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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.06.23 13:34:00 -
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There is a lot of talk about level 4 missions being a source of too much money. People can do them to make tens of millions at a time. Now personally i have a hard time with level 3s but then Im not a battleship driver so that is probably why.
Everything else that gains large amounts of money in the game has the large amount of risk of going to 0.0 attached to it. should level 4 missions be the same?
What do you think?
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Roshan longshot
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Posted - 2005.06.23 13:37:00 -
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Old issue, already been beat to death, for several weeks, and CCP seems to think they are ok where they are.
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MOOstradamus
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Posted - 2005.06.23 13:39:00 -
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No. Shut up.
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Tananda Vaakaja
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Posted - 2005.06.23 13:39:00 -
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Unless something is done about "Ganking" my vote is No.. don't force people out to 0.0, you'll end up souring customer relations, and the amount of resultant "whinage" on the forums will be even worse than it already is...
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Kaalise
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Posted - 2005.06.23 13:43:00 -
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I could go with 0.0 - 0.4 with possibly the odd really crappy agent in a system near thos that sends you into low-sec half the time anyway but only 0.0? That's a pretty bad idea. Of course if they could alter missions so that PvP setups and PvE setups were fairly similar, well, that would be different (and also about as likely to happen as a whelk surviving a supernova)now wouldn't it?
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Deja Thoris
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Posted - 2005.06.23 13:44:00 -
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 Originally by: MOOstradamus
No. Shut up.
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Akilah Ashaki
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Posted - 2005.06.23 13:49:00 -
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Edited by: Akilah Ashaki on 23/06/2005 13:49:27
I wouldn't go that far.
SL<0.5 seems a fair deal to me even if you're right, by any other mean you can make as much money as Lvl4 grinding in .5<SL<.0
Lvl4 agent rewards in Concord space doesn't make sense.
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Akaviri
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Posted - 2005.06.23 13:52:00 -
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Well, 0.0 may be too far, 0.4 and lower is sufficient. It just doesn't make sense to me that there are tons of pirate faction battleships and installations in systems with a concord presence. Concord not shooting at small gate rats is one thing, but the hundreds of pirate faction battleships that get destroyed by mission runners every day in 0.9 systems don't make any sense from a roleplay perspective.
Since the Titan incident, the Gallente Navy shouldn't be allowing Serpentis to have entire fleets of battleships in the heart of the Federation, yet systems like Oursulaert are still full of serpentis battleships.
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2005.06.23 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: MOOstradamus
No. Shut up.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
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Posted - 2005.06.23 13:55:00 -
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i think, the plan of ccp, making it impossible to run em alone is enough.
never done em so im not a big fan of em ;)
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jason hill
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Posted - 2005.06.23 14:13:00 -
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unplug keyboard please
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Thyro
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Posted - 2005.06.23 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Derisor
There is a lot of talk about level 4 missions being a source of too much money. People can do them to make tens of millions at a time. Now personally i have a hard time with level 3s but then Im not a battleship driver so that is probably why.
Everything else that gains large amounts of money in the game has the large amount of risk of going to 0.0 attached to it. should level 4 missions be the same?
What do you think?
Sure put lvl4 missions in 0.0 but bring all ore that gives zyd+mega into 1.0
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2005.06.23 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: MOOstradamus
No. Shut up.
Word, though if possible id like that lvl 4 security agent from the FIO in Ours moved to low sec space 
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.06.23 14:25:00 -
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It boggles the mind how so many people cant state their opinion politely without being a complete jerk.
I guess good manners are out of fashion?
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SengH
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Posted - 2005.06.23 14:25:00 -
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Edited by: SengH on 23/06/2005 14:25:00
I'd prefer if 0.0 agents got a huge income boost. We dont get bounties, and the stupid tags dont sell for anything at all. EVERY time i get a blockade mission at the gates in HLW therse a 50% chance it'll end up as a PVP mission, the RISK of getting ganked is just NOT worth the reward. Also every once in a while my stupid survelliance agent gives me a important HAULING MISSION in 0.0 that gives crap and gave me a sec hit with concord. I was hauling antibiotics to treat an outbreak that affected civillians and concord gives me a sec hit? WTF. The risk is just NOT worth the reward of hauling something 20 ish jumps up the curse pipe just for 110k isk.
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.06.23 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
Edited by: SengH on 23/06/2005 14:25:00
I'd prefer if 0.0 agents got a huge income boost. We dont get bounties, and the stupid tags dont sell for anything at all. EVERY time i get a blockade mission at the gates in HLW therse a 50% chance it'll end up as a PVP mission, the RISK of getting ganked is just NOT worth the reward. Also every once in a while my stupid survelliance agent gives me a important HAULING MISSION in 0.0 that gives crap and gave me a sec hit with concord. I was hauling antibiotics to treat an outbreak that affected civillians and concord gives me a sec hit? WTF. The risk is just NOT worth the reward of hauling something 20 ish jumps up the curse pipe just for 110k isk.
Hmm I didnt know that. Probably because you were working for serpentis but I should ask if it is worth it living out there? Can you get the equipment you want and need?
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Cliff Yablonski
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Posted - 2005.06.23 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: Derisor
It boggles the mind how so many people cant state their opinion politely without being a complete jerk.
Ohh the irony 
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Thousand Fluffles
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Posted - 2005.06.23 14:28:00 -
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Originally by: SengH
I was hauling antibiotics to treat an outbreak that affected civillians and concord gives me a sec hit? WTF.
But they were pirate civilians though, weren't they? You know how it works, giving comfort to the enemy, etc. 
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.23 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: MOOstradamus
No. Shut up.
Take his advice.
They are already getting nerfed and will be apparently hard to solo. With that and the new introduction of zyd and mega in low sec ores, hopefully more people will start moving out of high sec.
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Verone
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Posted - 2005.06.23 14:45:00 -
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I'd say move all level 4 agents to low sec empire.
As far as the storyline/RP aspect of eve goes, it's a bit of a contradiction to the whole idea of concord having battleship pirate NPC's flying around in high sec empire space.
Of course, the empire huggers will flame this idea, even though if their beloved agents did get moved to low sec empire, they still can't be a target for most pirates who aren't willing to pack a scan probe launcher to find the deadspace areas their missions spawn in. 
Most people need to understand that moving the missions to lowsec or 0.0 will never happen, because so many people, particularly those who are funding alliances/large corps etc have a completely safe way to ISK farm in high sec empire space with no risk whatsoever, and if CCP were to move their agents, there would probably be a protest, and mass burning of pink panties from the empire hugging community.
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Blind Fear
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Posted - 2005.06.23 15:24:00 -
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If you have trouble with lvl 3 agent missions, you really arent qualified to say anything at all about lvl 4.
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Avon
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Posted - 2005.06.23 15:31:00 -
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The problem with claiming lvl 4's will be fine because they will be harder, is that they were meant to be impossible to solo anyway.
Players will find ways to do it, simply because NPC's are predictable.
The best rewards should be in the areas with a higher risk.
That doesn't mean putting all lvl4's in low sec or 0.0, it means reducing the rewards of those which are not.
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Winterblink
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Posted - 2005.06.23 15:39:00 -
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Originally by: Derisor
It boggles the mind how so many people cant state their opinion politely without being a complete jerk.
I guess good manners are out of fashion?
Take a cursory glance through the forums, you'll find the issue's already been discussed at length. We really didn't need another thread on the subject.
Also, keep in mind that online forums (especially gaming ones) aren't known as havens for the socially well-adjusted. You know this, you've been in the Neocron forums. Unless you're a different Derisor...
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DrunkenOne
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Posted - 2005.06.23 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: DrunkenOne on 23/06/2005 15:46:23
Originally by: Avon
The problem with claiming lvl 4's will be fine because they will be harder, is that they were meant to be impossible to solo anyway.
Players will find ways to do it, simply because NPC's are predictable.
Dunno, patch day I plan on sitting near a gaet in niya in a sigil with nanos picking up all the loot mission runners will lose when they try and kill frigs with torps.
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Quanteeri
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Posted - 2005.06.23 15:51:00 -
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Cheese on Wheat!!! This ones been done. Been Done Discussed, Been Done Resolved Even.
It was determined that there is no meaningful reason to move the agents around. That's why you get crappy loot for everything but 0.0, compared to prior to the last patch. All the good loot was where everyone was making their "real" money.
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Jane Vladmir
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Posted - 2005.06.23 15:57:00 -
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I like the idea.
lvl 2 agents @ 0.5+
lvl 3 agents @ 0.1-0.4
lvl 4 agents @ 0.0
But hey, that'd force people to have a risk while making money, and we all know people don't like risk/reward.
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nahtoh
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Posted - 2005.06.23 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Derisor
It boggles the mind how so many people cant state their opinion politely without being a complete jerk.
I guess good manners are out of fashion?
As had been mentioned your are reducing the dead hores to greasy stain on the floor...
Lets not forget you seem to be only looking out for yourself...
1. You liked stabs up untill you could not catch people.
2. 0.0 needed changed till you got out there.
3. You wanted powergaming/a lot of newbie help when you were low skilled.
4. I would guess your rat faction standing sucks and don't want to go back to empire space so you want all lvl4s moved to 0.0.
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Noriath
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Posted - 2005.06.23 16:10:00 -
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They should be moved into a black hole as far as I'm concerned.
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Derisor
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Posted - 2005.06.23 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: Derisor
It boggles the mind how so many people cant state their opinion politely without being a complete jerk.
I guess good manners are out of fashion?
Take a cursory glance through the forums, you'll find the issue's already been discussed at length. We really didn't need another thread on the subject.
Also, keep in mind that online forums (especially gaming ones) aren't known as havens for the socially well-adjusted. You know this, you've been in the Neocron forums. Unless you're a different Derisor...
When they implement a search function and dev tracker you can tell me to do this. Until then Im not going to page through thousands of posts every time I wish to post something.
Dont ***** at me, ***** at CCP.
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IamBen
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Posted - 2005.06.23 16:16:00 -
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with the new changes to pirate factions, rat hunting in 0.0 may become more profitable than agent mission whoring.
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