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androch
Lasting Forge Holding Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2012.12.14 18:27:00 -
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point is you have to take your attention away from eve to use the outside programs... that is why people liked using the jukebox in game, same with other tools that are in game |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2135
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Posted - 2012.12.14 18:35:00 -
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androch wrote:point is you have to take your attention away from eve to use the outside programs... that is why people liked using the jukebox in game, same with other tools that are in game
Since when is managing a music player a "foreground" thing, requiring user input and attention? Get a playlist, hit play, go about your business. Control it with media keys/shortcuts. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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MainDrain
7th Deepari Defence Armada The Veyr Collective
24
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Posted - 2012.12.14 19:46:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:MainDrain wrote:Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Well, I don't really care about the Jukebox, though I did use it fairly regularly to pick tracks that I was in the mood for.
However, having said that, it doesn't make much sense to remove a feature that you already spent time working on. The maintenance argument doesn't really ring true to me at all. What kind of maintenance do you need on a working feature that is separate from all other features?
I'm really having difficulty remembering any game developer, after spending time on a feature and that feature being in the game for many years, to just remove it altogether, and claiming that it is redundant because a 3rd party can do it? Further, if you are removing the jukebox, why not remove the notepad and calculator within EVE as well? Both of those are implemented within most operating systems by default.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that it doesn't make much sense, logically, to just boom and remove it. from what i remember there was talk about the notepad and calculator going as well due to the same issue. my understanding of the tech issue was it would take more effort than it was worth to update it to the level the rest of the coding ingame than it merited. Especially as they where changing how the music was interacting with the game. You would have to hunt out ccp explorers post on the issue though There has been no talk and no plans "about the notepad and calculator going as well due to the same issue". I simply asked in a thread how important they were, if the OS tools could be used instead, and how important these tools were in comparison to other things we could be improving and extending.
Apologies, i mis-remembered the context they where mentioned in. Will edit my original post.
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Hakan MacTrew
Caledonian Heavy Industries Sick N' Twisted
62
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Posted - 2012.12.14 20:54:00 -
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androch wrote:point is you have to take your attention away from eve to use the outside programs... that is why people liked using the jukebox in game, same with other tools that are in game If everyone used a single account, then you would make sense. The fact is that almost everyone multiboxes. As I said previously, You still end up muting all but one player and you have to go back to that one to do anything anyway.
The Jukebox was clunky and outdated compared to just about any current music player built into an OS. Hell, my phones OS has a much better music player than EvE's Jukebox. (No offence to CCP Dev's, for the time it was developed it was fine.)
So, God forbid you tab out to the desktop once in a while to swap playlists or tracks. How many seconds more does that take?
The more and more I look at this thread, and those like it, the more it just looks like some kids are crying because someone got rid the toys they haven't even seen in years.
Do you want an EvE plugin app to take a **** for you too? MODULAR DRONES
MORE ORE SHIPS |
Scaramanga Erquilenne
9
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Posted - 2012.12.14 21:43:00 -
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Two step wrote:DarkestHeart wrote:73 votes.
The CSM have conluded their 'Player Experiance' session, of which the JukeBox going to be discussed. News to follow shortly.
Tweet #JukeboxGate and #csmsummit about getting the JukeBox back! I'll save you the suspense. I did mention people whining about it, and that I thought the whining was dumb.
To suggest other people are dumb because they complain about the removal of a feature is rather childish comment and not the voice of any community i want to be part of.Seems that a few people are trying to hijack this thread and bait people who DO care about the removal of the jukebox .
Yes its dumb to wine about the removal of a in game feature that a number of people enjoyed. I play this game on ONE account on a 60iinch plasma ALT and tab is Not a option.
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
4168
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Posted - 2012.12.14 21:47:00 -
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Youtube and other places are getting more difficult to play various music content in a row like a play list though and I keep getting songs that are not eve from these places.
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Scaramanga Erquilenne
9
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Posted - 2012.12.14 21:52:00 -
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Snow Axe wrote:DarkestHeart wrote: Return the GUI for the JukeBox and fix the new system, job done - much less whining, much less bitching.
Happy people :) 10 days and 7 pages of pissy bitching shouldn't be enough to make a dev turn their computer on, let alone do anything. Maybe next time pick a less ridiculous idea to get behind.
CCP Can you moderate the forum please
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Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes
1
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Posted - 2012.12.14 22:02:00 -
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MainDrain wrote:I feel i likely speak for the majority of players when i say the following
I knew there was a jukebox, im fairly sure the last time i clicked on it was a number of years ago. if i dont want to listen to the ingame music i turn the music volume slider down. if want to listen to my own music i use one of the MANY free available players (i.e. winamp, spotify etc etc)
If you only want to listen to certain in game tracks they're on spotify.
Additionally CCP have stated the reason for the removal of the jukebox iirc it was basically legacy coding from the launch of eve, coding which they are currently going through removing and updating. If a feature is no longer widely used (jukebox) it is not worth the man hours recoding it, hours which can be better spent on improving quality of life in the game
tl;dr - Get over yourself, the majority don't care about the lack of jukebox or your argument
the majority of players find mining boring as hell, does that mean mining should be removed, just because the MAJORITY don't like it?
you may not have used the jukebox, however, i did, i miss the feature quite a lot. should i keep quiet about what i like because i'm not the majority? |
Scaramanga Erquilenne
9
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Posted - 2012.12.14 22:08:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:I have difficulty believing that people are this incredibly stupid.
Then again, this is the melting pot of EvE... where even the mentally challenged are allowed to post.
The reasons for removal were clear and concise, the alternatives simple and spelled out for you.
Move along.
Another one here , Any one who complains is mentally challenged are incredibly stupid as ranger1 tells us
So lets add it all up
Pissy bitching Dumb mentally challenged incredibly stupid
All comments aimed at people who complained about the removal of the jukebox .A dev even posted here and not one flag was raised.Seems like some people just want to trade insults here and CCP seems quite happy to let it descend in to that .
Sad state of affairs in the Eve community forums |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
2135
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Posted - 2012.12.14 22:27:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Youtube and other places are getting more difficult to play various music content in a row like a play list though and I keep getting songs that are not eve from these places. Try Grooveshark. It's pretty great. Rifterlings - small gang frigate PvP - low/nullsec operations, newbie-friendly, free ship program; Join today! www.rifterlings.com
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MainDrain
7th Deepari Defence Armada The Veyr Collective
24
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Posted - 2012.12.14 22:33:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Youtube and other places are getting more difficult to play various music content in a row like a play list though and I keep getting songs that are not eve from these places. Try Grooveshark. It's pretty great.
Im a fan of spotify personally |
Colman Dietmar
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.12.14 22:55:00 -
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You can play whatever music you want using third-party music players. No need to distract CCP with stuff that's already done and done well from things that actually matter: ship balancing, game interface and general gameplay.
As for the general new music approach, I like it, but there's plenty room for improvement. For one, perhaps players should be enabled to create custom playlists for the ingame situations the new feature adapts to. |
Scaramanga Erquilenne
9
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Posted - 2012.12.14 23:02:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:Nova Fox wrote:Youtube and other places are getting more difficult to play various music content in a row like a play list though and I keep getting songs that are not eve from these places. Try Grooveshark. It's pretty great.
Thanks for this link just tryed it its much better than you tube could make a nice long playlist here will give it a try .Seem to have a lot of tracks i like . |
The Hamilton
The Circus Corp Intrepid Crossing
44
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Posted - 2012.12.15 02:43:00 -
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Use your own... simple enough fix. Meanwhile new players can be introduced to the music of Eve in a more appropriate environment |
Crimeo Khamsi
AirHogs Zulu People
64
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Posted - 2012.12.15 03:48:00 -
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androch wrote:point is you have to take your attention away from eve to use the outside programs... that is why people liked using the jukebox in game, same with other tools that are in game Are you seriously suggesting that it would ruin your game experience to have to hit alt tab and click on a new playlist in windows media player for 5 seconds every 2 hours?
If so, you have much bigger problems than a jukebox. For example: what do you do when you need to use the bathroom? Do you have a catheter inserted when you play Eve, so that your game experience doesn't get completely ruined by having to leave the game client for 2 minutes to relieve yourself?
Are you on a glucose IV drip so that your immersive game experience isn't ruined by having to make a sandwich every 5 hours of game time?
Quote:[quote=Nova Fox]Youtube and other places are getting more difficult to play various music content in a row like a play list though and I keep getting songs that are not eve from these places. Pay for your music?
If we had an in game jukebox, CCP (and thus you as a customer) would have to pay for the music anyway, so why not just do it yourself and put it in itunes or windows media player? Then you can get hours of uninterrupted personalized playlists, maintenance free. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
364
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Posted - 2012.12.15 06:18:00 -
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Please bring back the jukebox. I hate having to use an external program to listen to the game soundtrack. I don't know of any other game that would kill the in-game music player and tell the players to use an third party solution.
P.S. the condescending and arrogant attitude expressed by the CSM rep who responded goes a long way towards why so many players have a negative view of the whole process. What you want is irrelevant, what you've chosen is at hand. |
Besina Echerie
The Scope Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2012.12.15 07:38:00 -
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I've been having issues with alt-tabbing out lately.. I was trying to use Pandora, but it has that 'have to be active' thing, and when I tabbed out to turn it back on, Eve dropped its socket or some such thing.
If it's such a bother, maybe CCP should leave the Jukebox GUI in, but have it set up to be a set of controls for an outside program, and have people open-source the adaptor to whatever player that it runs? Then they can leave the gui in forever unchanged and it's SEP to maintain the player itself. |
EXIA MIKOSZ
Strike Birds Zero
0
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Posted - 2012.12.15 10:51:00 -
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I Want it Back as well!!!! I like to chose my music by myself specialy when i have my favorites ones |
RealEchnaton
SonnenFeuer
0
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Posted - 2012.12.15 11:43:00 -
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i never belief., that so a little piece of eve habe so much impact of my joy of this game, but it is serious.
plz stop my negative storm of creative inventing new bad words for the developer, who have remove the jukebox, let me play eve relaxed and as a good rest after a hard work day.
- Nerf my favorite ships - make jukebox optional for only they want it - half my isk every day...
But bring the jukebox back again.....
so i signed this thread
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androch
Lasting Forge Holding Rebel Alliance of New Eden
3
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Posted - 2012.12.15 12:56:00 -
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what these ignorant trolls that tell us to use media player and such seem to be too dumb to realize is that lately alt tabbing from eve has been causing crashes and socket errors repeatedly so messing with a playlist outside eve... not a viable option for some players |
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Shakhal McCansey
Black Crescent Corp.
0
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Posted - 2012.12.15 13:00:00 -
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/signed Bring it back! I was a couple of month's away no it's gone!? whats wrong? -Shak |
giglio
Lost Misanthropes
0
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Posted - 2012.12.15 13:40:00 -
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The actual music system have to be an option not an imposition. The old jukebox and the present music system can live together and leave the players do their choice.
I want my beloved jukebox back, I want to listen my EvE original soundtrack, I want to listen beautiful EvE's musics in the way and in the order I prefer and according to my temporary mood.
Without the old jukebox this is not the same game, this is not the best game in the world...this is not EvE.
Give my Jukebox back.
/Signed |
androch
Lasting Forge Holding Rebel Alliance of New Eden
3
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Posted - 2012.12.15 18:22:00 -
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yes! more sigs! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2210
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Posted - 2012.12.15 23:24:00 -
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I posted this in another thread on this topic. I TOTALLY support the return of the jukebox so long as the automatic music selection remains an option. I personally love environment and circumstance driven music and sound but I also see how folks might want to select what to listen to.
Since I posted in support for this idea previously please edit the first post to include in the CSM response "Issler supports the petition".
Issler |
Crimeo Khamsi
AirHogs Zulu People
64
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Posted - 2012.12.16 00:07:00 -
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androch wrote:what these ignorant trolls that tell us to use media player and such seem to be too dumb to realize is that lately alt tabbing from eve has been causing crashes and socket errors repeatedly so messing with a playlist outside eve... not a viable option for some players borderless window mode, then. |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
2165
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Posted - 2012.12.16 02:23:00 -
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Believe it or not, CCP is able to see exactly how many people are doing something in EVE. For example, they can tell you how many players were flying Apocs with 280mm Artys on Jan 23rd, 2007 if they wanted to. That is how deep and accurate their data mining goes. Because of this, they are able to base design and development decisions not off of forum posts or speculation but actual hard data. The fact is that the percentage of players over the last nearly ten years that used the jukebox was so minuscule that it barely registered on the radar. In the process of refining the UI and adding additional functionality to other areas of the game, the Jukebox was obviously considered too low of a priority for resources.
It's gone and it's not coming back, at least not in the form that you've been used to, if in any form at all.
Don't shoot the messenger because you don't like what he has to say, this is just the way it is. CSM 7 Chairman My Blog - Where I say stuff Follow Seleene on Twitter! |
androch
Lasting Forge Holding Rebel Alliance of New Eden
3
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Posted - 2012.12.16 16:48:00 -
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am i the only one who notices that csm staff never has player interests in mind? |
DarkestHeart
The Pack Fidelas Constans
44
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Posted - 2012.12.16 17:31:00 -
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Seleene wrote:Believe it or not, CCP is able to see exactly how many people are doing something in EVE. For example, they can tell you how many players were flying Apocs with 280mm Artys on Jan 23rd, 2007 if they wanted to. That is how deep and accurate their data mining goes. Because of this, they are able to base design and development decisions not off of forum posts or speculation but actual hard data. The fact is that the percentage of players over the last nearly ten years that used the jukebox was so minuscule that it barely registered on the radar. In the process of refining the UI and adding additional functionality to other areas of the game, the Jukebox was obviously considered too low of a priority for resources. It's gone and it's not coming back, at least not in the form that you've been used to, if in any form at all. Don't shoot the messenger because you don't like what he has to say, this is just the way it is. BTW, you can still DL the music here or stream it over SoundCloud here if you want.
If what you are saying is true, which due to other evidence that has been given over the past two weeks - CCP are able to get client data logs, which goes against most petition responses for reimbursement. But thats another topic all together, back to the jukebox.
Unsure if we're getting trolled now by CSM or not - going to hopefully say not, updating first post to count new signees and CSM member approval (even if its only ).
Androch - I think its fair to say most of EvE feel the same. |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
2170
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Posted - 2012.12.16 19:24:00 -
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androch wrote:am i the only one who notices that csm staff never has player interests in mind?
Staff would have to be paid. We are not.
Also, we do have the player's interests in mind; that is why we aren't bothering CCP overly about a feature like this which can be easily duplicated by downloading WinAmp and the soundtrack. CSM 7 Chairman My Blog - Where I say stuff Follow Seleene on Twitter! |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
2170
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Posted - 2012.12.16 19:25:00 -
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DarkestHeart wrote:
Unsure if we're getting trolled now by CSM or not -
I have absolutely no reason to troll you. CSM 7 Chairman My Blog - Where I say stuff Follow Seleene on Twitter! |
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