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Imminent Downfall
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2013.01.18 05:11:00 -
[1981] - Quote
POSes need to be fixed NOW! I would gladly trade anything for a pure pos update or better yet a series of updates involving small tweaks (like how you deftly handled/are handling the BC/Dessie changes).
This is not mine in any way. I saw this on reddit and am not sure who the original author is but I was deeply moved by it and wanted to post it here on the off chance you haven't already seen it: http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.com/2013/01/why-ccp-is-wrong-about-modular-poses.html
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Winthorp
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
31
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Posted - 2013.01.18 05:12:00 -
[1982] - Quote
100 page thread naught that confirms that the POS revamp will benefit no one.
Now get on to it CCP
Bump for 200 pages |
Vendictus Prime
Mercurialis Inc. RAZOR Alliance
2
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Posted - 2013.01.18 05:17:00 -
[1983] - Quote
But, hardly anyone uses them!? !? |
Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Black Legion.
973
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Posted - 2013.01.18 05:17:00 -
[1984] - Quote
Stridsflygplan wrote:POSt for POSes! I see what you did there.
wow 100 pages guys. That's no small portion ;) "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
CSM7 rep, CSM 4 vet Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Steph Wing
Applied Agoraphobia
74
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Posted - 2013.01.18 05:20:00 -
[1985] - Quote
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Stridsflygplan wrote:POSt for POSes! I see what you did there. wow 100 pages guys. That's no small portion ;)
Someone's gunning for the POS operator vote. |
Celly Smunt
Viziam Amarr Empire
32
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Posted - 2013.01.18 05:30:00 -
[1986] - Quote
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Stridsflygplan wrote:POSt for POSes! I see what you did there. wow 100 pages guys. That's no small portion ;)
agreed, especially if you factor in that generally only a small segment of the community even bothers with the forums, then counter that percentage with the turnout for this particular thread...
just saying.
o/ Celly
Don't mistake fact for arrogance, supposition for fact, or disagreement for dismissal. Perception is unique in that it can be shared or be singular. Run with the pack if you wish, but think for yourself. A sandwich can be a great motivator. |
Gus Machado
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.01.18 05:32:00 -
[1987] - Quote
I do not own a Pos! I don't want to own a Pos! But When I saw the purposed revamp at fanfest last year I was thinking man if they even come close to makeing some of the changes poposed I would definitely want to have one. I agree with most of the players in the thread Poses should be looked at and made a lot cooler and easier to maintain. So please CCP do not stumble, Think about how cool it would be to make the dream of your vision for Poses come true. the Pos revamp is still in my opinion a good idea. |
Allandri
Liandri Industrial Liandri Covenant
23
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Posted - 2013.01.18 05:32:00 -
[1988] - Quote
Same POS's (literal and figuratuve) since I subbed in 2004. Fix them! |
Jarnis McPieksu
427
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Posted - 2013.01.18 05:33:00 -
[1989] - Quote
Ex-POS operator "small minority" who cancelled two out of four accounts and packed up the POSes due to the fact that the whole game system is so terrible. Want 30 euros a month more from me? Rework POSes and industry related to them in general.
:waves money in front of CCP:
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Proximo Kor-Azor
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.01.18 05:43:00 -
[1990] - Quote
Maximus Andendare wrote:CCP Gargant wrote:I can't make promises for game designers or the people that make content for EVE Online. Please try to remember that. What I can do is assure you that your voices have been heard, the opinion of the CSM has been heard, and the concerns raised in this thread have been heard. Respectfully, CCP Gargant, therein lies the problem. I certainly still have an enormous amount of respect for CCP and the job its Devs do every day, but if you're just writing to say "hold on guys, we hear you," but you can't actually comment on what's coming, then that doesn't really help us at all. POSes are in a desperate state at the moment. And I think many people would agree--players and CCP--that something needs to be done to improve POS mechanics and, as a result, quality of life. Let me point out a few quotes of my own that I have found that give many of us posting here concern that "POSes had been shelved:" Page 37 (after UAxDEATH brought up "broken promises" on a POS revamp): "Unifex stated that what CCP did was spend effort and prototype what would make a good POS system. It would, however, only affect the group of people who manage POSes. Focusing that amount of time and effort on some small singular aspect of the game and delivering only that GÇ£is what will kill the businessGÇ¥. (emphasis added) Then back on Page 21: "Unifex: We can't do everything in our long-term plan in the next 6 months. And when we actually do the prototyping and figure out how tough something is to actually do, our plans may change." (emphasis added) Jumping ahead to Page 38: "[F]rom a game design perspective, implementing changes to null-sec and the sov system in general would be easier than revamping the POS system. On top of that, Soundwave added, the POS system by itself would only affect a small portion of the community." It seems evident from the quotes above that CCP had, in fact, analyzed whether a POS revamp would be worth it but then decided that the developer cost-to-player benefit could not be justified due to POSes "affect[ing] a small portion of the community." Certainly, we could look all over the EVE Universe and find points where problems exist, from high sec to low to null to wormhole space. And of course each player from those respective areas is going to want to lobby for their area being fixed. The thing about POSes, though, is that they affect players in all areas of the game, and this doesn't even speak of what POSes could do if given a proper once-over. They could make massive quality of life improvements, from refitting T3s in wormhole space to rethinking how refining and manufacturing fit in high sec space. Granted there is merit in focusing developer talent and financial resources on individual areas, and there are many systems that need overhaul. But given the fact that POSes affect players in all areas, the answer seems obvious. Whether its a new player or veteran, there's tremendous gameplay opportunity a POS revamp would afford. It could easily attract newer players to POSes if they weren't so daunting or hard to manage, and it would give veterans quality of life improvements that are long overdue. I'm signing this thread, because I believe that our concerns weren't misplaced. And I feel that POSes are in need of change. QFT. +1 for pos change
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OziRia
Crit Line
9
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Posted - 2013.01.18 05:44:00 -
[1991] - Quote
Sorry for my bad English. When CCP bad it feeds us all the sweet promises, but how are you get better, so it starts again spit on the players? Enough to fool us, do some reworking of the POS. POS FIX or GFTO |
Damoxenos
Deathstars'R'Us Erebus Alliance
0
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Posted - 2013.01.18 05:44:00 -
[1992] - Quote
Dear CCP,
I am probably flogging a puddle of nondescript red goo that used to be a dead horse by now, but whatever, here goes:
You say too few people use POS for you to consider them a priority. How do you, on the other hand, measure the people that would start using them if they had good mechanics and intuitive interface?
Plenty of people I know just stay away from the damn things because it's not worth dealing with the cobbled together mechanics at this time. The fuel changes were an easy fix, and POS operators everywhere thank you for it, but now it's time to rework the whole system. Pretty please? |
Oliver Stoned
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.01.18 05:55:00 -
[1993] - Quote
Dearest CCP,
In your own words, HTFU.
If 100 pages so far is a SMALL portion of the player base, just keep reading. |
Galendil
Broken Anvil Catastrophic Uprising
12
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Posted - 2013.01.18 06:02:00 -
[1994] - Quote
+1 |
Ossirrus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2013.01.18 06:03:00 -
[1995] - Quote
Security of POSes need fixing however turning them into a station that you dock at is not the answer.
im all for a POS fix as long as you dont break them in the process. |
Zu'ferna
Detachment Alpha Narwhals.
0
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Posted - 2013.01.18 06:04:00 -
[1996] - Quote
Howdy CCP! I'm rather fond of my POS. Mainly because it keeps my valuable stuff safe in my wormhole! But that doesn't mean I don't think it needs improvement! I'd very much like improvement! Quite a bit! Most importantly is alliance access to Ship Maintenance Arrays, and Corp Hangers, and Assembly Arrays. Under the current settings you can't really dictate who can use a SMA beyond owner corp, and everyone in the alliance. With Assembly Arrays and Corp Hangers, they can only be accessed by the corp that owns them. I personally have several accounts, in different corporations, in the wormhole with me. This makes managing mods and storing things a annoying process without the use of cans, but cans are vulnerable to being opened by anyone in the alliance, or with the force field password. Those are my two most desired improvements.
Oh, I'd also love to have a ship spin counter. It's been so long since I've been docked in a station, and I miss my little number. |
Sith1s Spectre
Sky Fighters Talocan United
67
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Posted - 2013.01.18 06:04:00 -
[1997] - Quote
Posting in a 100 page threadnought confiming CCP need to pull their finger out and fix their broken stuff. May you be one with Bob |
Showmust Goon
Pretenders Inc W-Space
1
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Posted - 2013.01.18 06:12:00 -
[1998] - Quote
W-Space for POS-changes! |
Carmine Zuigiber
United Aerospace Co-op
0
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Posted - 2013.01.18 06:18:00 -
[1999] - Quote
Posting because I don't want a POS right now. I want what they could be: Farms & Fields
Victory Gardens for solo players. Community co-ops for elite PVPers. Slaughterhouses for alliances.
We know the devs have good ideas. Ideas that "scale", and touch industry, sovereignty, exploration, and more. Start small, take them on one at a time.
If POSes weren't so hard to deal with, they'd affect more players. Make it happen! |
Quatica Sicor
Enlightened Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2013.01.18 06:27:00 -
[2000] - Quote
I'am posting because the current POS system is just such a pain, and the modular system can be so much more.
So please go ahead with the change |
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Avui
Lions Of Judah Against ALL Anomalies
3
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Posted - 2013.01.18 06:27:00 -
[2001] - Quote
Hi,
I'm really enjoying the CSM minutes. Mainly because I was able to connect to the instigators/enablers metaphor.
And while it makes sense creating the APIs that allows those players to create tools to make their life easier, I think you should not classify the small instigator differently (like small gang leader of something) than the one that affects hundreds or thousands of players.
Those small instigators are the ones most likely to become bigger instigators and are the ones most likely to be found by the new player just arriving into Eve.
The power of Eve, as you already know, comes from the emergent gameplay. If a newbie come to Eve and only play solo missions I can assure you this is a customer that will not stay. Once he or she comes, with exception of few, most finished up in high sec and being involved into a high sec corp is the best way to insure that this new player will stay.
Also it is important to take into consideration that, although Eve is a PvP game, it's PvP is often overwhelming to a newbie and most would start as industrial/mining players, trying to learn the intricacies of the game before dive into the PvP.
Why is this guys saying that in the POS thread anyway?
Because one of the biggest marketing tools of a high sec corp is a POS. It shows to the new players that they can participate in several activities (T2 manufacturing for instance) that would be far more difficult if they didn't have the POS. And goes without saying that to establish a POS is one of the most common milestones for new corps.
However the status of the POSes makes several people with experience maintaining them to run from them like the devil. I have been keeping a POS for almost a year, I even lived in a POS and tried to build a new corp in a WH (where you should live in a POS) but it was too much effort for something that is so long term (corps starting from scratch typically take some months to be able to standing still).
Revamping the POS is not something to help a few guys. These few guys affect far more.
And if you don't want to do a complete revamp, at least solve the weird stuff. Right now there is too much of it, security to start with...
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Stranger with Candy
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
9
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Posted - 2013.01.18 06:44:00 -
[2002] - Quote
+1 Post.
POS's are an important part of Eve and a nightmare to manage. And maybe you should look at your communication method when it comes to upcoming features. Instead of building anticipation/expectation before you're ready to follow through with the plans, STFU until you're actually committed to doing something. |
Tallianna Avenkarde
O C C U P Y
414
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Posted - 2013.01.18 06:48:00 -
[2003] - Quote
I posted, I can has jumping POS now pls?
And a sudden plunge in the sullen swell. Ten fathoms deep on the road to hell. |
shackdavid
SA-Brotherhood SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4
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Posted - 2013.01.18 06:56:00 -
[2004] - Quote
+1
@nd this "And maybe you should look at your communication method when it comes to upcoming features. Instead of building anticipation/expectation before you're ready to follow through with the plans, STFU until you're actually committed to doing something." |
Michael MitchellM
Facepunch Industries
2
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Posted - 2013.01.18 07:00:00 -
[2005] - Quote
ORLY CCP, not many people use POSes? Please, you must have some sort of Statistics collection, and if you do, I bet you will find that many, many people have and use POSes.
Also, if you do not have statistic collect, how does run a game so well? Please tell. |
Asayanami Dei
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
226
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Posted - 2013.01.18 07:09:00 -
[2006] - Quote
We are the 1%.
www.wormholefundamentals.com Adhocracy Promo 2012 |
Ris Dnalor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
419
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Posted - 2013.01.18 07:15:00 -
[2007] - Quote
MODULAR POS https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=118961
EvE = Everybody Vs. Everybody
- Qolde |
HelloKittti
Iron BaIIs
0
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Posted - 2013.01.18 07:17:00 -
[2008] - Quote
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Wander Prian
Frozen Dawn Inc Arctic Light
1
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Posted - 2013.01.18 07:18:00 -
[2009] - Quote
I support the overhaul of POS. I live in wormholes, and the current mechanic is pretty awful. fixing them would be a huge qualoty of life improvement for those who live in them and use them. Fix the POS. Pretty please CCP?
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Mike Azariah
Tolerance Training Academy Against ALL Anomalies
227
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Posted - 2013.01.18 07:19:00 -
[2010] - Quote
I owned and ran a pos, the stress almost drove me from the game. I eventually took it down and breathed a sigh of relief.
POS's are a small part of the game because only a few are hardy enough to keep them running.
Needs a fix,
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