Ok I will say it even though I anticipate people will disagree.

If the destroyer changes go through and they are still allowed in minor plexes they will likely be the only ships used in those plexes. I suppose the armor tanked double web/disruptor hookbill might work as well but other than that it will be all thrashers and catalysts.

So because I like think that would be horribly boring I will say that if the destroyer changes go through as indicated I hope they are not allowed in minor plexes.

Better imo is just to let T2 frigs into minor plexes. Especially since CCP has indicated they consider faction frigs to be 'better' than T2

I would like it if when I was in a races complex there was a boost to the sensor strength of that race's ships. So in an amarr complex all amarr ships would get a huge boost to radar sensor strength. All ships in Gallente complexs would get a boost to Magnometric, all ships in minmatar would get a boost to ladar etc.

The idea would be that the complexes are set up to boost their own races ships. So if I am in the amarr militia flying a minmatar ship I would still get the bonus if I am in a minmatar complex.

The bonus would be considerable like 10xs the ship sensor strength. In other words ecm would be all but pointless if you are facing that factions ships in their own complex.

1) I think this would add some amount of role play even if small

2)) I think this would give some encouragement to fly racial ships. Although it wouldn't be that big of a deal.

3) It would give some small discouragement to using ecm ships and drones in plexes. I don't want to turn this into an ecm needs a nerf thread (I'm actually not really in favor of a nerf to ecm) but I think in the solo and small gang setting ecm is a bit overpowered. A griffin with multi specs can pretty much permajam every bc out there.

No. This will just ruin things. If you take sov, everyone will be flying your ships (offensive or defensive) and when you lose it the other race's ships will be used. This will REMOVE variation to the pvp...

Never experienced ECM abuse as a major problem while plexing to be honest, a lot worse in "open space" fights but that is the Eve norm I reckon.

*UPDATE* - .... NOTE - This is a list of issues, not a list of solutions. I think we all agree on the issues - so let this be the concrete message that gets sent, even if we don't all agree on how it should be fixed.

I will continue to update this trend list, as a resource for the CSM to bring with them to the summit, in a concise form they can present to CCP on our behalf. Please continue to share feedback if you want something bumped onto the trending issues list.

Top Trending Faction Warfare Quick Fixes - "the little stuff"

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2.) Pirate frigates widely considered too powerful to be included in a plex designed for tech 1 frigates and destroyers. Faction Frigates make sense for Faction Warfare, but if interceptors are banned than Dramiels and Daredevils should be as well. ......

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2.) Capping plexes is too easy. Circling a button is boring, and doesnGÇÖt lead to engaging combat.

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No. This will just ruin things. If you take sov, everyone will be flying your ships (offensive or defensive) and when you lose it the other race's ships will be used. This will REMOVE variation to the pvp...

I think the vast majority of cearains ideas are ********, why you even read his posts still is beyond me.

Caerain - I updated the blurb about plexing to better reflect the views of the greater FW community - upon reviewing the relevant threads most are split on how to fix the plex situation, roughly half favor beefing up or balancing the NPC difficulty, adjusting the AI to avoid speedtanking, others like yourself favor elimination of PVE entirely.

Either way, the mechanics inside the plex are clearly something that needs attention, everyone agrees on that.

I have to say that I don't agree that either of the above is an issue that needs to be fixed. I think your op comes the closest to a consensus so I gave it a like - me and about 20 others. Hell it seems there are over 6xs as many people who want ccp to start working on incarna again as people who agree this is what needs to be fixed in fw.

I'm just saying there are very few of us on these boards that agree on much when it comes to fw.

Not only do we have people who think about the mechanics and come up with different ideas about what should be fixed. But we have players who seem more concerned about who posted the idea than the idea itself. Yes some people never really grow out of that junior high mentality.

Does anyone know what changes to fw are on sisi?

So bascially as it stands theres naffall changes being implemented / proposed changes planned for FW?

Nice waste of a thread..............again...........if this is the case.

Can one of the GM's confirm things are being looked at? or has it been shelved?

Would be nice to know where things stand either way.

Actually, the developers have confirmed that they are working on a Faction Warfare improvement right now. Also, the CSM have an upcoming summit in December, and have said they will revisit FW with CCP during those talks. I've been speaking with the CSM to ensure they have everything they need from us to pass along to CCP.

The GM's are the wrong people to ask about this sort of thing, that's a whole different department dedicated to resolving in-game issues and account issues, they strictly deal with whats already live and in progress on Tranquility.

I could care less whether FW is fixed to my liking at this point, I just want to see progress as soon as possible and am trying to work with the CSM to give them what they've asked for going into the summit.

The five points each under "little fixes" and "big ideas" are among the most repeated suggestions for improvement that have been shared, though obviously there will still be some individuals that don't feel those are issues, even amongst the most vocal on the forums. Everyone's feedback here is valuable though, so definitely keep sharing your thoughts. It's impossible to obtain a 100% consensus on any given talking point, but that doesn't mean there aren't some common themes amongst the fix suggestions. NPC issues in plexes / missions are one of the oldest items on the to-do list, and even had a CSM resolution backing it historically, so I've included it on the list for now.

I refuse to be swayed by the idea that we are an obscure minority, and that Incarna somehow trumps FW in terms of fan popularity. I really think that most players have simply given up speaking up based on CCP's history of ignoring the issue, and that there is a huge base of players like Kinis Deren here that would welcome a healthy, functioning, FW system in lowsec. The past CSM resolutions were all passed because of huge player support for FW fixes, back when you could vote in support of proposals. Eventually the situation got so bad that the proposals were no longer about what to fix, but about the lack of attention and more importantly total lack of communication with players about FW.

I think now, its not a minority of players who want FW fixed, its a minority of players who are willing to fight for such fixes. And when we give up, that is the moment it really will become an abandoned feature.

They are making sites respawn differently, not only after DT, which is great, but SO THE **** WHAT

Just NOW they are getting to it?

They just don't mention it on the feature page, without any further information.

CCP never changes.

This.