We did consider this and discussed it a fair bit. It was however determined that it fit the role of the blockade runner far more. We are aware of how... unpopular the deep space transports are however.

"Blockade Runners are being updated to be immune to cargo scanners, and as such will always show up as empty on scans"

Aww

Nice update to Freighters though

Also, FIRST (page )

Nobody flies deep space transports because the warp strength bonus is useless in bubbleland, lowsec camps generally have hictors and they have a severe lack of powergrid which prevents them from fitting a plate and prop mod. You only ever see them in hisec, usually fully fit with expanders and cargo rigs, negating the purpose of the ship to begin with.

Making them unscannable would be a huge plus rather than making blockade runners foolproof. Imagine it as an armored truck with tinted windows.

You only ever see them in hisec, usually fully fit with expanders and cargo rigs, negating the purpose of the ship to begin with.

We did consider this and discussed it a fair bit. It was however determined that it fit the role of the blockade runner far more.

an armored truck with tinted windows.

".....we need to get the complexity of EVE under control......."

Erm. No we don't. EVE Online is a complex game for adults and mature people to play. If people want something simple to play they should choose WoW. Ugh. I swore then. .

TLDR: Blockade Runners have no proper tank to deal with the increased risk of cargo-scan immunity. With this being said, it should be given to Deep Space Transports instead.



I'm specialized in one for high-sec cargo deliveries, but no chance in heck that these modules will ever end up on my DST. I fly with what cargo hold it gives me through skills and see that as its maximum.

Your analogy with the armored truck is a very good one though. A DST is essentially just that: an armored truck for higher valued cargo.



I can understand the main reason for it. The Blockade Runner is cloaky/secretive. As such, an immunity to cargo scans fits the role perfectly. However, practical implementation is that the Blockade Runner has no true need for this in its intended environment anyway. After all, A Blockade Runner excels in low-sec and null-sec environments. It always uses its cloaking ability to jump safely from system to system (unless you are deep in friendly territory, I suppose). As such, it does not need a cargo-scan immunity in the environment it is designed to operate in. The only practical implementation for this is for high-sec. However, the Blockade Runner lacks one thing: a proper tank. It's fast, agile, secretive, but not very sturdy. It's only a slight improvement compared to most Tech 1 Industrials.

That is why the Deep Space Transport would be a better option for this cargo-scan immunity. It's not because something needs to happen to make this ship more popular (no matter what you as CCP do, some ships will always be more popular than others), but the main reason for this is its ability to field a proper tank. High-sec cargo hauling is safe as long as you are aware of certain risks.

Cargo-scan immunity is an additional risk: some suicide-gankers are willing to take a risk in ganking a ship like this and with that being said, the pilot of said ship with cargo-scan immunity knows it has now become a potential target for these gankers. A Blockade Runner with a cargo-scan immunity has the potential to become the "lottery" for gankers. You win some, you lose some. "let's see what this one has in its cargo hold".

A Deep Space Transport with cargo-scan immunity can become the target for this "lottery" just as the Blockade Runner. Only, the Deep Space Transport has a trick up its sleeve: it can, if properly skilled and fitted, withstand a suicide-gank of several BC/BS ships. So the practical implementation should be to add it to the Deep Space Transports rather than the Blockade Runners as it puts additional risk on the Blockade Runner pilots (even though you mean well), where as the Deep Space Transports know how to deal with this risk: put more emphasis on it's intended use and be

"Blockade Runners are being updated to be immune to cargo scanners, and as such will always show up as empty on scans"

Surely this makes them less useful as they will just be instantly targeted and popped regardless of cargo. Quite disappointed with this.

TLDR: Blockade Runners have no proper tank to deal with the increased risk of cargo-scan immunity. With this being said, it should be given to Deep Space Transports instead.



I'm specialized in one for high-sec cargo deliveries, but no chance in heck that these modules will ever end up on my DST. I fly with what cargo hold it gives me through skills and see that as its maximum.

Your analogy with the armored truck is a very good one though. A DST is essentially just that: an armored truck for higher valued cargo.



I can understand the main reason for it. The Blockade Runner is cloaky/secretive. As such, an immunity to cargo scans fits the role perfectly. However, practical implementation is that the Blockade Runner has no true need for this in its intended environment anyway. After all, A Blockade Runner excels in low-sec and null-sec environments. It always uses its cloaking ability to jump safely from system to system (unless you are deep in friendly territory, I suppose). As such, it does not need a cargo-scan immunity in the environment it is designed to operate in. The only practical implementation for this is for high-sec. However, the Blockade Runner lacks one thing: a proper tank. It's fast, agile, secretive, but not very sturdy. It's only a slight improvement compared to most Tech 1 Industrials.

That is why the Deep Space Transport would be a better option for this cargo-scan immunity. It's not because something needs to happen to make this ship more popular (no matter what you as CCP do, some ships will always be more popular than others), but the main reason for this is its ability to field a proper tank. High-sec cargo hauling is safe as long as you are aware of certain risks.

Cargo-scan immunity is an additional risk: some suicide-gankers are willing to take a risk in ganking a ship like this and with that being said, the pilot of said ship with cargo-scan immunity knows it has now become a potential target for these gankers. A Blockade Runner with a cargo-scan immunity has the potential to become the "lottery" for gankers. You win some, you lose some. "let's see what this one has in its cargo hold".

A Deep Space Transport with cargo-scan immunity can become the target for this "lottery" just as the Blockade Runner. Only, the Deep Space Transport has a trick up its sleeve: it can, if properly skilled and fitted, withstand a suicide-gank of several BC/BS ships. So the practical implementation should be to add it to the Deep Space Transports rather than the Blockade Runners as it puts additional risk on the Blockade Runner pilots (even though you mean well), where as the Deep Space Transports know how to deal with this risk: put more emphasis on it's intended use and be

i think a lot of people are scratching their heads as to how this guy got to that conclusion... maybe he thinks his orca will be ganked all the time with the amount of trit he's carrying/hauling for a mining fleet.

ohh if only he knew how gankers operate! LOL

I suspect it is more the idea that a Freighter can now do this. The orca can now just sit in a POS to give benefit, but does not even need to be present since the freighter can do all the hauling.

Do you even know what a Blockade Runner is? It's the cloaky version, not the +2 Deep Space Transport.

So why on earth would cloaky haulers get popped any more than they do now, just because you can't 'scan' them anymore? If you don't want to get popped, stop being so f**king lazy and manually pilot your ship.

The freighter is still horrible at collecting the jetcans from miners and miners can't transfer their ore on their own (if you're close enough and don't want to use jetcans).

Used my Orca a lot in the past for corp mining ops (3-4 players most often) and we never really used the divisions. We just used one division for ore, the other for ammo (mining crystals). Never felt the need to use more than 2, maximum 3. With the new system you can still do this, e.g. drop one cargo container per participating player, so it's easy to sort everyone's stuff, etc. Don't really see any reason to complain right now.