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lolfesterbling
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.05 16:48:00 -
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Verity Sovereign wrote:
From what I can see, nobody has paid him, they have ganked him... enabling the fleet to run for a few more sites, but that doesn't mean that this is not a BS griefing tactic.
For the record i have made over 3 bil total with this and other similiar activites. IE.. preloading sites and ninjalooting
As for people paying for sites i have made 20 mil . not including the items dropped from the ganking ships |
Mistah Ewedynao
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
338
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Posted - 2013.01.05 16:52:00 -
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lolfesterbling wrote:Verity Sovereign wrote:
From what I can see, nobody has paid him, they have ganked him... enabling the fleet to run for a few more sites, but that doesn't mean that this is not a BS griefing tactic.
For the record i have made over 3 bil total with this and other similiar activites. IE.. preloading sites and ninjalooting As for people paying for sites i have made 20 mil . not including the items dropped from the ganking ships
LOL...can we have a shopped screenie of your wallet to prove this.
What happened, you get tired of spamming scams in Jita? Nerf Goons
Nuke em from orbit....it's tthe only way to be sure. |
Orwyyn Darsha
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.01.05 17:03:00 -
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Not sure why some of you are wasting your breath on extremely obvious trolls. Just state your problem, have a few people speak up and say the same thing, CCP will fix your problem.
CCP will fix this, there is no doubt. |
lolfesterbling
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.05 20:42:00 -
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Mistah Ewedynao wrote:lolfesterbling wrote:Verity Sovereign wrote:
From what I can see, nobody has paid him, they have ganked him... enabling the fleet to run for a few more sites, but that doesn't mean that this is not a BS griefing tactic.
For the record i have made over 3 bil total with this and other similiar activites. IE.. preloading sites and ninjalooting As for people paying for sites i have made 20 mil . not including the items dropped from the ganking ships LOL...can we have a shopped screenie of your wallet to prove this. What happened, you get tired of spamming scams in Jita?
And further on that point By holding the site open longer i was able to let a site with a battleship wreck despawn when it was to my advangtage and got 3 x rf gyros gista a-type thermic pith a-type em and a shadow serp 100mn microwarp. Along with the ammo.
Best so far was 2 months ago when 15 ships went boom got a officer web on that one |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
555
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Posted - 2013.01.05 22:51:00 -
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lolfesterbling wrote:i have made 20 mil
As expected - thread doesn't worth attention. Except for GM who made obvious mistake thinking this activity is profitable thus isn't pure griefing. |
goldiiee
Superior Ratio High Sec Dropouts
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Posted - 2013.01.05 23:08:00 -
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Well Festerbling you have certaintly got them incursion runners on the run. :D All of EVE is happy for you as you have obviously won EVE-Online you can now go and torment some other MMO, hope to see letters from you telling all of us how you have beaten those games as well. Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced-á (But-áI still try..) |
Verity Sovereign
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
350
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Posted - 2013.01.06 01:27:00 -
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lolfesterbling wrote:Mistah Ewedynao wrote:lolfesterbling wrote:Verity Sovereign wrote:
From what I can see, nobody has paid him, they have ganked him... enabling the fleet to run for a few more sites, but that doesn't mean that this is not a BS griefing tactic.
For the record i have made over 3 bil total with this and other similiar activites. IE.. preloading sites and ninjalooting As for people paying for sites i have made 20 mil . not including the items dropped from the ganking ships LOL...can we have a shopped screenie of your wallet to prove this. What happened, you get tired of spamming scams in Jita? And further on that point By holding the site open longer i was able to let a site with a battleship wreck despawn when it was to my advangtage and got 3 x rf gyros gista a-type thermic pith a-type em and a shadow serp 100mn microwarp. Along with the ammo. Best so far was 2 months ago when 15 ships went boom got a officer web on that one
Pre-loading sites... meh, not a big deal
Ninja-looting - props to you, I respect this and have no objections. One can make 3 billion in one site looting momship kills if one is lucky and a shadow bomber BPC drops, or more commonly a nightmare BPC and some snasha faction mods. Pre-loading to try and get some ships killed so you can loot their stuff is fine by me.
Its this shutting down all incursion sites in a system that is complete BS.... and you've made all of 20 million? You're clearly not doing it for the profit, but to cause grief.
And it is BS, because there is no viable defense against it, unlike preloaded sites, or ninja looting (ie, don't get your ship blown up, and have people right on the momship before it dies, control when it dies by getting it to a tiny sliver of health, and then doing a fleet alpha strike, if that fails, try t shoot the looter when he turns flashy)
It entails no risk It entails no investment of in-game resources (surely, you did invest some of your time) It has no counter
Kudos to you for finding a new way to grief, but CCP should clearly fix this broken mechanic, this is clearly an exploit, and if CCP hands out some punishment to you, well, I wouldn't complain. |
Vengeance Thirst
Sons Of Decebal
5
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Posted - 2013.01.06 03:28:00 -
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lolfesterbling wrote:Verity Sovereign wrote:
From what I can see, nobody has paid him, they have ganked him... enabling the fleet to run for a few more sites, but that doesn't mean that this is not a BS griefing tactic.
For the record i have made over 3 bil total with this and other similiar activites. IE.. preloading sites and ninjalooting As for people paying for sites i have made 20 mil . not including the items dropped from the ganking ships
So what you're saying is that you make allot more having incursions running working as intended than keeping them open. Meaning you are keeping them open for 2 reasons:
A) You do it for grief and/or B) You're a pore busyness man.
Still no real response from CCP.... |
Yimodo
Emphebion Emperium
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Posted - 2013.01.06 07:02:00 -
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Now I know, this guy reminds me of James 315 that is bumbing miners out of belt and lets them pay to mine in "his" systems. This guy is doing about the same.
But he got payed 20 mil untill now that means, 2 people payed him to get a site open. That isnt alot. I'm pretty happy with that, because as long as he gets paid he will stay because he can make more ISK. ISN - Incursion Shiny Network -á-á -á Public channel: ISN Secondary |
ORCACommander
Obsidian Firelance Technologies
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Posted - 2013.01.06 19:26:00 -
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Get this clasified as an Exploit and have it fixed CCP. This affects your bottom line as it is reducing demand for plexes. |
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Solomunio Kzenig
East Khanid Trading Khanid Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.01.06 19:36:00 -
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Batelle wrote:sure, you can suicide his ship, and it only takes a day to train an alt to do so, but he could just as easily be holding those sites open in brick-tanked prophecies. With this strategy a handful of people could eliminate hisec incursions indefinitely.
Anyone saying this can be realistically countered has taken HTFU a bit too literally, with plenty of incursion-runner-disdain thrown in.
This pretty much. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
383
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Posted - 2013.01.06 20:00:00 -
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Tauranon wrote:Vengeance Thirst wrote:Hi
We recently has a guy black mailing us for isk by using 4 alts to keep incursion sites open in high sec stopin other sites to respawn.
I wouls like to know how is this not a exploit.
(Faild copy paste)
I would like to know how it its not a exploit, seen the GM telling me as response to my petition that it its ok for him to do so.
I thought the use of game mechanics in any other way that what they are intended to is illegal. And yes he did private convo us and told us in local that we need to pay him or he will stay there blocking the respawns.
Thank you. Amongst 10 bears you don't have 3 with destroyer flying alts that can gank his alts
you try it.. he holds the site with more than one rookie ship and new character... kill one and the other is still there.. while you chase him down - his killed rookie flies back in with his concord funded rookie ship. If it was one character no problem. the guys have many accounts. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
383
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Posted - 2013.01.06 20:04:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:why WOULD it be an exploit?
duh... because it's uinintended abuse...
AHARM? really? is that you? Of all the people who are qualified to judge an exploit it's hilarious to think you would believe you are one. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
[IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG] |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
556
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Posted - 2013.01.06 21:53:00 -
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Checked TVP channel: no HQ fleet(s) during weekend due to this guy (just slowly running assault fleet because community doesn't like assaults). And it's not the first weekend like that afaik. Which means hundreds of pilots are out of business. Clearly CCP cannot realize what is good and bad for the game and players + also they cannot realize what is good and bad for their own wallet: most likely some people will unsubscribe if trend continue. Somehow clueless CCP stufff isn't news (monoclegeddon) but anyway could be nice if CCP's actually started to do their job to maintain the game's functionality in playable state and removed this 20mill worth "businessman" from the game along with his trial accounts.
Otherwise could be logical to return FW trillions to Goons who clearly acted withing game mechanics without breaking any rules - except common sense - just like in this case. Because if you want to ruin the game - I don't see any reason why it shouldn't be ruined for everyone instead of just couple communities. |
Vengeance Thirst
Sons Of Decebal
5
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Posted - 2013.01.07 11:10:00 -
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Stil no response from ccp....
Not even a ******** reply here like "we are looking into this matter" or "the logs don't show anything"....
The petition is open for a week + now and no real reply to it as why it is this considered fair play or what would be a valid tactic to approach this matter....
If this continues like this for another 15 days i'm gonna close 2 out of 3 accounts maybe all 3.
Not because i cant get the isk for the plexes in other ways but because CCP supports unfair game play and they'r GM's are not doing their jobs. Simple as that.
I'm starting to get the emo in me heating up.... |
Mexan Caderu
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.07 11:33:00 -
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If keeping HS sites open is a valid tactic, then recycling ganking alts when their sec status becomes too low should also be a valid tactic to counter it. |
Yimodo
Emphebion Emperium
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Posted - 2013.01.07 11:47:00 -
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Responce from the GM about my petition:
Greetings,
I am afraid that this falls within legitimate game play. If a player wants to spend his time locking down an incursion site, that is entirely up to him and we cannot interfere with that. We apologize for the inconvenience and hope you understand.
With regards, GM Banana EVE Online Customer Support Team ISN - Incursion Shiny Network -á-á -á Public channel: ISN Secondary |
Vengeance Thirst
Sons Of Decebal
5
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Posted - 2013.01.07 11:55:00 -
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Yimodo wrote:Responce from the GM about my petition:
Greetings,
I am afraid that this falls within legitimate game play. If a player wants to spend his time locking down an incursion site, that is entirely up to him and we cannot interfere with that. We apologize for the inconvenience and hope you understand.
With regards, GM Banana EVE Online Customer Support Team
That is a automatic response.
Just Ask them to escalate the petition to higher gm level. |
lolfesterbling
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.07 15:18:00 -
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*sings* The hills are alive with the sound of butthurt. |
Sir John Halsey
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Posted - 2013.01.07 15:22:00 -
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Mathrin wrote:What part of gank them are you having problems with. 2 kestrels could do the job I'm sure. Pod them out. Site despawns go to next site and repeat
Out of curiosity ... repeated killing of a char in a noob ship is not considered harassing? That guy can petition and get you banned for that ... isn't it?
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Pseudo Random
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.07 19:43:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:*snip* And there is no excuse for tears whatsoever with the new bounty system. 10 people making 100+ mil an hour cant be arsed to put out some bounties? Fuckin pathetic.
The **** is a bounty going to do? Go read the Retribution patch notes again before you make stupid suggestions. |
Mistah Ewedynao
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
338
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Posted - 2013.01.07 20:58:00 -
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lolfesterbling wrote:*sings* The hills are alive with the sound of butthurt.
And he proves he is just a griefer with this brilliant post.
Nerf Goons
Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure. |
Mexan Caderu
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
20
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Posted - 2013.01.08 06:27:00 -
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Sir John Halsey wrote:Mathrin wrote:What part of gank them are you having problems with. 2 kestrels could do the job I'm sure. Pod them out. Site despawns go to next site and repeat Out of curiosity ... repeated killing of a noob char in a noob ship is not considered harassing? That guy can petition and get you banned for that ... isn't it?
Nop, only time when is actionable is when done in certain noob systems (that won't get incursions from the sanshas anyway). All the rest are fair game
The problem with the gank is the ganking alts reach deep negative sec fairly quickly, in a few ganks. Low SP alts will fail to gank in the few secs window available before the NPC's spawn on grid to munch your ship (even before the alts can fire a shot). One could bypass this by making a new alt when the sec status goes too deep down, but that (however) is bannable (CCP: trololol ?!?). |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
247
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Posted - 2013.01.08 08:09:00 -
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Bad mechanic,clueless GM,s and some drama.
"it put ore down in can or it gets the hose again"
Leeloo Dallas Multipass - "Big bada boom"
http://i.imgur.com/1N37t.jpg |
Manco 0110
Not Those Guys
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Posted - 2013.01.08 13:27:00 -
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It's not griefing since he has a reasonable expectation of profit. It's not an exploit either. Deal with it and stop whining. This is eve. |
Herr Ronin
Resurrection Ninjas.
298
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Posted - 2013.01.08 13:36:00 -
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God, are will still talking about this?
This is soo last year.. |
goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
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Posted - 2013.01.08 14:04:00 -
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Manco 0110 wrote:It's not griefing since he has a reasonable expectation of profit. It's not an exploit either. Deal with it and stop whining. This is eve.
A 'reasonable expectation of profit' implies a 'risk of loss' there is no risk of loss here so the argument of profit as a Mechanic is not valid, with no expectation of loss the only motivation for doing this, is not to make profit but simply to sit in his underwear looking at a computer screen while glorifying himself in his rule over this domain. Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced-á (But-áI still try..) |
Sinq Arnolles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.01.08 14:45:00 -
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We did gank them but they just came back with a new noobship before the site had a chance to despawn. It's pretty silly some alts with zero skills can shut down a whole incursion systems sites. |
Juwi Kotch
KOTCH Construction and Anchoring
4
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Posted - 2013.01.08 15:29:00 -
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Griefing EVE-style. You can be sure that any game mechanic will be exploited to grief other players for as low costs as possible. It is redicilous, that CCP accepts that a whole system which once was a major expansion theme can just be made useless for literally no cost by some 10 year olds laughing their behinds off. But, well, that's EVE. |
DSpite Culhach
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
49
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Posted - 2013.01.08 17:42:00 -
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The main issue is "predictability", simply compounded by idiots.
Static DED zones were changed because a small subset of people was camping them non stop, and I have read stories of organized "mafia" years back that used to camp the entry of the big lucrative ones - , kill anyone that arrived, and farmed the zones 23/7, paying players to sit inside a rent fee to do so, and if they tried asking for more, they would kick them out and hire a new person.
Places in this game keep getting moved to "you have to do some work to get started" to stop these people, I'd say eventually with Incursions something similar will be done, the spwan locations will move around and camping them will be impossible.
Give it time.
Found that article: http://serpentinelogic.wordpress.com/2012/08/10/the-story-behind-afk-complex-farming/ |
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