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Lord Razpataz
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
453
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Posted - 2016.11.17 18:29:48 -
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IChooseYou wrote:These guys are in the same boat as Vendetta Mercenary Group (take a look at their war history, which matches with VMG). They do not honour their contracts. First of all your not our client, and never have been... don't drag us into this. 
And I would like to see your proof that we (devils) do not honor our contracts please.. |

Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
19110
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Posted - 2016.11.17 18:31:22 -
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Prove it here or shut the hell up.
[S]A link to some smack about vgm has exactly 0 bearing on us.[\s] K that link is to a Reddit thread linking to a post here, Mate, go home .
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IChooseYou
Tradors'R'us
77
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Posted - 2016.11.17 18:38:19 -
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VMG has admitted to breaking their protection contract with me, both by mail and on their forum thread. You guys initiated your war against my corp 24 hours after VMG did. You are a coalition and all work together. Obviously I was wrong to trust you.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
19110
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Posted - 2016.11.17 18:42:38 -
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IChooseYou wrote:You are a coalition and all work together. You are mistaken. Where did you get the impression we were a coalition ?
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Clara Barcelo
100mn Snooze
7
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Posted - 2016.11.17 19:20:31 -
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DWA and VMG are not a coalition.
VMG is blue with Public-Enemy and few other merc groups but not DWA |

Mobadder Thworst
The Eviction Mandate Eviction Imminent
1009
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Posted - 2016.11.17 19:37:46 -
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IChooseYou wrote:VMG has admitted to breaking their protection contract with me, both by mail and on their forum thread. You guys initiated your war against my corp 24 hours after VMG did. You are a coalition and all work together. Obviously I was wrong to trust you.
We need proof. This can be reviewed by the esteemed court of C&P, but you need appropriate evidence to support your claims.
While the court blindly seeks justice, the injustice of libelous posts is not lost on us.
Slanderous activity in C&P, unsupported by evidence, can result in a "call to justice" in which all law-abiding members of the C&P are asked to declare war (neighborhood watch, except with war declarations and lots of giggling) on the scofflaw/montebank/twicer who has chosen to thumb-his-nose at all-that-is-good.
Please support your assertions so we may properly review and pass judgement.
Official investigator of the C&P Court, Mo |

IChooseYou
Tradors'R'us
78
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Posted - 2016.11.17 19:45:34 -
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I am not looking to make unwanted enemies, but you guys war dec'ed me at the same time as other VMG alt corps. The fact that VMG had a contact with me and the fact that they broke that contract has been admitted by them. If you want to distance yourself from VMG, avoid participating in the war that they initiated at the same time as you. Maybe even consider taking me under contract and defending against VMG - but I doubt that is an option for you.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
19111
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Posted - 2016.11.17 20:41:58 -
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IChooseYou wrote:I am not looking to make unwanted enemies, Well then this was an ill convinced use of your time then wasn't it.
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
2564
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Posted - 2016.11.17 20:56:33 -
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Eh?
I was told to remove my signature, so I have.
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Toxic Yaken
The Dickwad Squad Legio De Mortem
102
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Posted - 2016.11.17 21:16:48 -
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IChooseYou wrote:I am not looking to make unwanted enemies, but you guys war dec'ed me at the same time as other VMG alt corps. The fact that VMG had a contract with me and the fact that they broke that contract has been admitted by them. If you want to distance yourself from VMG, avoid participating in the war that they initiated at the same time as you. Maybe even consider taking me under contract and defending against VMG - but I doubt that is an option for you.
"You guys can't be trusted for reasons, also please help me."

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Mobadder Thworst
The Eviction Mandate Eviction Imminent
1009
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Posted - 2016.11.17 21:40:07 -
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IChooseYou wrote:I am not looking to make unwanted enemies, but you guys war dec'ed me at the same time as other VMG alt corps. The fact that VMG had a contract with me and the fact that they broke that contract has been admitted by them. If you want to distance yourself from VMG, avoid participating in the war that they initiated at the same time as you. Maybe even consider taking me under contract and defending against VMG - but I doubt that is an option for you.
You accused one of the oldest and most respected merc corps in the game of failing to honor contracts. Reading this far, it seems unbased.
You better have proof or you may make more enemies than you intended... these kind of posts cost merc corps contracts. You may have already damaged Devils for billions in contracts lost. If you did so wrongfully, they will demand reparations.
Many other mercs are sympathetic to this kind of thing.
I suspect you are going to feel some pain making this right. |

Leto Thule
Everywhere and Terrible
4283
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Posted - 2016.11.17 21:46:02 -
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IChooseYou wrote:I am not looking to make unwanted enemies, but you guys war dec'ed me at the same time as other VMG alt corps. The fact that VMG had a contract with me and the fact that they broke that contract has been admitted by them. If you want to distance yourself from VMG, avoid participating in the war that they initiated at the same time as you. Maybe even consider taking me under contract and defending against VMG - but I doubt that is an option for you.
I have determined that this was written by none other than the nefarious Nitshe. I'm still working out if you are an alt or just one of his low minions.
More to follow.
Long live the Inquisition.
Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
19119
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Posted - 2016.11.17 21:57:26 -
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Leto Thule wrote:
Long live the Inquisition.
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Moon Moon Burdy
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
220
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Posted - 2016.11.18 03:32:52 -
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I do love a good court session. Also, hi! I'm back... sorta.
Things that went boom
Storytime with Moon Moon New stories semi frequently-ish!
Promising Young Murderer, Education Appreciated.
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IChooseYou
Tradors'R'us
78
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Posted - 2016.11.18 03:45:57 -
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Court is always exciting.
Here is a chat log with your CEO admitting that you are allied with VMG. He's a cool dude and I respect him, but it doesn't change the fact that your organization which depends on trust is supporting allies who are the exact opposite of trustworthy. You have a chance to distance yourselves, but I suspect that will never happen.
http://prntscr.com/d8pkmr
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Leto Thule
Everywhere and Terrible
4286
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Posted - 2016.11.18 03:55:48 -
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IChooseYou wrote:Court is always exciting. Here is a chat log with your CEO admitting that you are allied with VMG. He's a cool dude and I respect him, but it doesn't change the fact that your organization which depends on trust is supporting allies who are the exact opposite of trustworthy. You have a chance to distance yourselves, but I suspect that will never happen. http://prntscr.com/d8pkmr
Sigh.
Admission of obviously doctored chat logs into evidence?
This doesn't look well. I formally request the indictment of this heinous minion of Nitshe.
Thunderdome ringmaster, Community Leader and Lord Inquisitor to the Court of Crime and Punishment
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
4577
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Posted - 2016.11.18 04:19:08 -
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Distancing themselves from VMG would be an objectively bad idea. The alternative to being at least non-aggressive with VMG is basically perpetual war with VMG, which is bad for business for both them and VMG.
The optimal condition for making profit is for all the dedicated mercs to be mutually blue. |

renwahh
Wiking Brigade The Devil's Warrior Alliance
54
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Posted - 2016.11.18 06:00:38 -
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IChooseYou wrote:Court is always exciting. Here is a chat log with your CEO admitting that you are allied with VMG. He's a cool dude and I respect him, but it doesn't change the fact that your organization which depends on trust is supporting allies who are the exact opposite of trustworthy. You have a chance to distance yourselves, but I suspect that will never happen. http://prntscr.com/d8pkmr
There is nothing within the wall of text indicating we sided with VMG. We have a contract and we will honor our contract. Just because from what it looks like what happened was an administration error on VMG's part doesnt mean to say the Devils have Anything to do with what is happening to you. What it does look like is you flaming VMG then trying to use us to get more contracts by trying to get ua to post shite about them.but you didnt check your facts and realised were at war with you too.
So to be honest and I am being honest, your barking up the wrong tree and fing in the wrong persons party.
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Lord Razpataz
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
454
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Posted - 2016.11.18 11:44:35 -
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IChooseYou wrote:Court is always exciting. Here is a chat log with your CEO admitting that you are allied with VMG. He's a cool dude and I respect him, but it doesn't change the fact that your organization which depends on trust is supporting allies who are the exact opposite of trustworthy. You have a chance to distance yourselves, but I suspect that will never happen. http://prntscr.com/d8pkmr
Have it ever crossed your mind that this might be a contract for us? And if we distance us we break said contract... Are you really asking us to **** over a client just because you had a bad experience with another merc entity?
Devils keep their word.
Case closed.
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Starrakatt
Celtic Anarchy Complaints Department
613
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Posted - 2016.11.18 12:14:04 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:The optimal condition for making profit is for all the dedicated mercs to be mutually blue. Truth.
The idea, however, of a permanent merc blue donut disgusts me.
Sneaky bastard.
Complaints Department is recruiting!
We got wardecced, ohnoes!
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Sister Sloppy-Third Consanguinea
Mercenary Guilds Survey Board of Inquiry and Soap.
15
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Posted - 2016.11.18 13:22:09 -
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The Devil's Warrior mercs are and old and esteemed organisation, and as far I can discern, trustworthy.
As with any mercs, if they are paid for a contract, they may end up working with other long standings red-then-neutral-then-red-etc (for example, PIRAT) other mercs. They don't need to like them or be blue to work on a common goal. Temporary Blue status is a thing, until a job is done.
Starrakatt wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:The optimal condition for making profit is for all the dedicated mercs to be mutually blue. Truth. The idea, however, of a permanent merc blue donut disgusts me. As Hisec mercenary state stands now, the VMG/Public Enemy/PIRAT/Wrecking Machine/ISH-STARS coalition makes any involvement in Citadel takedown off-limits if they are against it. The opposition they had with the ATYPE-P.45-Clown Shoe Crew coalition disapeared after ATYPE active player base left or stopped playing.
It should also be noted that the only time what I will call the 'VMG Coalition' couldn't succeed in taking down a Citadel is when Nulsec or Lowsec entities like PL or MC came in Hisec, stamped their foot down and said NO, as they couldn't/wouldn't compete with their numbers (and their alpha doctrine threeshold).
That being said, like it was stated earlier, trust cannot be bought, and this drama will probably reduce VMG income, as some clients may reconsider that trust.
If I may make an observation: If (obviously) a defense contract cannot be trusted, as mercs seems wont to be bought off by higher bidders, then all defense contracts become suspect, considering that clients would just have to outbid each other to see changes of allegiance. Then what is the point of paying enormous monthly protection fee? Just contact a merc when you get a dec, and save ISK. |

Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
2564
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Posted - 2016.11.18 15:56:56 -
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Mewling, tinfoil-clad shitter alert.
Show me one instance where a Devil contract hasn't been honoured.
I was told to remove my signature, so I have.
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IChooseYou
Tradors'R'us
78
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Posted - 2016.11.18 16:02:41 -
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Lord Razpataz wrote:IChooseYou wrote:Court is always exciting. Here is a chat log with your CEO admitting that you are allied with VMG. He's a cool dude and I respect him, but it doesn't change the fact that your organization which depends on trust is supporting allies who are the exact opposite of trustworthy. You have a chance to distance yourselves, but I suspect that will never happen. http://prntscr.com/d8pkmr Have it ever crossed your mind that this might be a contract for us? And if we distance us we break said contract... Are you really asking us to **** over a client just because you had a bad experience with another merc entity? Devils keep their word.Case closed.
Fair enough. To be completely honest though, I think that VMG has given you all a worse reputation. Who knows, maybe you will be able to spin it to your advantage!
Cheers guys.
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Djayzere
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2016.11.18 16:25:58 -
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IChooseYou wrote:Lord Razpataz wrote:IChooseYou wrote:Court is always exciting. Here is a chat log with your CEO admitting that you are allied with VMG. He's a cool dude and I respect him, but it doesn't change the fact that your organization which depends on trust is supporting allies who are the exact opposite of trustworthy. You have a chance to distance yourselves, but I suspect that will never happen. http://prntscr.com/d8pkmr Have it ever crossed your mind that this might be a contract for us? And if we distance us we break said contract... Are you really asking us to **** over a client just because you had a bad experience with another merc entity? Devils keep their word.Case closed. Fair enough. To be completely honest though, I think that VMG has given you all a worse reputation. Who knows, maybe you will be able to spin it to your advantage! Cheers guys.
VMG hasn't mentioned Devils in any posts, you brought Devils into this by implying they were in cahoots with VMG in your sad attempts to leak tears all over the forums & reddit.
You may have cost Devils potential contracts through your poor judgement and slander towards their reputation, as their honour means everything. |

Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
1211
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Posted - 2016.11.18 16:40:17 -
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Djayzere wrote:You may have cost Devils potential contracts through your poor judgement and slander towards their reputation, as their honour means everything. Nah. Devils' rep is rock-solid. One cry-baby spilling enough tears to fill Lake Baikal isn't going to change that. |

Sere O'Asis
Summer Evenings and Autumn Skies
120
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Posted - 2016.11.18 17:02:46 -
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IChooseYou wrote:Court is always exciting. Here is a chat log with your CEO admitting that you are allied with VMG. He's a cool dude and I respect him, but it doesn't change the fact that your organization which depends on trust is supporting allies who are the exact opposite of trustworthy. You have a chance to distance yourselves, but I suspect that will never happen. http://prntscr.com/d8pkmr
IChooseYou,
after careful reading of the chat log posted, my interpretation of the conversation is as follows:
1. You contacted the DWA without realizing their organization was at war with you. This is your error.
2. Lord Razpataz talked with you, knowing full well DWA was at war with you. In addition, he listened to your words, asked some pertinent questions, and avoided answering questions put to him that may have given you an advantage in the conversation.
3. Lord Razpataz did, indeed, have some fun at your expense. (Most people would in this circumstance. Seriously, trying to hire mercs who are at war with you, when you are obviously oblivious to that fact, is funny.)
But,
4. While you may have drawn the conclusion the DWA is in cahoots with VMG from this conversation, an objective reading of the chat does not support your conclusion.
To sum up, the "evidence" you've supplied, i.e. the chat log? Is insufficient in and of itself to support your contention DWA and VMA are acting in concert.
Without further "proof", you've libeled DWA. |

Callimae
Wiking Brigade The Devil's Warrior Alliance
20
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Posted - 2016.11.18 17:50:11 -
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Sere O'Asis wrote:IChooseYou wrote:Court is always exciting. Here is a chat log with your CEO admitting that you are allied with VMG. He's a cool dude and I respect him, but it doesn't change the fact that your organization which depends on trust is supporting allies who are the exact opposite of trustworthy. You have a chance to distance yourselves, but I suspect that will never happen. http://prntscr.com/d8pkmr IChooseYou, after careful reading of the chat log posted, my interpretation of the conversation is as follows: 1. You contacted the DWA without realizing their organization was at war with you. This is your error. 2. Lord Razpataz talked with you, knowing full well DWA was at war with you. In addition, he listened to your words, asked some pertinent questions, and avoided answering questions put to him that may have given you an advantage in the conversation. 3. Lord Razpataz did, indeed, have some fun at your expense. (Most people would in this circumstance. Seriously, trying to hire mercs who are at war with you, when you are obviously oblivious to that fact, is funny.) But, 4. While you may have drawn the conclusion the DWA is in cahoots with VMG from this conversation, an objective reading of the chat does not support your conclusion. To sum up, the "evidence" you've supplied, i.e. the chat log? Is insufficient in and of itself to support your contention DWA and VMA are acting in concert. Without further "proof", you've libeled DWA.
Dyam girl that speech got me so heated im gonna have to get the toy phobos out of my hangar drawer and get all messed up on it
Oh aahhmm err thinking out loud again woopsee
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Mobadder Thworst
The Eviction Mandate Eviction Imminent
1011
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Posted - 2016.11.18 17:54:04 -
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In the absence of Judge Noragen, I call on the Inquisitor Leto Thule to hear this case.
All rise for his entrance. Evidence submissions by both parties are above supplied.
We are here to seek whether DWA did, in fact, commit the crimes in question or whether they were damaged by false accusations.
Actions, upon a guilty verdict, will be in accordance with Leto's honorable judgement and established precedence within the court.
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
2570
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Posted - 2016.11.18 18:21:27 -
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IChooseYou wrote:
Fair enough. To be completely honest though, I think that VMG has given you all a worse reputation. Who knows, maybe you will be able to spin it to your advantage!
Cheers guys.
Anna, pls.
I was told to remove my signature, so I have.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
19126
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Posted - 2016.11.18 18:23:54 -
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Mortlake wrote:IChooseYou wrote:
Fair enough. To be completely honest though, I think that VMG has given you all a worse reputation. Who knows, maybe you will be able to spin it to your advantage!
Cheers guys.
Anna, pls. You arse, now that's stuck in my head.
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