If they ignore the thread, they cannot also ignore Twitter :)

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Challenge accepted ;p

[quote=DarkestHeart]
Challenge accepted ;p

What a shining example of the absolute joke CSM7 really is.

I don't like Alekseyev at all but that was a perfect response to histrionic **** like this.

I feel i likely speak for the majority of players when i say the following

I knew there was a jukebox, im fairly sure the last time i clicked on it was a number of years ago. if i dont want to listen to the ingame music i turn the music volume slider down. if want to listen to my own music i use one of the MANY free available players (i.e. winamp, spotify etc etc)

If you only want to listen to certain in game tracks they're on spotify.

Additionally CCP have stated the reason for the removal of the jukebox iirc it was basically legacy coding from the launch of eve, coding which they are currently going through removing and updating. If a feature is no longer widely used (jukebox) it is not worth the man hours recoding it, hours which can be better spent on improving quality of life in the game

tl;dr - Get over yourself, the majority don't care about the lack of jukebox or your argument

Its a fair statement to say the majority dont care about the JukeBox.

But this isnt about the majority is it? It's about a substantial number of players, and no matter how you wrap it up, there is a significant number of players that want it back - A lot dont know about this thread, and you can't spam in help chat which is where a lot of complaints are.

Should a minority suffer ofer the majority's choice? Isn't that the problem that society faces as a whole? Without this thread going onto a society based argument, its fair to say that each person has their own view and that as we are all patrons of this company, paying customers, all our views are valid.

Your points are fair, they are also valid - but they have been addressed by many players in earlier posts.

Not to mention this is also now about how we are treated as paying customers as well as CCP removing a good feature.

Regarding encoding - The music exists in exactly the same format as it did when the JukeBox existed, CCP simply removed the GUI. As I have stated in the first post and subsequent posts - the method of playing music is crud, it doesnt work. Another example of CCP implementing something about proper prior testing, and when players speak out about how crap it actually is, they ignore it.

I wasnt refering to the encoding of the music, i was referring the actual coding behind the jukebox itself (iirc CCP explorer made a comment on this in the retribution feedback thread)

I will admit to being surprised by the number of players upset about the removal of the jukebox, but i dont feel its is a significant minority of players. I would imagine some of the players may not have even known about the jukebox until threads protesting about its removal started to pop up.

I wouldnt class the jukebox as a good feature, it was an underused extra no doubt required when it was first launched to provide music to the game, the changes in retribution i feel have actually improved on this situation.

Generally though i would consider we are well treated by CCP in terms of the amount and type of feedback we receive both on here and through twitter, this treatment and interaction has improved massively since i started playing 4 years ago and is something ive not seen from other MMOs

I will accept that some people want it back, but surely you would rather they continued to improve and introduce new features, ships and improve the general running of the game? (war against lag etc etc)

Return the GUI for the JukeBox and fix the new system, job done - much less whining, much less bitching.

Happy people :)

10 days and 7 pages of pissy bitching shouldn't be enough to make a dev turn their computer on, let alone do anything. Maybe next time pick a less ridiculous idea to get behind.

The maintenance argument doesn't really ring true to me at all. What kind of maintenance do you need on a working feature that is separate from all other features?
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I guess what I'm trying to say is that it doesn't make much sense, logically, to just boom and remove it.

Well, I don't really care about the Jukebox, though I did use it fairly regularly to pick tracks that I was in the mood for.

However, having said that, it doesn't make much sense to remove a feature that you already spent time working on. The maintenance argument doesn't really ring true to me at all. What kind of maintenance do you need on a working feature that is separate from all other features?

I'm really having difficulty remembering any game developer, after spending time on a feature and that feature being in the game for many years, to just remove it altogether, and claiming that it is redundant because a 3rd party can do it? Further, if you are removing the jukebox, why not remove the notepad and calculator within EVE as well? Both of those are implemented within most operating systems by default.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it doesn't make much sense, logically, to just boom and remove it.

How hard would it have really been to code a new MP3 player?

from what i remember there was talk about the notepad and calculator going as well due to the same issue. my understanding of the tech issue was it would take more effort than it was worth to update it to the level the rest of the coding ingame than it merited. Especially as they where changing how the music was interacting with the game. You would have to hunt out ccp explorers post on the issue though

There has been no talk and no plans "about the notepad and calculator going as well due to the same issue". I simply asked in a thread how important they were, if the OS tools could be used instead, and how important these tools were in comparison to other things we could be improving and extending.

There has been no talk and no plans "about the notepad and calculator going as well due to the same issue". I simply asked in a thread how important they were, if the OS tools could be used instead, and how important these tools were in comparison to other things we could be improving and extending.

I get what you mean in general about lack of answers etc, but really, anything like this is all about picking your battles. This is just about the dumbest possible battle to pick.

73 votes.

The CSM have conluded their 'Player Experiance' session, of which the JukeBox going to be discussed. News to follow shortly.

Tweet #JukeboxGate and #csmsummit about getting the JukeBox back!

I'll save you the suspense. I did mention people whining about it, and that I thought the whining was dumb.