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Indo Nira
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD Exhale.
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Posted - 2013.01.08 18:57:00 -
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i find it funny that incursion runners are crying about 10 mil. just freakin pay him and mind your business,..... how many people does an incursion fleet have? now divide the 10 mil by the number of people and you can stop crying |
Juwi Kotch
KOTCH Construction and Anchoring
4
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Posted - 2013.01.08 19:56:00 -
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Indo Nira wrote:i find it funny that incursion runners are crying about 10 mil. just freakin pay him and mind your business,..... how many people does an incursion fleet have? now divide the 10 mil by the number of people and you can stop crying I totally despise this mindset. But as the previous poster wrote, this will be changed sooner or later. I'm only wondering how long CCP always needs to stop such exploits and put exploiters back into place.
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goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
160
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Posted - 2013.01.08 21:07:00 -
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Indo Nira wrote:i find it funny that incursion runners are crying about 10 mil. just freakin pay him and mind your business,..... how many people does an incursion fleet have? now divide the 10 mil by the number of people and you can stop crying We have been kicking this corpse for a few weeks now, but what the hell lets try this for an example:
You have been playing the game for a year you can fly a BC very well, and have the war wounds to prove it, CCP does a Patch that allows noobs to hop in a Noob ship and roast your BC with ease. Would you then pay the noob to keep him from destroying your ship? and what guarantees do you have, other than his word, that he will not blow up your ship as soon as you pay him? As he has already proven he is less than trustworthy in his demands in the first place, are you really daft enough to trust him now?
Your advanced training and expierience are of no use against him and all you hear from the masses is 'PAY HIM'. 10 mil will in no way break the bank but give him a taste of food and I am sure he will want the whole dinner plate before he is done.
Please, don't pretend to know anything about this subject and then profess to have a solution without actually thinking about consequences beyone the instant reward. Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced-á (But-áI still try..) |
Mistah Ewedynao
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
340
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Posted - 2013.01.09 04:02:00 -
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Indo Nira wrote:I am L337 Null Sec Slave and I can't stand the fact that some of you can, as indivduals, join an ad hoc group and make some iskies in this game. I am stuck on this gate camp for another week!
There...much bettah. Nerf Goons
Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure. |
Samuel Wess
Happy Folks Happy Cartel
9
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Posted - 2013.01.09 04:12:00 -
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The only bad thing here is the ability to get a noob ship and undock every 5 seconds for free with a new character. I propose to make a 24 hour undock interdiction after geting poded :D this will solve it |
Mexan Caderu
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.09 06:48:00 -
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Indo Nira wrote:i find it funny that incursion runners are crying about 10 mil. just freakin pay him and mind your business,..... how many people does an incursion fleet have? now divide the 10 mil by the number of people and you can stop crying
Okay, how about I make myself some alt accs and do the same noob camping, however I will require a payment of 1 bil to stand down...and better yet...train them for a T1 mining barge with near battleship HP, tank it to the teeth and also put a plug to most ganking attempts.
Surely the incursion runners make way more isk than that when all the fleets are up and running, they should raise the money themselves in just 1 fleet in less than 30 mins since a site is 40 ppl x 30 mils = 1.2 bils, how is that not reasonable vs disbanding and not running sites for hours on end?
...the number of people that need to stop crying and mind their own business...only 1 bil...etc...etc... Oh...looky at all these isk, lemme make another batch of acc's and pretend I'm a different person, wee...the isk rolling in!
how's them apples ?
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Dzajic
85
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Posted - 2013.01.09 11:06:00 -
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You do know the whole "US government does not negotiate with terrorists" thing. Well its kinda like that. If Incursion groups started paying this guy... well everyone in eve has two free noob alts per account. You'd have every single site in every single incursions clogged with dozens of ibises every single one of them demanding their "meager" 10 mill to let the site despawn.
Can't happen, won't be allowed to happen. |
Sinq Arnolles
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.01.09 20:50:00 -
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New high sec incursion spawns.. HQ sites already blocked before the influence even gets below 95%. |
Cage Man
Evil Guinea Pigs
144
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Posted - 2013.01.09 21:10:00 -
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CCP should allow the war decking of pilots in a NPC corps. Or just do away with them all together. That will give you a way to deal with these type of things. Only other way is to keep rolling alts to keep ganking him.. OH wait.. you not supposed to do that. Sadly the HS sandbox is designed for bullies\griefers |
Slaveball Scumbucket
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2013.01.10 00:55:00 -
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NO MORE EVE ONLINE FOR ANYBODY UNTIL I AM PLEASED UP. Thanks CCP I always dreamed of being the game master and now i can be. |
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sureis
The Gold Club
0
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Posted - 2013.01.10 01:04:00 -
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Wait a minute... some noob character said if we give them 500 mils they will go away for the whole day. I want to give all the noobs 500 mills each every day. I am going back to hulm back to my roots with 4586238746 Biliion right nao. CCPs new ad ---> All first day characters have the free opportunity to prevent all highest level PVE play permanently. I'm gonna delete sureis and be a new noob right nao. Thanks for lettin me o/ |
Herr Ronin
Resurrection Ninjas.
298
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Posted - 2013.01.10 01:09:00 -
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sureis wrote:Wait a minute... some noob character said if we give them 500 mils they will go away for the whole day. I want to give all the noobs 500 mills each every day. I am going back to hulm back to my roots with 4586238746 Biliion right nao. CCPs new ad ---> All first day characters have the free opportunity to prevent all highest level PVE play permanently. I'm gonna delete sureis and be a new noob right nao. Thanks for lettin me o/
Can i haz your stuffz? ^^ |
Dex Sudaka
Galactic Accord Senate Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:35:00 -
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I don't see any DEV interested in this post; do they care? I need to know if I am to renew sub next month. How can it NOT be an exploit to use free ships, infinite supply of clones, concord sec rules and no isk to hold players from using a game feature. I never liked the idea of the free noobships anyways. That needs to be addressed.
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goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:45:00 -
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Dex Sudaka wrote:I don't see any DEV interested in this post; do they care? I need to know if I am to renew sub next month. How can it NOT be an exploit to use free ships, infinite supply of clones, concord sec rules and no isk to hold players from using a game feature. I never liked the idea of the free noobships anyways. That needs to be addressed.
+1
Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced-á (But-áI still try..) |
Rolstra
Moo's Mudpit
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:46:00 -
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goldiiee wrote:Dex Sudaka wrote:I don't see any DEV interested in this post; do they care? I need to know if I am to renew sub next month. How can it NOT be an exploit to use free ships, infinite supply of clones, concord sec rules and no isk to hold players from using a game feature. I never liked the idea of the free noobships anyways. That needs to be addressed.
+1 +2 |
Clutch G'oldman
High Sec Dropouts Holdings. High Sec Dropouts
0
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:46:00 -
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Rolstra wrote:goldiiee wrote:Dex Sudaka wrote:I don't see any DEV interested in this post; do they care? I need to know if I am to renew sub next month. How can it NOT be an exploit to use free ships, infinite supply of clones, concord sec rules and no isk to hold players from using a game feature. I never liked the idea of the free noobships anyways. That needs to be addressed.
+1 +2 +3
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Derath Ellecon
Washburne Holdings Situation: Normal
1035
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Posted - 2013.01.10 21:48:00 -
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Dex Sudaka wrote:I don't see any DEV interested in this post; do they care? I need to know if I am to renew sub next month. How can it NOT be an exploit to use free ships, infinite supply of clones, concord sec rules and no isk to hold players from using a game feature. I never liked the idea of the free noobships anyways. That needs to be addressed.
Maybe if you want a Dev to respond it would be better to post in one of the forums they watch more closely. There are many threads created on these forums so many may get missed. But forums such as "Issues and workarounds" I am sure are monitored far more closely.
In game petition also seems a more appropriate way to get their attention. |
amurder Hakomairos
Fellowship Of Lost Souls Rebel Alliance of New Eden
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Posted - 2013.01.11 00:45:00 -
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Derath Ellecon wrote:Dex Sudaka wrote:I don't see any DEV interested in this post; do they care? I need to know if I am to renew sub next month. How can it NOT be an exploit to use free ships, infinite supply of clones, concord sec rules and no isk to hold players from using a game feature. I never liked the idea of the free noobships anyways. That needs to be addressed.
Maybe if you want a Dev to respond it would be better to post in one of the forums they watch more closely. There are many threads created on these forums so many may get missed. But forums such as "Issues and workarounds" I am sure are monitored far more closely. In game petition also seems a more appropriate way to get their attention.
yeah i never see any devs in this forum at all |
Makre
Heodener
7
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Posted - 2013.01.11 04:36:00 -
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goldiiee wrote:Ember Klahan
A simple change would be to have the sites de-spawn or allow another to spawn when the fleet gets paid. DidnGÇÖt take very long to come up with that idea so I am sure I am not the first to think of it. As I donGÇÖt have any knowledge of the coding involved nor do I have an understanding of why they wouldnGÇÖt have incorporated it into the original coding in the first place, I can only assume that is used to manage the number of active sites up at any given time.
Currently Incursion sites donGÇÖt pay any fleet member in a Pod or a Noob ship so you would think the sites would also not be capable of being held by those same ship types, go figure. As the mechanic is being used by someone that wishes to invest nothing while extorting a sizeable sum, it makes for a perfect scam (Zero investment and no risk) My only surprise comes from it not happening sooner. I would say the site should only be held by a ship appropriate to the difficulty of the site but in reality if the sites were being held by a hero tanked Damnation it would just as effective as it being held by a Noob ship, Site spawn mechanics are the limiting factor here.
As ganking him seems to be the standard troll I feel compelled to point out that anyone with an alt unconcerned with sec status, has that alt parked in Nul or low with its own niche. And bringing it into high sec to gank noobs is an extreme waste of SP, akin to ganking miners for a pittance.
/This Honestly its rather clear that this is wrong.. not in the same way 12 vs 1 is "wrong". Its wrong in the way that uses poor game mechanics without recourse to grief other players. This solution for now might be ip and bans, but the better solution is what ember said just make them spawn else where regardless, or require bc or greater to hold. |
FunGu Arsten
Alpha Strategy The Unthinkables
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Posted - 2013.01.11 16:56:00 -
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Tim fromaccounting
Scorpius Federation
2
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Posted - 2013.01.11 17:02:00 -
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the way i see it, CCP made incursion sites to be done and not having 1 day old chars keeping sites open and keeping other people from doing the sites
but i guess the needs of the one outweigh the 700-1000 ppl in the incursion constellation (trying) to do the sites |
Vengeance Thirst
Sons Of Decebal
5
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Posted - 2013.01.11 17:08:00 -
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Due to a lack of response from ccp as of now I am holding 2 sites open in assault system.
I will be leaving when I will be payd 2 million isk per pilot in a assault fleet or when ccp aknowledge this action as Illegao or changes game mechanics so sites respawn when mission is completed.
O7 |
Charadrass
Angry Germans Again
19
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Posted - 2013.01.11 17:21:00 -
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since ganking isnt helping because they just warp out of the station in a brand new rookieship.
ccp do something. if you dont wanna have the pilots in incursions just kill them as content. |
Mindy Holar
Jitex Inc. Catastrophic Uprising
0
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Posted - 2013.01.11 17:28:00 -
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Until CCP fix this broken game mechanic, of letting one person's trial accounts dictate rules 16 and 23 of their TOS, I think I'll start plexing and stop paying them cash every month.
Better yet, kill all but one mom, and have everyone you hold all the sites open, VG, AS, and let douchy mcdouchstein keep HQs. That way nobody gets what they paid for, since manipulating the enjoyment of a few hundred paid subscribers and a thousand others by abusing trial accounts, restricting game content is perfectly reasonable to CCP.
I've heard it suggested that maybe the site blocker is a dev? I hear they hate carebears making isk more than the nullragers.
So I'll vote w/ my money, sub it for a plex, help break tos-rule 16 by ruining all incursions for everybody while abusing the **** out of trial accounts, breaking tos-rule23, because CCP thinks it's legitimate gameplay.
Anyone have any ideas what to do with my extra 16 bucks every month? |
Pavel Sohaj
Gisre Ind.
0
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Posted - 2013.01.11 17:35:00 -
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Wish i had that problem. For me this means probable reduction of my game accounts so thus also, I wont be paying my sub from the cash like last time I did.
I guess they dont need the real money, surely subs from the site-holder guy will make it up to them.
Sorry CCP while I have never really said a word against you, now I do. Letting this go on is really, really bad. |
Charadrass
Angry Germans Again
19
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Posted - 2013.01.11 17:35:00 -
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now theyre blocking assault sites too. nice ccp. doing nothing again.
maybe i should stop paying my 13 accounts. |
Johann Rascali
Crunchy Crunchy Peregrine Nation
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Posted - 2013.01.11 17:47:00 -
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Mindy Holar wrote:Until CCP fix this broken game mechanic, of letting one person's trial accounts dictate rules 16 and 23 of their TOS, I think I'll start plexing and stop paying them cash every month.
Better yet, kill all but one mom, make a bunch of trial accounts to hold all the sites open, VG, AS, and let douchy mcdouchstein keep HQs. That way nobody gets what they paid for, since manipulating the enjoyment of a few hundred paid subscribers and a thousand others by abusing trial accounts, restricting game content is perfectly reasonable to CCP.
I've heard it suggested that maybe the site blocker is a dev? I hear they hate carebears making isk more than the nullragers.
So I'll vote w/ my money, sub it for a plex, help break tos-rule 16 by ruining all incursions for everybody while abusing the **** out of trial accounts, breaking tos-rule23, because CCP thinks it's legitimate gameplay.
Anyone have any ideas what to do with my extra 16 bucks every month? Protip: CCP makes more money off whoever buys the PLEX to sell to you than they do if you pay monthly. They make even less if you buy extended subscriptions. |
Mittre Cobolas
Vengance Inc.
0
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Posted - 2013.01.11 17:51:00 -
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Both sides of the argument are valid however i think the point still stands.
If we look at this from the ganking perspective. i could make an alt that would be able to fly a destroyer and gank the noob ship. However this poses 2 problems First the site still takes 5 mins to despawn and by this time he could be back in the site holding it open.(if he has the alts medical station close by) Secondly CCP have stated that Making an account and trying to delete it with negative sec status is an Exploit and is bannable) My next point would be that If i did successfully gank him a couple of times my sec status would be so low that i would be killed myself by the faction police before i even got a chance to respond. Moving back to my earlier point if i then went to delete the character and make a new one to do the same thing i would be banned for exploitting a game mechanic
In all i feel this IS an exploit purely for the reason there is no sanctionable counter to it. like in null sec or even lowsec where you could pop the ship and not get concorded. if i want to do it here i have to pay CCP a ton of money for alts to just get to do the incursions i wanted to do in the first place. At least if ccp made it viable for us to kill him without getting concorded it may make it slightly more in line with the rest of the game mechanics.
Oh and on a side note if CCP won't open the isk making pottential again then they are going to find themselves losing players left right and center because they can't afford to fly the ships they want. |
Mindy Holar
Jitex Inc. Catastrophic Uprising
0
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Posted - 2013.01.11 18:07:00 -
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Johann Rascali wrote: Protip: CCP makes more money off whoever buys the PLEX to sell to you than they do if you pay monthly. They make even less if you buy extended subscriptions.
So buy from the guy selling a stack of them instead of the seller trying get rid of 1 or 2. In that case CCP got their money back when plex was 300 mill each. They don't need the money anymore, they have Dust to be their new cash cow... lol |
goldiiee
Tax and War Haven
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Posted - 2013.01.11 18:28:00 -
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amurder Hakomairos wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:Dex Sudaka wrote:I don't see any DEV interested in this post; do they care? I need to know if I am to renew sub next month. How can it NOT be an exploit to use free ships, infinite supply of clones, concord sec rules and no isk to hold players from using a game feature. I never liked the idea of the free noobships anyways. That needs to be addressed.
Maybe if you want a Dev to respond it would be better to post in one of the forums they watch more closely. There are many threads created on these forums so many may get missed. But forums such as "Issues and workarounds" I am sure are monitored far more closely. In game petition also seems a more appropriate way to get their attention. yeah i never see any devs in this forum at all So it is the opinion of the majority of posters in this forum that DEVGÇÖs (CCP) doesnGÇÖt read this forum or at least have taken no notice of this thread. I have also seen that the GMGÇÖs take no action on petitions concerning this, with the exception of automated responses: game mechanics, works as intended, get over it, and we donGÇÖt care.
So I am wondering if we should each start a thread with the same subject and give it a daily bump as per the forum rules.
anyone else think this might work? Reason and logic never wins over Stubborn and Convinced-á (But-áI still try..) |
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