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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Forsak3n.
610
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Posted - 2013.10.05 08:15:00 -
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Gingar Bread wrote:So, Programming the Jukebox back in takes the same amount of time than adding a tiny new sound-effect to the marauder animation? I think that's an insulting oversimplification.
Just the same, I am interested to hear an estimate or approximation from RealX or other developer on how much the cost of the jukebox would be. I have difficulty imagining it could be much, but I'm willing to accept that I may be wrong.
I think I'd take the jukebox over a revamp of turret sounds, even if it left them sounding clangy in new hardware....or whatever you guys are constantly fixing behind the scenes. And I love me my turret sounds. (I miss the old medium railgun sound  )
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. |
Kurt Saken
State War Academy
Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2013.10.10 13:12:00 -
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I miss the Jukebox. Yeah, yeah, soundcloud and blah blah blah. Please bring it back.
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Vorseger
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.10.11 01:33:00 -
[543] - Quote
So the sound cloud link now only has 17 songs listed? Are there multiple sound cloud music sets?
https://soundcloud.com/ccpgames/sets/eve-online-in-game-tracks is the link I use to listen....to 17 tracks...just ~2-3 weeks ago this track list had over 70 songs. Would really like a full sound cloud set that would play the songs from each expansion. Would be epic. ELSE BRING JUKE BOX BACK. Or do both! |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Forsak3n.
620
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:03:00 -
[544] - Quote
the soundcloud has the songs in the wrong order and some are the wrong version. It's not my jukebox!!!
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. |
Psychoactive Stimulant
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2013.10.11 02:19:00 -
[545] - Quote
Signed. bump bump. |
Juan Thang
Old American Syndicate
Silent Infinity
15
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Posted - 2013.10.11 03:57:00 -
[546] - Quote
+1 |
Collie Buddz
Inner Shadow
C.L.O.N.E.
19
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Posted - 2013.10.11 19:30:00 -
[547] - Quote
/Signed |
Morux
0bdurate RdEV
0
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Posted - 2013.10.11 20:13:00 -
[548] - Quote
Signed.
Without Jukebox, if you're running in fullscreen mode, there's no way of controlling any music unless you alt+tab or put the eve client into windowed mode. Was rather bummed to discover that this app was removed from the game. Even if it has limited support on codec types, what it had before was much better than what we have now... which is nothing! Please bring it back  |
FightingMoose
Norse'Storm Battle Group
9
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Posted - 2013.10.11 20:32:00 -
[549] - Quote
Not worth the development resources, imho. For the rest of y'all, why don't you just get an MP3 player with an overlay and listen to the EVE soundtrack in that?
Personally, I have no idea how you can listen to those few tracks over and over again, but to each their own.
Proud owner of an Ibis. |
Vain Eldritch
State War Academy
Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2013.10.15 08:47:00 -
[550] - Quote
/signed
Not buying the excuses. It was a functionality that many players loved and it was removed - presumably so CCP could waste dev time on Dust.
Bring it back.
Androgynous Caldari Cross-dresser |
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Shimrod Ombreflamme
AtlantiA French Corp
Silent Ascension
1
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Posted - 2013.10.15 09:28:00 -
[551] - Quote
+1
Bring back the Jukebox. |
Ybloc Ydodge
Repercussus
RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.10.17 05:54:00 -
[552] - Quote
/signed
*Below the Asteroids*
http://i.imgur.com/SxNs8AT.gif |
Kurt Saken
State War Academy
Caldari State
96
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Posted - 2013.10.17 16:38:00 -
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I started playing EVE because i heard its soundtrack somewhere and i fell in love instantly and i think that the jukebox was one of the best features of this game. One year later i still don't understand why you removed it instead of improving it if it was causing problems.
Mr. J+Śn Hallur, please bring it back. I know that we can use external tools to make our own playlists but your music deserves a better place in its own game. |
Vrenth
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP
The Marmite Collective
76
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Posted - 2013.10.17 17:02:00 -
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CCP RealX wrote:Hi, I want to thank you all for taking time to give this matter you attention. We (meaning the CCP sound department) are monitoring this thread closely and take all opinions into consideration. I hope you don't think we made this decision lightly. First, some back story. As many of you know that used the jukebox it was quite buggy and we got a lot of negative feedback regarding its use, it didn't measure up to other media players, it didn't support this or that codec etc. The jukebox works as a plugin to our audio engine (Audio Kinetics WWise) and was based on a now deprecated Microsoft MP3 decoder that was used as an example on how to build plugins for the WWise engine. As mentioned in the blog these were the biggest issues that factored into the removal the jukebox. We believe we made the right decision but that is for EVE's community to decide. If we however made the wrong decision and you decide that we will put the jukebox back into the game, it will happen at the cost of adding new game-play related features. And I ask you all to weigh that into your thoughts on the matter. The jukebox needs a lot of love, and if we will give it all the love that it needs it will take development time away from game-play related features. If you decide that there is more value for you in the jukebox than there is in new features we will shift our focus back to the jukebox. Regards, RealX
I don't see why the existing music system can't just be added to the jukebox. Allow it to automatically switch the music depending on combat/system you are in, and what you are doing, but also allow it to be changed, and for us to add our own music into it. There is no reason for you guys to remove features from the game just because you didnt like the old music selection...
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xKOMODOx
7
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Posted - 2013.10.17 17:57:00 -
[555] - Quote
Yes, that's right ... bring it back. |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions
Headshot Gaming
200
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:04:00 -
[556] - Quote
CCP RealX wrote:Hi, I want to thank you all for taking time to give this matter you attention. We (meaning the CCP sound department) are monitoring this thread closely and take all opinions into consideration. I hope you don't think we made this decision lightly. First, some back story. As many of you know that used the jukebox it was quite buggy and we got a lot of negative feedback regarding its use, it didn't measure up to other media players, it didn't support this or that codec etc. The jukebox works as a plugin to our audio engine (Audio Kinetics WWise) and was based on a now deprecated Microsoft MP3 decoder that was used as an example on how to build plugins for the WWise engine. As mentioned in the blog these were the biggest issues that factored into the removal the jukebox. We believe we made the right decision but that is for EVE's community to decide. If we however made the wrong decision and you decide that we will put the jukebox back into the game, it will happen at the cost of adding new game-play related features. And I ask you all to weigh that into your thoughts on the matter. The jukebox needs a lot of love, and if we will give it all the love that it needs it will take development time away from game-play related features. If you decide that there is more value for you in the jukebox than there is in new features we will shift our focus back to the jukebox. Regards, RealX
To be honest as an audio department if you are indeed responsible for audio management in the game...that should be your primary focus. I fail to see where this hurts further game developing features unless you are speaking of additional aaudio features like fixing EVE Voice for example.
Another issue here is taking control out of the players hands completely. Granted the jukebox may have had some incompatability issues with specific imported sound clips; however, the previous version of the jukebox that only allowed the music within eve to be played did not. You could not add in your own music, BUT you could choose which song played even if it was Below the Asteroids 50 times in a row. It is that level of control you have taken away.
As for the current state of the jukebox. I am sorry to be rather blunt, but you (the audio dept) are responsible for working out issues revolving new features such as a jukebox where you can import music. However, I am forced to now rely on spotify or pandora to listen to my own music when CCP has flipped head over heals to integrate twitch functions into the client? Sorry but thats rubbish. I would rather had seen development to fix the jukebox and THEN add in twitch.
Development resources aren't being wasted here in my opinion its not like we are having to sacrifice a new ship in place of a jukebox. Its simple the audio department can work out the jukebox and actually WORK on audio...amazing stuff!
I encourage the jukebox's return and lets start fixing stuff that players ARE in fact using before adding new content. Your metrics say that not many are using the jukebox. Unfortunately your metrics are not telling you that the majority of those figures come from alt accounts being utilized at the same time as a primary. So if its saying 20% of eve actually uses it...its a fair bet that its closer to 60-80% of eve. Not everyone will have the jukebox running on 3-4 clients when they need only listen through one client. |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries
Silent Infinity
106
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:42:00 -
[557] - Quote
Why is it that when I am in null there is basically no music but when I am in hi sec all my favorite tunes start playing? What happened to Below The Asteroids and I Saw Your Ship in null? Why does null have to be devoid of music? |
Silent Cyborg
WIFI Express
TAXU
1
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:23:00 -
[558] - Quote
CCP RealX wrote:Hi, I want to thank you all for taking time to give this matter you attention. We (meaning the CCP sound department) are monitoring this thread closely and take all opinions into consideration. I hope you don't think we made this decision lightly. First, some back story. As many of you know that used the jukebox it was quite buggy and we got a lot of negative feedback regarding its use, it didn't measure up to other media players, it didn't support this or that codec etc. The jukebox works as a plugin to our audio engine (Audio Kinetics WWise) and was based on a now deprecated Microsoft MP3 decoder that was used as an example on how to build plugins for the WWise engine. As mentioned in the blog these were the biggest issues that factored into the removal the jukebox. We believe we made the right decision but that is for EVE's community to decide. If we however made the wrong decision and you decide that we will put the jukebox back into the game, it will happen at the cost of adding new game-play related features. And I ask you all to weigh that into your thoughts on the matter. The jukebox needs a lot of love, and if we will give it all the love that it needs it will take development time away from game-play related features. If you decide that there is more value for you in the jukebox than there is in new features we will shift our focus back to the jukebox. Regards, RealX
First of all I loved the juke box, yes it had a few flaws and then you gave the ability to play my personal music in to the juke box it was Great.
Yes we know there was bugs, Newsflash eve is full of bugs, hell I got a bug report from 3 years ago that still hasn't been corrected.
Please don't try and control us in our option's:
CCP RealX wrote: If we however made the wrong decision and you decide that we will put the jukebox back into the game, it will happen at the cost of adding new game-play related features.
Do we not pay for this game paying your wages sir??? I think we do and we the customer want the retrieval of what was all read there in game. So what if it slows the development of the game slightly, I mean what you don't have the code for the jukebox? oh wait the source code can be found in previous versions that any decent company would always back up their work so the coding would be able to be retrieved if you looked hard enough.
There was contact with the player base about the juke box was dictated to us that it would be removed.
Yes I know that your metrics say that not many people used the juke box, Ok I will give you that, but please what do your metrics say to the percentage of people using the jukebox with unique IP addresses? I mean commonly I have multiple accounts running at anyone time, there go I am not going to have multiple jukeboxes playing am I? So I have 1. I know a lot of pilots that have multiple accounts that also enjoyed the jukebox and would use it.
Please now look at your metrics and tell us what percentage of people keep the game music on. and then compare it to the number of people with the jukebox, and make sure that this survey is don't from a unique IP address point if view otherwise then your argument is a mute point.
+1 signed BRING BACK THE JUKE BOX (which gave us the player a choice of audio)
PS
There has been very little come out with from the audio department in recent times, wouldn't it be nice if they actually worked for their pay check?
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Forsak3n.
635
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Posted - 2013.10.17 22:56:00 -
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Octoven wrote:So if its saying 20% of eve actually uses it... I think it was more like 5% usage. If you count alt accounts vs main accounts, you can easily bump that up to 15% usage, and then you have to consider how many people weren't using it because it NEEDED MORE WORK, not because they didn't want to use it. That will bring the figure to maybe 25-35%. Consider still how many people don't think much of it yet but would choose to use it if it were revamped to allow the option to run music from our computer, and you start to get some nice potential usage figures.
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. |
Silent Cyborg
WIFI Express
TAXU
1
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Posted - 2013.10.17 23:23:00 -
[560] - Quote
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Octoven wrote:So if its saying 20% of eve actually uses it... I think it was more like 5% usage. If you count alt accounts vs main accounts, you can easily bump that up to 15% usage, and then you have to consider how many people weren't using it because it NEEDED MORE WORK, not because they didn't want to use it. That will bring the figure to maybe 25-35%. Consider still how many people don't think much of it yet but would choose to use it if it were revamped to allow the option to run music from our computer, and you start to get some nice potential usage figures.
where are you getting this 5% figure from. We are wanting facts not hearsay or your point is worthless |
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Octoven
Phoenix Productions
Headshot Gaming
203
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Posted - 2013.10.17 23:27:00 -
[561] - Quote
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Octoven wrote:So if its saying 20% of eve actually uses it... I think it was more like 5% usage. If you count alt accounts vs main accounts, you can easily bump that up to 15% usage, and then you have to consider how many people weren't using it because it NEEDED MORE WORK, not because they didn't want to use it. That will bring the figure to maybe 25-35%. Consider still how many people don't think much of it yet but would choose to use it if it were revamped to allow the option to run music from our computer, and you start to get some nice potential usage figures.
Hmm I would indeed like to see some documentation to that fact please. As for the usability, had they removed the JB they could have placed the original one in its place. There were no issues around that AND it did give player controls. Rather than revert it they just flat out took the controls away which isn't a feasible option to those who do actually use it. |
DarkestHeart
The Pack
Fidelas Constans
156
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Posted - 2013.10.18 13:27:00 -
[562] - Quote
Since I made this thread its been consistently at the front few pages. When will CCP take note? When will they respond?
What I want to know is how big is the biggest petition yet for CCP, cause I would bet this is it :) |
Silent Cyborg
WIFI Express
TAXU
1
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Posted - 2013.10.18 15:13:00 -
[563] - Quote
I too a great supporter of this thread would also love CCP respond comment like or even give is the time of day to at least tell us they are looking in to the matter. Personally I have Mailed the thread to a dev asking for someone to take a look. figures crossed they actually read it |
Octoven
Phoenix Productions
Headshot Gaming
203
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Posted - 2013.10.18 15:21:00 -
[564] - Quote
DarkestHeart wrote:Since I made this thread its been consistently at the front few pages. When will CCP take note? When will they respond?
What I want to know is how big is the biggest petition yet for CCP, cause I would bet this is it :)
Actually I think the threadnaught for giving back Incarna station environments tops this  |
Zari Otoshi
The Time Trousers
0
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Posted - 2013.10.18 16:40:00 -
[565] - Quote
/signed
Bring back please. At least with jukebox, I could hit pause before I used an acceleration gate and got the wtf noisy accel gate music. I hate being forced to use winamp or whatnot after years of having the jukebox. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Forsak3n.
635
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:16:00 -
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Octoven wrote:DarkestHeart wrote:Since I made this thread its been consistently at the front few pages. When will CCP take note? When will they respond?
What I want to know is how big is the biggest petition yet for CCP, cause I would bet this is it :) Actually I think the threadnaught for giving back Incarna station environments tops this I am certain that Thousand Papercuts tops this by a long shot, but if we're only counting petitions that are still on the table and haven't been formally and publicly addressed, this is probably somewhere near the top.
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. |
Silent Cyborg
WIFI Express
TAXU
2
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Posted - 2013.10.20 19:42:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote: I am certain that Thousand Papercuts tops this by a long shot, but if we're only counting petitions that are still on the table and haven't been formally and publicly addressed, this is probably somewhere near the top.
It is a GM's job to answer petitions, bug reports, support tickets. Dev's (Normally) respond to forum posts when they hit a certain length but with people spamming requests for information not only in this forum post but in mails to Devs i hope that CCP don't do the normal and stick there head in the sand because people are challenging them.
Its starting to look like a pattern is merging here, players are not happy with the way CCP has decided to radically change things in game, and then in there own words *walked away* (CCP Fozzie) from the problem, come back to it when its too late and forced the change anyway. Or don't i have to mention about the Jita riots, and the on going Marauder rebalancing. |
provola Rolando
Oscura Simmetria
Yulai Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.11.07 07:58:00 -
[568] - Quote
+1 please bring it back i really miss it |
Nick Starbright
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2013.11.16 13:27:00 -
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*Signing the petition*
I want it back. I thought this game was about choice.
Best wishes and regards,
Nick Starbright. |
DarkestHeart
The Pack
Fidelas Constans
158
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Posted - 2013.11.22 13:32:00 -
[570] - Quote
A bump, a lovely, shameless and yet slightly endearing bump. |
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