Bulk purchasing nice GG!

Glad you like it
Adding in these dropdown menus we call 'Utility Menus' to allow players to quickly and more effectively select options is something we hope to do more of in the near future

Could you please add a search bar for the LP shop - like the one in the inventory? Thank you.

Nice changes - especially to the LP store!

+1 for adding a search field to the LP store.

Bulk LP store purchasing was suggested aeons ago but was postponed because of "entire LP store needs redesign" argument (if I'm not wrong). And now we see bulk purchasing within the old LP store. Does it mean that we can expect more interface improvements without having to wait for complete redesigns like unified inventory?

The ship restrictions for novice complexes are hilarious. Faction frigates are of the same level as T2 frigates, yet they are allowed in while the latter arent.

And what is the reasoning behind disallowing ROOKIE SHIPS in NOVICE complexes?

Make Novice t1+rookie ship only, and the plex hierarchy makes sense.

Geography changes

So if i understand it corectly, I will no longer be able to plex minors (novice) in my thrasher, but with changes to npc's in site i will be able to actually run normals (small) sites? (talking about offensive plexing ofc)

That's correct

"Designed new NPCs for FW complexes with low damage output, high defenses and good mobility with no EWAR

Reduced spawns from 10-16 NPCs to 1-2 NPCs"

that ofcourse mean more LP in shorter time (right now im unable to run normals, my fw char was made only 3 days ago)

Speaking of war.....


Any word if we can expect some fixes to the war deccing system after retri. I know they are implementing a way for agressor to back out of mutal wars, But there is so much still unbalanced that it isnt worth it.


Waits for Dev response with milk and cookies

The ship restrictions for novice complexes are hilarious. Faction frigates are of the same level as T2 frigates, yet they are allowed in while the latter arent.

I updated Buckingham and tried all the plexes out on Sunday. I was able to complete all 4 sizes of site with a t1 frigate: a tristan with hobgoblin IIs, 1 web, 1mn AB, 2x neutron blasters. 156 dps seems a little low ball tbh (since that was all that I had and all that was required).

The ship restrictions for novice complexes are hilarious. Faction frigates are of the same level as T2 frigates, yet they are allowed in while the latter arent.

Now, for the GÇ£whatGÇÖs nextGÇ¥ stuff GÇô Timers, timers, timers. The lack of visibility on the timers and lack of rollback for unoccupied plexes is hugely frustrating. I sincerely hope there are concrete plans to address this in a .1 patch. They are critical fixes to the PvP nature of plexing and needed to create a strong danger of being attacked in a plex and encouraging pilots to fight instead of to flee. Especially with the NPCGÇÖs nerfed down this hard and so easy to kill, weGÇÖre relying on players now to defend and take space GÇô so lets make it dangerous. This should be an immediate priority with what time is left for FW work.

A large source of income for me at least came from tags collected while plexing.

Will the new NPC contain a similar amount of tags as before?

Besides the challenge faced by unprepared new players in rookie ships, the ability to defensive plex in a rookie ship was deemed too powerful to allow them in.

As for the faction ships, we will be monitoring the situation and if needed we can take actions such as banning pirate faction frigs from the Novice plexes.

Each NPC will have 1-2 tags. We will also be monitoring the tag situation and can adjust drops as necessary

This is my view:

• Novice complexes now only accept tech1 frigates (rookie ships will be excluded)
• Small complexes now accept all frigates (including tech 1, tech 2, all pirate/navy variants) plus tech 1 destroyers
• Medium complexes will accept all frigate and destroyer variations, plus tech 1 cruisers
• Large complexes will have no ship restrictions to enter and will spawn a Battlecruiser NPC

The largest ship type in a plex must be limited to tech 1 only for it to work.
Every ship type has a reasonably balanced area to fight in.

What are the arguments against this?

Nice work team, as usual! The LP store improvements were a great surprise and a huge quality of life improvement for Faction Warriors (Especially the LP *****s. I know, I know, carpal tunnel from shopping is one of those GÇ£1st world problemsGÇ¥ but its just as helpful for us weekend warriors.)

Now, for the GÇ£whatGÇÖs nextGÇ¥ stuff GÇô Timers, timers, timers. The lack of visibility on the timers and lack of rollback for unoccupied plexes is hugely frustrating. I sincerely hope there are concrete plans to address this in a .1 patch. They are critical fixes to the PvP nature of plexing and needed to create a strong danger of being attacked in a plex and encouraging pilots to fight instead of to flee. Especially with the NPCGÇÖs nerfed down this hard and so easy to kill, weGÇÖre relying on players now to defend and take space GÇô so lets make it dangerous. This should be an immediate priority with what time is left for FW work.

Secondly, I hope the option remains to tweak the site balance. I think most of us expected the current Major plexes to become Larges, and IGÇÖve said before there needs to be more opportunities for bigger fights in FW, not just frigate / cruiser combat constantly, though the new plex distribution is a lovely haven for small-scale combat. The ship balancing will contribute to a really fun variety of engagements now that the NPCGÇÖs wonGÇÖt be dictate what we can bring. That being said, with the only place for BC and up combat being what were the old unrestricted plexes and bunker busts, IGÇÖm afraid weGÇÖre about to see a lot less battlecruiser fights in general. ItGÇÖs two steps forward, one step back in terms of making Faction Warfare a place for true diversity in engagement size. WeGÇÖll see how it plays out, but I hope these can be tweaked if it becomes a monotonous frigate-fest too quickly.

And once again, thanks for jumping on the opportunity to squeeze in the geography changes, they look fantastic and I know itGÇÖll go a long ways towards making our warzone in particular much more competitive.

A lot of players told us how much they disliked having to travel more than 80KM to the capture point and we also felt this discouraged PvP within sites. To counter this we have also made the followed adjustments to the complexes:

All capture beacons have been moved much closer to the warp-in point GÇô they are now 10KM off warp-in

The way to support snipers is not to move the beacon farther away, but increase the capture range. As it stands you can be 40km away from warp in and still be capturing. If that is not far enough for you snipers, maybe the range should be increased.

Goodbye 100km cormorant fleets.

This is my view:

• Novice complexes now only accept tech1 frigates (rookie ships will be excluded)
• Small complexes now accept all frigates (including tech 1, tech 2, all pirate/navy variants) plus tech 1 destroyers
• Medium complexes will accept all frigate and destroyer variations, plus tech 1 cruisers
• Large complexes will have no ship restrictions

The largest ship type in a plex must be limited to tech 1 only for it to work.
Every ship type has a reasonably balanced area to fight in.

What are the arguments against this?

I am curious, why no ewar from npcs?

Each NPC will have 1-2 tags. We will also be monitoring the tag situation and can adjust drops as necessary

Please tell me the LP store bulk purchases are not restricted to the FW LP stores only.

It's all of them.

Everything looks good... except for the FW complex naming change. Sounds more like we're fighting over fast food than military complexes. And why name the smallest one "Novice"? I get the point that it makes it obvious for newbs to know they can do that 'plex, but everyone else will be doing them too so that title seems rather silly... unless you were planning to prohibit players with X amount of skill points from entering it.



I really don't understand why those names had to be changed. I don't think many people had an issue discerning the difference between them. If anything, you could just have added into each complex's (beacon) description which ships are accepted by the acceleration gate of each complex level.

Goodbye 100km cormorant fleets.

I really like the geography changes, but I'd really love to see a Siseide -> Kurn link up in there as well. :)

-Liang

A good suggestion, unfortunately not something we can do for retribution but I will mention it to our programmers :)

For our upcoming expansion EVE Online: Retribution, to be released on December 4th, we have a bag full of great things and improvements ready for you.

CCP Affinity will inform you now in her latest dev blog about improved bulk purchases from LP Stores, changes to Factional Warfare complexes and NPCs and world shaping changes. You can read the dev blog here.

We welcome you to use this thread for constructive feedback.

The NPCs have been rebalanced since Sunday :)

We missed you! (Clears throat). I mean.... Where the hell have you been?!?

I like the changes overall, but I can't help but think that you guys went a bit extreme. Good call on rookie ships, but 1 NPC per PLEX? I wonder if you making this change because you want fighting that NPC to be more like PVP, so it would be as strong as a player ship?

Also the CP seems a bit too close to the warp in point, but that's probably because you don't want all those people who are guarding the warpin to be left out from the payout.

Interesting changes, I think they will result in more ships blown up, which is good.

P.S. The LP store changes affect everyone and they need a lot more work.

This^^

Faction frigs Pirate or Navy in this section should be removed. Make it T1 frigs only and let the fun begin.

Faction frigs of any type so much overpower T1 frigs that I suspect the downside will be newer players will stop even trying. It will turn into a faction frigate fight and those who cannot afford to lose a faction frigate won't show up.

Keep it plain T1 frigate and I suspect lots more people will show up to pew. The other tiers seem fine,

Each NPC will have 1-2 tags. We will also be monitoring the tag situation and can adjust drops as necessary

This is my view:

• Novice complexes now only accept tech1 frigates (rookie ships will be excluded)
• Small complexes now accept all frigates (including tech 1, tech 2, all pirate/navy variants) plus tech 1 destroyers
• Medium complexes will accept all frigate and destroyer variations, plus tech 1 cruisers
• Large complexes will have no ship restrictions

The largest ship type in a plex must be limited to tech 1 only for it to work.
Every ship type has a reasonably balanced area to fight in.

What are the arguments against this?

The fact that making PvP arenas is gay?

Forcing t1 cruisers into the same arena as t2 cruisers is pants on head ********. Seriously, I have not seen a single voice speak up in support of this proposed change since it was first announced, and plenty of people have spoken out against it. What's the rationale behind this change that almost no one wants and a lot of people think should not come in?

Because t2 cruisers are so popular and widely used atm outside of fleet work..

I love how you add basic functions, then declare them new, game changing features.

If you try to buy more than you can afford, it will automatically tell you the maximum number affordable in the pop-up.

Glad to see more positive faction warfare changes. However I'm sad that there still isn't a removal of standings penalties for engaging in FW.

I want to participate in FW, in fact it's really the only thing in EVE I'm interested in. I've never even done it though because I don't want to tank my standings. I wish THAT aspect of FW would be changed. Every EVE player I know and play with in and out of EVE would participate in FW if the standings penalties were removed.

Adding in new stargates?

What madness is this?!

After Retribution, upon entering a FW complex, one NPCs will spawn and if you manage to kill the NPC within 5 minutes for Novice and Small complexes and within 10 minutes for Medium and Large, no further NPCs will spawn during the capture time. The main purpose of the NPC is now to avoid quick complex farming and to encourage you to bring enough DPS.

Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes!

Exactly what I wanted =)

Allowing pirate frigates into the novice plex is pretty harsh. The balance works in minors at the moment because destroyers are a cheap (and therefore novice) choice that can be made comparable.
I'd favor merely allowing tech1 frigates into the novice size to create probably the most balanced playground of all sizes.

Destroyers as well as faction ( especially pirate ) frigates can reasonably compete with T2 frigates in the small.


I'm disliking having tech 1 and tech 2 cruisers in the same complex, too, but I guess at the end of the day the main issue will boil down to surprise falcon alt/buddy.