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Casirio
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
133
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:00:00 -
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I too have mixed feelings about this.. I think if CCP was to implement a name change system. It would have to include a few things.
1) An indiction on the toon's corp history where the transfer was made. as in Old name + old corp history [break] New name + new corp history
2) Limit it to one time per character
I see arguments for both that make sense, on one hand you are already able to buy and sell characters, rescuplt for plex at any time, so why shouldn't you be able to change your name (for a bought toon,) ? At the same time, I can see it being a huge deal to many.
Edit: Or...What about simply adding the ability to have a nickname? And you can choose on your bio which name is displayed to the public. Someone could simply mouse over your name and it show your "real" name or other "aliases" ? That way you arent changing it but just adding a nickname. Just a thought |
Alec Freeman
The Dark Space Initiative
143
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:02:00 -
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Why not leave the corp history there but have all history greyed out prior to the transfer. This also stops people from claiming a bought char is theirs. |
Roderick Grey
Assisted Genocide Black Legion.
102
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:04:00 -
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Tom Gerard wrote:The problem:
Everytime I look for a character on the Bazaar he turns out to be a corp thief or otherwise unwelcome.
Solution:
Offer paid name changes that include a full history wipe.
$100 per character, would reduce abuse of the mechanic, maybe even only allow it on transferred characters.
The Bazaar is not nearly as awesome as it could be, make it that awesome!
I agree, it's extremely difficult to use the character bazaar to "reinvent" oneself when the Tengu alt you bought turns out to be black listed.
Name Changes and History wipes should be an option. |
Gal'o Sengen
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:08:00 -
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My very first character's initials were A A. I got to 12m SP then started again. I would have LOVED a name change. |
G01kur Kisel
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:09:00 -
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Couldnt it be possible to implement some IRL changes to EVE here? It is fully legal to change your name to something else. However that name change is registered and stored somewhere ( where I dont know , but Im sure the police or someone has track of it )
We have ID papers IRL, such as Passports that we have to renew every X amount of years. You can fake ID papers, ( at least in movies )
Offer a name change once every 1 year just like a remap of attributes with or without cost. But it should be possible to look up the previous owners name and his previous corp history. If this action is limited to once every year it wouldnt be abused at much ( perhaps ) |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1603
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:11:00 -
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I think an API based history for corp and alliance recruiters would be sufficient, then you can change your name to xXDe4th5n1pa420Xx for the low low price of however many plex all you want . |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
935
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:14:00 -
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Terrorfrodo wrote:Only idiots would distrust you because you play a character that was a thief in another player's hands.
you should know by now Eve is full of these
brb |
Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
200
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:36:00 -
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I don't think you should be able to name change. But it think there should be a social skill that changes how much of you corp history is visible at a glance. You would still see it all with a API key. The skill would determine how much you see just buy using show info, some thing like level one 1 year to level 5 only current corp. To me hiding your identity totally seems like a skill you should be able to learn, spy's and what not do that now. Hell it should hide your start date, bloodline, race , and pic to. Not to every thing but to a casual glance. I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec. Were is the FW exclusive frigate sized ship? I see the cruiser and battle ship.......... |
Fractal Muse
Republic University Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:47:00 -
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I don't like the idea of a name change in EVE.
I would like to see a flag on a character in game that it was traded. That way someone who looks at the character can see without having to go to a forum post that the character was traded and has a 'new' owner.
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Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
242
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:48:00 -
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You (or the previous owner of the toon you bought) made that toon who/what it is. History matters. Realize you've been a ******* and your history is following you? Too damn bad. Either deal with it, sell the toon, or trash bin it.
Some things shouldn't have a price tag on it to sanitize it. I want to see what kind of douchebaggery you've participated in to know whether you can be trusted or not, and I don't need an API key to do it. |
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Gangname Style
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:51:00 -
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Actually.
I think that name change and corp history wipes should be mandatory when buying a char. However they should put something that says who the character used to be.
Theres no reason for a guy to buy reputation and glory with ISK when he doesn't actually deserve any of it. |
DeBingJos
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
443
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:54:00 -
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Gangname Style wrote:Actually.
I think that name change and corp history wipes should be mandatory when buying a char. However they should put something that says who the character used to be.
Theres no reason for a guy to buy reputation and glory with ISK when he doesn't actually deserve any of it.
You do realise that I can sell a character and then buy it with another of my accounts. Result: history wiped clear. That should not be possible!
No to name changes.
Ungi ma+¦urinn ++ekkir reglurnar, en gamli ma+¦urinn ++ekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions. |
Gangname Style
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:57:00 -
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DeBingJos wrote:Gangname Style wrote:Actually.
I think that name change and corp history wipes should be mandatory when buying a char. However they should put something that says who the character used to be.
Theres no reason for a guy to buy reputation and glory with ISK when he doesn't actually deserve any of it. You do realise that I can sell a character and then buy it with another of my accounts. Result: history wiped clear. That should not be possible! No to name changes.
Isn't wiped clear. You can still see if you look. And go ahead and pay 20 bucks every time you wanna do that.
The only thing my solution does is make sure somebody doesn't buy a famous toon and pretend they are them. |
DeBingJos
Avalon Project Shadow Rock Alliance
443
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Posted - 2012.11.16 16:58:00 -
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Gangname Style wrote:DeBingJos wrote:Gangname Style wrote:Actually.
I think that name change and corp history wipes should be mandatory when buying a char. However they should put something that says who the character used to be.
Theres no reason for a guy to buy reputation and glory with ISK when he doesn't actually deserve any of it. You do realise that I can sell a character and then buy it with another of my accounts. Result: history wiped clear. That should not be possible! No to name changes. Isn't wiped clear. You can still see if you look. And go ahead and pay 20 bucks every time you wanna do that. The only thing my solution does is make sure somebody doesn't buy a famous toon and pretend they are them.
That is not possible because you have to announce selling a toon on the forums and to your corp. It also has to be in an npc-corp.
Ungi ma+¦urinn ++ekkir reglurnar, en gamli ma+¦urinn ++ekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions. |
Teinyhr
A Club for Reputable Gentlemen
100
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Posted - 2012.11.16 17:36:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
Dear CCP Falcon - we have had numerous threads before about this very issue. I'll quote myself from one of them;
"Your name is your reputation" is nothing short of a bad excuse these days for not implementing name change. Only the ballsiest and/or most sociopathic players don't use alts to scam or otherwise inconvenience other players, instead of reveling in their bad rep. However, a considerable amount of people are avoiding karma simply by having alts. With the plex system having a "dirty work alt" is easier than it was ever before.
I nevertheless would want this to become an actual paid feature with ideas that have been passed around before in greater detail, like once a year maximum, a reasonable yet abuse discouraging price tag (say, the price of a months sub, and you couldn't buy it with PLEX).
To make a compromise to the ever complaining, self entitled bitter vets, namechanged accounts should be noticeable somehow, possibly having a small star(*), exclamation point(!) or any variant thereof, added behind their name. It should be fairly unobtrusive on the name itself, but still appear in the overview/chatlists in a way that would be immediately noticeable. This would alert the most paranoid of us to check the many times over suggested name history tab of the character.
Personally I'd even be happy with just having a slot you could fill out yourself in style of roleplaying addons of other MMO's, that would display when opening character info, under a characters name. Other people could use it to add imaginary titles to themselves or something.
EDIT: Adding this link for good measure to a thread about this in CSM, it debunks the common reasons for saying "no" much better than I ever could. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=8710
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
10698
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Posted - 2012.11.16 17:45:00 -
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No to name changes. Far too many downsides and far too few up.
CCP Zulu..... Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Melvin Coulter
Cobalt Conspiracy Incorporated
3
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Posted - 2012.11.16 17:46:00 -
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Mascha Tzash wrote:Perhaps it could help to show in the corp history when the character changed hands? Maybe a coloured entry of the timestamp, when the character was moved to another account or the ownership of the account changed.
so you could see, that the character/account was traded, but you still have the corp history. If I am correct you have let your corp know and have to be in a pc corp before you can sell it Mel
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Gerald Taric
94
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Posted - 2012.11.16 18:09:00 -
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I see the suffer of people, if they buy a toon with a bad name. But ... it was part of the offer. If you don't like the name, don't buy the toon.
For the case of creating a new toon and not being aware of the fact, that you could not change the name later, i would suggest a clearly visible warning about that fact over the naming field.
If name changes ever will be implemented, i suggest two things to consider:
- limit it : Make it a "2 times only" as maximum. After that you toon really should have a good name. If these two name changes are used up, it's over, even if you want to sell it and the new owner will be unable to change it. See my first sentence above: The Name is part of the toon offer.
- Make it visible/searchable: It should NEITHER be a posibility to clean up the history of the character, NOR a possibility to evade foreign contact lists (because of maybe too many "red-listings"). Again: The past belongs to the toon, and in case of selling the toon, the past belongs to the offer.
--> In this way the people have the possibility to get comfortable with their toon name, but can barely abuse it to abandon their hated past.
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Nucleo Tide
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
1
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Posted - 2012.11.16 18:43:00 -
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This would be pretty profitable for them and would be a sound business decision. As it wouldn't hurt the game if done properly.
But this is precisely why it will never happen. |
Nucleo Tide
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
1
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Posted - 2012.11.16 18:45:00 -
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They may make a Facebook game based around names instead though. |
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Terry Shawton
DEROB TinkerTown Terrorists
0
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Posted - 2012.11.16 23:05:00 -
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instead of name change ccp just adds a corp to history like CCP transfers inc or something. To indicate the character was transferred by them. |
Name Family Name
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
85
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Posted - 2012.11.16 23:32:00 -
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ISD Praetoxx wrote:
Afterall, when you guys purchase a new character, you want to make your own history, not inherit it!
The point is you don't buy a new character, you buy a used one. Any quick google search will reveal the character was bought (assuming it was bought legally on the character bazaar) and when applying to a corp, people may always explain the character was bought and bring up the corresponding thread as evidence if they think that would be favourable and the recruiter hasn't already found out by himself.
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Mars Theran
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
405
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Posted - 2012.11.17 01:52:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Mascha Tzash wrote:Perhaps it could help to show in the corp history when the character changed hands? Maybe a coloured entry of the timestamp, when the character was moved to another account or the ownership of the account changed.
so you could see, that the character/account was traded, but you still have the corp history. i agree with this, i think character trades should be shown along with the corp history therefore you can see when the character was traded and what corps the new owner has been in. doesn't really mean much as they could transfer the character to "wipe the slate clean" however you're still able to see the previous corps the character has been in for the paranoid recruiters out there. also it'd be nice to know if the character you're checking out has been traded before, and if so; when.
I'm just going to stop reading here and quote.
More or less, I like the idea of the traded date being dropped into Character History. If name changes were available, that should be included too.
A Characters history need never be deleted, but I think the Corp history should receive the Certificate treatment. Any player can show an API to a Corp if it is requested and they will have the needed information available.
Add a second history which is available as a sort of info on a person that can be gained by some means, like a Locator Agent, (but more accessible), in game.
Perhaps work it into the Bounty Revamp and include Locator Agents with that revamp too. Locator Agents.. Never successfully used one to find someone, but it seems to me that you should receive tracking information available on your map, and maybe an indicator like the watch list for online status.
If they're online you can click on their pic and it will open the map and they will be visible as a dot on the map, with their location shown in text beside their picture on mouse-over.
This would mean Locator Agents should increase in expense slightly, for handling the extra work of following that person.
I'm good with name changes, and I'd go so far as to suggest it should be an available option on receiving a Character transfer. $5 fee in account management to schedule a name change in the client for a recently transferred character, good for 72 hours.
Name changes aside from that, if available, should cost a PLEX, and only be available once a year. zubzubzubzubzubzubzubzub |
Tom Gerard
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
632
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Posted - 2012.11.17 02:21:00 -
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Without the ability to reset characters, the bazaar is effectively overpaying for someone's partially eaten Tuna Sandwich.
Ways to filter out abuse:
Credit Verification on both the seller and the buyer, (this would only be required for trades that wish to use the name change.)
Additionally: Limiting this service to once per year, or even once per two years would be appropriate as well as a timer that shows how many years, months, days, hours until the character can be renamed.
This would of course mean characters with a desirable skill set AND a rename available would be worth a mint, which I can only imagine would make the players who contribute the most to the Bazaar VERY happy.
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LtCol Laurentius
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
107
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Posted - 2012.11.17 03:52:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
I belive most people would choose to keep their character names, because its their identity as you say. But in addition to bough characters, you have poorly named alts that some may want to change, you have characters that have been hit with the CCP hammer because they were offensive etc. Being named Caldari Citizen 247964 isnt gonna keep people playing :)
If all characters that have some sort of standing towards you, or have placed a bounty on you, would get notified about the namechange (and the renamed character just take the place of the old one in the standings lists etc), a namechange wouldnt wipe the slate clean. Also, a name changing history should be available in the show info on the character. |
Shirley Jones
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.11.17 07:11:00 -
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I really don't see any issue with a name change. I mean unless you are a celebrity of sorts then who really knows or cares about your name?! I know for my two main 2006 characters nobody would care or notice if my name was changed or if i ever logged into this game again. Would i care if joeblog changed his name to johnsmith, well no because well i wouldn't notice. Its not like i spend my eve running around the universe recording peoples names and job descriptions. I shoot the red box, i buy the market stuff both of which i take absolutely no notice of the names, i certainly do not record or memorize them.
The biggest gripe seems to be corp thieves but the character name is really not a defense. If you are going to get all your stuff stolen its not going to be from some in game character name that has a history of thievery. It is the player behind the character that is the thief and there is no way to know what new character they have bought or rolled to do their dastardly with.
There would have to be a visible record of the change and it would have to be costly just so i guess its not rampant but even then I really would not notice nor care. You never know who is who in eve simply because.. alts, character bazzar. Let the poor souls out there that live their eve existence hating their character name have the opportunity to change it, i mean really what is it to you, you likely will never know them, interact with them or notice them anyways. |
SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
834
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Posted - 2012.11.17 07:14:00 -
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Just make a visable character name change transaction log that's recorded in the API. Corps interested in security can do a simple audit (As they should be doing anyways). Problem solved. Adore me. |
Borascus
Red Core Paradigm Shift Alliance
105
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Posted - 2012.11.17 09:02:00 -
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If the API settings allowed a Corp History / Previous Names field the spy risk is reduced, but a useful intel tool is removed: Cloaky alt / Cyno, or covert jump portal generation? What kind of friends would they likely be able to batphone, are they playing with Pandemic Legion whilst also being a Goonswarm spy?
Although, corp recruitment is safe with API verification
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Tarvos Telesto
Blood Fanatics
56
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Posted - 2012.11.17 10:40:00 -
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Robe or inflitrate nemy corp - do smomthing horrible in game - transfer character to your self to another account - avoid punishment due to bad reputation - clear name and history - profit.... Very bad idea...
Hovewer would be nice if people got ablility to change name after buying character in character bazar, but in other perspective this may be used as expolit to clear bad reputation etc. |
Haoibuni
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
15
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Posted - 2012.11.17 10:54:00 -
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This is my bio which, unfortunately, is a true story:
"I have a crap name, don't I. Spelt it wrong at character creation. Typed an "O" instead of a "P". As such, I'm not a Happy Bunny :-("
Petitioned, rejected. I was most butthurt. |
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