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Alidar
The Mad Scientists BRABODEN
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Posted - 2011.10.09 06:58:00 -
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Brynhilda wrote:Alidar wrote:Brynhilda wrote:The main problem here is that your comparing EVE to Western Earth Modern Culture.
What part of EVE is Western Civilization? We have the most powerful faction in EVE being religious god-fearing men who still condone with slavery. A tribal group of former slaves. A nation that focuses entirely on profit and everyone being useful and whatever the Gallente are.
However, you are too ethnocentric to even begin to think that a world where Earth's Western Society does not exist would have the exact same rules as Earth's Western Society. the Gallente are a True democracy, whatever they mean by that, judging there still has yet to be one in the real world And they don't control the world of EVE. Even with Gallente as a true democracy, the rules of the world don't apply to EVE.
also a partial point i made earlier on part of the whole thing sadly it was someone else that did the full comparison syaing that it was like the real world :-P
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Brynhilda
Massive PVPness S I L E N T.
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Posted - 2011.10.09 06:58:00 -
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Alidar wrote:Brynhilda wrote:The main problem here is that your comparing EVE to Western Earth Modern Culture.
What part of EVE is Western Civilization? We have the most powerful faction in EVE being religious god-fearing men who still condone with slavery. A tribal group of former slaves. A nation that focuses entirely on profit and everyone being useful and whatever the Gallente are.
However, you are too ethnocentric to even begin to think that a world where Earth's Western Society does not exist would have the exact same rules as Earth's Western Society. actually all i'm stating is that pvpers act like paranoid dillusional psychotics working in a gun store, though i guess i really don't see even as much harm in that, but anyway i'm also saying that as a paying customer, which i am due to the outrageous shortage of isk for plex due to my exhumers being one shotted by bullies who have no one better to shoot, and as a paying customer i should have the choice whether or not to let a some coward with a gun to come in and shoot me point blank in my skull like some unsuspecting toddler
But you're not. You're a miner in space, mining ice to sell and to make a profit so you can buy more miners.
And anyone who is mining and had a brain would hear reports of miners getting attacked in ice belts in Gallente space would know that it might be a good time to dock up and pursue another occupation for the time being. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
474
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Posted - 2011.10.09 06:58:00 -
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BTW I know where you live and I'm going to haxx0r the local transport network and make you get a red light on the way to work.
Enjoy your reprimand for being 3 minutes late!
(Also I'm gonna bribe the guy at Macdonalds to put triple pickles in your burger . AAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!) Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.09 06:59:00 -
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Alidar wrote:
actually all i'm stating is that pvpers act like paranoid dillusional psychotics working in a gun store, though i guess i really don't see even as much harm in that, but anyway i'm also saying that as a paying customer, which i am due to the outrageous shortage of isk for plex due to my exhumers being one shotted by bullies who have no one better to shoot, and as a paying customer i should have the choice whether or not to let a some coward with a gun to come in and shoot me point blank in my skull like some unsuspecting toddler
The thing you need to realize right now is that you chose to be that toddler. |
Alidar
The Mad Scientists BRABODEN
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Posted - 2011.10.09 06:59:00 -
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Brynhilda wrote:Alidar wrote:Brynhilda wrote:The main problem here is that your comparing EVE to Western Earth Modern Culture.
What part of EVE is Western Civilization? We have the most powerful faction in EVE being religious god-fearing men who still condone with slavery. A tribal group of former slaves. A nation that focuses entirely on profit and everyone being useful and whatever the Gallente are.
However, you are too ethnocentric to even begin to think that a world where Earth's Western Society does not exist would have the exact same rules as Earth's Western Society. actually all i'm stating is that pvpers act like paranoid dillusional psychotics working in a gun store, though i guess i really don't see even as much harm in that, but anyway i'm also saying that as a paying customer, which i am due to the outrageous shortage of isk for plex due to my exhumers being one shotted by bullies who have no one better to shoot, and as a paying customer i should have the choice whether or not to let a some coward with a gun to come in and shoot me point blank in my skull like some unsuspecting toddler But you're not. You're a miner in space, mining ice to sell and to make a profit so you can buy more miners. And anyone who is mining and had a brain would hear reports of miners getting attacked in ice belts in Gallente space would know that it might be a good time to dock up and pursue another occupation for the time being.
sadly you are mistaken, i mine to afford the skills i need to be able to fly a titan |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.10.09 07:00:00 -
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Alidar wrote: also a partial point i made earlier on part of the whole thing sadly it was someone else that did the full comparison syaing that it was like the real world :-P
compared eve's mechanics to the real world, not its lore. |
Alidar
The Mad Scientists BRABODEN
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Posted - 2011.10.09 07:01:00 -
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Alidar wrote:Brynhilda wrote:Alidar wrote:Brynhilda wrote:The main problem here is that your comparing EVE to Western Earth Modern Culture.
What part of EVE is Western Civilization? We have the most powerful faction in EVE being religious god-fearing men who still condone with slavery. A tribal group of former slaves. A nation that focuses entirely on profit and everyone being useful and whatever the Gallente are.
However, you are too ethnocentric to even begin to think that a world where Earth's Western Society does not exist would have the exact same rules as Earth's Western Society. actually all i'm stating is that pvpers act like paranoid dillusional psychotics working in a gun store, though i guess i really don't see even as much harm in that, but anyway i'm also saying that as a paying customer, which i am due to the outrageous shortage of isk for plex due to my exhumers being one shotted by bullies who have no one better to shoot, and as a paying customer i should have the choice whether or not to let a some coward with a gun to come in and shoot me point blank in my skull like some unsuspecting toddler But you're not. You're a miner in space, mining ice to sell and to make a profit so you can buy more miners. And anyone who is mining and had a brain would hear reports of miners getting attacked in ice belts in Gallente space would know that it might be a good time to dock up and pursue another occupation for the time being. sadly you are mistaken, i mine to afford the skills i need to be able to fly a titan
with my ultimate goal of being able to fly every ship in the game
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Nth Ares
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.09 07:02:00 -
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Alidar wrote:Why do PvP'ers act like terrorists to others who dislike PvP?
it's unfair, childish, rude, and in reality crimially insane, is this a game or a terrorist training camp?
atleast let us set a PvP status, other games do it, and don't say that makes it less fun, what fun can come from picking on someone who doesn't wish to fight you, bullies the lot of you Pffft....
EVE was like this from the very beginning. As "carebears", WE are the ones stomping all over their PvP FFA Paradise. They act like that just because they can, and they are encouraged by the game mechanics.
Why do some people in real life become malicious hackers, thugs, or just bullies in general? It's just the dark side of human nature, don't take it personally. However I'd suggest this isn't a game for people with thin skins.
For even bringing up the subject you can expect to be trolled, taunted, and harrassed to no end. That's EVE for you. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.10.09 07:03:00 -
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Alidar wrote:actually all i'm stating is that pvpers act like paranoid dillusional psychotics GǪsays the guy who's being persecuted by people who do not know who he is; the guy who cannot distinguish between game and reality; the guy who wants people dead for having fun and playing according to the rules; the guy who quite clearly invents his own reality without even bothering to base it on well-known facts.
Yeah, no. The problem here isn't that others are acting like paranoid delusional psychotics GÇö it's that they don't act like you, which actually makes them rather normal compared to your paranoid and psychotic delusions.
Also, dammit, Malc, stop saying everything first! GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Alidar
The Mad Scientists BRABODEN
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Posted - 2011.10.09 07:04:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:BTW I know where you live and I'm going to haxx0r the local transport network and make you get a red light on the way to work. Enjoy your reprimand for being 3 minutes late! (Also I'm gonna bribe the guy at Macdonalds to put triple pickles in your burger . AAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!)
thanks I love Pickles, and i work from home, so no traffic tie ups, though i would love to see every streetlight in my City's business district all turn green at once, the carnage would be hillarious, also i walk eveywhere i ever need to go anyway, good for the cardiovascular system, i assume our pilots still have those by eve's time, well except the Jove may not, lol |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.10.09 07:07:00 -
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I want to thank CCP for the gift of not locking this thread yet. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Alidar
The Mad Scientists BRABODEN
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Posted - 2011.10.09 07:08:00 -
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Nth Ares wrote:Alidar wrote:Why do PvP'ers act like terrorists to others who dislike PvP?
it's unfair, childish, rude, and in reality crimially insane, is this a game or a terrorist training camp?
atleast let us set a PvP status, other games do it, and don't say that makes it less fun, what fun can come from picking on someone who doesn't wish to fight you, bullies the lot of you Pffft.... EVE was like this from the very beginning. As "carebears", WE are the ones stomping all over their PvP FFA Paradise. They act like that just because they can, and they are encouraged by the game mechanics. Why do some people in real life become malicious hackers, thugs, or just bullies in general? It's just the dark side of human nature, don't take it personally. However I'd suggest this isn't a game for people with thin skins. For even bringing up the subject you can expect to be trolled, taunted, and harrassed to no end. That's EVE for you.
actually i'm looking forward to it, i'm an attention Wh*re |
Alidar
The Mad Scientists BRABODEN
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Posted - 2011.10.09 07:16:00 -
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to slightly change subject, I play my character as a Caldari Who Defected to the Gallente Federation, Mostly because he Likes the Gallente's ships, clothes and for cheap giggles the men, anyone like that backstory? |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.10.09 07:23:00 -
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Alidar wrote:to slightly change subject, I play my character as a Caldari Who Defected to the Gallente Federation, Mostly because he Likes the Gallente's ships, clothes and for cheap giggles the men, anyone like that backstory?
Well played, good sir. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Zoe Alarhun
Drunken Space Irish
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Posted - 2011.10.09 07:34:00 -
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Posting to confirm that Osama told me to go out and violence boats. |
Anya Ohaya
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.10.09 07:37:00 -
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Alidar wrote:Why do PvP'ers act like terrorists to others who dislike PvP?
It's mostly just the forums, and the lol-PVP'ers you find outside the trade hubs. Go to low sec, and a lot of the players are OK guys. Less smack and more pew.
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.10.09 07:38:00 -
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Alidar wrote:luZk wrote:EVE does have two "I dont want to pvp buttons" fyi. One is called cloak and is installed on your ship, the other is called "dock" and is found in your overview in station systems. oh so i am just supposed to run and hide without the ability to do anything at all but sit their and twiddle my thumbs for hours just because some slackers who don't want to earn their isk honestly decide to crowd a system and one shot anyone they can, you people really should be locked up
an you should be playing something else or nothing at all if you think in game behavior is reason to incarcerate someone
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Shadowsword
The Rough Riders Ares Protectiva
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Posted - 2011.10.09 07:38:00 -
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Alidar wrote:[quote=Tippia]
your logic is flawed there you assume everyone wants all of that, also you assume that other pvpers won't have anyone to kill if people can turn it of when actually you could just go after eachother and leave alone those who don't like violence, you're all terrorists plain and simple and no better that Osama in my book, an look where that got him, you all deserve his fate, but unfortuantely it's not my duty to carry out
You seem awfully eager to dish out punishment for someone who doesn't like violence...
Let's assume for a second that you can become immune to pvp.
- Players would use their invulnerable alts to follow enemy fleets and keep tabs on what they do.
- Losses would be severely limited -> without much need to replace things, the economy would collapse -> players wouldn't be able to earn anything anymore + severe inflation.
- The whole sov warfare thing (which is sort of the heart of the game) would become meaningless if anyone could make his home in YOUR home.
There would also be a lot other side effects.
You need to think more. They are ways to live wihout fear of being ganked, but they require some amount of common sense. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
128
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Posted - 2011.10.09 07:39:00 -
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you have been hazed, deal with it plebs |
Alidar
The Mad Scientists BRABODEN
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Posted - 2011.10.09 08:06:00 -
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Kengutsi Akira wrote:Alidar wrote:luZk wrote:EVE does have two "I dont want to pvp buttons" fyi. One is called cloak and is installed on your ship, the other is called "dock" and is found in your overview in station systems. oh so i am just supposed to run and hide without the ability to do anything at all but sit their and twiddle my thumbs for hours just because some slackers who don't want to earn their isk honestly decide to crowd a system and one shot anyone they can, you people really should be locked up an you should be playing something else or nothing at all if you think in game behavior is reason to incarcerate someone
nah, maybe not incarcerate, less messy to just blow them out an airlock! |
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Alidar
The Mad Scientists BRABODEN
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Posted - 2011.10.09 08:10:00 -
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Shadowsword wrote:Alidar wrote:[quote=Tippia]
your logic is flawed there you assume everyone wants all of that, also you assume that other pvpers won't have anyone to kill if people can turn it of when actually you could just go after eachother and leave alone those who don't like violence, you're all terrorists plain and simple and no better that Osama in my book, an look where that got him, you all deserve his fate, but unfortuantely it's not my duty to carry out You seem awfully eager to dish out punishment for someone who doesn't like violence... Let's assume for a second that you can become immune to pvp. - Players would use their invulnerable alts to follow enemy fleets and keep tabs on what they do. - Losses would be severely limited -> without much need to replace things, the economy would collapse -> players wouldn't be able to earn anything anymore + severe inflation. - The whole sov warfare thing (which is sort of the heart of the game) would become meaningless if anyone could make his home in YOUR home. There would also be a lot other side effects. You need to think more. They are ways to live wihout fear of being ganked, but they require some amount of common sense.
Severe inflation already exists, there is no way it could get worse if anything the influx of extra materials would drive down prices, do you know nothing about economics, if there is too much of something and not enough demand for it, prices go down so that more people wil buy them |
Bleys Firedance
Alien Pancake Bonanza
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Posted - 2011.10.09 08:19:00 -
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Well here's my 0.01 isk take on this thread:
Dear CCP,
Please make EVE a nanny state for me, to help protect me from my own ignorance and stupidity.
Thanks.
OP, perhaps you should go visit a third world country where the environment you need to survive can be even more harsh than EVE, as you don't get a second chance such as making threads like this if you don't play by the rules of that countries culture. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.10.09 08:31:00 -
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How many years is it going to take before people realize that this is a PVP game?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
367
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Posted - 2011.10.09 08:39:00 -
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Alidar wrote:do you know nothing about economics, if there is too much of something and not enough demand for it, prices go down so that more people wil buy them Ok, so you don't understand economics either.
People will only buy them if there is a demand for it, and increasing supply does not increase demand. What you're asking for is the complete removal of demand, which does indeed collapse the economy.
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:How many years is it going to take before people realize that this is a PVP game. More than eight apparently, since the OP fantasises about having been in the betaGǪ The real mystery is how long ago he bought that character and how he hasn't been able to figure out how the game economy works since then. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Alidar
The Mad Scientists BRABODEN
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Posted - 2011.10.09 08:46:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:How many years is it going to take before people realize that this is a PVP game?
when they specifically indicate it on the most recent boxes, btw they barely mention it, if at all |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
302
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Posted - 2011.10.09 08:47:00 -
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You consent to PvP the moment you create an account.
It's part of the charm of Eve. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
367
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Posted - 2011.10.09 08:49:00 -
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Alidar wrote:when they specifically indicate it on the most recent boxes So, some time around 2002 then. And then repeated with every expansion since.
Good to know. GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
Alidar
The Mad Scientists BRABODEN
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Posted - 2011.10.09 08:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Alidar wrote:do you know nothing about economics, if there is too much of something and not enough demand for it, prices go down so that more people wil buy them Ok, so you don't understand economics either. People will only buy them if there is a demand for it, and increasing supply does not increase demand. What you're asking for is the complete removal of demand, which does indeed collapse the economy. Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:How many years is it going to take before people realize that this is a PVP game. More than eight apparently, since the OP fantasises about having been in the betaGǪ The real mystery is how long ago he bought that character and how he hasn't been able to figure out how the game economy works since then.
excuse me, but i believe your english to idiot translator is broken, I said not enough demand , not no demand, and besides if prices get too high economies collapse because those that need the products can not afford them |
Alidar
The Mad Scientists BRABODEN
1
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Posted - 2011.10.09 08:51:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Alidar wrote:when they specifically indicate it on the most recent boxes So, some time around 2002 then. And then repeated with every expansion since. Good to know.
the most recent box in my country was 2010, and either pvp leads to real life violence, the existence of my current physical disabilities are proof of this, hence why i disagree with pvp, fyi i didn't always disagree |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
367
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Posted - 2011.10.09 08:54:00 -
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Alidar wrote:I said not enough demand , not no demand Actually, you said no demand GÇö the fact that you don't understand how you did this illustrates perfectly that you do not understand economics or the game.
Quote:besides if prices get too high economies collapse because those that need the products can not afford them If prices get too high, further removing demand is not the solutionGǪ
GÇöGÇöGÇö GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ GÇö Karath Piki-á |
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