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Stigman Zuwadza
Repercussus RAZOR Alliance
90
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Posted - 2013.01.18 01:18:00 -
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CCP needs a development team with a 'can do' attitude, I thought CCP consisted of about 200 employees, maybe you (CCP) need to shed some fat and get in those 'can do' guys.
My snide remark aside, POSes need a serious rework.
An example of how bad they can be ...my friend gave my alt Directorship of his Corp because it was easier than faffing around with roles. Creating a better system for accessing a POS is much needed.
Fly safe. o7 CCP: Cloak Hunters - CSM6: Cautiously positive - Dec 2011 Summit - Minutes (pg. 22). Cloaking Technicalities Explained - CSM7 Town Hall Meeting - May 2012 |

Kara Kardan
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium Kill It With Fire
5
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Posted - 2013.01.18 01:18:00 -
[1892] - Quote
I wonder how they measure pos usage. Just today i was reminded on how pos have their issues. Juggling access in a wh corp, including new members and enabling us to share and work together for our corp was not easy. It could be much better.
I am always sad when i see someone excited for wh and i can never just invite them because well, spais. |

Manzinus
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
12
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Posted - 2013.01.18 01:18:00 -
[1893] - Quote
Fix POS mechanics. I don't care if thats the only thing the next whole expansion is on. Fix it. |

Fenrisian Wolf
Stahl Arms and Shipyards V0RTEX.
1
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Posted - 2013.01.18 01:22:00 -
[1894] - Quote
+1 |

Legomaniax
The Pony Express
0
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Posted - 2013.01.18 01:22:00 -
[1895] - Quote
SIGNED
Understandable that this is something that might take some time to revamp, but I have faith that CCP will do it right and it will be magnificent.
POS's are NOT the culmination of all what is evil in the world, but they could be improved.
While its easy to say on the outside looking in that nothing is being done, there are a good amount of people that aren't pulling out our hair because we can't repackage in a POS or there is no way to open cans inside the corp hanger.
Keep fighting the good fight CCP! Make us all proud! Or at least give us something else to complain about 
-Lego |

Torshawna
Cold Moon Destruction Transmission Lost
4
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Posted - 2013.01.18 01:24:00 -
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A change to the POS system is so over due that it's not even funny. I can't believe CCP would even consider backing out! |

Huron Rhea
Mining Exploits Dominatus Atrum Mortis
0
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Posted - 2013.01.18 01:25:00 -
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My corp and alliance have spent a considerable amount of time working with POSs in low sec and wormholes. They're a crucial element for industry and wormhole warfare, even NPC null sec encounters -- not to mention their necessity in sov 0.0. In their current state there is ample room for improvements, many of which consecutive CSMs have brought to light for CCP. Alas, beyond the fuel block simplification, little else has been done to mend the work flow of the interface and the structures themselves. I'm very sympathetic to the "lego in space" concept if it means improving the player experience of POSs overall.
As some other replies have noted, if there is a dearth of use of POSs it may in fact be to their less-than-friendly comportment in the game.
Thanks for putting out this call to demonstrate our interest Two Step. |

Celly Smunt
Viziam Amarr Empire
31
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Posted - 2013.01.18 01:27:00 -
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Manzinus wrote:Fix POS mechanics. I don't care if thats the only thing the next whole expansion is on. Fix it.
I'm sure many wouldn't care either, I know I wouldn't, however I think we (and CCP) have to remember that SOV needs work, badly according to what I've read, so I'd be more than willing to "share" the pos Revamp with SOV fixes and I also think (based on a few previous posts) that those two items would actually compliment each other in the long run. Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or be singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator. |

Innominate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
207
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Posted - 2013.01.18 01:28:00 -
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CCP Gargant wrote: "Seagull: The reason there's a GÇ£noGÇ¥ to doing [Modular POSes] right now is that it was affecting all of these areas in a way that was too big to do at once.
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Nowhere has CCP stated that the Player Owned Structure system will not receive attention.
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Faldor Pahineh
Mining Exploits Dominatus Atrum Mortis
0
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Posted - 2013.01.18 01:28:00 -
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Please improve the POSs. They're in dire need of iteration. Other replies state a range of what's needed, some of what's not. But really, we'd all love to see some action around POSs. |
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Taawuz
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Nulli Secunda
18
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Posted - 2013.01.18 01:35:00 -
[1901] - Quote
Manzinus wrote:Fix POS mechanics. I don't care if thats the only thing the next whole expansion is on. Fix it.
This. |

Infinion
My Little Pony - Friendship Force
34
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Posted - 2013.01.18 01:38:00 -
[1902] - Quote
+1
at least work in tandem with other features if you don't want to put all your manpower into it |

Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1623
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Posted - 2013.01.18 01:39:00 -
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Ok a bit of a long and rambly post from me
First I want to look at the time line as the minutes are all over the place.
Wednesday Schedule
CSM as stakeholder - Trebor - NDA REVIEW DONE Improvements on Bounty Hunting - Aleks - NDA REVIEW DONE Factional Warfare - Trebor - NDA REVIEW DONE Lunch Mercs, Wars and Crimewatch - Hans - NDA REVIEW DONE Nullsec - Elise - NDA REVIEW DONE NDA topic #1 (double session) - Hans - NDA REVIEW DONE
Thursday Schedule
EVE/DUST link - FIRST DRAFT DONE by Hans Player Experience (new and old) - Kelduum - NDA REVIEW DONE CREST for 3rd parties - Two step - NDA REVIEW DONE Lunch Voting system changes - Trebor - NDA REVIEW DONE Corp Management - SESSION CANCELLED NDA topic #2 - No minutes, NDA paragraph done by Trebor NDA topic #3 - No minutes, NDA paragraph done by Issler Out of Client (game on more platforms) - Two step - NDA REVIEW DONE
Friday Schedule
EVE Marketing - Dovinian - NDA REVIEW DONE EVE Economy & PLEX - Trebor - NDA REVIEW DONE NDA topic #4 - Trebor - NDA REVIEW DONE Lunch EVE UI - Kelduum - NDA REVIEW DONE Ship Balancing - Elise - NDA REVIEW DONE Art - Trebor - NDA REVIEW DONE Live Events - Seleene - NDA REVIEW DONE Community site - Very short session, paragraph written up by Trebor Nullsec part 2 - Elise - NDA REVIEW DONE DUST part 2 - FIRST DRAFT DONE by Hans
So the comments as they have been brought up
Unifex stated that what CCP did was spend effort and prototype what would make a good POS system. It would, however, only affect the group of people who manage POSes. Focusing that amount of time and effort on some small singular aspect of the game and delivering only that GÇ£is what will kill the businessGÇ¥. (page 37)
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Taking the opportunity to talk about POSes, Alek queried why the CSM were so late in learning that POSes were hard to do now. Further, he disagreed that POSes would only touch a small subset of the players and asked how did CCP feel able to accomplish the feat of balancing null-sec, which Alek viewed as comparatively more difficult than POSes. Soundwave was the first to respond and told Alek that he felt some of the assertions he made were incorrect and, from a game design perspective, implementing changes to null-sec and the sov system in general would be easier than revamping the POS system. On top of that, Soundwave added, the POS system by itself would only affect a small portion of the community. (page 38)
Both of these comments were made on Wednesday
As to the response by CCP Gargant
CCP Gargant wrote:It is good to hear that all of you are so heavily invested in the game, and specifically in things that need an overhaul. You guys still have passion for EVE and that in turn makes me more passionate for what I do here. Furthermore, it would appear that Two step, albeit being present at the CSM summit, seems to have misinterpreted what has been stated so far. That said, I want to bring three quotes from the CSM meeting minutes to your attention:
From page 19:
"Unifex: Once we have a theme, we can begin to thread the issues you've identified as needing to be prioritized into that theme. POS's, for example, desperately need some improvement. How do we fit that work into our theme? Maybe we don't do all of the modular POS work at once, but we start by making some modules, solving the hangar problem, for instance. But that new hangar module would also exist to support other new activities as part of the themed expansion. "
From page 99:
"Seagull: We have 4 things that are interacting [regarding the POSes]: the gameplay and design of the POS system, the role POSes play in achieving things in the game (its features), the technical layer (code) then manages all of this (which currently is old and needs refactoring), and art. Regarding art, there is the question of do you want to redo the art, do you want to show individual modules (as opposed to have things inside, like a station), and then you have technical issues, such as what does the rendering complexity of a scene do to client performance?"
"Seagull: The reason there's a GÇ£noGÇ¥ to doing [Modular POSes] right now is that it was affecting all of these areas in a way that was too big to do at once. What you're trying to do is try to find a way to get what you want, but what we need to do is go back and look at how we can separate all these layers, and figure out something reasonable, and then have Art do something that's immersive and amazing."
Nowhere has CCP stated that the Player Owned Structure system will not receive attention. Many of you have already pointed out that it is painful to use at best, a huge pile of unusable dingleberries at worst. Some talk about this being the "old" CCP appearing again but I want to assure all of you that the mistakes that happened in 2011 will not repeat themselves. CCP has only stated that THE OVERHAUL CANNOT HAPPEN ALL AT ONCE
I can't make promises for game designers or the people that make content for EVE Online. Please try to remember that. What I can do is assure you that your voices have been heard, the opinion of the CSM has been heard, and the concerns raised in this thread have been heard. The page 19 quote is from The next decade session, as to where it sits only the CSM knows also its not page 19 but page 15
As to the other quote on page 99 is from the Art session held on Friday, this makes me wonder if the original "NO" from wednesday was possibly rethought a bit during the next series of sessions but on to the main hub of this
Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
1623
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Posted - 2013.01.18 01:39:00 -
[1904] - Quote
CCP Gargant wrote:Nowhere has CCP stated that the Player Owned Structure system will not receive attention.
I must point out in this that no where even in this thread has any member of CCP actually said "YES" we will do something about POSs. I for one would like to see a clear yes that they will start working on it, not as the full force of CCP but slowly releasing fixes in the next and every consecutive release until it is actually done.
Just one clear YES that is all Vote for Malcanis for CSM8 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=192717&find=unread
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Didona Carpenito
Empire of Collateral Damage Heimatar Fleet Alliance
24
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Posted - 2013.01.18 01:42:00 -
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I have 5 accounts. 3 accounts that use pos's. I have been very patient waiting for some love. No pos fix, no reason to keep 3 accounts.... Not mad, no raging, three (3) accounts that are paid in full every year will be gone......
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Longtime Luver
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1
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Posted - 2013.01.18 01:43:00 -
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I don't work with POS because they are such a pain in the ass. If they were a bit easier to work with I would love to have a POS just for me. Devs need to hear that, MAKE POS SIMPLER OR STREAMLINED OR WHATEVER! Your loving players will make use of this new feature. EVE has a lot of great ideas in game that need fixing. There is already so much content, why not spend some major effort on this. I remember back in the Bob Delve wars they where saying they hated the POS system both because of the sov system and the POS itself. They fixed one of those. Called it good. |

Otto Jaeger
The Classy Gentlemans Corporation Moist.
0
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Posted - 2013.01.18 01:43:00 -
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Fix POSes. If nothing else, then please DO something about the security. Then it won't be only small portion of eve players who use them ( let's not talk about how small with poses almost in every wormhole or hs/ls/null system) |

Sgetout
You are in da lock
0
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Posted - 2013.01.18 01:48:00 -
[1908] - Quote
Fix POSes. For teh great justice! |

Kalel Nimrott
EG CORP Talocan United
173
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Posted - 2013.01.18 01:55:00 -
[1909] - Quote
You can fix the space stick, or you can fix my stick. Your call. |

Tursarius
Capital Industries Research And Development Fidelas Constans
3
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Posted - 2013.01.18 01:56:00 -
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I support revamping the pos system. It is in major need of an overhaul. More so than any other aspect of the game. The pos system could bring so much more to eve. Please Fix it now! |
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Oghedron
The Independent Legion of Wookies End of Life
0
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Posted - 2013.01.18 01:57:00 -
[1911] - Quote
I am also a small part of the community. Please fix or remake the pos system. |

Samus Arun
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2013.01.18 02:05:00 -
[1912] - Quote
+1, I support POS fixes. |

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1243
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Posted - 2013.01.18 02:05:00 -
[1913] - Quote
Man, this thread sure did fill up, shockingly it seems you might be mistaken about how small a part of your community HATES control towers and everything about them (because they suck hogballs). |

Ildryn
Xiloite
69
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Posted - 2013.01.18 02:06:00 -
[1914] - Quote
-1 I would rather have the ship balancing and FW be made a priority.
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Akyla Dey
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
59
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Posted - 2013.01.18 02:08:00 -
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Manzinus wrote:Fix POS mechanics. I don't care if thats the only thing the next whole expansion is on. Fix it. I'll see your post and raise you one. Quit with the other stuff. Skip an expansion. Sure, it'll mean less new subs initially, but the benefit in the long run is great. Hell, you can even quit with the ship rebalancing and v3 for awhile. I think it's going great, I love the new art and new balancing, but ships work right now. I can go savage another man's ship just fine. Maybe it's not optimal, but it works and it's fun. Right now POSs are neither.
I don't suggest this because I was my new POS and I want it sooner than later. I say it because it could be the foundation for everything you want to do. It ties in with industry, with null and the dynamics there, and with small gang action if the design is right. The 'Big 3' mentioned in the CSM Minutes, along with a whole host of other possibilities for emergent play. It could literally be the bedrock on which you base your future plans, while addressing something that is integral to the current game. I think it's worth the short term pain for the long term gain. |

ShogunAssassin
League of Non-Aligned Worlds Nulli Secunda
0
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Posted - 2013.01.18 02:12:00 -
[1916] - Quote
+1 |

Aldo Hanso
The Red Circle Inc.
21
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Posted - 2013.01.18 02:12:00 -
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Please, for the love of all that is holy, improve the POS system or give us modular POS's. I have eight of my nine characters working and living in POS's, some in highsec, some in W-space, and its a very frustrating mechanic. I know its hard to improve them, seemingly impossible, but the whole community is behind the idea, CCP. We know you are thinking about big things, but please don't ignore this.
Give us POS or give us Death! Aldo Hanso |

Clementina
The Scope
74
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Posted - 2013.01.18 02:15:00 -
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POSes affect literally everyone who plays this video game. The stocks of Tech 2 materials that came from mission rewards have been exhausted a long time ago.
Also nearly every medium sized or large corporation tries to maintain at least one for various reasons. This will often drive CEOs to distraction. Wormhole corp members need POSes in order to survive.
CCP should fix them, they are broken beyond belief, and have been perhaps ever since their release. |

Sven Viko VIkolander
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
33
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Posted - 2013.01.18 02:16:00 -
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I have no idea what it would take to simplify or add to the existing POS system, but from the perspective of a new player I can tell you this: If you make it more accessible I would go to great, irrational lengths to acquire a POS.
I've always envied those rats in missions that have "bunkers." I've always thought...why can't I have a bunker I can deploy in the middle of space, with a fitting window where I can, say, add a cloak to it or something to hide it from other players, and chill the f out in it in the middle of space like a little cave in the mountains?
So ya, I'd love a 1-3 year revamp of the system and I'd make up a use for a POS even if I had no good reason to own one... |

Epigene
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
18
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Posted - 2013.01.18 02:16:00 -
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Please don't turn POS into Stations. Yes they need to be tweaked but make it too easy, too comfortable and the allure of the frontier life is gone.
If you want to know more, read this blog post.
Fly dangerously |
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