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Dawne Xi
3D Salvage and Acquisitions
34
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Posted - 2012.12.18 04:24:00 -
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There are better media players out there, no need to have a jukebox for the reasons the Dev's have said they got rid of it in the first place. |
Balder Verdandi
Czerka. The Aslyum
83
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Posted - 2012.12.18 09:27:00 -
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Dawne Xi wrote:There are better media players out there, no need to have a jukebox for the reasons the Dev's have said they got rid of it in the first place.
Until you can't get the music to "stop" playing ......
I don't stab people in the back. -áWhen you do, you miss the look on their face and that's priceless.
Long live the failure known as "Unified Inventory"! |
DarkestHeart
The Pack Fidelas Constans
48
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Posted - 2012.12.18 09:30:00 -
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Dawne Xi wrote:There are better media players out there, no need to have a jukebox for the reasons the Dev's have said they got rid of it in the first place.
On page 10 I posted a good number of reasons we should have it back.
On the first page I listed a number of reasons we should have it back.
All through this thread people have listed good reasons to have it back.
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Hemi DarkStar
LAW Imperium
3
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Posted - 2012.12.18 11:32:00 -
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/ signed
And I think EVE will be around for a while...so those changes to the game that would get "replaced" by developing a better jukebox would come eventually anyway.(besides that...EVE is one of the most fine-tuned mmo experiences I ever had. Taking some time to develop other things wouldnt be a bad idea.-> And good for devs to take their mind somewere else, so they can return with fresh ideas that lead to an even better game experience! I can wait for a reskin of some ship Im never going to fly anyway, lol)
I loved the fact you can set the mood ingame. An external player just isnt the same thing. I miss the jukebox very much, and so does the rest of our corp. (Just because we don't post here every day, doesn't mean we could care less. Remember...only a small percentage of players of any game actually uses forums. And when they do, its usually always for negative comments. )
Specially when you enter combat, the custom music of the jukebox stops and plays the battle music. A simple thing you might think, but allot of mmo's can't seem to grasp that functionality. And I loved that about EVE's jukebox. Before the update I had a massive lib, full of EVE-esk music. Brilliant dark-ambient music. It's gathering Dust now(see what I did there?). I tried using external music players, but its just not the same thing and takes you out of the game. And my computer doesnt like it for some reason.
If it doesn't happen, then I would suggest adding more songs. LastFM has some fantastic Dark Ambient artists that you can use for the game if only you would contact them and ask. They prob give you the music rights to use it.
eg :
http://www.last.fm/music/Deepspace |
DarkestHeart
The Pack Fidelas Constans
48
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Posted - 2012.12.18 15:48:00 -
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Hemi DarkStar wrote:
I loved the fact you can set the mood ingame. An external player just isnt the same thing. I miss the jukebox very much, and so does the rest of our corp.
Ask them to sign this thread if they support the cause and ideas being posted - more signatures = higher possibility of something being done! |
Andrei Calidar
LAW Imperium
0
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Posted - 2012.12.18 17:57:00 -
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I support this petition. Bring back the Jukebox! |
Alexander Renoir
State War Academy Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2012.12.18 19:49:00 -
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CCP RealX wrote:Hi, I want to thank you all for taking time to give this matter you attention. We (meaning the CCP sound department) are monitoring this thread closely and take all opinions into consideration. I hope you don't think we made this decision lightly. First, some back story. As many of you know that used the jukebox it was quite buggy and we got a lot of negative feedback regarding its use, it didn't measure up to other media players, it didn't support this or that codec etc. The jukebox works as a plugin to our audio engine (Audio Kinetics WWise) and was based on a now deprecated Microsoft MP3 decoder that was used as an example on how to build plugins for the WWise engine. As mentioned in the blog these were the biggest issues that factored into the removal the jukebox. We believe we made the right decision but that is for EVE's community to decide. If we however made the wrong decision and you decide that we will put the jukebox back into the game, it will happen at the cost of adding new game-play related features. And I ask you all to weigh that into your thoughts on the matter. The jukebox needs a lot of love, and if we will give it all the love that it needs it will take development time away from game-play related features. If you decide that there is more value for you in the jukebox than there is in new features we will shift our focus back to the jukebox. Regards, RealX If I have to choose between dev time for old, beloved things getting in line with the new code or totally new game-play related features I have to say that I EVER will choose the old, beloved ones, before your crappy new! Sorry but your last "new and awesome" contend is far far away to be acceptable!
Lets begin with the crapified UI. After several month we are now able to rebuild an version of the old UI. The first version was, in fact, crap and useless and a mess!
AFTER MONTH OF PAYING SUBSCRIPTION!!!
Now your new sh!t bounty system: Every player who has a look into a official channel will get an bounty from an fly by idiot! What is this crap for? Sure you have added content like an totally wasted overview of the 10 most wanted (Player/Corp/Ally/Hunter).. but really WHY should every pilot in EVE must have a bounty? Why is it possible to place bounties without ANY restrictions?
SO think about it: Take time to reconsider why you have done something like you have done once long time ago. Why do you have implemented a jukebox; why was it NOT possible to place bounties on positive sec-chars etc.? There once was a reason for...
And really:
Seleene wrote: Also, we do have the player's interests in mind; that is why we aren't bothering CCP overly about a feature like this which can be easily duplicated by downloading WinAmp and the soundtrack.
Two step wrote: I don't care about the Jukebox, and judging from the very few actual people posting here, very few players care either. Both statements from two CSM's. You are the representation for all players in EVE damned! If you just have your sh!t 0.0-space and PvP in mind leave the CSM and clean your space for someone who really cares AND FIGHTS for players interests! For ALL interests! Not just 0.0 crap!
P.S.: Account cancelled because of ignorance of the dev team, trolling from CCP and development into the wrong direction! |
androch
Lasting Forge Holding Rebel Alliance of New Eden
6
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Posted - 2012.12.18 20:09:00 -
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Manssell wrote:As a Mac player all I can say is *@^# NO!
All this crying to bring that awful thing back would be amusing except I'm almost afraid you'd convince CCP to do it. Mac players didn't have a working jukebox for years. I didn't even know that the songs in Eve had endings until early this year when they finally got the jukebox to play most of them completely. We never could import our own music without crashing the game and now I hear all the cries to waste developer time on a feature that won't work on our computers anyway so a few people won't have to deal with a few minor audio quirks or use a media player. I say rubbish to that!
so stop wasting developer time begging them to make things work on a piece of crap computer that only like .01% of the eve community plays on dump the mac get a pc |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
1038
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Posted - 2012.12.19 09:42:00 -
[219] - Quote
I have removed a rant from this thread. Ranting is never good, folks. Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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zxsteel
13
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Posted - 2012.12.19 09:52:00 -
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I have to admit, I miss my jukebox |
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Tragot Gomndor
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.12.19 10:32:00 -
[221] - Quote
SIGNED
i like the idea of the dynamic music, but if you rarly leave one sec-zone you will always hear the same songs... there should be both, dynamic and jukebox... i should decide what i am listening to... |
Keko Khaan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
49
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Posted - 2012.12.19 10:53:00 -
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Manssell wrote:As a Mac player all I can say is *@^# NO!
All this crying to bring that awful thing back would be amusing except I'm almost afraid you'd convince CCP to do it. Mac players didn't have a working jukebox for years. I didn't even know that the songs in Eve had endings until early this year when they finally got the jukebox to play most of them completely. We never could import our own music without crashing the game and now I hear all the cries to waste developer time on a feature that won't work on our computers anyway so a few people won't have to deal with a few minor audio quirks or use a media player. I say rubbish to that!
Thats what u get for using that apple crap for gaming.. Obviously macs are not made for gaming and obviously games are not made for mac.. Buy pc if u wanna play games. Buy mac if u wanna do modeling, rendering, animations and stuff..
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Matthew97
Pro Synergy ARK.
93
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Posted - 2012.12.19 11:05:00 -
[223] - Quote
Signed
Gimme nao or forever be subject to grumpy cat posts!
Keko Khaan wrote:Manssell wrote:As a Mac player all I can say is *@^# NO!
All this crying to bring that awful thing back would be amusing except I'm almost afraid you'd convince CCP to do it. Mac players didn't have a working jukebox for years. I didn't even know that the songs in Eve had endings until early this year when they finally got the jukebox to play most of them completely. We never could import our own music without crashing the game and now I hear all the cries to waste developer time on a feature that won't work on our computers anyway so a few people won't have to deal with a few minor audio quirks or use a media player. I say rubbish to that! Thats what u get for using that apple crap for gaming.. Obviously macs are not made for gaming and obviously games are not made for mac.. Buy pc if u wanna play games. Buy mac if u wanna do modeling, rendering, animations and stuff..
^Also this. |
DarkestHeart
The Pack Fidelas Constans
48
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Posted - 2012.12.19 13:09:00 -
[224] - Quote
CCP Eterne wrote:I have removed a rant from this thread. Ranting is never good, folks.
Thank you, that post was just dumbing down the other decent ideas/proposals that have been made in this thread.
Petition now at 88. |
Cat Steele
The Babylon5 Consortuim
1
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Posted - 2012.12.20 01:12:00 -
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I sort of miss the jukebox, If I could just see the title of the song playing and have a button to skip to the next track I think that is all I would really need. I don't think it is absolutely vital, you can still listen to the music. |
Wu Jiaqiu
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
66
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Posted - 2012.12.20 01:18:00 -
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I miss the jukebox. Please put it back. I do actually listen to the music. |
androch
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.12.20 17:02:00 -
[227] - Quote
bring it back |
Akavire
Spirit of the unspeakable Deliverance
0
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Posted - 2012.12.20 19:25:00 -
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I miss being able to set the mood I want. bring back the jukebox already !! |
Johnson Oramara
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2012.12.20 22:39:00 -
[229] - Quote
Yeah, i'm missing it too so signed. |
Xandor Tarn
ULLCO Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.12.21 07:52:00 -
[230] - Quote
I was using it too and I'd like it back. If you have to sacrifice new features, no problem, you can reschedule any graphics improvement you were planning, excepting the UI obviously. |
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DarkestHeart
The Pack Fidelas Constans
48
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Posted - 2012.12.21 10:48:00 -
[231] - Quote
Updated the list to include new signee's, we're at 93 now - keep spreading the word people!! |
Diremage
Stability Critically Disrupted Seekers of the Unseen
10
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Posted - 2012.12.21 22:02:00 -
[232] - Quote
/signed.
Feature removal was a bad usability decision - please reverse.
Quote: From out here on the user-end of the Eve experience, I can see the ground littered with the broken spears and swords of fresh battles: internal debates and technical difficulties. The most obvious casualty, of course, is the smoking feature hole where once, a jukebox stood proud. This module brought functionality into Eve Online that is rarely seen in an MMO, and now that functionality is lost, likely gone forever.
As someone who has sometimes engaged in such battles myself, I think I can see how the battle went: There's a big push to modernize the dustiest corners of the game experience, and as part of that, someone sold the idea of a cool new set of dynamic background noise. That's a great idea; it helps set the ambient mood in a unique and interesting way. There were technical hurdles to overcome, and the most obvious one was the current sound implementation. The Klang team found that they couldn't comfortably integrate the new features into the old system, and so the decision was made to scrap the old system.
There are two problems with that decision: First, while the new feature is cool, it's not -that- cool. When I play Eve, I'm not listening to the elevator music in the background, I'm listening to my fleet on Teamspeak. This is important: I'm totally ignoring your new feature because it literally doesn't add anything to my game experience (but to give credit where it's due, I don't think it actually detracts from my experience at all; it doesn't hinder me hearing people on TS either). I can see how it's cool, and it could add something to someone's experience, but for me, I have other things I'm looking at. An entire team spent a lot of time and resources on something I just don't care about (sorry!).
To add insult to injury, if I'm doing something that doesn't absolutely require me to hear the FC's voice, I've probably got Pandora running -- and I've actually got it running -on top- of your new dynamic bg noise; I didn't turn it off because I didn't even notice it was there! So now all your new feature is doing is subtly mangling the music I wanted to listen to. On top of that, I can no longer control my playlist from Eve if I have a hard-drive based playlist; I've lost a feature I was accustomed to using, and, importantly, my playlists and preferences were likely lost when the player was. So the work I, as a player, did of importing and tinkering with my playlist was also lost.
So, to summarize, the new feature is really cool. Unfortunately, it's not THAT cool; when you ripped out the old player to put it in, existing functionality was lost, and when you did that, user data, in the form of my playlist order and song choices, was also lost. That's why you have so many players unhappy at this decision, and I hope you choose to reverse it.
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Pud Li
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.12.21 23:20:00 -
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Instead ask CCP to make EVE sound compatible with OS sound mixer.
#1 Then you personally can use whatever OS compatible sound source you want legal or illegal (a) music players and Internet radio (b) multiple voice chat systems like Team Speak (c) TV PIP mode (d) etc
#2 I suspect CCP simply opted out of pirated music legal wars. That is likely why player disappeared.
CCP probably got US recording industry threats for having player neither requiring nor supporting Digital Media Rights stuff. Lots of compmaies are folding when threatened with inclusion as third party in lawsuits or even as independently "encouraging" piracy by not playing encoded musics. CCP simply does not make money or industry friends by being part of piracy. In fact I am pretty sure they are a member against digital piracy in general since their EVE and DUSt product include a lot of digital artwork.
Its been a long time since game sound was so demanding of total computer resources that exclusive control was required. CCP should allow end users to mix in sound from other sources at the OS level if desired. Mixing issues of additional sources would be OS, mixer manufacturer or 3rd party meadia player problems in all senses. At worst CCP could provide a separate optional OS mixer to ensure everyone had access to quality mix...without providing any of the other programs (media players) that might play illegal media. |
Aldori Tesslar
56th Support Unit Secure Arms Trade Coalitions
0
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Posted - 2012.12.22 10:36:00 -
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I also want my jukebox back. If i suddenly get dependent on 3'd party software to have a good time in Eve, i might as well have been playing WoW with all their addons.. I enjoyed Eve for being a complete package, with ingame browser and jukebox. Now, i'm muting the music, alt-tabbing all the time, and generally feeiling quite annoyed by it. I'm not gonna claim it's a gamebreaker, nowhere near it, but having the jukebox removed worsened the game for me.
Just my 2 cents, and another signature for the petition. |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1872
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Posted - 2012.12.22 18:05:00 -
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I haven't used or cared for the jukebox since 2008.
That's why winamp is used in the background.
Give the babies the option of their jb back tho, it'll be less forum drama to witness. Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk! |
RealEchnaton
SonnenFeuer
0
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Posted - 2012.12.22 21:47:00 -
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Hi,
I thinkj for all not JB-user, the removal of the jb can be an impact to you in the future, because CCP have done a paradigm change.
Mostly all changes have incresed the freedom of play (sand box), but in this case, the freedom will be limited.
Realechnaton
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DarkestHeart
The Pack Fidelas Constans
49
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Posted - 2012.12.22 22:28:00 -
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RealEchnaton wrote:Hi,
I thinkj for all not JB-user, the removal of the jb can be an impact to you in the future, because CCP have done a paradigm change.
Mostly all changes have incresed the freedom of play (sand box), but in this case, the freedom will be limited.
Realechnaton
I think that is one of the primary issues on this topic. Tomorrow I will update the count on this thread as we''re pretty close to 100 now. It hasn't been a storm of responses but people signing seem to have strong views towards it. I guess that it needs to be recognised that in these cases it's quality over quantity.
Thats what I hope anyway :)
Thank you for your support so far everyone it's very much appreciated. I imagine that we cannot expect any formal response until the middle of Jan next year as people will be on holiday. At least there is proof that when they come hack there will be a nice full thread to welcome them!
DH |
Blastil
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
27
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Posted - 2012.12.22 22:51:00 -
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this might solve the problem, although it might be off topic:
get the ingame browser to properly support Google Drive, and Pandora. |
Krystal-Klear
Venomous Cloud Scorned Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2012.12.23 02:28:00 -
[239] - Quote
+1 to this. Would love to see it come back. Petition Signed |
Bull3tt
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.12.23 14:43:00 -
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/Signed
I really miss it !!! I dont like it i cant hear my own choice.
Dont just remove options... and if it does not work well dont remove it but FIX it !
PLZ BRING BACK this is a BIGGGG thing if it stays away !!! |
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