehow, possibly having a small star(*), exclamation point(!) or any variant thereof, added behind their name. It should be fairly unobtrusive on the name itself, but still appear in the overview/chatlists in a way that would be immediately noticeable. This would alert the most paranoid of us to check the many times over suggested name history tab of the character.
Personally I'd even be happy with just having a slot you could fill out yourself in style of roleplaying addons of other MMO's, that would display when opening character info, under a characters name. Other people could use it to add imaginary titles to themselves or something.
EDIT: Adding this link for good measure to a thread about this in CSM, it debunks the common reasons for saying "no" much better than I ever could. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=8710
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10698
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Posted - 2012.11.16 17:45:00 -
[76] - Quote
No to name changes. Far too many downsides and far too few up.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Melvin Coulter
Cobalt Conspiracy Incorporated
3
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Posted - 2012.11.16 17:46:00 -
[77] - Quote
Mascha Tzash wrote:Perhaps it could help to show in the corp history when the character changed hands? Maybe a coloured entry of the timestamp, when the character was moved to another account or the ownership of the account changed.
so you could see, that the character/account was traded, but you still have the corp history. If I am correct you have let your corp know and have to be in a pc corp before you can sell it Mel
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Gerald Taric
94
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Posted - 2012.11.16 18:09:00 -
[78] - Quote
I see the suffer of people, if they buy a toon with a bad name. But ... it was part of the offer. If you don't like the name, don't buy the toon.
For the case of creating a new toon and not being aware of the fact, that you could not change the name later, i would suggest a clearly visible warning about that fact over the naming field.
If name changes ever will be implemented, i suggest two things to consider:
- limit it : Make it a "2 times only" as maximum. After that you toon really should have a good name. If these two name changes are used up, it's over, even if you want to sell it and the new owner will be unable to change it. See my first sentence above: The Name is part of the toon offer.
- Make it visible/searchable: It should NEITHER be a posibility to clean up the history of the character, NOR a possibility to evade foreign contact lists (because of maybe too many "red-listings"). Again: The past belongs to the toon, and in case of selling the toon, the past belongs to the offer.
--> In this way the people have the possibility to get comfortable with their toon name, but can barely abuse it to abandon their hated past.
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Nucleo Tide
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
1
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Posted - 2012.11.16 18:43:00 -
[79] - Quote
This would be pretty profitable for them and would be a sound business decision. As it wouldn't hurt the game if done properly.
But this is precisely why it will never happen. |
Nucleo Tide
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
1
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Posted - 2012.11.16 18:45:00 -
[80] - Quote
They may make a Facebook game based around names instead though. |
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Terry Shawton
DEROB TinkerTown Terrorists
0
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Posted - 2012.11.16 23:05:00 -
[81] - Quote
instead of name change ccp just adds a corp to history like CCP transfers inc or something. To indicate the character was transferred by them. |
Name Family Name
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
85
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Posted - 2012.11.16 23:32:00 -
[82] - Quote
ISD Praetoxx wrote:
Afterall, when you guys purchase a new character, you want to make your own history, not inherit it!
The point is you don't buy a new character, you buy a used one. Any quick google search will reveal the character was bought (assuming it was bought legally on the character bazaar) and when applying to a corp, people may always explain the character was bought and bring up the corresponding thread as evidence if they think that would be favourable and the recruiter hasn't already found out by himself.
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Mars Theran
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
405
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Posted - 2012.11.17 01:52:00 -
[83] - Quote
Dave stark wrote:Mascha Tzash wrote:Perhaps it could help to show in the corp history when the character changed hands? Maybe a coloured entry of the timestamp, when the character was moved to another account or the ownership of the account changed.
so you could see, that the character/account was traded, but you still have the corp history. i agree with this, i think character trades should be shown along with the corp history therefore you can see when the character was traded and what corps the new owner has been in. doesn't really mean much as they could transfer the character to "wipe the slate clean" however you're still able to see the previous corps the character has been in for the paranoid recruiters out there. also it'd be nice to know if the character you're checking out has been traded before, and if so; when.
I'm just going to stop reading here and quote.
More or less, I like the idea of the traded date being dropped into Character History. If name changes were available, that should be included too.
A Characters history need never be deleted, but I think the Corp history should receive the Certificate treatment. Any player can show an API to a Corp if it is requested and they will have the needed information available.
Add a second history which is available as a sort of info on a person that can be gained by some means, like a Locator Agent, (but more accessible), in game.
Perhaps work it into the Bounty Revamp and include Locator Agents with that revamp too. Locator Agents.. Never successfully used one to find someone, but it seems to me that you should receive tracking information available on your map, and maybe an indicator like the watch list for online status.
If they're online you can click on their pic and it will open the map and they will be visible as a dot on the map, with their location shown in text beside their picture on mouse-over.
This would mean Locator Agents should increase in expense slightly, for handling the extra work of following that person.
I'm good with name changes, and I'd go so far as to suggest it should be an available option on receiving a Character transfer. $5 fee in account management to schedule a name change in the client for a recently transferred character, good for 72 hours.
Name changes aside from that, if available, should cost a PLEX, and only be available once a year. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
Tom Gerard
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
632
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Posted - 2012.11.17 02:21:00 -
[84] - Quote
Without the ability to reset characters, the bazaar is effectively overpaying for someone's partially eaten Tuna Sandwich.
Ways to filter out abuse:
Credit Verification on both the seller and the buyer, (this would only be required for trades that wish to use the name change.)
Additionally: Limiting this service to once per year, or even once per two years would be appropriate as well as a timer that shows how many years, months, days, hours until the character can be renamed.
This would of course mean characters with a desirable skill set AND a rename available would be worth a mint, which I can only imagine would make the players who contribute the most to the Bazaar VERY happy.
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LtCol Laurentius
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2012.11.17 03:52:00 -
[85] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
I belive most people would choose to keep their character names, because its their identity as you say. But in addition to bough characters, you have poorly named alts that some may want to change, you have characters that have been hit with the CCP hammer because they were offensive etc. Being named Caldari Citizen 247964 isnt gonna keep people playing :)
If all characters that have some sort of standing towards you, or have placed a bounty on you, would get notified about the namechange (and the renamed character just take the place of the old one in the standings lists etc), a namechange wouldnt wipe the slate clean. Also, a name changing history should be available in the show info on the character. |
Shirley Jones
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.11.17 07:11:00 -
[86] - Quote
I really don't see any issue with a name change. I mean unless you are a celebrity of sorts then who really knows or cares about your name?! I know for my two main 2006 characters nobody would care or notice if my name was changed or if i ever logged into this game again. Would i care if joeblog changed his name to johnsmith, well no because well i wouldn't notice. Its not like i spend my eve running around the universe recording peoples names and job descriptions. I shoot the red box, i buy the market stuff both of which i take absolutely no notice of the names, i certainly do not record or memorize them.
The biggest gripe seems to be corp thieves but the character name is really not a defense. If you are going to get all your stuff stolen its not going to be from some in game character name that has a history of thievery. It is the player behind the character that is the thief and there is no way to know what new character they have bought or rolled to do their dastardly with.
There would have to be a visible record of the change and it would have to be costly just so i guess its not rampant but even then I really would not notice nor care. You never know who is who in eve simply because.. alts, character bazzar. Let the poor souls out there that live their eve existence hating their character name have the opportunity to change it, i mean really what is it to you, you likely will never know them, interact with them or notice them anyways. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
834
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Posted - 2012.11.17 07:14:00 -
[87] - Quote
Just make a visable character name change transaction log that's recorded in the API. Corps interested in security can do a simple audit (As they should be doing anyways). Problem solved. Adore me. |
Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
105
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Posted - 2012.11.17 09:02:00 -
[88] - Quote
If the API settings allowed a Corp History / Previous Names field the spy risk is reduced, but a useful intel tool is removed: Cloaky alt / Cyno, or covert jump portal generation? What kind of friends would they likely be able to batphone, are they playing with Pandemic Legion whilst also being a Goonswarm spy?
Although, corp recruitment is safe with API verification
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Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
56
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Posted - 2012.11.17 10:40:00 -
[89] - Quote
Robe or inflitrate nemy corp - do smomthing horrible in game - transfer character to your self to another account - avoid punishment due to bad reputation - clear name and history - profit.... Very bad idea...
Hovewer would be nice if people got ablility to change name after buying character in character bazar, but in other perspective this may be used as expolit to clear bad reputation etc. |
Haoibuni
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
15
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Posted - 2012.11.17 10:54:00 -
[90] - Quote
This is my bio which, unfortunately, is a true story:
"I have a crap name, don't I. Spelt it wrong at character creation. Typed an "O" instead of a "P". As such, I'm not a Happy Bunny :-("
Petitioned, rejected. I was most butthurt. |
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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1051
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Posted - 2012.11.17 11:14:00 -
[91] - Quote
Tarvos Telesto wrote:Robe or inflitrate nemy corp - do smomthing horrible in game - transfer character to your self to another account - avoid punishment due to bad reputation - clear name and history - profit.... Very bad idea...
Hovewer would be nice if people got ablility to change name after buying character in character bazar, but in other perspective this may be used as expolit to clear bad reputation etc.
You could use your Diablo 3 gold to avoid repercussions in EVE Crimewatch 2.0: Protecting stupid people & rewarding lazy people. This hurts the smart & industrious people by making their intelligence & industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid & lazy people. ~ Ruby Porto |
Dr oozy
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.11.17 11:45:00 -
[92] - Quote
The issue is the history, I do not see what it wrong with a purely cosmetic name change but leaving the history as it is, any way to remove the history of the char would be abused.
Before you buy a char on the bazaar do your research and decide if you want the history... safe in the knowledge that the char does not have be called "Ub3Rp3wp3w" if you buy it. |
YuuKnow
Inner 5phere
430
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Posted - 2012.11.17 12:13:00 -
[93] - Quote
As long a character search brings up the past alias. And that it can't be overutilized. Perhaps a 1 time name change per account or at the time of an initial character transfer.
As far as names being sacred, the fact that we have alts and have alt spies and can transfer characters already makes 'name = sacred' grossly hyperbolic.
yk |
Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
268
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Posted - 2012.11.17 12:18:00 -
[94] - Quote
Once again this nul-brainer concept rears it's ugly head.
Eve is about consequences for actions and corp history is an important part of that. Our names are all we have. Allowing people to lose their bad history for $100 is so game breakingly stupid i feel sorry for your pets who are undoubtably stupider just for having been near you.
Think longer next time before you display your obvious need to circumvent an important game mechanic. If you want a shiny history, dont be a d*ck. If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if i'm online. BUDDY TRIALS AVAILABLE - 21days plus big ISK bonus and starting assistance |
Teinyhr
A Club for Reputable Gentlemen
100
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Posted - 2012.11.17 13:01:00 -
[95] - Quote
Keno Skir wrote:Once again this nul-brainer concept rears it's ugly head.
-----stuff----
Think longer next time
Take your own advice. How many times it need be said you can circumvent consequences with alts. PLEXes made this even easier. There's like one person I know who hasn't wussed out of bad rep (altough in his case, magnificient bastard rep), that is Istvaan Shogaatsu. And it has been said that an intergral part of this name change things would be the introduction of an "identity history" tab. |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
266
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Posted - 2012.11.18 22:59:00 -
[96] - Quote
Cutter Isaacson wrote:Acac Sunflyier wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Honestly, its the one thing that's kept me from buying a character. Last thing i want is to buy a toon whose name is Fatty McSpankyPants. I think a rename/wiped corp history should only be available if you purchase a toon. After all, when you buy a character there can be a lot of negative history that's hard to know about that comes with it. I think the name change should also have a time limit of like a week. So people who buy a toon can't rack up a history and then a month later change the name. Hmm. I'll spend years being a corp thief, jumping from corp to corp scamming people for billions and stealing all their stuff, but then I have to stop because no-one will hire me. Oh wait, I don't have to do that at all, I'll just sell myself...to myself. Name change and corp history wipe, thank you that'll do nicely. Now back to doing exactly what I was doing with no repercussions at all because "I'm not the same person anymore". And if you can't see anything wrong with the above scenario, please get out of EVE and go play solitaire.
Thing is people can already do that with alt accounts, character transfers, etc. They just run alt accounts, sell their black mark character and buy a clean slate character. There just isn't anything intresting on the front page of the GD anymore. Yawn! |
DaDudeinDump
Short Bus Pole Dancers
11
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Posted - 2012.11.18 23:20:00 -
[97] - Quote
I support name changes. If people are going to use this as an advantage, why don't they put it in employment history or on their bios? Some way that anyone who's viewing them instantly knows they had their names changed. |
Achlys Kurvora
The Moirae Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2012.11.18 23:45:00 -
[98] - Quote
While I totally understand and mostly agree that name changes would be opening a can of worms, I would love one for this character.
This character started out as a power of 2 that I split with my friend, I did the first name he did the second (he just made it up on the spot). Come to find out after I fully adopt the account that the last name is one used by some random guy for all of his like 4 characters last names. So now I am constantly mistaken for one of this guys alts......... joy.
Maybe keep corp history and only allow the change of first or last name? But then again many older characters only one one name.
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
950
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Posted - 2012.11.18 23:51:00 -
[99] - Quote
Name Family Name wrote:ISD Praetoxx wrote:
Afterall, when you guys purchase a new character, you want to make your own history, not inherit it!
The point is you don't buy a new character, you buy a used one. Any quick google search will reveal the character was bought (assuming it was bought legally on the character bazaar) and when applying to a corp, people may always explain the character was bought and bring up the corresponding thread as evidence if they think that would be favourable and the recruiter hasn't already found out by himself.
Employment history it's like local, maps, off game tools, planets and every piece of information on it you haven't scanned for it, free intell given away.
How much logical is to click on some character to know his pedigree without his permission as every other single tool I just named? brb |
Akiyo Mayaki
Industrial Justice Corporation
5
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Posted - 2012.11.18 23:55:00 -
[100] - Quote
I vote no. EVE is based on reputation and trust. This will shatter everything. |
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2928
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Posted - 2012.11.19 00:07:00 -
[101] - Quote
Regardless of ownership. Each character in the game has a history. If you don't want a tainted one then either keep a clean slate, or take ownership (buy a character) appropriately. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Squirrel Horde Habitat Against Humanity
120
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Posted - 2012.11.19 02:07:00 -
[102] - Quote
I would be in favor of granting a name change to a character that gets sold, but not wiping corp history and adding a list of prior names. Seems the reasonable thing to do, IMO.
edit: Perhaps even a little note that shows when it got sold...? Triple rep Myrms are like what you'd get if you strapped a beehive to Robocop. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
2930
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Posted - 2012.11.19 02:44:00 -
[103] - Quote
That would remove consequences for your actions so no. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ (my spaceblog) http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.co.uk/~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
234
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Posted - 2012.11.19 03:03:00 -
[104] - Quote
Anything that affects/clears a character's history in regards to past actions is a big nono, and if you want to buy a character with a decent name and no questionable background then you'll have to search and pay a bit more. Amat victoria curam. |
Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions Free 2 Play
95
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Posted - 2012.11.19 07:44:00 -
[105] - Quote
Diesel47 wrote: Why would the character's reputation matter for the new owner? Unless it is a bad rep. If somebody has a rep as a good PvPer, and the new owner is a carebear... doesn't make sense.
because atm having a good rep means your character is worth more. If people can drop the history and the name, it means a character doesnt lose value anymore if you use him for being a smacktalking corp thiefing *****.
3rdPartyEve.net - your catalogue for 3rd party applications |
daninjanomad
Lucid Dreamers Tribal Band
1
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Posted - 2012.11.19 08:12:00 -
[106] - Quote
if it hasnt been said here already
in the history - could there be a line that shows a name change 'from' and 'to'
that way corp bosses can ask the questions if they wish on previous names and will know of swaps on toons to check those periods in its life
... imo ONLY on toon sales as well and by the seller in the transfer area as part of the sale process ?? or the buyer on 1st logon of that toon ??
regards o7
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Captain Tardbar
State Protectorate Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.11.19 08:21:00 -
[107] - Quote
I don't know. Changing ones name and wiping the corp history is a bad idea even if you are selling the character. Otherwise a player would just sell the character to themselves to wipe the history.
Moreover, I think you should not be able to biomass a character who has a bounty on them with the new bounty system coming up. Make them get a new account all together instead of wasting people's bounty isk. |
Angmar Udate
Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda
6
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Posted - 2012.11.19 11:15:00 -
[108] - Quote
Nope against changing name / removal of corp history. For various reason, that I am sure are mentioned in the thread. I do think CCP should mark in corp history when a character changed hands / accounts. |
EglantinFinfleur
Pointy Teeth Society Ishukone Drug and Research Utilization Group
16
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Posted - 2012.11.19 11:48:00 -
[109] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
That makes a lot of sense, especially in a game that heavily condones the use of alts to escape reputation smudges and retribution.
Great doubletalk there. |
Wodensun
ZeroSec Dragon Swarm Dynasty
7
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Posted - 2012.11.19 13:49:00 -
[110] - Quote
Perhaps make a entry in the corp history showing the name change so that players looking at the character know the name has been changed but can still see the previous corp history?
something along the lines of :
CURRENT CORPORATION ZeroSec [0 SEC] from 2011.07.19 17:25 to this day
CONCORD SANCTIONED NAME CHANGE: 2011.07.18 13:25
PREVIOUS CORPORATION(S) Caldari Provisions [CP] from 2011.07.19 17:19 to 2011.07.19 17:25. |
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Intrepid Crossing
84
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Posted - 2012.11.19 14:03:00 -
[111] - Quote
Having a name change and a one click to see true history is a non runner really because scammers would be all over this like a fat kid on cake. unless CCP actualy condones this kind of,,,, oh wait a minute,,, forget it,,, silly me
I thought selling chars was against the rules anyway? |
Cutter Isaacson
Nouvelle Rouvenor
1981
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Posted - 2012.11.19 14:06:00 -
[112] - Quote
There is only one response to this suggestion:
Caveat Emptor.
There are numerous ways of checking a characters past history; from checking the forums to contacting previous corps. and checking killboards. The wealth of information available with even the most rudimentary of searches should be enough to uncover all but the most well hidden of wrong doings.
This is one of the fundamental reasons for the existence of strict rules on the Character Bazaar sub-forum; Sellers are required to disclose sec status, wallet status and to send a corp wide eve-mail when ever a character is sold off. If a potential buyer has any concerns regarding the truthfulness or completeness of the sellers claims, then the checks I mentioned above should alert them in plenty of time to retract any bids.
EVE grants its players a considerable amount of leeway when it comes to character name choice and in-game activities. So if you find that Logi pilot you like with all the right skills who has the name xXBawls Deep90Xx (just an example off the top of my head), and who has been kicked from 20 corps. for being a thief, don't cry for unnecessary changes to the game, just suck it up and find a different character. With any luck it might stop people from choosing such idiotic names in future when they realise they can't sell it.
tl;dr No name changes for ISK, PLEX or cash, same for corp. history removal. "The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
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Laurence Pinkitin
Aliastra Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.11.19 14:56:00 -
[113] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Dave stark wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already while i'd love to be able to change the name of a purchased character as some way to signify it has a new owner, at the same time it'd be too easy for people to abuse it. the cost and hassle of a character transfer is nothing in comparison to effectively erasing an entire character's history, even if you can see past aliases since very few people would really bother to check. i think it has more drawbacks than benefits, personally. edit: where would it stop? if you can change your name, why not your corp history, etc. Oh, I see your point completely. It's hard to distinguish where the line would be, and on a personal level I wouldn't support being able to erase or modify a character's corporation history at all. Your history of employment in EVE should always be your character's legacy, and you should on that basis pick and choose whom you work for carefully. There's some good points being brought forward in this thread
I think a name change and removing corp history is a good idea for characters that have been transferred to a different account. There would need to be some checks and balances though such as a IP check , a review by CCP before its allowable and other unknown stuff. |
Alice Saki
19714
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Posted - 2012.11.19 15:52:00 -
[114] - Quote
Can someone Delete Alice and GIve me the name :P http://i.imgur.com/vXey1.png |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1914
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Posted - 2012.11.19 16:12:00 -
[115] - Quote
ISD Praetoxx wrote:
It seems to be a topic that comes up again and again.
If CCP did the right thing and made characters acct bound, this topic would stop coming up.
Mr Epeen
Proud forum alt since 09/09/09 |
Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars Fade 2 Black
5289
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Posted - 2012.11.19 16:38:00 -
[116] - Quote
Personally, I think getting a name change and a history wipe is perfectly legit no matter if it is abused or not. It's kinf of like the real world in some regards. Get in over your head with the wrong crowd, fake your death and and create a new identity. I know the whole faking your "death" is a little difficult with the concept of clones. Creating a new identity is just as simple as knowing the right people or knowing how to work the system in your favor.
If someone abuses this for corporate espionage, so what? It's EVE, anything goes. If you fall for the scam, then you're the sucker. Best thread ever!!!
Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
656
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Posted - 2012.11.19 16:48:00 -
[117] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already I don't know about the rest, but I personally feel this idea is pants-on-head stupid! If (as per OP) a toon is un-sellable due to in-game actions - that is the consequence!
If the buyer has a problem with buying a known corp-scammer, point them back to the thread where you bought it.
Seems simple and legit to me.
Changing name/corp history would just cater to those scammers.
I have a toon on one account that does *nothing* but scam stupid contracts in Jita. I will never be able to sell that account because of its history. Which is as it should be!
NOT SUPPORTED!
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |
Bandalon Ominus
5ER3NITY INC Apocalypse Now.
1
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Posted - 2012.11.20 23:02:00 -
[118] - Quote
Any of you ever thought about this theoretical situation:
Player 1 named 'Jimmy Bandit' gains a bad reputation, sells his character to Player 2, player renames it to Stuart Little.
The name 'Jimmy Bandit' is available again for new players to pick.
Player 3 creates a new account, and thinks of a nice name, he picks the name 'Jimmy bandit'
That would really mess things up!
P.S. Apart from this problem, I'd love to have the ability to change names :) |
Achlys Kurvora
The Moirae Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2012.11.21 03:58:00 -
[119] - Quote
I know that the whole "what you do is tied to your character" argument is strong here but think about it, most of the corporate screw overs and spying is just done by alts any ways. On top of that why cant we pay isk, aurum, or a plex to some criminal cartel to give us a new name and wipe our history to look like we have sat in a npc corp our whole lives, that's fairly realistic seeing how it happens in real life.
Heaven forbid you actually need to vet your new members for any extended period of time. The more I think of it the "your history is tied to your name for good reason" argument really just makes you sound like an angry old man refusing to say that change is a good thing.
But any ways go ahead and flame away I know you grumpy old men will |
Jake Rivers
Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn
105
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Posted - 2012.11.21 04:16:00 -
[120] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
Never do this, a bad rep earned is one that should always follow the character, no matter how many times it may 'seem' to have changed hands.
Never make it easy for someone who trashes there reputation to wipe the slate clean.
Anyone who buys a character with a trashed rep have to live with the mistake, if its too bad, just put the character up for sale and hope someone comes along to buy it that is just as foolish as you were for buying it in the first place.
There should always be a cost associated with bad deeds, and one of them is your reputation, sleep in the bed you make. Senex Legio Recruiter Team |
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Altered Ego
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.11.21 15:21:00 -
[121] - Quote
I very much want a name change. And I'll pay CCP cash for it, grind my sec status and jump through what ever hoops I have to.
But under no circumstances should a characters history (employment, past names) be erased. Also, the original name should stay unavailable and when viewed in People & Places it will say '2012 11 11: Altered Ego changed his name to His Cooler Name'.
Of course all this can be uncovered by searching a characters employment history, but there should also be a function in the API the directly says 'this guy used to be called Altered Ego'. Pains should be taken to make it very easy for anyone to track down anyone else's history.
As an aside, when some one changes corp, there should a selection of reasons that can be selected by whoever is making the change ranging from 'blank', 'got a better offer', 'booted for inactivity' to 'this jerk is a thief, don't trust him.
I'm happy to sleep in the bed I've made... I just want new sheets. |
Verfanny
Seamap Solutions
2
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Posted - 2012.11.21 15:32:00 -
[122] - Quote
Like I said in the last name change topic, I would actually pay for it. I like my name as it is an actual name here, but I later discovered, through some kid in WoW threatening to have me banned, that ***** meant something else in English. My goal was not to offend anyone or try to have a clever and childish name. But I received no such threats in EVE, because, I assume, the average player is more mature. |
Demolishar
United Aggression
442
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Posted - 2012.11.21 15:42:00 -
[123] - Quote
Verfanny wrote:Like I said in the last name change topic, I would actually pay for it. I like my name as it is an actual name here, but I later discovered, through some kid in WoW threatening to have me banned, that ***** meant something else in English. My goal was not to offend anyone or try to have a clever and childish name. But I received no such threats in EVE, because, I assume, the average player is more mature.
Your name is offensive, reported. |
TheBlueMonkey
Don't Be a Menace
186
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Posted - 2012.11.21 15:45:00 -
[124] - Quote
Tom Gerard wrote:The problem:
Everytime I look for a character on the Bazaar he turns out to be a corp thief or otherwise unwelcome.
Solution:
Offer paid name changes that include a full history wipe.
$100 per character, would reduce abuse of the mechanic, maybe even only allow it on transferred characters.
The Bazaar is not nearly as awesome as it could be, make it that awesome!
What are you, drunk? |
Christy D Floyd
Astra Research
100
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Posted - 2012.11.21 16:08:00 -
[125] - Quote
ISD Praetoxx wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already It seems to be a topic that comes up again and again. IF it does get implemented, a history of past names/corps should be a given. And only a unique never before used name would be permitted as a replacement. Afterall, when you guys purchase a new character, you want to make your own history, not inherit it! Alternatively you could always wait for the 'Power of 2' offer when it comes around again.
Way to plug the power of 2. Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. |
Realityfirst
Cobra Kai Dojo WHY so Seri0Us
4
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Posted - 2012.11.21 16:10:00 -
[126] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Dave stark wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already while i'd love to be able to change the name of a purchased character as some way to signify it has a new owner, at the same time it'd be too easy for people to abuse it. the cost and hassle of a character transfer is nothing in comparison to effectively erasing an entire character's history, even if you can see past aliases since very few people would really bother to check. i think it has more drawbacks than benefits, personally. edit: where would it stop? if you can change your name, why not your corp history, etc. Oh, I see your point completely. It's hard to distinguish where the line would be, and on a personal level I wouldn't support being able to erase or modify a character's corporation history at all. Your history of employment in EVE should always be your character's legacy, and you should on that basis pick and choose whom you work for carefully. There's some good points being brought forward in this thread
How about A condenced corp history listing ie: you've joined and left the same corp a few times (faction warfare). Your corp history would have something like a drop-down tab for each corp, listing the dates joined and left. Rather then a long list.
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Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars Fade 2 Black
5383
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Posted - 2012.11.21 16:26:00 -
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Verfanny wrote:Like I said in the last name change topic, I would actually pay for it. I like my name as it is an actual name here, but I later discovered, through some kid in WoW threatening to have me banned, that ***** meant something else in English. My goal was not to offend anyone or try to have a clever and childish name. But I received no such threats in EVE, because, I assume, the average player is more mature. Ok now i'm curious as I use to play WoW and I got a way with a lot of horrible names there. What letter does it begin with? Or better yet, just send it EVE mail if your worried.
Sorry, if this is off topic but she makes a valid point. How then does CCP determine which names are offensive when some offensive words mean something totally different in other countries and regions? And let's say that one does slip through the crack, does CCP contact you and make you change your name? If it is offesive but is still usable, when does CCP contact you to change the name? Are you only contacted if it's reported?
Let's say someone does create an offensive name and it gets through but later the player realizes their mistake and wants to take initiative to change it before it's reported. Would they have to pay for a character name change or could they just file a petition? Best thread ever!!!
Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke |
It'sNotMyFaultYourMother ThrewYouAway
University of Caille Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.11.21 16:34:00 -
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I've bought multiple characters (with very limited history) and I've always wanted to change their Russian-like names to something more sane. I me4n, 1 m1gh7 hav3 wr1tten la1k d1s 10 years ago but I've grown up now. My oldest real characters have names a 12 year old came up with. |
Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
108
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Posted - 2012.11.21 16:39:00 -
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Does that mean you'll sacrifice all the historically important posts you've made?
Perhaps return to the marketplace having accomplished your ingame goals?
Wouldn't a name change alter the entries on the forums? |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
250
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Posted - 2012.11.21 16:45:00 -
[130] - Quote
Borascus wrote:Does that mean you'll sacrifice all the historically important posts you've made?
Perhaps return to the marketplace having accomplished your ingame goals?
Wouldn't a name change alter the entries on the forums?
Any database driven piece of software (like these forums) should be keyed off a unique ID, not a string of text (like a name). If I sell a toon, that unique ID identifies that toon across the EveO infrastructure; a easily modifiable piece of text should never be used for anything of any importance whatsoever. |
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Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars Fade 2 Black
5385
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Posted - 2012.11.21 16:45:00 -
[131] - Quote
Borascus wrote:Does that mean you'll sacrifice all the historically important posts you've made?
Perhaps return to the marketplace having accomplished your ingame goals?
Wouldn't a name change alter the entries on the forums? It would be about the same as an avater picture change. Best thread ever!!!
Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke |
Kapt Krunch
Eclipse Navy Get Off My Lawn
7
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Posted - 2012.11.21 17:42:00 -
[132] - Quote
I am the third owner of one of my characters. He has the most skill points of all and is my most important character. It has come to my attention that the original owner is a bit of a scumbag in real life and I am a bit ashamed that I am associated to him thru this character. I would pay cash money to be able to change that name. I would even pay just to change one letter in that name. |
Ginger Achura
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
28
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:01:00 -
[133] - Quote
I haven't read the entire thread, but a change of name - and name change only I'm for. Some names are just bullcrap, and if you have bought a character off the bazaar you should be able to rename your newly acquired character. But I'm 100% against alteration of your character. It should be the same character; corporation history, security status and all that. Just like in real life: you're allowed to change your name, but you can't change your history - you're still the same person. "For hundreds of years my community has enjoyed cheddar cheese and pineapple on a stick" - William Ulsterman |
Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars Fade 2 Black
5397
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:16:00 -
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Ginger Achura wrote:I haven't read the entire thread, but a change of name - and name change only I'm for. Some names are just bullcrap, and if you have bought a character off the bazaar you should be able to rename your newly acquired character. But I'm 100% against alteration of your character. It should be the same character; corporation history, security status and all that. Just like in real life: you're allowed to change your name, but you can't change your history - you're still the same person. http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2008/09/securitymatters_0904
It is actually really easy to wipe your history and assume a completely different identity in real life. You just have to have connections. This is technically illegal if caught in the real world. But in EVE, it should be perfectly legit. A history wipe should be a separate option though with a note in employment history that states "previous employment records seem to be missing" or something obscure to give the readers a hint of the wipe so they can inquire about it. It all depends on the persons ability to lie about his/her employment history effectively to be able to pull off espionage and such. Best thread ever!!!
Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke |
Cyalume
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
4
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Posted - 2012.11.21 18:20:00 -
[135] - Quote
If you bought a character on the forums, you knew the name before you put the ISK down. Moaning about it afterward is a lame excuse.
Against the name change idea.
If Eve is a sandbox that boasts how one person can shape the destiny of others, being able to change that name is to erase that destiny. Ultimately losing an aspect of Eve that has made it and continues to make it unique.
The only thing I'd like to see added to the corp history is perhaps a bullet point or marker that somehow shows the character was moved from one account to another. Making it easier to tell if the character was perhaps sold. |
Squealing Piglet
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.11.25 22:29:00 -
[136] - Quote
And then there are people like me...look at my name, look at it...Squealing Piglet--god I hate my name so much. But the stats were exactly what I wanted on the character bazaar, so I bought her despite the unflattering name.
Princess Grizelda Gondardrakken; now that's regal, lol. But no...I'm a screaming pig, or a squealing piglet, or whatever. I really like the idea of being able to change your name, but having a button or scroll-over that will allow players to see your name history (otherwise it would be abused by scammers and corp thieves).
CCP, I will pay you good money to let me change my name. |
Julius Priscus
13
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Posted - 2012.11.26 01:39:00 -
[137] - Quote
why not pay 6 plex's and have all the chars skill points moved to another char of your choosing? |
Zoctrine
Perkone Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.11.26 02:52:00 -
[138] - Quote
Yes to Name Change, keeping all history and old names records, really don't see why not... |
Vince Snetterton
212
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Posted - 2012.11.26 06:22:00 -
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Why is this being discussed at all?
All the propagandists tell us incessantly that Eve is a harsh place, and if you can't tough it out, go back to WoW.
So how about two words: "Caveat Emptor". You want to buy a char, you do your research on it. You buy it and it has a terrible rep, well, sucks to be you. Do better research next time.
If people cab scam billions from others in corp thefts, or blow up freighters in high sec and laugh about it in local, then why should people not be able to be scammed by buying a char with an tainted history? Test settings. |
Tom Gerard
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
646
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Posted - 2012.11.26 08:15:00 -
[140] - Quote
Vince Snetterton wrote:Why is this being discussed at all?
All the propagandists tell us incessantly that Eve is a harsh place, and if you can't tough it out, go back to WoW.
So how about two words: "Caveat Emptor". You want to buy a char, you do your research on it. You buy it and it has a terrible rep, well, sucks to be you. Do better research next time.
If people cab scam billions from others in corp thefts, or blow up freighters in high sec and laugh about it in local, then why should people not be able to be scammed by buying a char with an tainted history?
I agree we should remove all protections from EVE, you have no idea how much fun it would be CONCORD to be vulnerable to pod pilots, change nothing but make it legal to scam CONCORD.
But in reality CONCORD provides a measure of control and civility to the game that makes it fun for other people... CONCORD could feasibly extend this "Deus Ex Machina" power across the Character Bazaar so EVE becomes more of a game and less of a endless research project. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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Ugolovnik
0
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Posted - 2012.11.26 09:01:00 -
[141] - Quote
Julius Priscus wrote:why not pay 6 plex's and have all the chars skill points moved to another char of your choosing? Bad idea. People will buy the characters, empty and discard. In this case it will be "skills = money" rather than "skills = Time" |
Quack Mallard
Zebra Corp Gentlemen's Agreement
7
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Posted - 2012.11.26 09:04:00 -
[142] - Quote
Maybe changing the name and/or deleting the players history etc is a step too far. Maybe adding some kind of character ownership change to the corp history could work.
For example i'm in a corp, I sell my character on the bazaar to someone else. The new owner fills out some kind of new ownership form which is sent to CCP, most likely an automated service. As soon as it is cleared the character leaves the corp automatically and joins an NPC corp which would be displayed in the corp history of that character.
That corp move could be highlighted in a different colour and there could be a link to some kind of transaction history, maybe showing how much it was sold for, or just a link to the OP on the bazaar.
Ofcourse this could be abused, and used to make it look like someone new has bought the account, when infact it's just been traded to an alt. But personally I think that a name change or history delete would probably be abused on a larger scale.
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Gillia Winddancer
Shiny Noble Crown Services
126
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Posted - 2012.11.26 09:32:00 -
[143] - Quote
"Consequences" not being an appreciated term these days by some huh?
Name-changing aside (only valid reason to change a name would be if you really picked a silly name in the first place and now regret it).
As for everything else, I find it rather amusing that EVE, being a game where consequences are one of it's corner stones, now have players that seemingly want to break said stone. I wonder what that says about those said players in the first place.
I for one would never touch any kind of "history wipe" feature if one was ever implemented. Whether I ever make a mistake in a game or not doesn't matter, that history is mine regardless and is a part that defines my character. Not that I have much that fills out, but that is still my history. I've stuck to a couple of corps during these 3 or so years (minus the time I was inactive). If I've been to 100+ corps during this time for whatever reason then that would end up being my history.
And on a side-note, I think that the character bazaar always has been a huge mistake. A bit like an entry point for the kind of players that perhaps should have picked a different game instead of EVE.
But that's my own personal opinion as I am one who will not ever sell my character for any reason regardless of how far it will end up going.
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Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
237
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Posted - 2012.11.26 09:47:00 -
[144] - Quote
The word consequence is a tricky one though. In EVE you are really only held to your own standard and post 23 is me as well, on a different account. Having already said that, I look at Ioci and the Skill card and I chuckle at some of them. I still wouldn't auction her. Those "mistakes" are her more than anything else.
I can see people objecting to this. It's immersion breaking but there is so much min/maxing and I-Win, immersion is almost a liability. Name change to sell a char is code for selling SP because the char means nothing. R.I.P. Vile Rat |
Ian Isk
Sounds Legit
11
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Posted - 2012.11.26 09:53:00 -
[145] - Quote
Paid name change should be implemented in this manner:
-You pay a plex or two to change your name. -Both the old name and the new name links to your character, but only the new one is displayed in the name field. -A list of previous names is visible in the character sheet.
Corp history should remain the same. There should be no way of escaping your previous choices. If you bought a character that was involved in scams, you did not do your research. |
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
982
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Posted - 2012.11.26 11:08:00 -
[146] - Quote
Ian Isk wrote:Paid name change should be implemented in this manner:
-You pay a plex or two to change your name. -Both the old name and the new name links to your character, but only the new one is displayed in the name field. -A list of previous names is visible in the character sheet.
Corp history should remain the same. There should be no way of escaping your previous choices. If you bought a character that was involved in scams, you did not do your research.
+1. This is acceptable. Sounds Legit Personnel Division Director --áBene Gesserit Chapterhouse
"The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another." - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Drekarg
Enslave.
7
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Posted - 2012.11.26 11:30:00 -
[147] - Quote
Ian Isk wrote:Paid name change should be implemented in this manner:
-You pay a plex or two to change your name. -Both the old name and the new name links to your character, but only the new one is displayed in the name field. -A list of previous names is visible in the character sheet.
Corp history should remain the same. There should be no way of escaping your previous choices. If you bought a character that was involved in scams, you did not do your research.
This, new name with the old name and legacy linked to it.
Deleting corp history is not in the faith of the game, you are what you are and where you've been.
Plenty of fish in the sea/plenty of pods in space choose your chars carefully when browsing the bazaar |
Camper101
eHarmony Inc. Brushie Brushie Brushie
1
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Posted - 2012.11.26 11:48:00 -
[148] - Quote
Changing names should not be. Not in a decision heavy game like EvE. If you buy a char, live with his past or get another one. Or just make your own alt, skill exactly the way you want, chose its name and ruin his history yourself! Like a sir! |
Siigari Kitawa
Push Industries Push Interstellar Network
231
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Posted - 2012.11.26 12:20:00 -
[149] - Quote
I already have a dislike towards the prominence of alts in Eve. I personally see the Character Bazaar as a strange place where somebody can trade money for a quick fix.
Isn't Eve supposed to be about working your own skills to achieve what you want? Need stuff moved? Push Industries will handle it. Serving highsec, lowsec and nullsec - and we do it faster and more reliably than anyone else. Ingame channel: PUSHX |
Merouk Baas
7
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Posted - 2012.11.26 22:51:00 -
[150] - Quote
It's about achieving what you want; the skills are a block, to be honest. Guy wants to be in a carrier right away, more power to him, let him take his carrier out the next day and lose it learning how to fly it properly.
With incursions, plexes, and now the upgraded NPC AI, we're looking at battleship + logi fleets as the "average" gameplay. 0.0 warfare is about caps / supercaps. Yeah you can participate in PVP as a newbie, but it's disheartening when you realize 4 years training time to get to the shiny / fun. On the other hand, because of level caps, the other MMO's let you catch up with the average playerbase in, at most, half a year.
Anyway, digressing a little bit. Allow the name changes so that character transfers are made easier / more enticing for those newbies who want them and are rich enough to afford them. Put a warning in the Character Bazaar that the old name and the corp history will still be attached to the character / viewable. |
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Benilopax
Solar Storm Intrepid Crossing
373
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Posted - 2012.11.26 23:01:00 -
[151] - Quote
I have no problem with it as long as it has a quite specific and easily identifiable known aliases tag. ... |
YuuKnow
Inner 5phere
444
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Posted - 2012.11.27 00:05:00 -
[152] - Quote
Thorn Galen wrote:Ian Isk wrote:Paid name change should be implemented in this manner:
-You pay a plex or two to change your name. -Both the old name and the new name links to your character, but only the new one is displayed in the name field. -A list of previous names is visible in the character sheet.
Corp history should remain the same. There should be no way of escaping your previous choices. If you bought a character that was involved in scams, you did not do your research. +1. This is acceptable. Sounds Legit
I'ld add the caveat that only a limited number of name changes are permitted.
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Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
198
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Posted - 2012.11.27 00:19:00 -
[153] - Quote
Tom Gerard wrote:The problem:
Everytime I look for a character on the Bazaar he turns out to be a corp thief or otherwise unwelcome.
Solution:
Offer paid name changes that include a full history wipe.
$100 per character, would reduce abuse of the mechanic, maybe even only allow it on transferred characters.
The Bazaar is not nearly as awesome as it could be, make it that awesome!
The answer is NO you can not change HISTORY. Can we fixs ****** to? NO. You can not change it. Thats why people say use your brain for ones when you going to rogue like that. |
Squealing Piglet
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.11.27 03:53:00 -
[154] - Quote
I largely agree with the comments above regarding mixed feelings about the existence of a character bazaar, creating a situation where someone can "buy in", rather than spend the hard earned time cutting their teeth in a noobship with 2mil sp. I really think the process of slowly progressing through the hard knocks of the eve universe is what makes the game fun. It's a strangely ironic opinion for me to have considering that I'm voicing it from a toon I bought on the character bazaar.
I originally did start from scratch, with a legitimate character, with a legitimate name during the days of apocrypha. But I started to play too much--way too much, and I decided the only way to quit was to first kill my character, and so I tossed her into the recycling fires. And she did scream. A year later I decided to start playing again, but the thought of having to grow through the same ship progressions I already mastered, with lousy skills just sounded tedious. So I searched the bazaar for a few weeks to find a character whose skills were as close as possible to my dearly departed. And so here I am, oink, oink.
I guess my point is...wait, what were we talking about? |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Intrepid Crossing
84
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Posted - 2012.11.27 09:08:00 -
[155] - Quote
to the OP,,,,, Terribad idea........ to everyone else who's interested in this,,,,,,,,, you made your bed now sleep in it ! |
WilliamMays
Stuffs Inc.
22
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Posted - 2012.11.27 11:13:00 -
[156] - Quote
If you allow corp history removal, we'll just wind up tracking it with websites like wow players (not sure if they do this any more)
History is very important in eve; your good and bad deeds should follow you everywhere. Allowing either of these to be wiped clean would be a major mistake.
As far as buying characters, tell the seller the name sucks -2 bil or whatever. A pathetic / stupid / annoying name is the price you pay for being impatient / lazy and not training it yourself. |
Spacing Cowboy
Ordo Drakonis Nulli Secunda
30
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Posted - 2012.11.27 14:51:00 -
[157] - Quote
Reputation is one of the rare things in eve you cant buy,
Lets keep it that way
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
448
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Posted - 2012.11.27 18:57:00 -
[158] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Perhaps it could be a one-off offering specifically FOR character trades then?
I like this idea of the Character bazar transactions possibly having optional fees of 1 PLEX each for wiping the employment history and/or name change
Seems to me if a diferent person is buying the toon then the previous owners reputation should not be following ( either helping or hurting) the new owner. Also this may go towards proving to CCP that the RMT on the toons was done under a diferent name so people who purchase toons don't get banned for the previous owners malfeasance. Meta-gaming for NULL SECCers: Whine on the forums until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. Typical NULL SEC arguement to NERF HI SEC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csPPqdbcVwM |
destiny2
47
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Posted - 2012.11.27 19:21:00 -
[159] - Quote
So you want to change your name and clear your corp history, okay fine simple solution. send yourself a buddy program invite,. create a new char, and guess what you just did that for less then 100$ :O you just saved money WOOT! |
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
13
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Posted - 2012.11.30 15:04:00 -
[160] - Quote
ISD Praetoxx wrote:Guys, please try stay on-topic and avoid the trolling. I know it is hard for some of you
Are you trolling the trollers now? ^^ |
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Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars Fade 2 Black
6714
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Posted - 2012.11.30 15:28:00 -
[161] - Quote
Corp Spies: AARRGGGHHH!!!! My name and history sucks!!! Change it, change it, change it...
Eve community: NO!!! *with one foot held on spies' chest*
Me: Actually, your history can be changed if you know the right people irl. This whole "you can not change your history" mentallity is complete BS and unrealistic. If this game is truly a sandbox with limitless possiblity, then name and history changes are and should be completely possible. Granted, diifficult it should be but still doable.
BTW, do you really know someones history? Even if they tell you, should you still trust them.
This boils down to players actually learning how to communicate and how to read people effectively and not just going by a list of previous assignments. Employers take this risk everyday when they review and interview potential hires. It introduces a whole new level of gameplay. Best thread ever!!!
Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
306
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Posted - 2012.11.30 16:41:00 -
[162] - Quote
ISD Praetoxx wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Quote:It seems to be a topic that comes up again and again . IF it does get implemented, a history of past names/corps should be a given. And only a unique never before used name would be permitted as a replacement. Afterall, when you guys purchase a new character, you want to make your own history, not inherit it! Alternatively you could always wait for the 'Power of 2' offer when it comes around again.
Under that logic local intel should be gone tomorrow. |
Mariadar
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.11.30 18:35:00 -
[163] - Quote
I would also welcome the option to change name.
If it was technically possible, we could have a history of previous aliases / names and their employment history (using simple drop-down boxes perhaps?).
For example: Name 1 - corp1, corp2, corp3 Name2 - corp3, corp4
I think this might be handy for the characters that get sold as you would almost start a clean slate, but if the name had a bad reputation they could still check it and check with the respective corps.
I think we all agree on having some sort of name history and using the above mentioned method might also help with the previous corp employments. But instead of wiping the history it would rather sort it. Essentially history and reputation is tied to the name and not the character. |
Verushka Atreides
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.11.30 18:36:00 -
[164] - Quote
I totally disagree with allowing name changes, corp wipes, or anything that impacts the legacy of the char (including, contract histories etc). You are buying/selling the character, not parts of the character. everything is included, good and bad.
If you named your Char l333t pewpew0mgawd then you are the dumb ass who did so. Own up to it Mr pewpew0mgawd.
Changing name before selling it to increase it's attractiveness / value / attempt to hide should not be allowed. As for buyers who want the char but not the name, tough luck, packaged deal roll your own with the name you want then. You are stuck with the name it has just like you are stuck with the SP in things you don't want.
On that note, I think CCP needs to look into releasing names, particularly trial accounts that have been inactive for 6+ months. I doubt very much that people who have rolled a trial, played for 2 days, and never logged in again are ever coming back to that account.
I suppose you could refrain from deleting them, as there are already are processes to name chars yyyyCitizenxxxx arn't there? In those circumstances upon their return selecting a new name would be reasonable. In that case you would be looking at chars that have had no chance to make a significant history, have no significant sp, value etc.
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Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars Fade 2 Black
6730
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Posted - 2012.11.30 20:13:00 -
[165] - Quote
Ok, I've been reading both sides of this issue and I understand where some of you are coming from. But, I also see that most of it is from a moral stand point, including you CCP Falcon.
I also understand that CCP wants to keep their hands out of the actual player interactions as much as possible.
Here is an idea that I purpose.
How about there is a skill tree that allows for characters to change other characters names and manipulate their personal history. (Notice I said manipulate, I'll come back to that.) Now, the characters who train these skills still can not change their own name or personal history. There could be other restriction based on security status and what not. (haven't really thought about that side of it yet).
Back to the manipulation of player history. Depending on the character's skill level will determine how far back they can manipulate the other character's history. There could also be an invisible tag that is left behind on the altered character to show that it has been manipulated. Yes, invisible.
On the reverse side, there would be a counter skill under say corp management. Depending on the skill level will determine if and how far back you can see that tag that is usually invisible to the unskilled character. If you don't train this skill, it's your own fault if your corp gets robbed. Remember, consequences of your choices.
What this has the potential to do for EVE:
1. Encourage more player interaction, and not just scams. 2. Creates another player based service. 3. Creates another means for the velocity of isk (transfer of isk from one character to another) to help with the ingame economy and inflation(granted not much on the inflation) 4. I'm sure there are a few others but my brain isn't working right now.
These are just thoughts and ideas. If you can think of anything to add please do so. I'm only looking for constructive criticism and one line comments will be ignored unless it does make a quick valid point. I will admit this is a rough outline and probably has a few holes in it but I'm sure we can figure something out that can please both sides of this argument.
The very essence of this topic is EVE. There are no rules or regulations against this kind of thing because it is an anything goes kind of game (new player harassment aside). To me it would NOT make sense to leave this aspect of the game out of EVE. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
566
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Posted - 2012.11.30 20:27:00 -
[166] - Quote
No name changes at all period end of discussion. If you poop your pants in the dream, then you poop your pants for real. Names have consequences. The consequence of not training for something yourself and buying a used second (or third, fourth, etc..) hand toon is being stuck with that toons legacy. If you want a clean legacy/name, you must make a clean character and have all the growing pains associated with it. Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
306
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Posted - 2012.12.01 00:23:00 -
[167] - Quote
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:No name changes at all period end of discussion. If you poop your pants in the dream, then you poop your pants for real. Names have consequences. The consequence of not training for something yourself and buying a used second (or third, fourth, etc..) hand toon is being stuck with that toons legacy. If you want a clean legacy/name, you must make a clean character and have all the growing pains associated with it.
Chech. Preach on Passtah. |
Xpaulusx
Naari LLC
108
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Posted - 2012.12.01 04:51:00 -
[168] - Quote
Namechange/Employment History deletion? Absolutly not.........as we say here in New York " You make your bed, you sleep in it Pal" New Player retention is important to our community. |
Tom Gerard
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
651
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Posted - 2012.12.01 05:34:00 -
[169] - Quote
Xpaulusx wrote:Namechange/Employment History deletion? Absolutly not.........as we say here in New York " You make your bed, you sleep in it Pal"
... oh boy New York stupidity now in this thread. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Simetraz
State War Academy Caldari State
463
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Posted - 2012.12.01 06:23:00 -
[170] - Quote
I guess you have to ask what a person is purchasing when they buy a Character.
You should really just be purchasing it for the Skill Points and NPC standings. Let be honest any reputation good or bad was done by another person. That person is no longer in control and as such that rep is now null in void.
I think You should be forced to change the name. All corp History should be wiped. And a line inserted stating the date of purchase.
But this should only happen when some buys a character, this should not be a option for someone who just wants to clear there record. EVERYBODY KNOWS |
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J'Poll
Kings of the Underground Side Effect.
580
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Posted - 2012.12.03 19:15:00 -
[171] - Quote
Tom Gerard wrote:The problem:
Everytime I look for a character on the Bazaar he turns out to be a corp thief or otherwise unwelcome.
Solution:
Offer paid name changes that include a full history wipe.
$100 per character, would reduce abuse of the mechanic, maybe even only allow it on transferred characters.
The Bazaar is not nearly as awesome as it could be, make it that awesome!
NO
Look better on the bazaar...Plenty of characters for sale without a ruined reputation...Then again, they might not be as cheap you want them to be.
Your idea jsut makes people with money have more ability then people without money. AKA pay2win feature is back....Guys assemble in Jita on the monument...
EDIT:
Also, if you buy some character from the forums, you can always use the same thread in the future to proof you have bought that character. Old look Corporation recruitment thread Corporation Website |
Alxea
Blood RaiderZ. Disaster Strikes
104
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Posted - 2012.12.03 20:21:00 -
[172] - Quote
Lipbite wrote:I believe you've forgot to wear your monocle.
P.S. PLEX could / should be sufficient for name change service.
Monocle you say!? |
Lord Calus
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
58
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Posted - 2012.12.03 20:26:00 -
[173] - Quote
I would be a fan of having characters bought/sold on the Bazaar having their corp history wiped. It is going to a new owner, so the history is effectively null before the point of sale.
DoB at char creation date. Redacted history from creation date to sale/xfer date. Normal corp history with starter corp being on date of x-fer completion. |
Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars Fade 2 Black
7024
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Posted - 2012.12.03 21:32:00 -
[174] - Quote
I say release the ability to change names and history but don't tell anyone that it has been released. Let's see how long it takes for people to catch on.
I know it's technically illegal to not tell us but it could be obscure wording in patch notes. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Talos Kemak
Viziam Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:06:00 -
[175] - Quote
I haven't read others ideas but here's my opinion and solution: I think that name change and corp history should be allowed to be erased, but at the same time an option of history search should be added to a locator/ public relationships agent for 'x' amount of isk. This way corp history is not really erased but hidden very well, and for the right amount of isk it can be revealed to you after let's say 3 days. Also I believe that time stamp from your corp history should be completely erased... I think it silly to show someone's age in this game simply because it ruins things for new players as it marks them as a fresh target and in the same time It harms old players because new players are so freakishly afraid of anyone who is older than 6 month.
Wrote this from my phone,my apologies for any grammatical mistakes. |
Tazarak theDeceiver
Malleus Labiarum Solar Citizens
28
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:17:00 -
[176] - Quote
I would give any sum of money to change my name. I'd even eat hakarl.
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Scavy Proximus
Liberty Storm
0
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Posted - 2012.12.03 22:34:00 -
[177] - Quote
I'm all against name changes and clearing of history, this is EVE, one of the most ruthless and savage games in existence..
If you buy a character then you buy it with it's name and history, and if the character has a history as a corp thief or what is worse, then it should be that much cheaper to buy. |
snakebreath
The Last Call. Against ALL Anomalies
0
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Posted - 2012.12.04 09:55:00 -
[178] - Quote
Grog Barrel wrote:A world without repercussions? Sounds ****** to be honest.
Why the hell not, can change your name in rl too.... |
J'Poll
Kings of the Underground Side Effect.
581
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Posted - 2012.12.04 10:01:00 -
[179] - Quote
Please do it....
I will trow some PLEXes into the system and just claim a lot of names...
Have you thought of the downside that EVERY time you rename you have to think of something totally unique.
Atm when a character is biomassed his name comes open again for use, when you do have history in names, it isn't possible cause it means multiple people have the same name in their history. Old look Corporation recruitment thread Corporation Website |
infra52x
University of Caille Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.12.04 10:14:00 -
[180] - Quote
J'Poll wrote:Please do it....
I will trow some PLEXes into the system and just claim a lot of names...
Have you thought of the downside that EVERY time you rename you have to think of something totally unique.
Atm when a character is biomassed his name comes open again for use, when you do have history in names, it isn't possible cause it means multiple people have the same name in their history.
EDIT:
Usually say in New Citizen part of forum that stupid ideas and questions don't exist.
You have just showed how wrong I was.
Your right, it could never work out....If it could than other MMOs probably would have already adopted it.....Oh wait......
BTW, I just ran into a guy at work today that had the same name as me, John Brown..... |
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Alayna Le'line
Battery Acid Skinny Dippers
30
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Posted - 2012.12.04 10:27:00 -
[181] - Quote
Dave stark wrote:ISD Praetoxx wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already It seems to be a topic that comes up again and again. IF it does get implemented, a history of past names should be a given. And only a unique never before used name would be permitted as a replacement. Afterall, when you guys purchase a new character, you want to make your own history, not inherit it! Alternatively you could always wait for the 'Power of 2' offer when it comes around again. the problem with that is you accelerate the situation where the only unused username is "sandy mcballbag". this is why i hated making alts on WoW, with 10 character slots per account per server people had level 1 characters to reserve names. the hardest part of making a new character was finding a name that wasn't taken and wasn't jibberish.
Being able to pick a surname (that matters) helps with this. When I started using this first name for characters it was uncommon, nowadays they're a dime a dozen, same goes for my regular nickname (which I can't easily change, having used it for well over 10years now).
The problem with WoW (and EverQuest and TOR and the rest of them) is that even if they have surname support it's not considered part of your character name, how realistic is it to have only one guy named "Tom" in the entire world (or universe)? Arguably name/surname isn't excactly unique irl either but it vastly increases the number of sane combinations you can come up with before having to revert to stupid stuff like "T00000OOOOM56423141234".
As for the topic, no name changes please. It just opens up Pandora's box. Though only showing the x most recent corps a character has been in by default would be nice (if you need more you can request the rest, of course), loading that list can take ages on some characters (very old ones or just plain corp hoppers) |
Lord Ra
Section 14
1
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Posted - 2012.12.04 11:31:00 -
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Name changes yes, but corporation history has to stay.
CCP you could make a killing on allowing name changes, many of us want to pay you for a virtual service that eventually could be manned by 1-2 devs after the initial rush so why you no offer?.
inb4 'plex for depoll' |
Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
216
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Posted - 2012.12.04 12:07:00 -
[183] - Quote
Lord Ra wrote:Name changes yes, but corporation history has to stay. CCP you could make a killing on allowing name changes, many of us want to pay you for a virtual service that eventually could be manned by 1-2 devs after the initial rush so why you no offer?. inb4 'plex for depoll'
All no this is sandbox not cleaning the carpet when you doing something wrong. No and no. You want it try to play world of warcraft the do this thing for you. In eve all action comes always back to you. Use your brain before you do something wrong or mess up your names. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Intrepid Crossing
86
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Posted - 2012.12.04 12:08:00 -
[184] - Quote
short answer NO ! |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Intrepid Crossing
86
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Posted - 2012.12.04 12:09:00 -
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long answer
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
792
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Posted - 2012.12.04 12:30:00 -
[186] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
No. Just no. AFK-cloaking in a system near you. |
Abu Tarynnia
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.12.04 12:44:00 -
[187] - Quote
Johan Civire wrote:Lord Ra wrote:Name changes yes, but corporation history has to stay. CCP you could make a killing on allowing name changes, many of us want to pay you for a virtual service that eventually could be manned by 1-2 devs after the initial rush so why you no offer?. inb4 'plex for depoll' All no this is sandbox not cleaning the carpet when you doing something wrong. No and no. You want it try to play world of warcraft the do this thing for you. In eve all action comes always back to you. Use your brain before you do something wrong or mess up your names.
What ?! It's a service, it's paid for, it's ok since this is EVE .. the ultimate capitalistic game ever. So if I can buy it EVE / CCP should provide it. No problem with that. Either be consequent or begone. |
Anna Shoul
18
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Posted - 2012.12.04 12:49:00 -
[188] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea.
There is simply no way to prevent one method of wiping the slate clean -- biomassing the character, or letting the account lapse, i.e. stopping playing. Social bankruptcy by suicide is impossible to stop.
The only beef one can have with the idea of renaming characters and wiping their history after resale that I find reasonable is that the criminal doesn't just 'wipe the slate clean', i.e. avoids reprecussions to his future play by no longer having a connection with the reputation incurred for criminal actions, (Abandoning the character or the entire account does exactly that as well.) but also gets compensation for resources he would otherwise have to abandon together with the reputation, i.e. skillpoints.
As it currently stands, by reselling the character with poor reputation, you merely hoist this reputation on some other player, while still getting rid of it yourself. In theory it should reflect on sale price -- but why not, for example, make this reflection on price mandatory? I.e. during resale, the seller can elect for the character corp history, name and face to get wiped, to be selected anew by the buyer upon transfer, for a price in ISK equal to something of the 80% of the final sale price, payable by the seller upon transfer? This way, the buyer gets his ISK's worth of skillpoints with no strings he had no control over, the seller get something, but not that much, some ISK gets removed from the economy (always a good thing, I'm told) and everyone's happy? |
Serith Ellecon
Keepers of the Abyss High Rollers
2
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Posted - 2012.12.04 13:05:00 -
[189] - Quote
Name changing should only be allowed in the first 30 days of a character's life, or immediately after CCP changes it for any of their reasons. A 30 day old toon is barely out of the trial,, and should be granted a little leniency. You could add a few requirements, like low total asset values (even over the toon's life) and a positive sec status, or lack of a bounty to prevent scamming alts doing this. |
Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars Fade 2 Black
7119
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Posted - 2012.12.04 14:49:00 -
[190] - Quote
I just want to point out that arguing against name changes is pointless. I heard every single one of these arguments to the "T" on the WoW forums before they did paid name changes a few years back. It will be a service. If you don't like it, don't use it. Plain and simple. But most importantly, don't push your "moral" obligations to oppose it on to others. That's called fascism. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
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Alayna Le'line
Battery Acid Skinny Dippers
30
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Posted - 2012.12.04 16:03:00 -
[191] - Quote
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:I just want to point out that arguing against name changes is pointless. I heard every single one of these arguments to the "T" on the WoW forums before they did paid name changes a few years back.
Character reputation stopped mattering in WoW years ago when they introduced other systems that reduced accountability for your actions to zero (eg. LFG). Before that there were public blacklists on realms for known idiots, those people were actively shunned by the vast majority of the server population, sort of like known corp thieves and the likes in EVE. Coincidentally the atmosphere on realms in general and in dungeon groups in particular was a lot better back then...
I like to think that accountability is one of the things that sets EVE's leveling system apart, if you soil your reputation in some way it has big implications, unlike in WoW where you can just max out a new character in a month or so (or just transfer to a realm where nobody knows you...).
Quote: It will be a service. If you don't like it, don't use it. Plain and simple. Because you not using it means you're not affected by it, right?... |
Renier Gaden
Exanimo Inc Unclaimed.
26
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Posted - 2012.12.04 16:23:00 -
[192] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already I favour the ability to change names based on the percentage of really bad or stupid names in EVE. I get the impression that many characters in EVE were created by people in a hurry to get started who did not want to waist time trying to come up with a good name that was not already taken.
I give props to people who took the time to make cool names such as Tinker Hell, and Large Collidable Object. I took the easy route and just picked a normal sounding name.
I like the idea of having a name history though. While I would like to see people be able to change their names, I donGÇÖt favour giving them the ability to wipe the slate clean.
I also think that the transfer of a character to a different account should be recorded in that characterGÇÖs corp history. That way if you buy a Corp Thief, you can show that your character was purchased after the infamous events. |
Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars Fade 2 Black
7148
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Posted - 2012.12.04 16:33:00 -
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Alayna Le'line wrote:Character reputation stopped mattering in WoW years ago when they introduced other systems that reduced accountability for your actions to zero (eg. LFG). Before that there were public blacklists on realms for known idiots, those people were actively shunned by the vast majority of the server population, sort of like known corp thieves and the likes in EVE. Coincidentally the atmosphere on realms in general and in dungeon groups in particular was a lot better back then... Not sure if your times have gotten switched up or what but name changes in WoW was out almost a whole year before LFG and all the other things you are talking about. Just sayin'.
Alayna Le'line wrote:I like to think that accountability is one of the things that sets EVE's leveling system apart, if you soil your reputation in some way it has big implications, unlike in WoW where you can just max out a new character in a month or so (or just transfer to a realm where nobody knows you...). Skill queue and reputation are 2 totally different things. As far as reputation goes, it is no different than WoW even with a character transfer. There are forums where people will give a heads up about specific players and such. Yes, it was cross realm. If you don't know how to do your research then It's not my problem.
Alayna Le'line wrote:Kenneth O'Hara wrote: It will be a service. If you don't like it, don't use it. Plain and simple. Because you not using it means you're not affected by it, right?... I never said I wasn't, I will say that I will be far better prepared for it. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Cpt Bunny
Serene Vendetta Li3 Federation
12
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Posted - 2012.12.04 16:58:00 -
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Heres an idea,
Make the 2 Functions of Character name change and removing corp history A Skills based ability trainable under the corp management section.
As it is, there is very little usage of those skills. By all means, make the requirements high but let the players have the ability to perform this action. As for changing a characters name, it could be done as "hacking" where the player with corp management skills has the ability to "hack" some concord record database, but the ability has a long cooldown or some other consequence such as a massive hit on sec status for the hacker. essentially the corp management skilled guy can sell his services for whatever the market settles on.
Changing your Corp list could be done in a similar way, but on a single entry per hack basis. someone with 20 corps to be removed can get one done at a time for a full 2.0 drop in the hackers standings.
at the same time this whole idea could be expanded on to include other areas to hack, such as the players standings with other entities, maybe even player corp entities. but at a severe cost? |
Mr M
Agony Unleashed
203
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:03:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote: I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.
No. In a perfect world it might work, but people would misuse the **** out of this.
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Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars Fade 2 Black
7151
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Posted - 2012.12.04 17:10:00 -
[196] - Quote
Cpt Bunny wrote:Heres an idea,
Make the 2 Functions of Character name change and removing corp history A Skills based ability trainable under the corp management section.
As it is, there is very little usage of those skills. By all means, make the requirements high but let the players have the ability to perform this action. As for changing a characters name, it could be done as "hacking" where the player with corp management skills has the ability to "hack" some concord record database, but the ability has a long cooldown or some other consequence such as a massive hit on sec status for the hacker. essentially the corp management skilled guy can sell his services for whatever the market settles on.
Changing your Corp list could be done in a similar way, but on a single entry per hack basis. someone with 20 corps to be removed can get one done at a time for a full 2.0 drop in the hackers standings.
at the same time this whole idea could be expanded on to include other areas to hack, such as the players standings with other entities, maybe even player corp entities. but at a severe cost? Thank you for making a well thought out post.
I completely agree that it should be a skill set that you have to train. What you can actually do is a little gray for me. Not because of morality but because of potential to becoming unbalanced and overpowering. Such as the ability to change standings with hacking. This means someone can just train the skills and never do a single mission to gain standings. Before you rebuttle this, think about 2 alts training the same skills for this. They could both change each other's standings. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
Alayna Le'line
Battery Acid Skinny Dippers
31
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Posted - 2012.12.04 20:46:00 -
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Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Alayna Le'line wrote:Character reputation stopped mattering in WoW years ago when they introduced other systems that reduced accountability for your actions to zero (eg. LFG). Before that there were public blacklists on realms for known idiots, those people were actively shunned by the vast majority of the server population, sort of like known corp thieves and the likes in EVE. Coincidentally the atmosphere on realms in general and in dungeon groups in particular was a lot better back then... Not sure if your times have gotten switched up or what but name changes in WoW was out almost a whole year before LFG and all the other things you are talking about. Just sayin'.
I am quite aware of that fact. We actually had a troll change names a few times on our realm, most WoW players don't exactly have enough of an investment in their characters to bother with name changes though.
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:Alayna Le'line wrote:I like to think that accountability is one of the things that sets EVE's leveling system apart, if you soil your reputation in some way it has big implications, unlike in WoW where you can just max out a new character in a month or so (or just transfer to a realm where nobody knows you...). Skill queue and reputation are 2 totally different things. As far as reputation goes, it is no different than WoW even with a character transfer. There are forums where people will give a heads up about specific players and such. Yes, it was cross realm. If you don't know how to do your research then It's not my problem. Skill queue and player reputation are tied together in the sense that someone with 100m SP will probably care about wiping his reputation more than someone with 10m. There's a reason why most total pricks are new(ish) toons or NPC corp alts. In WoW as I stated it's easy to replace a low reputation toon, and probably way cheaper (relatively) than buying a name change, the same does not hold in EVE.
In EVE if you serously "wrong" someone that reputation is going to stick around for a very very long time, in WoW there really is nothing worthwhile a player can lose due to other player action and on top of that most things that could result in actual tangible loss are forbidden (and likely bannable), quite unlike in EVE. If you've been a (for the sake of example) corp thief it is not unlikely that it's cheaper to pay for a name change than to start a new character and going around with such a reputation is going to severely limit your options.
For someone to want to risk the reputation of an old character the gain would have to be pretty damn high as the cost will be very high, messing with this risk/reward ratio doesn't seem like a great idea to me personally.
Kenneth O'Hara wrote:As far as reputation goes, it is no different than WoW even with a character transfer. There are forums where people will give a heads up about specific players and such. Yes, it was cross realm. If you don't know how to do your research then It's not my problem. Once LFG rolled around you had to play with random people anyway, assuming you weren't lucky enough to have an active enough guild to play with all the time. While there indeed were tools (and sites) that allowed you to rate players and view others' comments on players these were little used even during TBC (iow lack of data) and as such incomplete and unreliable for all practical purposes. After TBC realm reputation simply no longer mattered as the chances of running into the same player more than once in a random dungeon were pretty close to zero.
While before each realm certainly had it's fair share of trolls and random clowns they seemed to take over the chat channels with WotLK. You know what they say, allowing name changes (or even worse, a total character history wipe) would only increase anonymity and decrease accountability.
So I guess that as I see it it comes down to risk/reward and name changes or corp history wipes would upset this risk/reward balance in a, in my opinion, negative way.
Also: GRRR, 5 quote limit. |
Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars Fade 2 Black
7166
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Posted - 2012.12.04 21:43:00 -
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I remember barrens chat from vanilla and TBC expansion. And to show you how much this reputation for your (not personal, in general) character goes, I was one of the trade trolls on my server. But, how I actually played with others in groups was a completely different story. I even trolled my own guild members while running crap but they knew me irl and we would talk on TS or Vent. That's where my reputation and loyalties lay, with real friends outside of a game. If you don't want to actually get to know me then get out of my way and stop complaining. But most of all, everyone should learn to have some fun and get that stick out that is holding their backbone up.
There is no such thing as accountability, it's a myth. Granted I would not be a corp theif mainly because I would be pissed if ti happened to me so I would not do it to someone else but I don't condone or condemn anyone who does or does it to me. Why? Because it's a game. In fact, I would actually invite that guy to my TS channel and talk up a storm about random things. Would I let someone like that in my corp if I knew they were like that, no... not at first. It would take a long time before I would and I would have to get to know him well before hand. I would still invite him to my TS server regardless. If there was a way around the regular name and corp history so they can be changed, it doesn't matter because I'm talking directly to the player and getting to know his character and not just some character he wants me to believe. If he is still able to fool me, kudos to him.
P.S: This is not a direct attack so please don't take it as such. Just pointing out my philosphies and how I run things. I mean no offense in this post, honestly. I'm just, how should I put this, abrasive to traditional means of communication. Oh I am, this way in real life as well. I have a best friend and lots of other close friends. There is no such thing as a stranger to me. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers Intrepid Crossing
87
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Posted - 2012.12.05 01:56:00 -
[199] - Quote
what part of NO do you all not get.
stupid idea -1 OP |
Agent Akari
Just Popped Out For Milk Corcoran State
65
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Posted - 2012.12.05 02:45:00 -
[200] - Quote
Eve online is a hard world, it's so easy to scam and betray eachother. having this name change or corp history feature will only make it more worse.
Actually I think this feature would be only used by those type of players. If you are a nice or honest player, you wouldn't be ashamed of your name or corp history. |
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Andrea Momaki
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.12.05 03:36:00 -
[201] - Quote
I think that name changes are fine as long as there is a way to see past names at a glance.
There is a reason they call it the "character bazaar". You're buying a character, not a bag of skill points. |
White Tree
Large Hybrid Turret V
857
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Posted - 2012.12.05 03:46:00 -
[202] - Quote
I've always been for this, but you know it'll result in people shitting their pants and crying about slippery slopes and shooting Jita monuments. Former member of CSM6, Champion of the Gallente Master Race. |
psycho freak
Snuff Box
39
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Posted - 2012.12.05 04:00:00 -
[203] - Quote
Id rather a system in place were i could reset sp some stuff i trained years ago on few alts are totaly useless as never get used if i could get that sp bck and put into other skills id pay few plex for that
but no to name or history change tbh |
Amarra Mandalin
The Scope Gallente Federation
410
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Posted - 2012.12.05 06:04:00 -
[204] - Quote
Teinyhr wrote:Keno Skir wrote:Once again this nul-brainer concept rears it's ugly head.
-----stuff----
Think longer next time Take your own advice. How many times it need be said you can circumvent consequences with alts. PLEXes made this even easier. There's like one person I know who hasn't wussed out of bad rep (altough in his case, magnificient bastard rep), that is Istvaan Shogaatsu. And it has been said that an intergral part of this name change things would be the introduction of an "identity history" tab.
This. ^^
Most of the arguments are misguided as a result.
Most reputations are meaningless, those that are not are not likely to be sold, and if they are, so what? More Eve mischief?
If you want to hire decent people, do proper voice interviews to start, so an alt doesn't come back to bite you in the arse. |
Revman Zim
Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda
37
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Posted - 2012.12.05 07:13:00 -
[205] - Quote
My 2 cents...
EVE Online is about actions and consequences... as Retribution demonstrates.
If you create a character and name it "Twinky Asshat" and then go on to kill, steal, scam and generally cause mayhem, you should then NOT be able to turn around, change the name, wipe the history and sell if for a profit. There should be consequences for your actions. If your name or history lowers the value on the Character Bazaar, then it seems that EVE is working as intended. However, I would point out that a character with those attributes might be desirable to some individuals.
Likewise, if you are too lazy to create a new character, you should not be given the option of changing the name on a bought character or change its history. That is the consequences of being LAZY. If you like the character but not the name, move on... there will be another character with another name available soon.
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ande
Exertus Arctic Light
0
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Posted - 2012.12.05 07:21:00 -
[206] - Quote
I didn't like my corp history, so I removed it. ;-) |
Sphit Ker
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
125
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Posted - 2012.12.05 07:51:00 -
[207] - Quote
100$ bucks? That's madness.
Just slap a separator on the corp history when a character gets sold. Just a bold line with annotation will do just fine. |
Thgil Goldcore
Advenus Classem
384
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Posted - 2012.12.05 09:08:00 -
[208] - Quote
I read though the first few pages looking up some points. Heres my thought.
If there was some form of corp history/name change, there should always be some way in game of the truth of the matter being identified, Ideally though other players. This to me may lead to an interesting manhunt/private eye profession. One that requires someone to go out and talk to individuals etc etc. Add to the bounty system just implemented a manhunt board whereas tracking down the new identity of a person would be awesome. Personally, i think this would be rather interesting...
but I have absolutely no idea how to make it work.
Otherwise I have no problem with the idea of plex for name-change and corp history wipe (perhaps not completely remove the corp name but during their time of employment replace it with 'restricted' or something... so people will know you where employed by someone at that time... but no idea to who) |
JaseNZ
EG CORP Talocan United
8
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Posted - 2012.12.05 09:48:00 -
[209] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Perhaps it could be a one-off offering specifically FOR character trades then?
This.
I have bought and sold a few characters on the forums. The FIRST thing I look at is the character's name. If it doesn't have a cool or catchy name,or if it has some random name like assr69, I won't click the link to their post.
The name is the deal breaker for me. You can always train skills to polish or perfect a pilot to your liking...but so far a name is something that is set in stone.
Perhaps having an option in Character Transfers to change the name to something of the buyer's liking, and to cover your bases, something in the employment history like so,
Imperial Academy 2011.02.09 10:01 to 2011.03.01 10:09 (as Amarr Citizen 04562)
Just a thought. |
PatchYourselfUp
Cataclysm Affliction
1
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:39:00 -
[210] - Quote
I would love to have a name change, but it has to be approached extremely carefully.
When I played EVE in late 2009, I didn't know it had such a great, deep universe that's packed with lore and had an RP scene. I would pay 30 dollars for a character re customization package (name and facial features). I quit twice before, and now that I'm back for good in 2012, I wish, wish, wish I had a more "realistic" name.
However, it should be made that a character can only be re-customized once EVER, even if it's thrown back onto the bazaar. There should also be a "View Prior Alias" button right on the Show Info window, or at least perhaps a small asterisk next to the minimize, pin, or close buttons on the Show Info window, so you could check at-a-glance if a character's name has been changed before.
EVE for a lot of people is an extremely hard game to get into, so having a second account is an unattractive option for a lot of people that want to keep things casual or really like the sense of identity a re-customization can bring forth.
I'm all for it. |
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Ben Fenix
10
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:44:00 -
[211] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Dave stark wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already while i'd love to be able to change the name of a purchased character as some way to signify it has a new owner, at the same time it'd be too easy for people to abuse it. the cost and hassle of a character transfer is nothing in comparison to effectively erasing an entire character's history, even if you can see past aliases since very few people would really bother to check. i think it has more drawbacks than benefits, personally. edit: where would it stop? if you can change your name, why not your corp history, etc. Oh, I see your point completely. It's hard to distinguish where the line would be, and on a personal level I wouldn't support being able to erase or modify a character's corporation history at all. Your history of employment in EVE should always be your character's legacy, and you should on that basis pick and choose whom you work for carefully. There's some good points being brought forward in this thread
History of employment is definitley something that should be kept alive because it's part of a character's personal portfolio BUT what's the idea behind the fact that absolutely everybody is able to look up that history without any effort? It makes absolutely no sense. In real life nobody is able to look up my employment history until I decide to tell somebody.
EVE is a game of complex social interaction but the players aren't given any option to take care of their personal information and privacy. Actually a character in EVE is nothing more than some kind of profile on Facebook or any other social media platform. Just without options to restrict public access to personal information.
Of course this comparison seems a bit to far out but in the end this point of view should at least be taken into consideration when talking about player's employment history. Maybe you should look at it that way: In EVE nothing is given for free. Everything has to be earned. Why should be getting intel any different?
In a world where privacy of personal information nowadays is a highly sensitive topic for everyone I think that in a game world like EVE is simulating one this topic shouldn't be left behind / touched differently. Ben Fenix http://benplus.de |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
113
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:46:00 -
[212] - Quote
Dont erase the corp histo or even have the char renamed, but have an optional mark in the corp listing at which point a char was transfered to a different account. And ask an x amount for the optional mark. My resists to bad posts are 78-89-83-90 ....... The metal head plate increased it by 5%.
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Emu Meo
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2012.12.05 11:56:00 -
[213] - Quote
Perhaps you could go through a process of erasure from concord records by paying the correct sum to a dodgy inside agent, the payment perhaps based on the number of SPs. You would have all your standings reset, a complete physical re-customisation, and all history removed, and perhaps a loss of 10% skill points as you undergo the rigorous transformation process. That seems to fit in with eve lore, and I think a fair price to pay for those who really do have a truly bad name. Perhaps some kind of visual scarring could be left on your character portrait to indicate that you have been through the process of identity erasure. |
Liandri Jenquai
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.12.06 01:13:00 -
[214] - Quote
I just bought a toon off the bazaar. Would love to change her name :/ |
Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
217
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Posted - 2012.12.06 01:17:00 -
[215] - Quote
Abu Tarynnia wrote:Johan Civire wrote:Lord Ra wrote:Name changes yes, but corporation history has to stay. CCP you could make a killing on allowing name changes, many of us want to pay you for a virtual service that eventually could be manned by 1-2 devs after the initial rush so why you no offer?. inb4 'plex for depoll' All no this is sandbox not cleaning the carpet when you doing something wrong. No and no. You want it try to play world of warcraft the do this thing for you. In eve all action comes always back to you. Use your brain before you do something wrong or mess up your names. What ?! It's a service, it's paid for, it's ok since this is EVE .. the ultimate capitalistic game ever. So if I can buy it EVE / CCP should provide it. No problem with that. Either be consequent or begone.
The answer is no you pay for rent a acount not to ownd a acount jezus people read the damn faq and user agrement for ones.
End of discusion now and in the future. stupid world of wacraft players. |
Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere
199
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Posted - 2012.12.06 02:33:00 -
[216] - Quote
Its the scum of EvE that make such a change dangerous, as allowing them to recycle or remake characters to avoid past transgressions would definately be abused. Though at the same time, i believe that players that purchase characters should have the option to remake them in their image.
Personally, i think having a record of the accounts names will prevent people from completely cutting off the previous identity, whilst allowing the new owners to show that the account is now under the control of a different person. If this change is also coupled with a price in currency, this should dissuade the forementioned scum from taking too much advantage. Though i don't think the payment should be possible with PLEX, as they are far too easy to aquire for those that are super-rich, but rather actual cash!
Definately don't think their employment history should be removed though. That should be fixed to the character forever!
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Lelob
My Little Pony - Friendship Force
66
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Posted - 2012.12.06 02:54:00 -
[217] - Quote
Corp history could include a line in employment history indicating where a sale of character occurred. |
AraniFyr
OmniStar. Casoff
76
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Posted - 2012.12.06 03:36:00 -
[218] - Quote
I bought a character of the bazaar, i love the skillset but i wish i could change the name ( show alias ) and sex of the character, would pay for it! |
Rensari
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2012.12.06 05:01:00 -
[219] - Quote
Yes to both. This esp makes sense if the character was transferred, or if you made the character when you were 10 and picked a dumb name that you regret years later.
Corp history? Yes. If you bought the character or if you have been away from some time and come back but don't want to be tied to your old corp history, starting a new life is nice.
Things you did 10 years ago shouldn't matter. If you don't like the corp history wipe for non-transfered characters, then at least allow it to wipe history from 3+ years ago. So your recent corp history still matters, but you aren't forever punished for things you did as a kid years and years ago. I think this is reasonable. |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
165
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Posted - 2012.12.06 07:11:00 -
[220] - Quote
Simply NO for both! If you are to lazy to train up a char it is your personal problem! If you are to lazy to find a nice name for your char it is your personal problem! If you do some ingame crime you have to life with the resulting problems!
Allowing name change or history delation would open every singel door for griffers, thiefs, spys and maybe even some real life criminals who use EvE for whatever real life crime!
So if you named your char "xXxKillorRoxorThiefKiddyXxX" ... it is YOUR personal fault. Take it as lesson for the next game and take the time (and brain) to find a better one. Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
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Immortal DeathKnight
Hard Knocks Inc.
5
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Posted - 2012.12.06 08:35:00 -
[221] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:People who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name Tell me about it. |
Goran Konjich
Shiva Furnace
14
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Posted - 2012.12.06 08:57:00 -
[222] - Quote
History must remain. A LOT of players would like to pay PLEX for name change. <> |
Liandri Jenquai
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.12.06 17:00:00 -
[223] - Quote
Liandri Jenquai wrote:I just bought a toon off the bazaar. Would love to change her name :/
PS - I would also LOVE a free customization. When someone is paying $35 to transfer a character a name change and a customization should be included with that fee. Please and thank you in advance. |
Vixisti
4
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Posted - 2012.12.06 17:25:00 -
[224] - Quote
Sounds like something that could be done via Incarna with lots of dirty dealings in station with dodgy characters and the transfer of lots and lots of isk.
Make it a player high tier learnable skill - Forgery
There are lot's of ways to make it work and actually add to the gameplay but it would have to be both difficult and expensive. Failure Cascade Augmentation Squad |
Cheekything
Dark-Rising
108
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Posted - 2012.12.06 17:53:00 -
[225] - Quote
In terms of names you could always add a nickname option, limited to 10-12 characters, and give it the same timer as the neural remaps.
This way you can have your nicknames above your normal name without much issue.
So in normal chat windows you could have "J" (in blue or something to highlight) John Smith (original name just how it is)
With compact you can add it before the name again in blue
Easiest solution really to bad names.
Reputation makes eve a better place so no changes to corp history full stop. |
Pipman 3000
Vanguard Frontiers Intrepid Crossing
0
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Posted - 2012.12.24 07:21:00 -
[226] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
I really support the Idea of a name change service even with it being payable with plex! I have bought toons from corp members and past corp mates but prefer a more themed character so people know its 'ME'.
I like CCP Falcons idea here that there should be some sort of name history so that people could view past aliases to prevent those that have ruined their reputation in the game.
But this is where the limits of this should end. The history/legacy of the character is important especially when you are looking for potential spies, theifs, or AWOX'ers.
As an additional thought to help maybe ad an additional feature in the employment history where CEO's can post a reason for being kicked if this is the case where it would identify that they were a suspected thief, spy, or an awoxer. This way what a person does in their history would be set in stone and maybe effectivly make a character useless to a player other than a highsec toon. |
Ilandrin Yona
Helion Production Labs Mildly Sober
25
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Posted - 2012.12.24 10:18:00 -
[227] - Quote
Couldn't you have a PIN (Pilot Identification Number) which is permanent and to which all character history is attached, and then the name field can be changed at will at any time?
If you are worried about people impersonating other players, or hiding their past, well, isn't that just one of the things we all have to be wary of in this cold, harsh distopian world? When in doubt, check the PIN history! ... ..... ....... ... ..... ....... ... ..... ....... ... ..... ....... ... ..... ....... http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Ilandrin_Yona |
Scavy Proximus
Liberty Storm
1
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Posted - 2012.12.25 12:25:00 -
[228] - Quote
Ok, been giving this topic some thought.. IF a namechange system was to be implemented in EVE Online, then I would think it could be done by, as someone mentioned, giving each Pilot a unique and visible ID number.
And if name history should not be visible on character info page, then it should be possible to lookup a name history for a given pilot by using an intel agent, just like you can use a locator agent now.
Same goes for corp history.
This way it allows people to have their name changed, but if they decide to have it hidden, then it's possible to make an intel check on the person to check up on the history on him. So by using some effort it's possible to find a persons background.
One thing to keep in mind, is that in EVE security and intel means a great deal. This would actually add more to the game this way, while still allow people to have their name changed.
It might even be possible to add even more stuff to the intel lookup agent, like stuff about kills and recent losses, and maybe even make it possible to see if a character has changed ownership.. it could be listed like a clone change gone wrong and caused loss of memory. One would think that in a universe like EVE, there would be medical records that would be possible to gain access to, in order to get information like this.
In my humble opinion, this would in the end add to the game experience, and it would give more tools to us paranoid null sec people to worry about
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Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
483
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Posted - 2012.12.25 12:30:00 -
[229] - Quote
The answer is no. Let me try to explane why this is a bad idea. Eve online is a real time mmorpg its a real "gamer" world inside a game. every action you do have a inpackt small or large even if you only sitting in a station and do nothing then reading or chatting can have inpackt in the game. Even the miner have inpackt in the game. If you can hide your name or change it or even worst change corps name this is like i can abuse gods power. No all action comes always back agains you. THINK BEFORE YOU ACT.... Golden tip CCP says before you even play the god damn game.....
O ps before people going in the atack mode* i have buyed this game i ownd the game. NO YOU RENT A ACCOUNT you ownd nothing... So costumer or not thats the rules if you agree on the terms ccp offerd when you want to "rent" a account. Before you even start making a account. Read it for ones. Now in the other hand asking something is not always bad dont push it to far. |
March rabbit
Federal Defense Union
299
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Posted - 2012.12.25 13:13:00 -
[230] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already i think this could be useful for many people. When i buy new char i can't be sure i know enough about his past. I don't care TBH.
Let's say you buy character. You don't need his name or appearance, you don't get his assets and ISK (unless previous owner didn't care about it), you don't care about his past. Mostly you want only skillset. So the solution(s):
1) Clear it all, mark character as "bought" and born with date of transfer (this could be visible somewhere but will not interfere with new name and history like it does stupid mark WANTED). So you can live with it as it is your character from start. If somebody wants to check your character he just checks his birthday and sees: char was bought. No history remains. New owner. You either trust PERSON controlling this char or you don't. It's up to you.
2) Place "pre-buy" history/name/whatever to some "backseat" place like additional button in window "character info". Owner can ignore this area. And when someone too paranoid checks this char he can have access to all information he needs.
I have one character i've bought mostly for jump freighter needs. I really never checked his past. Only seen once in eve-kill that he got caught with some JF somewhere in 0.0. Maybe it is why char was sold? I don't care. Anything what could happen with this char has no connection to me (i mean PERSON).
Once again: we talk here about SPACE PIXELS. Characters don't do s..t itself. Some REAL person does it. Character is asset like ship. Yes for some "RP-like" people characters mean something. But in reality you never can trust any character. You only can trust PERSON controlling this char. And this information isn't a part of char employment history. Add here account sharing (illegal but used very often) and you have even less trust to character. |
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Etherealclams
Clams ate my Narwhal
35
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Posted - 2012.12.25 13:41:00 -
[231] - Quote
Jesus, 100$? That's way too much. I'd say 2-4 plex. Other than your pricing issues I fully support this idea. (USER WAS UNBANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Vai Yun
State War Academy Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.12.25 15:50:00 -
[232] - Quote
I'd like to contribute to this post by saying that you can in real world change your name in a very easy way. So, what is the problem in New Eden for doing so?
It seems you cannot either change you corp history, same as It occurs in real life.
Anyway, I'd like to see both things allowed, as a standing reset, since this is a videogame, and It is supossed to be fun. It is disgusting when you love your char but hate what the others do to your character sheet.
A PLEX payment would be enought, I consider. |
ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells Beer needs you
208
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Posted - 2012.12.25 16:21:00 -
[233] - Quote
What if you had simply grown tired of your characters name, but wanted to keep your history because you had nothing to hide? |
Blast Maken
Roden Industries It's Not Fair
0
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Posted - 2012.12.25 16:41:00 -
[234] - Quote
I feel that this should be offered only for character sales. A rule should be introduced which makes it illegal to trade characters between your own accounts in order to clean a history. |
Purity
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.12.25 20:52:00 -
[235] - Quote
The point is this, Eve Online is different to other games in that it incorporates accountability.
Don't like your name or your corp history or some of your past choices? Tough! In this game, your actions have consequences.
I know many will think "oh, come on, we can change names in real life, why not in Eve? What harm could it do?" Well, it's the easy way out. It's a further footstep on the dark path to being like every other mmo. Personally, I am not happy that you can simply buy isk in this game (don't pretend that plex is anything else other than this) and I could argue that characters should never be allowed to be sold to new owners.
Removal of these two facets would mean that you really did have to work for every kredit and skillpoint you own. However, I reaise that CCP do have to have income streams from the game and so I can live with (and use) these options. But I think names and history wipes would be making things too easy. If you implement these, then why not other cheats. Why not just demand the following:
1). Multiple shards, so I can have exactly the name I want, no matter whether others already have it. 2). A respawn timer. When my ship gets popped I want it to re-appear in space as before 30 seconds later. 3). Purchasable faction standings - I want to be able to just by the standings I want. 4). Purchasable skillpoints. I want to be able to respec the points I have and buy additional points whenever I feel like it. 5). Killboard cleansing. The removal of all previous killboard stats. 6). A new mmo. One like Eve is today, where your actions and choices actually mean something and thereby have an intrinsic worth to them, rather being a whole random pile of meaningless decisions ultimately affecting nothing. |
James Amril-Kesh
RAZOR Alliance
1594
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Posted - 2012.12.25 20:59:00 -
[236] - Quote
Why are name changes still being discussed? It's obvious this is a wanted feature, and nobody who is opposed to it has put any substantial reason forth other than "your actions have consequences" which is irrelevant since the new system would show your name history anyway. -áObjects in mirror aren't as red as they appear. |
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
494
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Posted - 2012.12.25 21:00:00 -
[237] - Quote
Buhhdust Princess wrote:Name change would make it easieer for people like myself, dhb wildcat, kil2 etc to get fights anyway ^^ This made me lol. Casually grouping yourself with some of the most famous solo pvpers there are.
Edit: Still lol'ing. Damn nature, you scary! |
Elrich Kouvo
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
84
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Posted - 2012.12.25 23:35:00 -
[238] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already couldn't you just allow this for character purchases? That way the community knows that it isn't the same guy? |
Beta Miner
COBRA Logistics Outer-Haven
17
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Posted - 2012.12.26 00:44:00 -
[239] - Quote
I think everyone here believes that history is -everything-, regardless of the individual's circumstances.
So if the history stays with the character, regardless of a change of name or change of corp or change of ownership ... what is the problem? AFK Cloaking? An afk cloaker has never ganked me. In fact a cloaker at his keybourd has never ganked me either.
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Mesacc
New Big Dog Mining
1
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Posted - 2012.12.26 01:18:00 -
[240] - Quote
I wouldent mind being able to clean up my corp history, not to hide anything, but to get rid of the NPC corps I only spent a few hours in between player corps. That and I was in a hurry typing a corp name and mispelled it. had to start all over and it still shows in my history. |
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FluffyDice
Northstar Cabal Fatal Ascension
250
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Posted - 2012.12.26 01:58:00 -
[241] - Quote
I'm fine with name changes if there were to be a tab next to corp history called aliases. Old names can't be re used by new characters and name changes incur a fee. Any in game connections like links, searches or contacts automatically redirect to the new name.
Implementing this wouldn't be too difficult, and as far as consequences go, just google their old names as well when recruiting. If there is a worry of this being used too often put it on a timer like a remap as well as the fee. |
Alexis Machine
2
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Posted - 2012.12.26 02:44:00 -
[242] - Quote
I say no. Then again, I don't think you should be allowed to purchase characters to begin with.
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Duke Atreus
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.01.11 05:55:00 -
[243] - Quote
I would love to have a name change on a character I bought.
He had the perfect skill set I was after with the limited ISK I had but my OCD got the best of me and I can't play him anymore: Tr3jo
Who the hell puts a 3 for an e???
I don't care if people can see I used to be tr3jo in some sort of character history but I would give almost anything to have a new name. Plus you'd get +1 subscription *wink wink*
Edit: You know what? I'd pay to have my name stay the same for everyone else but show up as whatever I choose for me. |
Veronica Kerrigan
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
59
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Posted - 2013.01.11 06:03:00 -
[244] - Quote
I see an issue with being able to change name in that over the course of a few years, if I changed my name there could be a hundred "Veronica Kerrigan"s, and while I would be terribly flattered, it would be horribly confusing if oyu were trying to get a person into a private chat, or use eve mail to contact them. Would there be a notification sent out to everyone who added you as a contact? Would your old name be locked so no one else could take it, making past aliases permanent? |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum Northern Coalition.
99
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Posted - 2013.01.11 06:18:00 -
[245] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
IMO as soon as a character has been sold he is no longer who he was. Therefore it should be treated like an identity wipe and a fresh start. Whatever he did before doesn't matter.
The only problem with this is spies would just rebuy their toons with different accounts to wipe their history |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
625
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Posted - 2013.01.11 08:02:00 -
[246] - Quote
DeBingJos wrote:No, reputation is important in EVE. If you want an unknown character, start a new one.
Clearly not as important as money is to CCP, or you wouldn't be able to sell that all important rep.
From: Tommas De'Wins To: Cipher Jones Dude :) I got massives Basi hahahahahahaha |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
625
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Posted - 2013.01.11 08:05:00 -
[247] - Quote
Also, and I should have mentioned this first, posting in another 10/10 Tom Gerard troll thread.
It's more fun the WB. From: Tommas De'Wins To: Cipher Jones Dude :) I got massives Basi hahahahahahaha |
kes88
Swords of Persephone
9
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Posted - 2013.01.11 09:41:00 -
[248] - Quote
Renier Gaden wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already I favour the ability to change names based on the percentage of really bad or stupid names in EVE. I get the impression that many characters in EVE were created by people in a hurry to get started who did not want to waist time trying to come up with a good name that was not already taken. I give props to people who took the time to make cool names such as Tinker Hell, and Large Collidable Object. I took the easy route and just picked a normal sounding name. I like the idea of having a name history though. While I would like to see people be able to change their names, I donGÇÖt favour giving them the ability to wipe the slate clean. I also think that the transfer of a character to a different account should be recorded in that characterGÇÖs corp history. That way if you buy a Corp Thief, you can show that your character was purchased after the infamous events. Edit: Actually, the name change should probably be recorded in the Corp History too, as that is where people look to determine the history of the character.
I HATE MY NAME.
I didn't buy my char, I built it. I was coming back to Eve after a break, couldn't remember my old password, or even email address for the account or anything so set up an entirely new character. After about 20 attempts with names I actually wanted being taken already, I ended up just typing crap into the box just so I could get on with it.
I'm not a corp thief, or a scammer. I didn't buy my char, and nor do I want to erase the corp history. I just want to change my ******* name!
Spent this long wondering to myself why I didn't put a bloody capital at the beginning and actually THINK of a last name. I don't need anybody to tell me 'Oh well, you should have thought of that at time' and 'live with the consequences' since I already know and I already do. Still hate my name.
To top it all off I was informed by some guy in local that the 88 in my name was some kind of indication that I was a ****. In fact it indicates my birth year, but now I want to change my name even more.
I would happily pay. But due to all the issues mentioned in negative of this proposal, I doubt it will be implemented. Furthermore, I think it's all well and good not to want name changes possible, but I'm pretty sure those who advocate that position are happy with their names.
TLDR PLEASE LET ME CHANGE MY NAME. WILL PAY GOOD MONEY.
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Fanatic Row
DED Drug Enforcement Department
1
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Posted - 2013.01.11 11:31:00 -
[249] - Quote
Why does every service have to be paid?
As if EVE wasn't already the most expensive MMO on the market; how about CCP give us some free quality of life services? |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
214
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Posted - 2013.01.11 11:31:00 -
[250] - Quote
Yes, 88 can stand for HH, which stands for Heil [enter a WW2 name of someone who was a nut case]. My resists to bad posts are 78-89-83-90 ....... The metal head plate increased it by 5%.
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Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
1003
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Posted - 2013.01.11 11:37:00 -
[251] - Quote
I don't mind. So long as there is a long(1-2yr) interval between being able to use, and costs a decent amount(~$30). Also corp history would remain, but just add in NAME CHANGED FROM X to Y on XX.XX.XXXX in the history.
However depending on the success of Dust naming is going to be a issue, since CCP had the bright idea of merging the nameserver of a single shard MMO with a F2P FPS. |
Cutter Isaacson
Nouvelle Rouvenor
2270
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Posted - 2013.01.11 11:44:00 -
[252] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already i think this could be useful for many people. When i buy new char i can't be sure i know enough about his past. I don't care TBH. Let's say you buy character. You don't need his name or appearance, you don't get his assets and ISK (unless previous owner didn't care about it), you don't care about his past. Mostly you want only skillset. So the solution(s): 1) Clear it all, mark character as "bought" and born with date of transfer (this could be visible somewhere but will not interfere with new name and history like it does stupid mark WANTED). So you can live with it as it is your character from start. If somebody wants to check your character he just checks his birthday and sees: char was bought. No history remains. New owner. You either trust PERSON controlling this char or you don't. It's up to you. 2) Place "pre-buy" history/name/whatever to some "backseat" place like additional button in window "character info". Owner can ignore this area. And when someone too paranoid checks this char he can have access to all information he needs. I have one character i've bought mostly for jump freighter needs. I really never checked his past. Only seen once in eve-kill that he got caught with some JF somewhere in 0.0. Maybe it is why char was sold? I don't care. Anything what could happen with this char has no connection to me (i mean PERSON). Once again: we talk here about SPACE PIXELS. Characters don't do s..t itself. Some REAL person does it. Character is asset like ship. Yes for some "RP-like" people characters mean something. But in reality you never can trust any character. You only can trust PERSON controlling this char. And this information isn't a part of char employment history. Add here account sharing (illegal but used very often) and you have even less trust to character.
Scam artist/Corp thief wrote:Oh no, I have scammed and stolen billions and now I can't do anything because people don't trust me OH!! I know!! I'll just sell myself to.....myself. Then I can wipe out all my wrong doings in one go and start all over again without losing any of my skills etc. etc. ad infinitum.
The above scenario was brought to you by people wanting zero consequences for their in-game actions.
tl;dr Name change etc. is a bad idea, don't do it CCP.
"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
752
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Posted - 2013.01.11 11:49:00 -
[253] - Quote
Fanatic Row wrote:Why does every service have to be paid? As if EVE wasn't already the most expensive MMO on the market; how about CCP give us some free quality of life services?
EVE paid is $ 10.99/month one of the cheapest subs out there.
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
13461
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Posted - 2013.01.11 11:52:00 -
[254] - Quote
Fanatic Row wrote:Why does every service have to be paid? As if EVE wasn't already the most expensive MMO on the market; how about CCP give us some free quality of life services? You really need to look at prices first, before making such a claim.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
RaTTuS
BIG Everywhere - Everything
233
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Posted - 2013.01.11 11:55:00 -
[255] - Quote
as others have said. the history has to be there forever - so a AKA list and it would have to be not cheep [In real money] and restricted to how many you can do ]
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Pewty McPew
Pillage Plunder And Rape Industries
144
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Posted - 2013.01.11 12:53:00 -
[256] - Quote
Keep the corp history forever and as long as I can see past names I and my 256 alts :) approve of the "Name Change" proposal |
March rabbit
Aliastra
474
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:09:00 -
[257] - Quote
Purity wrote:The point is this, Eve Online is different to other games in that it incorporates accountability.
Don't like your name or your corp history or some of your past choices? Tough! In this game, your actions have consequences.
what about bought chars? Do you know WHOLE story of every your bought characters? I don't.
Once i bought supercarrier babysitter with SS -9. He was a pirate for sure. But for me he just was sitting in my supercarrier and assisting me some time with farming ISK in 0.0. Then i sold him to some other person.
So your decision: which consequences this (second) owner should deal with? I have no ideas. Do you think it would be good if this new owner of char will be (hunted, griefed, killed, whatever) because of some old actions of this bought char?
Once again: character is a tool like ship. Every character has REAL person controlling him. Past actions of CHARACTER may have no connection to current REAL owner.
Let's say you ganked someone. Then you want to get rid of your ship. You can strip fit from your ship and sell it. Or you make a contract and sell it as is. Or you repackage it and sell to market. No story left. New owner should not deal with consequences for YOUR actions with this ship. Or he should? |
NickyYo
StarHug
273
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:20:00 -
[258] - Quote
This is a very bad and stupid idea!
Here are my reasons.
- If one were allowed to change character name what would happen to the next joeblogs who chooses that name for their new character?
- If recruiters look on the character bazaar and see the character has infact been sold, then whats the problem?
- Maybee CCP might add a feature to remove corp history? that won't work guess why? because i will create an app that will pull all characters history through killboard links etc., though maybee CCP would do this, theres a lot of idiots out there, me not one of them.
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Xorcha
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:34:00 -
[259] - Quote
Fundamentally you can change your name in real life therefore it makes no sense not to be able to change your name in game. Also it's entirely possible for your reputation to change in real life and you may have different reputations with different groups of people so I don't think your employment history should be stuck to your character after potentially multiple account transfers.
Therefore when you transfer your character I think you should be able to change your name and corp history should be removed.
As a pragmatic step to avoid spy character swapping to wipe reputation, if a character changes accounts a timer should start which removes the previous life corp history after a year. That way a bought character would eventually lose it's previous life history and a spy could not switch a character between accounts to remove reputation.
Your eve character is an extension of your irl identity, I would argue that hating your name makes the game less immersive. |
Fanatic Row
DED Drug Enforcement Department
1
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:47:00 -
[260] - Quote
Mag's wrote:Fanatic Row wrote:Why does every service have to be paid? As if EVE wasn't already the most expensive MMO on the market; how about CCP give us some free quality of life services? You really need to look at prices first, before making such a claim. So, in which subscription based games do you have to pay for cosmetic features such as a re-sculpt, or clothing?
CCP charges a monthly fee for EVE, but offer none of the services that they've implemented from Free-to-Play games in that fee.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1133
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:53:00 -
[261] - Quote
I haven't read the whole thread so someone has probably already suggested it.
But a "Character name history" viewable to the public at all times would fix the name change problem.
Say i get tied of Jenn aSide and want to change it to something snazzy like Jenn Ann Juice (which is delicious BTW), like you can see my corp history, you can see my NAME history to and always know I was Jenn aAside. Limit 1 name change per 12 or 24 months or something.
I've got a couple chars I bought that I'd pay a couple plex to change their names lol. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1133
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:54:00 -
[262] - Quote
Goran Konjich wrote:History must remain. A LOT of players would like to pay PLEX for name change.
[EDIT] Old name must stay visible forever on Bio, right next to current name. Name change is allowed only every 3 years.
case in point, i've been beaten to the punch again. Damn that goran guy. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
1133
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:55:00 -
[263] - Quote
Vixisti wrote:Sounds like something that could be done via Incarna with lots of dirty dealings in station with dodgy characters and the transfer of lots and lots of isk.
Make it a player high tier learnable skill - Forgery
There are lot's of ways to make it work and actually add to the gameplay but it would have to be both difficult and expensive.
i'd love to train Identity Theft to 5 :) .
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The F Word
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
42
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Posted - 2013.01.11 15:57:00 -
[264] - Quote
What would happen if name changes were made willy nilly, and corp history was erased?
Paranoia is already at maximum levels, I don't think it would have the effect everyone seems to fear.
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March rabbit
Aliastra
474
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Posted - 2013.01.11 16:31:00 -
[265] - Quote
Cutter Isaacson wrote:March rabbit wrote: Once again: we talk here about SPACE PIXELS. Characters don't do s..t itself. Some REAL person does it. Character is asset like ship. Yes for some "RP-like" people characters mean something. But in reality you never can trust any character. You only can trust PERSON controlling this char. And this information isn't a part of char employment history. Add here account sharing (illegal but used very often) and you have even less trust to character.
Scam artist/Corp thief wrote:Oh no, I have scammed and stolen billions and now I can't do anything because people don't trust me OH!! I know!! I'll just sell myself to.....myself. Then I can wipe out all my wrong doings in one go and start all over again without losing any of my skills etc. etc. ad infinitum. The above scenario was brought to you by people wanting zero consequences for their in-game actions. tl;dr Name change etc. is a bad idea, don't do it CCP. tell me please one thing: who are you? you are human sitting next to PC and playing game? Or maybe you are character which is only life in game?
You really don't see difference between people (controlling group of characters) and in-game character? |
Ascendic
Macabre Votum Northern Coalition.
100
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Posted - 2013.01.11 16:33:00 -
[266] - Quote
Fanatic Row wrote:Why does every service have to be paid? As if EVE wasn't already the most expensive MMO on the market; how about CCP give us some free quality of life services?
Really bro? EVE is the most expensive MMO on the market?
Please inform me how many of the 17+ expansions you have paid for?
owait.........NONE. |
Fanatic Row
DED Drug Enforcement Department
1
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Posted - 2013.01.11 16:40:00 -
[267] - Quote
Ascendic wrote:Fanatic Row wrote:Why does every service have to be paid? As if EVE wasn't already the most expensive MMO on the market; how about CCP give us some free quality of life services? Really bro? EVE is the most expensive MMO on the market? Please inform me how many of the 17+ expansions you have paid for? owait.........NONE.
Seriously? Now set aside the fact that CCP couldn't charge for expansions even if they wanted to...
How many of the expansions would be considered a true expansion you'd buy, instead of a large content update, in any other AAA MMO?
owait...... NONE.
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March rabbit
Aliastra
474
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Posted - 2013.01.11 16:54:00 -
[268] - Quote
just to clarify it a little.
Let's take a look to RL and cars.
1. Some bad guy (codename: person 1) used car to kill some other guy. 2. Car was restored/cleaned and officially sold to new person (again: ANOTHER PERSON). Let's call him person 2. 3. Some good guys (like the ones who ask here for CONSEQUENCES) come to person 2 and kill him because of "person 1 killed my friend. You have to deal with CONSEQUENCES". Yes, person 2 can be the same people as person 1 (like someone here wrote already) but car itself can't be the main attribute for search At least i really hope to never see such methods in RL
In-game chars are tools like cars in RL. You buy it, use and sell it.
Again: car does not stuff. It is alive person behind this car.
So characters in game don't do stuff. Character does not scam, it can't lie, it doesn't do anything (well, he collects SPs). Anything character do - it is manipulations of real person behind him. You either trust to this hidden owner or you don't. And you never can be sure you talk to the same REAL person twice using character interface.
That's why i don't see it like real problem to "cleaning char". As long as character has mark "was cleaned" you always can decide for yourself: you trust blindly to UNKNOWN OWNER behind this char (and let him scam/awox/etc... you) or you don't trust to him. |
Smuca
Forcas armadas Moon Warriors
0
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Posted - 2013.01.11 17:48:00 -
[269] - Quote
I only read 4 pages of that thread so forgive me if I'm posting something that has been said already.
That said, I think it's safe to say people who are against name changing are against that only because they fear corp thieves / scammers / spies could change their names and get away with it. In my opinion that is only a problem for recruiters and easily avoidable with a name change history and of course corp history.
Corp history wipe is a completely different story and I'm against it.
Also, name changing becoming available or not I think they should implement a character transfer history.
PS: I always wanted to buy an amarr/gallente pvp pilot but never did because I could never find one with an acceptable name. PS2: I'm not a big fan of my name either and would probably change it if it becomes available. |
Ash Jwilliams
DnD Gold Depository
0
|
Posted - 2013.01.11 21:04:00 -
[270] - Quote
What about minor name changes for people who were handicapped by an old naming system?
In particular, this toon was created way back when names could only have 1 space. Therefore, I had to combine my middle initial and last name.
These days, you can have 2 spaces. If I were to make this toon today, his name would read instead:
Ash J Williams
Do you think minor changes such as these would be reasonable? |
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
13465
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Posted - 2013.01.11 21:22:00 -
[271] - Quote
Fanatic Row wrote:Mag's wrote:Fanatic Row wrote:Why does every service have to be paid? As if EVE wasn't already the most expensive MMO on the market; how about CCP give us some free quality of life services? You really need to look at prices first, before making such a claim. So, in which subscription based games do you have to pay for cosmetic features such as a re-sculpt, or clothing? CCP charges a monthly fee for EVE, but offer none of the services that they've implemented from Free-to-Play games in that fee. Why do optional extras, make Eve the most expensive MMO on the market? Are you honestly saying no other MMO, offers extras in their version of an MT market? Also you'll find clothing and vanity items, for sale on the regular market. You know, for ISK and not aur.
DC Universe Online has a gold market, where you can buy clothes. I'm sure it's not the only one. But you know better, right? I'd also like to know, how you think F2P games make their money?
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
13465
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Posted - 2013.01.11 21:24:00 -
[272] - Quote
March rabbit wrote:Let's take a look to RL and cars. Let's not. That was an awful comparison to make and completely irrelevant.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium Kill It With Fire
150
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Posted - 2013.01.11 23:46:00 -
[273] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
Well, there's also the possibility for corps to add them to a "corp thief/unwelcome" folder and receiving an automatic eve-mail once they get transferred to another account. Renaming and deleting their history would probably be easier to implement, though.
I am against renaming characters and deleting their corp history if it's unrelated to a character transfer between two players (NOT accounts).
OTOH, actions and consequences. If you use an alt as a thief, there should be some measure of repercussion, in all honesty. That would get removed from the equation if that change were to be made to the game. |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
881
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Posted - 2013.01.11 23:49:00 -
[274] - Quote
The F Word wrote:What would happen if name changes were made willy nilly, and corp history was erased?
Paranoia is already at maximum levels, I don't think it would have the effect everyone seems to fear.
Frankly, this is the way ahead. People need to grow up! |
Crexa
Star Mandate
22
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Posted - 2013.01.12 00:16:00 -
[275] - Quote
Katarina Reid wrote:I like the idea if you could have a name history list. Standings would need to carry over and maybe a notication if someone with standings changes there name. I dont think scammers can exploit it any more then they do now they just sell there character and buying a new one.
Known list of Aliases
I'm all for a name change option costing AUR as it is cosmetic after all. But the name history needs to stay with the character thru a list of Known Aliases. Spies, thieves, former people you want nothing to do with cannot be allowed to abuse.
And I like the guy who posted about some kind of color mark indicating character transfer. At least then, it might be possible to give a guy who has "changed hands" a chance, even if you watch them like a hawk. "...its breakfast time and i am very hungry. may i have some of your paint chips?" |
Irya Boone
Escadron leader
154
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Posted - 2013.01.12 00:43:00 -
[276] - Quote
Or one change name : when you buy the character on the market , or you can see it like you were buying a skill package to put in the new avatar ,skills=datas tout upload.
Line: Wts Xena >>>buyer just get the skill of xena (not the corpse) to upload in the new avatar ...
Improve C2 class WH More anos more signs ...RENAME null sec system With the name Of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It xill be awesome-á |
Carva
Omega Celestial Procurement Omega Consortium Projects
4
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Posted - 2013.01.12 01:24:00 -
[277] - Quote
This is my first toon. When I created her, I was unaware that you could use a space in your name and have a first and last name. I see no problem with being able to change a name. With proper limitations it could and should be done. |
Kahu ia Kane'ohe
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
76
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Posted - 2013.01.12 01:29:00 -
[278] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already (This is going to be a horrible idea) Just let people click on renamed character's information, and there should be big text that says, Example One (formerly Example Dos) :D "If you want a guarantee, buy a toaster." -Clint Eastwood |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
2501
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Posted - 2013.01.12 02:57:00 -
[279] - Quote
I would only support name changing as a part of a character transfer, and only because there are some horribly-named characters out there.
Clearing corp history...no. If you buy someone's safari alt that has a billion isk bounty and has been in 20 corps over 30 days, you should probably account for that in the payment price. Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement. |
TheNewestTwin
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
23
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Posted - 2013.01.12 17:07:00 -
[280] - Quote
I would quit eve if this name change thing became reality... |
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CooperJZ
Corporate Disaster
0
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Posted - 2013.01.12 19:39:00 -
[281] - Quote
Ive got a couple of toons i would love to change the name on. My son isnt the greatest namer lol. Niether one is a corp scammer or scammer of any type. Changing a name shouldnt be a big deal just add in the info thier old name. |
Kerdrak
D00M. Northern Coalition.
24
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Posted - 2013.01.12 21:34:00 -
[282] - Quote
Another tab like "employment history" that says "formerly known as" |
Red Teufel
Blackened Skies
211
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Posted - 2013.01.12 22:16:00 -
[283] - Quote
heh i'm still waiting for history to show if you got kicked or left during a war dec. also would like some kind of tag on a char if he is a convicted botter. |
Arronicus
Vintas Industries Mistakes Were Made.
48
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Posted - 2013.01.12 23:30:00 -
[284] - Quote
I support this at the 100$ price point. People with excess amounts of income that they are able to throw away on a game, should be able to get a leg up, and 'clean' characters, where most people who aren't well off shouldn't be able to. We need to segregate the eve population, to favour these wealthy individuals, and allow them to prosper.
Not really though. I think this is a terrible idea. Changing name? Maybe. Removing corp history? Definitely not. Eve is a game about reputations, past events, having to live with what you've done, with the spiderweb of events you have created for yourself. To allow you to simply pay your way, with out of game funds, out of your shady dealings, is so ridiculously contrary to the fundamentals of eve, that many of us would be obligated to stop calling eve a dark cold place where you reap what you sow.
"I've done bad things and I want to use my moms credit card to make it go away" No thanks! |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
1470
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Posted - 2013.01.13 00:14:00 -
[285] - Quote
I would pay to change my name. This was a character that was supposed to be deleted once I got a hang of things. That was 4 years ago.
I don't really care about my corp history. Heck, It would be fine with me if that showed a name change. |
Wandering Eagle
RoughNeckz Beyond The Dark
2
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Posted - 2013.01.13 00:28:00 -
[286] - Quote
ISD Praetoxx wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already It seems to be a topic that comes up again and again. IF it does get implemented, a history of past names/corps should be a given. And only a unique never before used name would be permitted as a replacement. Afterall, when you guys purchase a new character, you want to make your own history, not inherit it! Alternatively you could always wait for the 'Power of 2' offer when it comes around again.
I would only go for this if the above happens. I'm not a fan of my new toons name. That said I would never have an issue posting all my toons names past and present. So a name change with a List of "former" aliases could benefit both CCP and people like me that bought a toon for the skills.
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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
754
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Posted - 2013.01.13 08:19:00 -
[287] - Quote
Arronicus wrote:I"I've done bad things and I want to use my moms credit card to make it go away"!
Strawman. just saying bro'.
I will pay to see those words you "Quoted" in a forum post, before you pulled them out of your ass =P (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
Celly Smunt
Viziam Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2013.01.14 05:41:00 -
[288] - Quote
I'd go with the history view if name changes were implemented, no corp history erasure though.
As was stated so well earlier, your legacy in this game is your rep, there's no "Clean Slate" in a sandbox, but, typos, oddball names on purchased toons?, I could see that being done on a "Case by Case" basis.
o/ Celly
Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or be singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator. |
Bobo Cindekela
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
67
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Posted - 2013.01.14 06:33:00 -
[289] - Quote
I am plus wan for the character name and history to be wiped on character account transfer
I would also like an option to change race and a re-sculpt while we are at it
You are about to engage in an arguement with a forum alt,-á this is your final warning. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6410
|
Posted - 2013.01.14 06:45:00 -
[290] - Quote
I too wish for name changes... now that this isn't an alt the name is just weird "Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff-á |
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POKER CHIP
Eve Supply Company
8
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Posted - 2013.01.14 06:45:00 -
[291] - Quote
As in my case I just bought this char, previous owner was a corp thief, so no null sec alliances will accept me, I am harassed and threatened constantly. I would like a fresh start. I disagree about making tab to list old corps names etc. that doesn't give a new start. I paid 18b for this char and I should be able to not continue with another players **** name and history |
Slowjerk
Paragon INT Pendragon.
0
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Posted - 2013.01.14 06:46:00 -
[292] - Quote
I don't think it should be wiped clean but instead put a placeholder in employment like character was traded in bazaar. That way it's still there but people will know the toon was traded. If you have 50m sp and a clean history, people will probably treat you as if you had a really bad history anyways.
I wouldn't mind the name change but like above, players should be able to see your previous aliases. |
loco coco
18
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Posted - 2013.01.14 07:56:00 -
[293] - Quote
Can we at least get NPC corps removed from the list and maybe a consolidation of the same name for corps with the number of times we've been in the corp in parenthesis next to the name? |
Lovely Dumplings
Lambda Mining
40
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Posted - 2013.01.14 08:07:00 -
[294] - Quote
Arronicus wrote:I support this at the 100$ price point. People with excess amounts of income that they are able to throw away on a game, should be able to get a leg up, and 'clean' characters, where most people who aren't well off shouldn't be able to. We need to segregate the eve population, to favour these wealthy individuals, and allow them to prosper.
Not really though. I think this is a terrible idea. Changing name? Maybe. Removing corp history? Definitely not. Eve is a game about reputations, past events, having to live with what you've done, with the spiderweb of events you have created for yourself. To allow you to simply pay your way, with out of game funds, out of your shady dealings, is so ridiculously contrary to the fundamentals of eve, that many of us would be obligated to stop calling eve a dark cold place where you reap what you sow.
"I've done bad things and I want to use my moms credit card to make it go away" No thanks!
Thing is, the game already favors Mom's Credit Card. Make a char that does "bad Things". Buy a buncha PLEX. Sell plex for ISK. Buy a new char. Slate wiped clean, throw the old char up for sale.
You can do the same starting a new toon, but that sets you back training time. Be nice to see an "aka" tab, for sold chars. |
March rabbit
Aliastra
476
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Posted - 2013.01.14 08:11:00 -
[295] - Quote
Mag's wrote:March rabbit wrote:Let's take a look to RL and cars. Let's not. That was an awful comparison to make and completely irrelevant. next time use "makes no sence". It takes less amount of letters and means the same "i can't brain today" |
March rabbit
Aliastra
476
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Posted - 2013.01.14 08:12:00 -
[296] - Quote
Kerdrak wrote:Another tab like "employment history" that says "formerly known as" agree |
Etherealclams
288
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Posted - 2013.01.14 08:41:00 -
[297] - Quote
POKER CHIP wrote:As in my case I just bought this char, previous owner was a corp thief, so no null sec alliances will accept me, I am harassed and threatened constantly. I would like a fresh start. I disagree about making tab to list old corps names etc. that doesn't give a new start. I paid 18b for this char and I should be able to not continue with another players **** name and history
You bought a character without looking into it's background? Great job! Now you get the consequences. http://aclamthatrants.blogspot.com/ Read up on my adventures. |
Celly Smunt
Viziam Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2013.01.19 06:50:00 -
[298] - Quote
Etherealclams wrote:POKER CHIP wrote:As in my case I just bought this char, previous owner was a corp thief, so no null sec alliances will accept me, I am harassed and threatened constantly. I would like a fresh start. I disagree about making tab to list old corps names etc. that doesn't give a new start. I paid 18b for this char and I should be able to not continue with another players **** name and history You bought a character without looking into it's background? Great job! Now you get the consequences.
Yeah, while I feel for dude, i do agree that research should have been done. Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or be singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator. |
Raw Matters
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2013.01.19 09:35:00 -
[299] - Quote
Eve is a game of consequences, if any of that changes all of Eve will change with it. So as long as I can still see all those actions taken by that player even after renaming it is fine with me, but if this becomes a "get out of jail" for 15$ card it will have severe impact on the consequences part. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
360
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Posted - 2013.01.19 09:38:00 -
[300] - Quote
No. If you want instant gratification, go stimulate your genitals. EvE is Hard, deal with it. |
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Certo Morte
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.01.19 10:42:00 -
[301] - Quote
The problem with a corp history wipe is you'd have to also do something like delete all previous loss-mails, because those have the history.
I'm fully supportive of it, as long as there IS a way to access the characters previous name and history. |
Kral Erdogan
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.01.19 14:42:00 -
[302] - Quote
The only way this could work is if, in addition to a "Previously known as..." tab, characters are given (and sorry if this has been mentioned):
A Unique Number I.D.: This I.D. would be next to a character's name and would be randomly generated. This number would NEVER change and would be a valid tool for character search. This way, you can add someone's I.D. so that, even if they change their name, you'll always know who they are.
As for employment history, no. Stand by who you joined and if you did it as a joke that's your own fault. |
Altered Ego
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
5
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Posted - 2013.01.22 06:00:00 -
[303] - Quote
Bump ... I still want a new name. |
Goran Konjich
Shiva Furnace
51
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Posted - 2013.01.22 06:46:00 -
[304] - Quote
Altered Ego wrote:Bump ... I still want a new name.
Your name is great .... but back ontopic > c'mon CCP give us this ASAP.
Price 2xPLEX (possible only every 4 years) (i went up from 1xPLEX and 3 years ) Sh1va Furnace is recruiting. Small gang PVP in wormholes and lowsec. |
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
198
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Posted - 2013.01.22 08:08:00 -
[305] - Quote
I think the concept of buying and selling characters is complete BS, it should be outlawed. It irks me to know people are buying their way into the game. Name changes and employment history wipes are also a negative thing simply because what you do in the game is who you are.. forever and I like that. If your a D-bag scammer, that reputation should haunt you forever with that character.
There are too many "free passes" already in this game. The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub.-á |
rofflesausage
State War Academy Caldari State
65
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Posted - 2013.01.22 10:27:00 -
[306] - Quote
Kryss Darkdust wrote:I think the concept of buying and selling characters is complete BS, it should be outlawed. It irks me to know people are buying their way into the game.
Thing is, it's going to happen even if it wasn't CCP sanctioned. So it makes more sense to have the system in place so people can do it legitimately and CCP can take a cut. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
120
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Posted - 2013.01.22 10:33:00 -
[307] - Quote
No No No No Nooooooooooooooo fuckin Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !
if you want a new name create a new char, if you want to buy a char then off you go and do so, but to introduce it into the game as a feature, last time ladies, get real, you are who you make yourself, this is EVE !
i bet you same fucks whine about not getting enough isk,pvp,pve,mining,exploration, wh and so on, but never undock.
away and find something contructive to do instead of feeding this stupid idea. |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.01.22 10:36:00 -
[308] - Quote
Also, this is another way for CCP to generate income. So in the end for those players who decide to change there name, they are benefiting future eve development.
Personally I like the idea of charging a cost of 3 or 4 PLEX for a full name and corp history removal, also I think the character should suffer a 10% SP penalty due to the mental scarring effects of a complete identification change. That would obviously discourage highly skilled players but be not too much of a barrier to younger players.
Personally I think changing your identity like this is just the same as using alts and buying new characters so I don't see the issue, I think those who have an issue then it is possibly a knee jerk reaction to change. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians Tribal Band
198
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Posted - 2013.01.22 10:41:00 -
[309] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:*stuff* Oh, I see your point completely. It's hard to distinguish where the line would be, and on a personal level I wouldn't support being able to erase or modify a character's corporation history at all. Your history of employment in EVE should always be your character's legacy, and you should on that basis pick and choose whom you work for carefully. There's some good points being brought forward in this thread Perhaps put the full name change history into the API of the toon. Pretty much every every corp worth noticing requires some form of API for applications, and even corps that require a very limited API could easily include this.
And while it could be gamed by people 'selling' toons to their own alts, changing the name afterwards and applying to corps as a 'new' player, the recruitment officers could still see this through the API and decide not to believe the players story. "The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers." -á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012
Umad forum warriors? |
W3370Pi4
Comel Technology
100
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Posted - 2013.01.22 10:45:00 -
[310] - Quote
The eve online motto is your actions have consequences now you deal with the consequences of your actions. ________________________________________ GåÆGÿà Join the "Legit Trading" Channel - http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Legit_Trading GåÉGÿà |
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Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.01.22 10:54:00 -
[311] - Quote
W3370Pi4 wrote:The eve online motto is your actions have consequences now you deal with the consequences of your actions.
Or you can create an alt or buy a new character from the character bazaar. |
W3370Pi4
Comel Technology
100
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Posted - 2013.01.22 11:09:00 -
[312] - Quote
Yes but it requires more effort than if CCP had it setup as a service ________________________________________ GåÆGÿà Join the "Legit Trading" Channel - http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Legit_Trading GåÉGÿà |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
122
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Posted - 2013.01.22 11:11:00 -
[313] - Quote
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:W3370Pi4 wrote:The eve online motto is your actions have consequences now you deal with the consequences of your actions. Or you can create an alt or buy a new character from the character bazaar.
create a new one,, nobody gives a ****,, buy a char from the bazaar,, guess what, that char has a corp history which can be traced leading upto the char being sold on the bazaar, name change,, NO, corp history removal, NO.
now away and undock and actualy play the game.
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Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
199
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Posted - 2013.01.22 11:27:00 -
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Rebecha Pucontis wrote:W3370Pi4 wrote:The eve online motto is your actions have consequences now you deal with the consequences of your actions. Or you can create an alt or buy a new character from the character bazaar.
Bingo.. Its hypocracy with work arounds. I love Eve and I live with its flaws, but it does have them and among the top beefs I have is this sort of hypocracy we get with various mechanics and workarounds. Throw away alts, buying your way into characters, the whole PLEX system that puts people with money into Titans... All of it is just a big workaround actually playing the game and earning what you have.
I do agree with rofflesausage in that, this whole character purchasing thing WILL happen, it will either be done under the radar or legitimatily but no one in the gaming industry has ever managed to control it, so I think if we are going to have it, it should be made legitimate.. But for gods sake don't make it a third party business. It can be discourage even if sanctioned and one of the ways its discouraged is that you don't know the reputation of the character your buying nore can you control his name, which has the exact effect we want.. makes people think twice about doing it. The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub.-á |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.01.22 12:17:00 -
[315] - Quote
I don't see the problem in essence in paying to have an identity change. This is a science fictional universe set in the far future, so are you telling me the possibility to cover your identity would not exist?
Yes it should have costs, and those costs should be heavy, particuarly in the case of older more skilled players wanting to do this. But we already having all kinds of spying, theft, subterfuge, the creation of spy alts and buying blank characters from the bazaar. This is simply another method to allow players more freedom as would be the case in a real eve universe. |
Nightshade Mary
Sarz'na Khumatari The Unthinkables
14
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Posted - 2013.01.22 15:46:00 -
[316] - Quote
I'd be all for it if the option to wipe both corp history and change the character name was available only upon sale of the character. The corp history could show an entry that shows "Records sealed by Concord" or something like that.
But only if something like what follows is implemented as well.
Background check agents. They work just like the locator agents that we currently have except they dig up the previous name(s) and corp history. The older the character is, the more expensive it gets to get the information.
Everybody happy, they buyer gets the name he or she likes plus a semi-clean slate and the prospecitive corp leader can do a background check, provided he spends the ISK on it. |
Zangorus
Viziam Amarr Empire
676
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Posted - 2013.01.22 16:36:00 -
[317] - Quote
Nightshade Mary wrote:I'd be all for it if the option to wipe both corp history and change the character name was available only upon sale of the character. The corp history could show an entry that shows "Records sealed by Concord" or something like that.
But only if something like what follows is implemented as well.
Background check agents. They work just like the locator agents that we currently have except they dig up the previous name(s) and corp history. The older the character is, the more expensive it gets to get the information.
Everybody happy, they buyer gets the name he or she likes plus a semi-clean slate and the prospecitive corp leader can do a background check, provided he spends the ISK on it. You said what I was thinking but better :) thumps up yo Like my comment and recieve 1 million isk ingame! |
Bolsak
V.E.I. -Entropy-
0
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Posted - 2013.01.22 16:42:00 -
[318] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
If CCP offers the ability to sell pilots to new people, then the new person should also have some function of wiping the slate clean from the original ownerGÇÖs transgressions. I fully support name change and corp history wipe. Maybe add something to the corp history that specifies the pilot changing hands.
And no, I never sold or purchased a toon.
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The F Word
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
47
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Posted - 2013.01.22 17:55:00 -
[319] - Quote
Simple solution, when you biomass a character their SP become free SP for any other characters on the account.
Have it cost some trivial amount, and train characters 3x as fast.
There's really no point in not having this at this point. Or better yet, just sell SP packs in the NeX, 4500AUR per 10m SP. New Eden has become a complacent comfortable place, bring back the paranoia, the big events, the stuff it was built on.
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Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
783
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Posted - 2013.01.22 18:01:00 -
[320] - Quote
Just pointing out that the last two posters in this thread were named:
Bolsack and The F word.
Name Changes are needed! (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |
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Bolsak
V.E.I. -Entropy-
0
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Posted - 2013.01.22 18:40:00 -
[321] - Quote
Tom Gerard wrote:Just pointing out that the last two posters in this thread were named:
Bolsack and The F word.
Name Changes are needed!
My toons name is actually Bolsak (Bulsak), I'm not sure what you're trying to imply, but it means mattress in Indonesian. |
Nex Killer
Steel Nexus
6
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Posted - 2013.01.22 18:56:00 -
[322] - Quote
I would like to see paid name changes. It would be a good income for CCP plus I bet it would make a lot of the player base happy. Now I know some people don't want this to happen because what if John Doe stole 100B ISK from his last corporation changes his name and joins a new corporation to just do it again because no one knows who he is. Now no one wants something like this to happen but I think CCP could do something to see the past records of the player.
Now I've played a lot of other MMOs in my time and I've seen many ways other companies handle name changes. They could do something that Aion does when it comes to a name change. When someone changes their name in Aion there is no way of seeing what their last name was in game but if you go onto the website to the Shadow Court Archives you can look up their name and it tells you their previous name. Here is what they say about it:
Quote: How will my friends know that I've changed my character name? Each character name change is tracked and displayed in the Shadow Court Archives and updated on your friends' lists. In this way, everyone is able to see the change in game and out of game.
Or CCP could do what Jagex does with Runescape. When a player changes their name if you hover a players name in your friends list it tells you their previous name. Now that only works for a month then you can't hover over the names to get the previous name.
Quote: Changing your character name is one of the many ways you can customise your account and make it stand out from the crowd.
You can change your character name every 28 days; we recommend that you take a look at our guidelines on inappropriate language before you make any changes.
Now if I was CCP I would do one of two things. I would make a new tab in the player info that shows all previous names or I would make a new money sink. If you want a players past info you would have to paid for the info. All name changes would be on a month cooldown and cost about 2 plex or $20.
Now for corporation history removal that is a totally different subject. I would say make it like name changes have a new tab in player info that shows it or make players have to pay for that info. But I really don't know about that and what the cost for it should be. I would say make it cost a lot something like $70 - $100.
TL:DR version: Just read it...
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Kenneth O'Hara
11153
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Posted - 2013.01.22 18:58:00 -
[323] - Quote
I still say we should have a skill set for "Forgery" to create and detect character's previous name and history. If you didn't invest time into the skills, you deserved to get robbed. If you didn't invest time into the skills, you deserved to get caught. Plain and simple. Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas. ~Isaac Clarke *Bait* with your altGäó *Bacon* with your mainGäó |
D'go Jahn
EVE University Ivy League
8
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Posted - 2013.02.11 22:19:00 -
[324] - Quote
This thread has seen a half-dozen quality methods of reducing or eliminating the downsides of name changing.
Corporation history and other things aside. Name changing would be simple and quick to implement and you could do it in a way that would prohibit abuse. After reviewing this thread, there's no intelligent reason not to have this option.
Also, to all the condescendingly paternal tough-guy asshats. Thank you for telling us to live with our consequences. Your saged fatherly advice has changed our hearts and caused us to reassess how we choose to live as fictional videogame characters. Your input on this forum and in this thread is anything but a total joke and you should continue posting your opinions for our betterment. |
Reiisha
Evolution The Retirement Club
227
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Posted - 2013.02.11 22:24:00 -
[325] - Quote
ISD Praetoxx wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already It seems to be a topic that comes up again and again. IF it does get implemented, a history of past names/corps should be a given. And only a unique never before used name would be permitted as a replacement. Afterall, when you guys purchase a new character, you want to make your own history, not inherit it! Alternatively you could always wait for the 'Power of 2' offer when it comes around again.
To be honest, if you want to make your own history, make a new character. If you buy a character you should be ready to deal with the possible consequences, that includes dealing with any history.
If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all... |
Benilopax
Solar Storm Insidious Empire
397
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Posted - 2013.02.11 23:54:00 -
[326] - Quote
I have always assumed that these names we have are not so much names as aliases or call signs. If you change your name you should have all other aliases or call signs listed on show info. ... |
Benilopax
Solar Storm Insidious Empire
397
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Posted - 2013.02.11 23:58:00 -
[327] - Quote
Is it time to take this to the assembly hall? ... |
Aren Madigan
EVE University Ivy League
70
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Posted - 2013.02.12 00:09:00 -
[328] - Quote
Reiisha wrote:To be honest, if you want to make your own history, make a new character. If you buy a character you should be ready to deal with the possible consequences, that includes dealing with any history.
In a way, but at the same time it could almost turn the character bazaar into a sort of roundabout scam. I mean, part of it is supposed to be complete disclosure, right? So in a way, scammer could use their scam alts as training ones, scam, cheat, steal from people until everyone is out to get them and then sell it when they're ready before starting anew. So while someone will buy the character, maybe they can't do what they intend with it because of the reputation being too trashy and they happened to miss the memo. So instead of knowing what they're getting into as intended with the bazaar, they have no idea. Perhaps not against the rules of the character bazaar, but seems to be against the spirit of the rules. |
Kathern Aurilen
14
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Posted - 2013.02.12 00:53:00 -
[329] - Quote
Dave Stark wrote:TriadSte wrote:we didn't know it was set in stone when we joined this game. O.o really? pretty much every time you pick a name for anything, it's permanent. it's kinda the point of having names. my XBOX LIVE name isn't permanentt... 800 Microsoft points(10$) boom new name I am a chat alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew -á:(
I named my mining frig adVenture time!! |
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Drop Forged Trifectas Syndicate
219
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:08:00 -
[330] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
Playing devil's advocate for a moment, many scammers in real life shed identities like snake shed their skin, and oftentimes, those shady players are selling their toons on the Character Bazaar anyways. So if someone creates a new toon every few months and goes out and scams the pants off of someone, then sells the toon after making a new one to repeat the cycle, the toon itself is not responsible for the scamming/corp theiving/etc. It's the person behind the character that counts, and until you find a way to link real identities to toons, there is no point (sometimes) to have a link to past identities because it might not even be the same player anymore. A character could go from an evil bastard to a full-on saint, and the only one who gets punished is the saint for the actions of the bastard.
Like I said, devil's advocate. Life is full of little victories...for example, not soiling myself when I break wind.-á Learn to appreciate them for what they truly are. |
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Kathern Aurilen
14
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:17:00 -
[331] - Quote
Cutter Isaacson wrote:Honestly, its the one thing that's kept me from buying a character. Last thing i want is to buy a toon whose name is Fatty McSpankyPants. I think a rename/wiped corp history should only be available if you purchase a toon. After all, when you buy a character there can be a lot of negative history that's hard to know about that comes with it. I think the name change should also have a time limit of like a week. So people who buy a toon can't rack up a history and then a month later change the name.
Hmm. I'll spend years being a corp thief, jumping from corp to corp scamming people for billions and stealing all their stuff, but then I have to stop because no-one will hire me. Oh wait, I don't have to do that at all, I'll just sell myself...to myself. Name change and corp history wipe, thank you that'll do nicely. Now back to doing exactly what I was doing with no repercussions at all because "I'm not the same person anymore".
And if you can't see anything wrong with the above scenario, please get out of EVE and go play solitaire.[/quote]How is that different any different than having a gank alt that gets bio massed every month or so and retrained to gank? Dose that mean when we look at a alt we should see the entire account's history of all their alts? That way I can hunt down their main money making alt and play a lil "Grudge Brothers" or "Judge Mental" with their money like they did to yours? I am a chat alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew -á:(
I named my mining frig adVenture time!! |
Kathern Aurilen
14
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Posted - 2013.02.12 01:52:00 -
[332] - Quote
Ginger Barbarella wrote:You (or the previous owner of the toon you bought) made that toon who/what it is. History matters. Realize you've been a ******* and your history is following you? Too damn bad. Either deal with it, sell the toon, or trash bin it.
Some things shouldn't have a price tag on it to sanitize it. I want to see what kind of douchebaggery you've participated in to know whether you can be trusted or not, and I don't need an API key to do it. But the new owner didn't participate in all the "evil doing"... If we wanna see all the douchebaggery a character participated in... why no show ALL THE ALTS HISTORY??? Look at one see them all. That would show all the history of gank alts and what account they're being funded by that way a gank alt can be hurt where they live and not just gank and bio massed to hide the history, Rinse and Repeat I am a chat alt, unskilled in the ways of pewpew -á:(
I named my mining frig adVenture time!! |
Katie Frost
Asgard. Exodus.
149
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Posted - 2013.02.12 02:10:00 -
[333] - Quote
This argument has been going back and forth for quite a few years and likewise in this thread.
The bottom line is that there is really no logical counter-argument to implementing this feature while making previous names + corp history available by simply adding an additional tab in the character info labelled "AKA". The name change ability should be time-limited (1 per 12 months), costly (PLEX/Aur) and should also include a full re-sculpt of both gender and portrait in case the person is unhappy with their chosen toon.
There are really no conGÇÖs to this process. It is easy to implement, financially advantageous to CCP and it provides a clearly wanted service for the players. There should be no 'escaping your pastGÇÖ or GÇÿwiping the slate cleanGÇÖ as the previous names and corp affiliations remain recorded with the toon, albeit on a separate tab in the character sheet; so if purchasing a character, players should be encouraged to pay attention to the characterGÇÖs corp history and do some background research. Therefore that whole GÇÿyour reputationGÇÖ argument is settled.
It would be good to hear back from CCP on what their thoughts are on this, besides the initial post by CCP Falcon. I think this thread has run its course in terms of proposing arguments that are not recycled versions of what has been already posted. |
Joran Dravius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.02.12 02:38:00 -
[334] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already Personally, I think when a character is transferred to another account owned by a different player it should get a name change. It's a new player behind the character so keeping the old reputation isn't a concern. |
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
49
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Posted - 2013.02.12 02:58:00 -
[335] - Quote
This sounds suspiciously like an "idea" or an added "feature".
Thank you. |
Kyrin Ravenlock
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.02.12 03:07:00 -
[336] - Quote
Since i cant be arsed to read all 17 some pages this may have been suggested already, but since the two sides seem to be the "oh its new rl person the history is now irrelevant" and the " you bought the char deal with the history", how about a compromise? Whenever a character is sold on the bazaar, put a line in the corp history section that says "character was bought on xx/xx/xxxx" This way we keep the characters history intact yet also give those buying a character a way to explain why the characters last 12 corps were robbed to oblivion. While this does lend to the possibility of abuse(via buying your own char with a second account just to get that marker) i think its a acceptable tradeoff to at least give the new owners at least some ground to stand on when a corp looks at their history.
EDIT: on the subject of names, you can change your name irl so i dont see why we cant in game. although just like irl a record should be kept of previous names(somewhere on the char sheet) |
Victor Maximus
The Advent of Faith
5
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Posted - 2013.02.12 04:28:00 -
[337] - Quote
I think EVE more than most games need some concept of character renaming. Odds are that for many a good name a decade ago might not quite fit you today.
Instead of a full on character rename what about the ability to create a nickname for a character.
I might set my characters nickname to 'Vic' and in chat, space, mails etc it would show up as such. Once you inspect me however you see both the nickname and the full name in the character sheet. You get to be seen as someone else without it taking more than a click to see who you really are. You can't escape your past.
Limitations, costs, and timers are left to ccp.
As for the corp history, I think we really need a line in the corp history denoting when a character was sold. At a minimum.
What I would really like to see is the character bazzar taken in game, spiced up with a dash of lore a bit of flavor.
Stole from the wrong people? Need to disappear before they 'disappear' you? For a price it can be done, if you can get in contact with the right sort of merchant. Everything has its price, and the only question is if you can pay. Let identities become a commodity, and let people buy or sell theirs.
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Dasola
Rookie Empire Citizens Rookie Empire
143
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Posted - 2013.02.12 05:03:00 -
[338] - Quote
My personal view is game has things that need much more developer love then this...
Im not totally against name change, but you should not be able to hide your past. And even name chnage should be limited option and expensive... One name change for 2-3 years allowed and you get big fat flag on your character saying: Not original name...
Eve is game where your choises is supposed to matter, if you can eaily escape some of consequences of those choises, well... Its not eve anymore. Yes its not imbossible now days either to escape them, but you pay by having to reroll your entire charachter...
If you are corporate thief and you just stole 100 bil isk, whats one plex to escape that past? Nothing. Thats why i want name changes to be expensive, seriously. And that high price also means you actually put some thinking into good character name. [Insert something funny or smart here]
Good lord has set me on path, sometimes im confused about what he wants from me. But path leads on, towards why he placed me on this wonderfull planet... |
Desimus Maximus
Adiumentum.
17
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Posted - 2013.02.12 07:25:00 -
[339] - Quote
Name change.. on transfer only to an account with separate IP and CC#.
Corp history intrigues me.. Some of us get sucked into a corp that made the promise of uber ISK and players on at all times.. only to find out after 2 weeks that you've seen a total of 3 members online and they are all clueless trolls. It may take time for a pilot to find the right fit.
Corp history could have a 1 month probationary period where you have the option to remove within that time. After the month it is permanent. And personal 1 man corps that we have all created with eyes on dominating New Eden only to find out that you don't like the grind of recruiting after 3 days... Those too could be done away with in corp history.
If not, I guess I'll live. |
Goran Konjich
Shiva Furnace
54
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Posted - 2013.02.12 08:41:00 -
[340] - Quote
Take this to assembly hall please. Sh1va Furnace is recruiting. |
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
124
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Posted - 2013.02.12 08:51:00 -
[341] - Quote
close this already devs, the answer is NO. this idea goes against all that is EVE. if someone wants a new name and clean history buy a new account. end of ! |
Caitlyn Tufy
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
175
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Posted - 2013.02.12 09:16:00 -
[342] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote: I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this.
I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases.
I don't mind a paid name and even race/sex change, provided, as you said, the past identities are freely available. We don't need another Broker, do we? ;)
Though, to be honest, I don't really think it's needed and it would be too easily abused anyway. |
Carniflex
StarHunt
34
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Posted - 2013.02.12 09:28:00 -
[343] - Quote
ISD Praetoxx wrote: Afterall, when you guys purchase a new character, you want to make your own history, not inherit it!
Alternatively you could always wait for the 'Power of 2' offer when it comes around again.
I am opposed to this idea.
If you want to make your own history you make a new character. If you buy a character you are buying it with all its legacy (so pick carefully), which may or may not involve good number of ex-corpmates that would like to see you dead regardless if its profitable or not.
Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... *THWONK!* GOT the bastard. |
Tom Gerard
Glorious Nation of Kazakhstan
838
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Posted - 2013.02.12 10:32:00 -
[344] - Quote
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:close this already devs, the answer is NO. this idea goes against all that is EVE. if someone wants a new name and clean history buy a new account. end of !
Thank you for contributing your opinion, it is part of what makes these forums great. However please respect the rights of others to express THEIR opinions.
I am obviously a supporter of name changes, I am even a fan of name change history through an API function. I do not however, have any interest in buying a character out of the Bazaar until this detail is sorted out. Hey, I just met you... and this is crazy but you popped my Rifter, so don't pod me maybe? |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
124
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Posted - 2013.02.12 13:22:00 -
[345] - Quote
Tom Gerard wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:close this already devs, the answer is NO. this idea goes against all that is EVE. if someone wants a new name and clean history buy a new account. end of ! Thank you for contributing your opinion, it is part of what makes these forums great. However please respect the rights of others to express THEIR opinions. I am obviously a supporter of name changes, I am even a fan of name change history through an API function. I do not however, have any interest in buying a character out of the Bazaar until this detail is sorted out.
you're welcome, my opinion is needed, if you had read back through the thread you'd have seen i've given mine a few times. so your a fan of changing your name, well it's rather easy man, buy a new one from bazaar and deal with the history it has on it, or,,, but a new account and create a history to your liking.
name and history changes on current accounts is something that should never ever be allowed.
you made your bed,,,,, now sleep in it ! |
Rebecha Pucontis
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
30
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Posted - 2013.02.12 16:33:00 -
[346] - Quote
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:close this already devs, the answer is NO. this idea goes against all that is EVE. if someone wants a new name and clean history buy a new account. end of !
You sound scared.
When people feel the need to say "end of" at the end of their sentence you know it is because they are scared.
Actually a Dev replied to this topic and said it was something CCP were perhaps considering for the future but were not certain yet. So you are both scared and incorrect. |
Taihbea
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
124
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Posted - 2013.02.12 17:37:00 -
[347] - Quote
Leave all previous corps history but let name be changed once per account. Althose P0WnZoRBoYZ named bazaar accounts are ******* stupid. I want their skills not a ******** name. |
Aion Amarra
0
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Posted - 2013.02.12 18:27:00 -
[348] - Quote
Assuming a name change history and no corp history wipe, as many people already suggested, I'd be all for it.
Named this char when I was 15, the last name isn't even a reference to Amarrians. It's ridiculous.
Also the initials are A.A.
Been feeling the strong urge to rename it for five years counting. |
Sol Weinstein
Lunatic Warfare Federation
56
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Posted - 2013.02.12 19:44:00 -
[349] - Quote
This [completlely gamebreaking] FEATURE and [proposed way too often, without realizing the ConsequencesGäó of ChoiceGäó] IDEA still resides in General Discussion?
Interesting.
Thank you. |
Huufalem Oskold
Arm and Hammer Industries Beacon Light Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.02.12 19:54:00 -
[350] - Quote
Honestly I think name change is brilliantine and the fact eve doesn't have it is ridiculousness! Think of the possibility, I mean for starters people change their names in real life all the time why not in Eve as well? Also the arability to infiltrate and obtain information would be super fun under you new identity. |
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers R O G U E
125
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Posted - 2013.02.13 12:41:00 -
[351] - Quote
Rebecha Pucontis wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:close this already devs, the answer is NO. this idea goes against all that is EVE. if someone wants a new name and clean history buy a new account. end of ! You sound scared. When people feel the need to say "end of" at the end of their sentence you know it is because they are scared. Actually a Dev replied to this topic and said it was something CCP were perhaps considering for the future but were not certain yet. So you are both scared and incorrect.
get a grip on yourself, concerned yes, scared,, lmfao,,, are you smoking something. look it's real simple, EVE is very very different to every single other game online, nothing is even close to what CCP have given us in EVE. name and history changes would have a huge impact on game play. i can't speak for all, i can only speak for me, my opinion stands as i have stated.
NO to name changes, NO to history changes.
and just for you
end of.
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HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
147
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Posted - 2013.02.13 14:58:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
I feel if it could only be tied to the purchase of the charecter it would be great. The toons history should be tied to the person that played the toon and created its history not the person that buys the toon. On the flip side should you really expect to be able to sell a toon that has a crappy history? |
Zendon Taredi
Doodus Exploration Corporation
27
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Posted - 2013.02.13 15:44:00 -
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Hell no. Hell no. Hell no. Freaking nightmare. I do background checks for a mid-size alliance. |
YuuKnow
boom-town
643
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Posted - 2013.02.15 00:07:00 -
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Would be easy to put previous name as an alias. Should show up in a character search as well (old and new).
yk |
Hazzard
Imperial Guardians Tribal Band
24
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Posted - 2013.02.15 17:36:00 -
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Tom Gerard wrote:The problem:
Everytime I look for a character on the Bazaar he turns out to be a corp thief or otherwise unwelcome.
Solution:
Offer paid name changes that include a full history wipe.
$100 per character, would reduce abuse of the mechanic, maybe even only allow it on transferred characters.
The Bazaar is not nearly as awesome as it could be, make it that awesome!
Awful idea. If the char does something bad the history should follow. |
Goran Konjich
Shiva Furnace
54
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Posted - 2013.03.18 12:04:00 -
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Repeating myself again:
Namechange = 2PLEX every 3 years
History = no change, always visible on char info Old name = no change, always visible on char info
Simple. boring |
Doctor Ape MD
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.03.18 14:29:00 -
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I think having a name change service is a good idea, as long as there is a record of it somewhere in the API along with a corp history. I mean, I don't think I should look at somebody and see 'Super Badboy (aka xxXxB@dboyxXxx) or whatever with a 'show info', but I should be able to see it with an API key. I also think the 'old corp history' should be stored in the API but not immediately visible to other random people. Let that person explain the change to their new corp (bazaar transaction, hated old name, whatever).
I mean, I can change my name in RL with no problem, so what's the big deal?
Personally, the fact that it could enable nefarious people to do more wacky corp hijinks doesn't really bother me. It just means corps will have to be more careful in how they recruit. This is Eve after all. Maybe set some limitation that allows one name change at character creation and one more every couple of years (sort of like a remap) to stop people from abusing it.
I would say that, either way, if CCP is going to do it, they should just do it right. None of this $100 dollar to change name stuff. Either do it and make it accessible for most capsuleers (a PLEX or similar fee), or don't bother with it at all. |
Milan Nantucket
New Eden Misfits
12
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Posted - 2013.03.18 16:16:00 -
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Instead of a name change do a mind transfer... basically charge for transferring all the skills from one toon to the other. Old toon simply starts at 0. New toon starts with the skills that were transferred.
Call it a breakthrough in clone technology or something... when your podded your mind technically transfers to a new clone. |
Tiberius StarGazer
StarGazer Heavy Industries And Exploration
308
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Posted - 2013.03.18 17:16:00 -
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Personally, you buy the "persona" of that particular toon, his skills, history, and other useful information. It wont matter to the other people on the end of their computers that this "name" has someone different behind it, at the end of the day, that charecter is that charecter.
I would always aproach buying a toon the same way as you buy a second hand car, you vet its history, you check the servicing and make sure its road worthy. Afterall you want to make sure your not buying a stolen car or one thats been in a crash dont you?
If you dont want to play as a corporate theif, then make sure your not buying one.
Instead, I suggest that maybe the vetting ability for people either buying AND recruiting new players to their corporation be improved so that people can either
i) Check the history of their charecter before purchase or
ii) Allow other people see that the charecters ownership has changed.
However, I can imagine ii would be opened up to a whole load of abuse with people passing around the same charecter for whatever requirements they have. |
marVLs
100
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Posted - 2013.03.18 17:39:00 -
[360] - Quote
Corp history cleaning? Yup |
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Tom Gerard
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
970
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Posted - 2013.03.18 17:42:00 -
[361] - Quote
Tiberius StarGazer wrote:Personally, you buy the "persona" of that particular toon, his skills, history, and other useful information. It wont matter to the other people on the end of their computers that this "name" has someone different behind it, at the end of the day, that charecter is that charecter.
I would always aproach buying a toon the same way as you buy a second hand car, you vet its history, you check the servicing and make sure its road worthy. Afterall you want to make sure your not buying a stolen car or one thats been in a crash dont you?
If you dont want to play as a corporate theif, then make sure your not buying one.
Instead, I suggest that maybe the vetting ability for people either buying AND recruiting new players to their corporation be improved so that people can either
i) Check the history of their charecter before purchase or
ii) Allow other people see that the charecters ownership has changed.
However, I can imagine ii would be opened up to a whole load of abuse with people passing around the same charecter for whatever requirements they have.
Except in real life buying the wrong car doesn't often include **** gangs that stalk you across the known universe, in this way the "car buying" experience differs. One of the oldest mission players in EVE designed a chart that explains stat priority in regards to mission running, compared Alpha, DPS, Ship Speed and Sig Radius and scores them. http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m24dbrfuWn1r86ax8o1_1280.jpg |
Notorious Fellon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
35
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Posted - 2013.03.18 17:43:00 -
[362] - Quote
Until we can lock down character transfers and prevent them from transfer to the same "PERSON" then I prefer this approach:
Don't buy tainted goods.
If the pilot never sells, or the price has to be lowered to rock-bottom due to piracy or other nonsense; good. |
Namdor
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2013.03.18 17:49:00 -
[363] - Quote
Without opining on the necessity or desirability of it all, it does, at least, seem a little bit weird that in a futuristic dystopian space setting, there is no seedy black market dealing in fake identities.
That is something of a staple in a lot of scifi. |
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
525
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Posted - 2013.03.18 17:57:00 -
[364] - Quote
No, No, No, and No, and some more No. |
Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
715
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:07:00 -
[365] - Quote
Tom Gerard wrote:Except in real life buying the wrong car doesn't often include **** gangs that stalk you across the known universe, in this way the "car buying" experience differs. Eve has consequences.
History of the character is one consequence.
-no-
Interdict Hi-Sec - it's the only way to be sure... |
Vera Algaert
Republic University Minmatar Republic
845
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:16:00 -
[366] - Quote
Terrorfrodo wrote:How is the reputation of a character even an issue for traded characters? If you buy a known corp thief, you can always direct people to the bazaar thread where they can see that the character has changed hands. Only idiots would distrust you because you play a character that was a thief in another player's hands. All that proves is that you paid CCP $20 in an attempt to whitewash your character's reputation.
There's no way to prove that the character did not just change accounts but did actually change owners.
(and yes, scammers actually do real or fake transfers from one of their accounts to another one to exploit gullible people such as yourself) TEST alt - don't trust. |
mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
280
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Posted - 2013.03.18 18:18:00 -
[367] - Quote
Name change makes me uneasy. Aside from a feeling that having more paid services directly affect the game isn't good for Eve, there's also the issue of accountability. As it stands, there is already almost no accountability in Eve due to many players having multiple accounts and the ease of character trading. Introducing a name change will lower the bar yet again.
Corp history is something I'm ok with, mainly because people can get these monstrous 20 page lists of corps that are begging to be cut down. Still, I'd rather this service be tied to the game somehow. Be it getting standings with an intelligence corporation, manufacturing a hard to acquire single use booster, etc. I think it's really cool when even high level functions like this are tied directly to MMO worlds. Of course, I understand it's likely CCP would take the easy route and charge PLEX for it.
The only quibble I have with corp history is that API calls to corp history should always show the entire list, which means it's mainly a cosmetic change, not a way to permanently hide your character history. |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
552
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Posted - 2013.03.18 20:06:00 -
[368] - Quote
IMHO when people buy characters, they buy them for their skills and not their history. I think that the removal is not real big deal. The thing people are fretting over (reputation) is easily bypassed with alt accounts and buying/selling characters. Corp thieves, awoxers, and spies can easily sell the character they did bad things on and buy a new one with the same skills or very near the same. CCP don't make us wait another decade for a drone overhaul; DRONE OVERHAUL NOW! |
YuuKnow
Terra-Formers
679
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Posted - 2013.03.18 23:16:00 -
[369] - Quote
What's stupid about the whole lack of name change is that right now in RL I could get in my car and drive down to the courthouse and easily legally change my name (married wives do it routinely) or change the name of my business, with the caveat that my previous name is always on file.
Yet in the make-believe-world of Eve there is some sort of weird stupidity that changing a name will somehow allow players to be virtual chameleon's.... which is a stupid belief. Just put the previous alias's in the character window and make them searchable.
-1 to CCP for there pseudo-logic how about names adjustments somehow magically resolve consequences.
yk |
Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2709
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Posted - 2013.03.18 23:48:00 -
[370] - Quote
Goran Konjich wrote:Repeating myself again:
Namechange = 2PLEX every 3 years
History = no change, always visible on char info Old name = no change, always visible on char info
Simple.
Bad necro.
Apparently booking your flight & accomodation to Iceland BEFORE you buy the tickets for the convention which is pretty much the only reason you wanted to go there in the first place is popular. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
196
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Posted - 2013.03.19 00:18:00 -
[371] - Quote
Necro-ing threads is at least frowned upon. This topic has had a good debate, but that has now ended. If you are realy serious in furthering this goal, I suggest you make it into a formal proposal and post it in the Feature & Ideas Discussion forum section.
Thread locked. ISD Ezwal Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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