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ShyAsianHunny
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2013.01.17 14:57:00 -
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i think pos' are just about everywhere in lowsec and null. How can say that poses are a "small portion of the community."
not to mention WH corps live out of a POS.
"small portion of the community." i didn't realize that 85% of the eve map, including wspace, was only a small portion of the community.
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Skippermonkey
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1751
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Posted - 2013.01.17 14:57:00 -
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So i heard that CCP Greyscale is beign an arse to the CSM about POSs
Quote:UAxDEATH disagreed and brought up an example of priorities like POSes, GÇ£you promised us those thingsGÇ¥. Greyscale replied that coming into meetings with the mindset of CCP promising a certain feature is a fallacious, and flat-out wrong, mindset. With conversation now completely deteriorating, Unifex took control of the conversation and spoke about POSes.
It isnt a flat-out wrong mindset when you presented a bloody roundtable about 'starbases' at fanfest, and went on about 'Fantasy POS 2.0
Stop beign such a bootlicker Greyscale and give your paying customers what you promised and what they want.
(http://eveblog.allumis.co.uk/?p=832)
Quote:The next thing I attended was the starbases round table, although it was really a room with lots of chairs and a table at the front where CCP Greyscale and CCP MasterPlan sat. Unfortunately this didnGÇÖt have any microphones so it was more difficult to hear the Devs talk, and the discussions werenGÇÖt moderated particularly well, so some of the more vocal people in the room dominated at times.
CCP Greyscale has a vision he called Fantasy POS 2.0, which is a modular system, almost like a mini-outpost. This would need huge input from the art team, but would essentially allow you to set up a POS but not have to fly around all the different anchored structures to find out which lab the invented blueprints are in.
CCP Greyscale also liked the idea of small individual player POS which virtually anybody could own and put up and have some stuff there.
One of the most concerning aspects of this discussion was that the removal of POS forcefields seemed to be on the discussion table. One wormhole resident seemed particulary upset that players could hide in a POS and not get involved in PvP. However, with the discussions on removing POS forcefields, it didnGÇÖt seem that the impact of such a change had seriously been considered.
All in all, it was recognised that POS need love, but it doesnGÇÖt sound like any major changes are likely for quite some time.
I'll enjoy watching CCP dig their way out of this hole they've dug for themselves
COME AT ME BRO
I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION |
TimNeilson
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 14:58:00 -
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posting for pos revamp. also fix the corp interface please. |
HARD STEEL
Caldari Capital Construction Company
22
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Posted - 2013.01.17 14:59:00 -
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Advanced POS's = conflict driver. Maybe a small % of people are using them now because they are so horrible.
Space stations = huge sci fi element - I can't believe theres been such a backpeddle on this. Greyscale saying he wanted starbases that could jump systems - that got me so excited.
Now what do we have to look forward to based on this "lets do a little bit of everything" approach? How would that add a sense of wonder and mystery to the game vs "holy crap we can build star bases"
ONLY THE HARD.-á ONLY THE STRONG. |
Rroff
The Xenodus Initiative.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
183
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:00:00 -
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I actually think that current POS design works well enough in general however I do think they are well over-due a decent overhaul.
My main gripe is the lack of "allowed" lists that you can add or remove a player from specifically to grant access to the forcefield, specific CHA or SMA, etc. (not just tied down to corp either).
Beyond that theres are some tweaks that wouldn't go amiss to make it a bit less of a chore/more intuiative for people who are managing them but overall I don't see the need for massive changes - setting up and maintaining a POS shouldn't be effortless IMO but at the same time you shouldn't be tied in knots trying to manage basic features. |
Istyn
Freight Club
Whores in space
166
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:00:00 -
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Quote:UAxDEATH disagreed and brought up an example of priorities like POSes, GÇ£you promised us those thingsGÇ¥. Greyscale replied that coming into meetings with the mindset of CCP promising a certain feature is a fallacious, and flat-out wrong, mindset. With conversation now completely deteriorating, Unifex took control of the conversation and spoke about POSes.
Compare with
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/139688-1/page/4#94
CCP Greyscale wrote:If the minutes are somehow giving you the impression that starbases aren't a high priority, then there's some miscommunication going on. They're a big damn job to do and they need a lot of runway to get them right, but we're working on it as fast as we can.
and
CCP Greyscale wrote:
The thing is, starbases are a crufty old system that lots of people use and lots of people dislike using, and we've got to tackle them at some point. If you're classifying "jesus features" purely on size, then ruling them out means we'll never redo the corp management interface, or lowsec, or s&i, or sov warfare, or any of the other "big" projects that everyone wants dealt with.
Do you really think your subscribers are that thick, Greyscale? |
space chikun
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
50
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:00:00 -
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MainDrain wrote:@CCP_Unifex Do I want a new modular POS system? No. Do I need to manage it easily? Yes. Please iterate - we've been patient! #tweetfleet
CCP Unifex GÇÅ@CCP_Unifex
@RussellBarnes78 That's the key way to look at this.
This is a copy paste from twitter, and looks to be the first response to this issue from Unifex (i could be wrong and if i am i'm sorry)
This to me shows that although a whole new re-design would be bad in terms of the money and time required iteration and improvements of use is something that are happy with doing.
Then he needs to clarify that here, not on Twitter, and tell us that they're going to iterate on the current system. As it stands, they've left it at "well, they're not important enough", referring to the players who manage POSes. |
Wafou Ka'Djo
Evolve Inc.
5
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:00:00 -
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I'd like to see a POS Fix/Revamp and a more user friendly corp interface |
Erebus Gale
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:00:00 -
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1) Go to any system.
2) Hit d-scan.
3) See POSes. |
Nair Alderau
EVE University
Ivy League
23
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:01:00 -
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MainDrain wrote:@CCP_Unifex Do I want a new modular POS system? No. Do I need to manage it easily? Yes. Please iterate - we've been patient! #tweetfleet
CCP Unifex GÇÅ@CCP_Unifex
@RussellBarnes78 That's the key way to look at this.
This is a copy paste from twitter, and looks to be the first response to this issue from Unifex (i could be wrong and if i am i'm sorry)
...
Quoting this because it is important if genuine.
I disagree with no new system (because I think the current system is pretty broken from the get-go and would req. almost as much effort/resources to iterate to usability as simply starting from scratch - except for the art department, obvs.) |
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Heimdallofasgard
Apex Overplayed Coalition
Fatal Ascension
386
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:02:00 -
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MainDrain wrote:@CCP_Unifex Do I want a new modular POS system? No. Do I need to manage it easily? Yes. Please iterate - we've been patient! #tweetfleet
CCP Unifex GÇÅ@CCP_Unifex
@RussellBarnes78 That's the key way to look at this.
This is a copy paste from twitter, and looks to be the first response to this issue from Unifex (i could be wrong and if i am i'm sorry)
This to me shows that although a whole new re-design would be bad in terms of the money and time required iteration and improvements of use is something that are happy with doing.
Or he's found the one person on earth who agrees with him. Unifex has gone back on his word about "pos's can't be iterated upon"... he needs to go all the way here... modular pos's are just too good to pass up on.
Kick Heim... MATE |
Aenrea
Terpene Conglomerate
15
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:03:00 -
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CCP, please, revamp POSes, I hate the current system pretty much in all aspects. You said few months back that you want to make them more accessible, prettier, that everyone could afford to buy one, everyone would like them.
Please, CCP, make this happen.
CEO of Terpene Conglomerate,
Amarrian FW & exploration corp formed from -áKhanid, Amarrian and Caldari pilots. |
Glasgow Dunlop
Gigaverse
The Imperial Senate
41
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:03:00 -
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Yeah, so almost 800 Posts in 12 hours.
Your move CCP . . .
I am a small portion of the community-á
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=194625 |
Alx Warlord
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY
Tribal Conclave
296
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:04:00 -
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Heimdallofasgard wrote:MainDrain wrote:@CCP_Unifex Do I want a new modular POS system? No. Do I need to manage it easily? Yes. Please iterate - we've been patient! #tweetfleet
CCP Unifex GÇÅ@CCP_Unifex
@RussellBarnes78 That's the key way to look at this.
This is a copy paste from twitter, and looks to be the first response to this issue from Unifex (i could be wrong and if i am i'm sorry)
This to me shows that although a whole new re-design would be bad in terms of the money and time required iteration and improvements of use is something that are happy with doing.
Or he's found the one person on earth who agrees with him. Unifex has gone back on his word about "pos's can't be iterated upon"... he needs to go all the way here... modular pos's are just too good to pass up on.
True, it is not needed Iteraction.. It is needed a REVAMP, as POS is so important as a spaceship...
Please read this! > New POS system (Block Built)
Please read this! > Refining and Reprocess Revamp |
Saidin Thor
Norse Technologies
14
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:04:00 -
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POSes in their current form are an abomination, but there isn't any alternative.
Almost every single resident of player-owned nullsec will be affected by a POS revamp (through staging towers, jump briges, etc).
Every resident of a wormhole will be affected by a POS revamp (since WH dwellers are totally dependent on POSes to actually live inside a WH).
Those residents of NPC-nullsec that have staging towers will be directly affected by a POS revamp.
Owners of lowsec towers, as well as any entities which have staging towers in lowsec, will be directly affected by a POS revamp.
Owners of hisec towers will be directly affected by a POS revamp.
This seems like a lot of people that are going to be affected. Considering that balancing nullsec basically only affects residents of nullsec, I would posit it's a significantly larger population than would be affected by working on "balancing nullsec." Finally, I believe that not seeing a real POS overhaul as part of the solution to Nullsec balance is a real mistake.
Does the change to POSes HAVE to happen as implementation of modular POSes? No, I don't think so. But improvements to the way they are handled now is something that needs to happen. |
Dynow Sawr
E.M.P. Industries
Gentlemen's Agreement
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:04:00 -
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Heimdallofasgard wrote:
...the current system is pretty broken
I totally agree, POS interface is a mess, please fix it. |
Qlyx
RowanTree Corp
Nulli Tertius
0
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:05:00 -
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Fix pos please. |
Pinky Feldman
Gank Bangers
Moar Tears
485
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:05:00 -
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Does this mean we will get hats finally?
The moar you cry the less you pee |
czMulti
Posthuman Society
28
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:05:00 -
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Glasgow Dunlop wrote:Yeah, so almost 800 Posts in 12 hours.
Your move CCP . . .
we should burn jita or something...
or blow up every pos... |
Daoa Hakoke
Saiph Industries
Talocan United
5
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:05:00 -
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I support this thread and fixing/improving POS's. |
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Horatius Caul
Kitzless
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:05:00 -
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If CCP had put one game designer and one programmer to the task of sorting out POSes when they first promised it, most of the hurdles would probably be passed by now. I really don't see how a company like CCP with such excellent developers would need the entire EVE team to focus on modular starbases to get them to work.
Here's what you do:
You take a skilled programmer and put him in front of the codebase for POSes, and next to him you put a game designer who can draw diagrams of how everything fits together, and fetch the programmer some coffee when he asks for it.
You let the programmer un-tangle the POS code, and together he and the game designer document it.
Then you tell them to write a new system that can do all the same things, just like with Crimewatch, but you make sure that everything they write is solid code that can have stuff added or taken away. Also, you throw in some additional features they should keep the system open for, like modularity.
Then, once that's done, you put a full team on the job of developing the new POS system. With half of the coding done, they don't have to worry about untangling a big mess of yarn, or writing redundant code. Instead, they can focus on making new and cool stuff.
So, say maybe six months to untangle and re-write the original POS code, starting from last Fanfest. Another six months to build the new starbase system. That doesn't sound unreasonable to me, considering Crimewatch was done in less time, and I'm pretty sure that was an even messier system that was more dangerous to tinker with.
Amarrad - Amarr language project |
Alx Warlord
SUPERNOVA SOCIETY
Tribal Conclave
296
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:06:00 -
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800+ now...
Does CCP realiza the size of the mess?
Please read this! > New POS system (Block Built)
Please read this! > Refining and Reprocess Revamp |
Bertral
Les chevaliers de l'ordre
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:06:00 -
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Do not let the minorities down. Fix POSes, please ! |
LanFear TyRaX
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:07:00 -
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I do not understand why we are a small portion of the community, actually we're the majority.
Only a small portion of the community doesn't deal with POS-es on a daily basis. From highsec manufacturers and industrialists to nullsec alliance lords.
But only in wspace people live on a POS and they are essential to our way of playing the game.
I know some of the CCP Devs are living in wormhole space while in game. Please ask your corporation CEO and officers about how many hoops one has to jump through to join a wormhole corporation and even then nothing is certain as someone may steal all the ships he can. That would be acceptable in EvE, IF there were security measures present to prevent him from doing that and they were not used. But there are almost no security mechanisms on POS-es. Again please ask Wormhole corporation officers about how they have to manage this security by segregating people on different towers, putting password etc etc. This handicaps the corporation as a whole too.
If we don't want a huge. complete POS revamp, I thing this is the most essential thing that need to be added to the current POS :
Sedilis wrote:WE NEED SECURE SHIP STORAGE.! |
BlackerDragoon
My Little Pony - Friendship Force
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:07:00 -
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ShyAsianHunny wrote:i think pos' are just about everywhere in lowsec and null. How can say that poses are a "small portion of the community."
not to mention WH corps live out of a POS.
"small portion of the community." i didn't realize that 85% of the eve map, including wspace, was only a small portion of the community.
Most of the time, I'm having more POSes on D-Scan in Low, Null and J-Space than ships, so in my opinion POSes are no small issue here. They have a major impact on how people live, and their concept is outdated.
I know it cannot be an easy task to redo them, think of a way how they would be better and actually get them made, but CCP isn't exactly known for leaving impossible tasks to be undone. |
Patrick Baboli
meadhan oidhche cinneach
5
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:07:00 -
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 wow i guess that based soley on the number of pages of comments, this topic has seen more traffic in a single morning than some of the holiday devblogs saw in a few days |
ShyAsianHunny
Fweddit
I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
5
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:08:00 -
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Pinky Feldman wrote:Does this mean we will get hats finally?
yes pinky, all the hats. |
Derrick Exonar
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:08:00 -
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Srsly, fix this CCP. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians
Tribal Band
194
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:09:00 -
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The sheer size of this thread shows how utterly clueless CCP Unifex is.
So apparently spending two expansions replacing one broken war dec system used by people griefing bear corps with another broken war dec system used by people griefing bear corps is okay, but fixing a huge fundamental cornerstone of the Eve universe is not?
Are you high or something?
"The rest will be in the blog rather than invented at the keyboards of forum posters and bloggers."
-á-á-á-á-á-á-á - CCP Sreegs, 23/06/2012
Umad forum warriors? |
DJ DanB
Eve Radio Corporation
2
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Posted - 2013.01.17 15:09:00 -
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Yes!! It's a crappy system that I've had to work with just about 90% of my eve career. |
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