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Tusko Hopkins HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded 0	Posted - 2011.10.06 08:57:00 - [1] - Quote First of all, I welcome the new dev blog by CCP Zulu. It's great and the promises to actively fix a lot of broken game mechanics and content are superb, I really hope CCP keeps up on its promise to deliver. There was one bullet point in the planned changes for the winter expansion that raised my eyebrows a little and it was the one about assault ships. I was wondering: do they really need to be changed? Alright, they are not the most potent ships in EVE but in their own class (frigs) they are doing kind of okay. The key problem with them is most people are flying larger ships assault frigs cannot easily kill... and maybe they are a bit slow. But I still think they are kinda okay, especially when compared to other completely neglected classes like the ew frigs, tier 1 battlecruisers or black ops.
Grimpak Midnight Elites Echelon Rising 64	Posted - 2011.10.06 09:01:00 - [2] - Quote Tusko Hopkins wrote: First of all, I welcome the new dev blog by CCP Zulu. It's great and the promises to actively fix a lot of broken game mechanics and content are superb, I really hope CCP keeps up on its promise to deliver. There was one bullet point in the planned changes for the winter expansion that raised my eyebrows a little and it was the one about assault ships. I was wondering: do they really need to be changed? Alright, they are not the most potent ships in EVE but in their own class (frigs) they are doing kind of okay. The key problem with them is most people are flying larger ships assault frigs cannot easily kill... and maybe they are a bit slow. But I still think they are kinda okay, especially when compared to other completely neglected classes like the ew frigs, tier 1 battlecruisers or black ops. 4th bonus. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img] [quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right
Sarmatiko 109	Posted - 2011.10.06 09:03:00 - [3] - Quote OP tell me is there any practical reason to train assault ship now (besides HAC prereq) if you can simply jump into dramiel and shoot people with much more better effect? Without rebalance, even with upcoming Dramiel nerf all existing asaults will still suck.
Ciar Meara Virtus Vindice 136	Posted - 2011.10.06 09:09:00 - [4] - Quote 4 th bonus Retribution has only one med slot, NO ship should have just one med slot. Some general balancing for all ships has been the goal of the next expansion according to interviews with CCP. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]
ShahFluffers Ice Fire Warriors 58	Posted - 2011.10.06 09:09:00 - [5] - Quote Sarmatiko wrote: OP tell me is there any practical reason to train assault ship now (besides HAC prereq) if you can simply jump into dramiel and shoot people with much more better effect? Without rebalance, even with upcoming Dramiel nerf all existing asaults will still suck. Ever run into a fleet composed of nothing but Ishkurs? It's loltastically nasty! "Just because I seem like an idiot, doesn't mean I am one." ~Unknown
Tusko Hopkins HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded 0	Posted - 2011.10.06 09:20:00 - [6] - Quote Sarmatiko wrote: OP tell me is there any practical reason to train assault ship now (besides HAC prereq) if you can simply jump into dramiel and shoot people with much more better effect? Without rebalance, even with upcoming Dramiel nerf all existing asaults will still suck. I think giving them a 4th bonus just because other ships have 4 bonuses is a silly argument. It should not be about the number of bonuses, it should be about the quality and usefulness of those. Their imbalance vs faction frigs is a good point, but I think the error there on the faction frig side and they should be nerfed. At least the dramiel :) I myself haven't used assault frigs a lot. I sometimes used them for faction spawn hunting in 0.0 and for grinding up standings at low level missions, and have taken the jag time to time for interceptor roles when I got bored of real interceptors. But you are right: I could have taken a drami or daredevil instead. At a higher price, of course.
Zey Nadar Aliastra Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2011.10.06 09:20:00 - [7] - Quote I dont think assault frigates need a change.
knobber Jobbler Holding Inc. 4	Posted - 2011.10.06 09:21:00 - [8] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Sarmatiko wrote: OP tell me is there any practical reason to train assault ship now (besides HAC prereq) if you can simply jump into dramiel and shoot people with much more better effect? Without rebalance, even with upcoming Dramiel nerf all existing asaults will still suck. Ever run into a fleet composed of nothing but Ishkurs? It's loltastically nasty! Yah, did a fleet with near 100 af's with many ishkurs in once and it was pure pwnage.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 440	Posted - 2011.10.06 09:25:00 - [9] - Quote Tusko Hopkins wrote: Sarmatiko wrote: OP tell me is there any practical reason to train assault ship now (besides HAC prereq) if you can simply jump into dramiel and shoot people with much more better effect? Without rebalance, even with upcoming Dramiel nerf all existing asaults will still suck. I think giving them a 4th bonus just because other ships have 4 bonuses is a silly argument. It should not be about the number of bonuses, it should be about the quality and usefulness of those. Their imbalance vs faction frigs is a good point, but I think the error there on the faction frig side and they should be nerfed. At least the dramiel :) I myself haven't used assault frigs a lot. I sometimes used them for faction spawn hunting in 0.0 and for grinding up standings at low level missions, and have taken the jag time to time for interceptor roles when I got bored of real interceptors. But you are right: I could have taken a drami or daredevil instead. At a higher price, of course. So you yourself admit that you have almost no PvP use for AFs, and then ask why they need fixing? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 440	Posted - 2011.10.06 09:26:00 - [10] - Quote Zey Nadar wrote: I dont think assault frigates need a change. Which AFs do you fly regularly? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
ArmyOfMe TEDDYBEARS. Aesir Empire 6	Posted - 2011.10.06 09:32:00 - [11] - Quote ShahFluffers wrote: Sarmatiko wrote: OP tell me is there any practical reason to train assault ship now (besides HAC prereq) if you can simply jump into dramiel and shoot people with much more better effect? Without rebalance, even with upcoming Dramiel nerf all existing asaults will still suck. Ever run into a fleet composed of nothing but Ishkurs? It's loltastically nasty! So is a fleet of titans, or logis or blackbirds for that matter. If the fleet is big enough then most ships will turn out to be awesome, so your point is moot. Af's have been a overlooked class for years and its about time it gets a boost of some sort.
Karn Dulake Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance 20	Posted - 2011.10.06 09:35:00 - [12] - Quote Amarr needs it the most. They have no role. One of them has only one mid slot. and the other has tickle DPS.
Shadowsword The Rough Riders Ares Protectiva 11	Posted - 2011.10.06 09:35:00 - [13] - Quote Ciar Meara wrote: 4 th bonus Retribution has only one med slot, NO ship should have just one med slot. Some general balancing for all ships has been the goal of the next expansion according to interviews with CCP. Second that. The second bonus doesn't need to be all that huge, but right now, one single BC could take out 4 assault frigs (unless their fit EW), while having the same utility in a fleet that an assault frig. AF in general need a boost, and the Retribution really need to be able to fit a disruptor/web besides the afterburner/MWD.
Skippermonkey Tactical Knightmare 75	Posted - 2011.10.06 09:39:00 - [14] - Quote retribution needs another mid slot.... i want a decent assault frigate that uses lasers! (hell, i'd like a decent FRIGATE that uses lasers, at the moment you have a choice of Slicer or nothing)
Florestan Bronstein United Engineering Services 89	Posted - 2011.10.06 10:06:00 - [15] - Quote Skippermonkey wrote: retribution needs another mid slot.... i want a decent assault frigate that uses lasers! (hell, i'd like a decent FRIGATE that uses lasers, at the moment you have a choice of Slicer or nothing) laser-fit Punisher is not as bad as you make it out to be... I used to fly it a lot in RvB and imo it is definitely one of the strongest frigates (after Rifter and AC Punisher). and the Crusader is a decent alternative to the Slicer
Othran Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 43	Posted - 2011.10.06 10:07:00 - [16] - Quote Ah the 4th bonus. Promised/trailed but never delivered. Almost mythical status by now I think all of the AFs need a bonus which makes them unique. Fair few of them are just either falloff or optimal + damage bonuses. At the end of the exercise we should end up with 8 ships, each one having a unique set of bonuses. Oh and for gods sakes give the Retri another midslot - very few people fly AFs for PVE.
Scatim Helicon GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 40	Posted - 2011.10.06 10:21:00 - [17] - Quote The 4th bonus would be nice, but what it really needs is a role. "Fat tanky frigate which is too slow to actually do anything you'd want a frigate to do (Minmatar excepted)" isn't really cutting it.
Smoking Blunts Zebra Corp BricK sQuAD. 66	Posted - 2011.10.06 10:25:00 - [18] - Quote they shoudl all have at least 2 mid slots, you know which one im talking about CCP-áare full of words and no action. We watch what they do and its nothing but false statements and lies.
Jennifer Starling Imperial Navy Forum Patrol 42	Posted - 2011.10.06 10:56:00 - [19] - Quote Karn Dulake wrote: Amarr needs it the most. They have no role. One of them has only one mid slot. and the other has tickle DPS. Agreed, one of the most obvious adjustments would be giving the Retribution another mid slot so it's a lot more useful. Well what are we talking about, re-balancing among each other (like a lot of t1 ships could use as well) or rebalancing compared to other ships like the Dramiel or Daredevil and other ships that can more or less fulfil the same role?
Tethys Atreides The Audacity of Huge 54	Posted - 2011.10.06 11:01:00 - [20] - Quote Karn Dulake wrote: Amarr needs it the most. They have no role. One of them has only one mid slot. and the other has tickle DPS. This. But, in answer to the original question: Yes, they all do.
Tusko Hopkins HUN Corp. HUN Reloaded 0	Posted - 2011.10.06 11:04:00 - [21] - Quote Jennifer Starling wrote: Well what are we talking about, re-balancing among each other (like a lot of t1 ships could use as well) or rebalancing compared to other ships like the Dramiel or Daredevil and other ships that can more or less fulfil the same role? Rebalancing assault frigs in general. While it's great that CCP finally got to restart balancing ships, I was surprised to see assault ships explicitly noted there. If I had to name a sub capital ship class that needs balancing the most, it would not have been the assault frig. It's also possible that this was a specific example but they are indeed looking into balancing everything else as well.
Lord Helghast Intergalactic Syndicate Nulli Secunda 35	Posted - 2011.10.06 12:03:00 - [22] - Quote The fact that people pick Slicers and Dramiels and DareDevils over T2 ASSAULT SHIPS, is why assault ships are BROKEN... Faction variants are supposed to be in special cases better, but the fact is a t2 ship is always supposed to be better than the faction variations. As it stands the reason no one flys AFs is they are broken, COMPLETELY, there supposed to be t2 monster frigates that can chew through enemys.... As it stands faction ships have the dps and speed, interceptors have speed... and assault frigates have nothing, there basically just slightly bumped up t1 versions and some of them not even that.
Tallian Saotome Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension 75	Posted - 2011.10.06 12:12:00 - [23] - Quote AFs should essentially BE bumped up versions of T1 ships... Where the other T2 frigs are sooperspecial expert use systems(advanced tacklers, advanced ewar, advanced.. uh... bombing) AFs are supposed to fill the same generalist roles a T1 frigate does, but much better. Kinda hard to balance that without making the specialist ships obsolete o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/`
Silet'kaa Republic Militia Corp of Privateers 0	Posted - 2011.10.06 12:17:00 - [24] - Quote Tallian Saotome wrote: AFs should essentially BE bumped up versions of T1 ships... Where the other T2 frigs are sooperspecial expert use systems(advanced tacklers, advanced ewar, advanced.. uh... bombing) AFs are supposed to fill the same generalist roles a T1 frigate does, but much better. Kinda hard to balance that without making the specialist ships obsolete If they're supposed to be souped up generalist frigs, why not make their 4th bonus be them being T3 Frigs? I can't think of any other way to make them more generalist and souped up than that.
Dorian Wylde Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 19	Posted - 2011.10.06 12:22:00 - [25] - Quote 4th bonus is definitely needed, otherwise they really just need a pass. A sweep of the module layouts, and such. Should not be a major overhaul by any means.
Tallian Saotome Nuclear Arms Exchange Fatal Ascension 75	Posted - 2011.10.06 12:27:00 - [26] - Quote Silet'kaa wrote: Tallian Saotome wrote: AFs should essentially BE bumped up versions of T1 ships... Where the other T2 frigs are sooperspecial expert use systems(advanced tacklers, advanced ewar, advanced.. uh... bombing) AFs are supposed to fill the same generalist roles a T1 frigate does, but much better. Kinda hard to balance that without making the specialist ships obsolete If they're supposed to be souped up generalist frigs, why not make their 4th bonus be them being T3 Frigs? I can't think of any other way to make them more generalist and souped up than that. That would knock out 2 birds with one stone... no more Fix AF whiners, and no more where are the T3 frigs whiners. I like it! o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist.. KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/`
Alxea U-208 Bacon Fortress Gaming Syndicate 30	Posted - 2011.10.06 12:46:00 - [27] - Quote Tusko Hopkins wrote: First of all, I welcome the new dev blog by CCP Zulu. It's great and the promises to actively fix a lot of broken game mechanics and content are superb, I really hope CCP keeps up on its promise to deliver. There was one bullet point in the planned changes for the winter expansion that raised my eyebrows a little and it was the one about assault ships. I was wondering: do they really need to be changed? Alright, they are not the most potent ships in EVE but in their own class (frigs) they are doing kind of okay. The key problem with them is most people are flying larger ships assault frigs cannot easily kill... and maybe they are a bit slow. But I still think they are kinda okay, especially when compared to other completely neglected classes like the ew frigs, tier 1 battlecruisers or black ops. They are missing a 4th bonus like every other T2 ship has but them. Pirate faction boats have 3 bonuses. AF's are not pirate faction but are T2. Makes no sense and this is what they are going to fix. Just debating on what bonuses to give them. I think they need a DPS or tank bonus because they are just too fragile compared with crusiers. 10k EHP is not a lot when a T1 crusier can get 30 to +100k ehp. Maller! AF's should assault things not insta pop to a arty BS.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative. 441	Posted - 2011.10.06 12:47:00 - [28] - Quote Silet'kaa wrote: Tallian Saotome wrote: AFs should essentially BE bumped up versions of T1 ships... Where the other T2 frigs are sooperspecial expert use systems(advanced tacklers, advanced ewar, advanced.. uh... bombing) AFs are supposed to fill the same generalist roles a T1 frigate does, but much better. Kinda hard to balance that without making the specialist ships obsolete If they're supposed to be souped up generalist frigs, why not make their 4th bonus be them being T3 Frigs? I can't think of any other way to make them more generalist and souped up than that. I see what you did there Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players. Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Alxea U-208 Bacon Fortress Gaming Syndicate 30	Posted - 2011.10.06 12:54:00 - [29] - Quote Silet'kaa wrote: Tallian Saotome wrote: AFs should essentially BE bumped up versions of T1 ships... Where the other T2 frigs are sooperspecial expert use systems(advanced tacklers, advanced ewar, advanced.. uh... bombing) AFs are supposed to fill the same generalist roles a T1 frigate does, but much better. Kinda hard to balance that without making the specialist ships obsolete If they're supposed to be souped up generalist frigs, why not make their 4th bonus be them being T3 Frigs? I can't think of any other way to make them more generalist and souped up than that. T3 frigates would have near 10 bonuses just like T3 crusiers depending on subs used.
Spurty V0LTA VOLTA Corp 26	Posted - 2011.10.06 13:01:00 - [30] - Quote 4th bonus 20% speed increase per level to after burner Across all afs even noob ships have better slot layout Oh and make fitting MSE unique to this frigate class All others SSE at best This role is Supposed to be in harms way. That is it's role! Interceptors have speed and sig radius Pirate faction are supposed to snub their noses at typical roles, so leeway here is fine. ---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off.

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