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Mallak Azaria
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1051
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Posted - 2012.11.17 11:14:00 -
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Tarvos Telesto wrote:Robe or inflitrate nemy corp - do smomthing horrible in game - transfer character to your self to another account - avoid punishment due to bad reputation - clear name and history - profit.... Very bad idea...
Hovewer would be nice if people got ablility to change name after buying character in character bazar, but in other perspective this may be used as expolit to clear bad reputation etc.
You could use your Diablo 3 gold to avoid repercussions in EVE 
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Dr oozy
The Graduates
RAZOR Alliance
1
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Posted - 2012.11.17 11:45:00 -
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The issue is the history, I do not see what it wrong with a purely cosmetic name change but leaving the history as it is, any way to remove the history of the char would be abused.
Before you buy a char on the bazaar do your research and decide if you want the history... safe in the knowledge that the char does not have be called "Ub3Rp3wp3w" if you buy it. |
YuuKnow
Inner 5phere
430
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Posted - 2012.11.17 12:13:00 -
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As long a character search brings up the past alias. And that it can't be overutilized. Perhaps a 1 time name change per account or at the time of an initial character transfer.
As far as names being sacred, the fact that we have alts and have alt spies and can transfer characters already makes 'name = sacred' grossly hyperbolic.
yk |
Keno Skir
Vectis Covert Solutions
268
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Posted - 2012.11.17 12:18:00 -
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Once again this nul-brainer concept rears it's ugly head.
Eve is about consequences for actions and corp history is an important part of that. Our names are all we have. Allowing people to lose their bad history for $100 is so game breakingly stupid i feel sorry for your pets who are undoubtably stupider just for having been near you.
Think longer next time before you display your obvious need to circumvent an important game mechanic. If you want a shiny history, dont be a d*ck.
If you have any further thoughts on something i've posted, or want to ask an unrelated question feel free to contact me by EvE Mail or by private conversation if i'm online.
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Teinyhr
A Club for Reputable Gentlemen
100
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Posted - 2012.11.17 13:01:00 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Once again this nul-brainer concept rears it's ugly head.
-----stuff----
Think longer next time
Take your own advice. How many times it need be said you can circumvent consequences with alts. PLEXes made this even easier. There's like one person I know who hasn't wussed out of bad rep (altough in his case, magnificient bastard rep), that is Istvaan Shogaatsu.
And it has been said that an intergral part of this name change things would be the introduction of an "identity history" tab. |
Acac Sunflyier
Burning Star L.L.C.
266
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Posted - 2012.11.18 22:59:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Acac Sunflyier wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already  Honestly, its the one thing that's kept me from buying a character. Last thing i want is to buy a toon whose name is Fatty McSpankyPants. I think a rename/wiped corp history should only be available if you purchase a toon. After all, when you buy a character there can be a lot of negative history that's hard to know about that comes with it. I think the name change should also have a time limit of like a week. So people who buy a toon can't rack up a history and then a month later change the name. Hmm. I'll spend years being a corp thief, jumping from corp to corp scamming people for billions and stealing all their stuff, but then I have to stop because no-one will hire me. Oh wait, I don't have to do that at all, I'll just sell myself...to myself. Name change and corp history wipe, thank you that'll do nicely. Now back to doing exactly what I was doing with no repercussions at all because "I'm not the same person anymore". And if you can't see anything wrong with the above scenario, please get out of EVE and go play solitaire.
Thing is people can already do that with alt accounts, character transfers, etc. They just run alt accounts, sell their black mark character and buy a clean slate character.
There just isn't anything intresting on the front page of the GD anymore. Yawn! |
DaDudeinDump
Short Bus Pole Dancers
11
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Posted - 2012.11.18 23:20:00 -
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I support name changes. If people are going to use this as an advantage, why don't they put it in employment history or on their bios? Some way that anyone who's viewing them instantly knows they had their names changed. |
Achlys Kurvora
The Moirae Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2012.11.18 23:45:00 -
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While I totally understand and mostly agree that name changes would be opening a can of worms, I would love one for this character.
This character started out as a power of 2 that I split with my friend, I did the first name he did the second (he just made it up on the spot). Come to find out after I fully adopt the account that the last name is one used by some random guy for all of his like 4 characters last names. So now I am constantly mistaken for one of this guys alts......... joy.
Maybe keep corp history and only allow the change of first or last name? But then again many older characters only one one name.
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
950
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Posted - 2012.11.18 23:51:00 -
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Name Family Name wrote:ISD Praetoxx wrote:
Afterall, when you guys purchase a new character, you want to make your own history, not inherit it!
The point is you don't buy a new character, you buy a used one. Any quick google search will reveal the character was bought (assuming it was bought legally on the character bazaar) and when applying to a corp, people may always explain the character was bought and bring up the corresponding thread as evidence if they think that would be favourable and the recruiter hasn't already found out by himself.
Employment history it's like local, maps, off game tools, planets and every piece of information on it you haven't scanned for it, free intell given away.
How much logical is to click on some character to know his pedigree without his permission as every other single tool I just named?
brb |
Akiyo Mayaki
Industrial Justice Corporation
5
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Posted - 2012.11.18 23:55:00 -
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I vote no. EVE is based on reputation and trust. This will shatter everything. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
2928
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Posted - 2012.11.19 00:07:00 -
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Regardless of ownership. Each character in the game has a history. If you don't want a tainted one then either keep a clean slate, or take ownership (buy a character) appropriately.
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Squirrel Horde
Habitat Against Humanity
120
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Posted - 2012.11.19 02:07:00 -
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I would be in favor of granting a name change to a character that gets sold, but not wiping corp history and adding a list of prior names. Seems the reasonable thing to do, IMO.
edit: Perhaps even a little note that shows when it got sold...?
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
2930
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Posted - 2012.11.19 02:44:00 -
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That would remove consequences for your actions so no.
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Vilnius Zar
Ordo Ardish
234
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Posted - 2012.11.19 03:03:00 -
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Anything that affects/clears a character's history in regards to past actions is a big nono, and if you want to buy a character with a decent name and no questionable background then you'll have to search and pay a bit more.
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Peter Powers
Terrorists of Dimensions
Free 2 Play
95
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Posted - 2012.11.19 07:44:00 -
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Diesel47 wrote:
Why would the character's reputation matter for the new owner? Unless it is a bad rep.
If somebody has a rep as a good PvPer, and the new owner is a carebear... doesn't make sense.
because atm having a good rep means your character is worth more.
If people can drop the history and the name, it means a character doesnt lose value anymore if you use him for being a smacktalking corp thiefing *****.
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daninjanomad
Lucid Dreamers
Tribal Band
1
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Posted - 2012.11.19 08:12:00 -
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if it hasnt been said here already
in the history - could there be a line that shows a name change 'from' and 'to'
that way corp bosses can ask the questions if they wish on previous names and will know of swaps on toons to check those periods in its life
... imo ONLY on toon sales as well and by the seller in the transfer area as part of the sale process ?? or the buyer on 1st logon of that toon ??
regards o7
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Captain Tardbar
State Protectorate
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.11.19 08:21:00 -
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I don't know. Changing ones name and wiping the corp history is a bad idea even if you are selling the character. Otherwise a player would just sell the character to themselves to wipe the history.
Moreover, I think you should not be able to biomass a character who has a bounty on them with the new bounty system coming up. Make them get a new account all together instead of wasting people's bounty isk. |
Angmar Udate
Aura of Darkness
Nulli Secunda
6
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Posted - 2012.11.19 11:15:00 -
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Nope against changing name / removal of corp history. For various reason, that I am sure are mentioned in the thread.
I do think CCP should mark in corp history when a character changed hands / accounts. |
EglantinFinfleur
Pointy Teeth Society
Ishukone Drug and Research Utilization Group
16
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Posted - 2012.11.19 11:48:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
That makes a lot of sense, especially in a game that heavily condones the use of alts to escape reputation smudges and retribution.
Great doubletalk there. |
Wodensun
ZeroSec
Dragon Swarm Dynasty
7
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Posted - 2012.11.19 13:49:00 -
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Perhaps make a entry in the corp history showing the name change so that players looking at the character know the name has been changed but can still see the previous corp history?
something along the lines of :
CURRENT CORPORATION
ZeroSec [0 SEC] from 2011.07.19 17:25 to this day
CONCORD SANCTIONED NAME CHANGE: 2011.07.18 13:25
PREVIOUS CORPORATION(S)
Caldari Provisions [CP] from 2011.07.19 17:19 to 2011.07.19 17:25. |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
Intrepid Crossing
84
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Posted - 2012.11.19 14:03:00 -
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Having a name change and a one click to see true history is a non runner really because scammers would be all over this like a fat kid on cake. unless CCP actualy condones this kind of,,,, oh wait a minute,,, forget it,,,  silly me
I thought selling chars was against the rules anyway? |
Cutter Isaacson
Nouvelle Rouvenor
1981
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Posted - 2012.11.19 14:06:00 -
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There is only one response to this suggestion:
Caveat Emptor.
There are numerous ways of checking a characters past history; from checking the forums to contacting previous corps. and checking killboards. The wealth of information available with even the most rudimentary of searches should be enough to uncover all but the most well hidden of wrong doings.
This is one of the fundamental reasons for the existence of strict rules on the Character Bazaar sub-forum; Sellers are required to disclose sec status, wallet status and to send a corp wide eve-mail when ever a character is sold off. If a potential buyer has any concerns regarding the truthfulness or completeness of the sellers claims, then the checks I mentioned above should alert them in plenty of time to retract any bids.
EVE grants its players a considerable amount of leeway when it comes to character name choice and in-game activities. So if you find that Logi pilot you like with all the right skills who has the name xXBawls Deep90Xx (just an example off the top of my head), and who has been kicked from 20 corps. for being a thief, don't cry for unnecessary changes to the game, just suck it up and find a different character. With any luck it might stop people from choosing such idiotic names in future when they realise they can't sell it.
tl;dr No name changes for ISK, PLEX or cash, same for corp. history removal.
"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
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Laurence Pinkitin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.11.19 14:56:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Dave stark wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already while i'd love to be able to change the name of a purchased character as some way to signify it has a new owner, at the same time it'd be too easy for people to abuse it. the cost and hassle of a character transfer is nothing in comparison to effectively erasing an entire character's history, even if you can see past aliases since very few people would really bother to check. i think it has more drawbacks than benefits, personally. edit: where would it stop? if you can change your name, why not your corp history, etc. Oh, I see your point completely. It's hard to distinguish where the line would be, and on a personal level I wouldn't support being able to erase or modify a character's corporation history at all. Your history of employment in EVE should always be your character's legacy, and you should on that basis pick and choose whom you work for carefully. There's some good points being brought forward in this thread
I think a name change and removing corp history is a good idea for characters that have been transferred to a different account. There would need to be some checks and balances though such as a IP check , a review by CCP before its allowable and other unknown stuff. |
Alice Saki
19714
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Posted - 2012.11.19 15:52:00 -
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Can someone Delete Alice and GIve me the name :P
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1914
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Posted - 2012.11.19 16:12:00 -
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ISD Praetoxx wrote:
It seems to be a topic that comes up again and again.
If CCP did the right thing and made characters acct bound, this topic would stop coming up.
Mr Epeen
Proud forum alt since 09/09/09 |
Kenneth O'Hara
Bareback Pornstars
Fade 2 Black
5289
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Posted - 2012.11.19 16:38:00 -
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Personally, I think getting a name change and a history wipe is perfectly legit no matter if it is abused or not. It's kinf of like the real world in some regards. Get in over your head with the wrong crowd, fake your death and and create a new identity. I know the whole faking your "death" is a little difficult with the concept of clones. Creating a new identity is just as simple as knowing the right people or knowing how to work the system in your favor.
If someone abuses this for corporate espionage, so what? It's EVE, anything goes. If you fall for the scam, then you're the sucker.
Best thread ever!!!
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
656
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Posted - 2012.11.19 16:48:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
I don't know about the rest, but I personally feel this idea is pants-on-head stupid! If (as per OP) a toon is un-sellable due to in-game actions - that is the consequence!
If the buyer has a problem with buying a known corp-scammer, point them back to the thread where you bought it.
Seems simple and legit to me.
Changing name/corp history would just cater to those scammers.
I have a toon on one account that does *nothing* but scam stupid contracts in Jita. I will never be able to sell that account because of its history. Which is as it should be!
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Bandalon Ominus
5ER3NITY INC
Apocalypse Now.
1
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Posted - 2012.11.20 23:02:00 -
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Any of you ever thought about this theoretical situation:
Player 1 named 'Jimmy Bandit' gains a bad reputation, sells his character to Player 2, player renames it to Stuart Little.
The name 'Jimmy Bandit' is available again for new players to pick.
Player 3 creates a new account, and thinks of a nice name, he picks the name 'Jimmy bandit'
That would really mess things up!
P.S. Apart from this problem, I'd love to have the ability to change names :) |
Achlys Kurvora
The Moirae Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2012.11.21 03:58:00 -
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I know that the whole "what you do is tied to your character" argument is strong here but think about it, most of the corporate screw overs and spying is just done by alts any ways. On top of that why cant we pay isk, aurum, or a plex to some criminal cartel to give us a new name and wipe our history to look like we have sat in a npc corp our whole lives, that's fairly realistic seeing how it happens in real life.
Heaven forbid you actually need to vet your new members for any extended period of time. The more I think of it the "your history is tied to your name for good reason" argument really just makes you sound like an angry old man refusing to say that change is a good thing.
But any ways go ahead and flame away I know you grumpy old men will |
Jake Rivers
Senex Legio
Get Off My Lawn
105
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Posted - 2012.11.21 04:16:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:I've always wondered how the player base would feel about this. I'm not too keen on the idea of a name change personally, unless there was a one click ability to see all past names and aliases. Even then, I still have very mixed feelings about it. On one hand a name change might be useful for people who've bought a character on the Character Bazaar and love the skill set but not the name, on the other hand your name is your identity and reputation in EVE and the prospect of being able to wipe the slate clean if you do something wrong isn't my particular cup of tea. I'll be interested to see how this thread develops though, some valid points made already
Never do this, a bad rep earned is one that should always follow the character, no matter how many times it may 'seem' to have changed hands.
Never make it easy for someone who trashes there reputation to wipe the slate clean.
Anyone who buys a character with a trashed rep have to live with the mistake, if its too bad, just put the character up for sale and hope someone comes along to buy it that is just as foolish as you were for buying it in the first place.
There should always be a cost associated with bad deeds, and one of them is your reputation, sleep in the bed you make.
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