That would be prefered but it might make the ship a bit OP.

I think if they gave the black ops a bonus like the MJD one along with a buff to the tank, it could finally be a fun ship to fly.

Ghost fleets of BS that simply can't be caught or fought unless they absolutely want to sounds cool on paper, but in a game environment probably sucks.

Current cloak is good enough.

Want to make the Black Ops more worthwhile flying?

Simple, give them their racial EWAR bonus.

Right now the only ship benefiting from it's racial EWAR bonus is the Widow, and to good effect, because why would I jump a billion isk ship into a fight, when I could throw a stealth bomber into the battle instead, with almost double the DPS at a fraction of the cost?

Making the Sin a long range point with damps, the Redeemer a close range neut boat like the Pilgrim and the Panther a web bonus like the rapier would make them more worth fielding.

- Dread

So blockades get ability to fit a covert cyno soon - but are they all getting a second hi slot?

No cloak is better than current cloak, while you do fly faster cloaked it trashed already bad scan res and takes a mid slot to recover the lost scan res from the cloak.

This is not the big Black Ops rebalance, and we here at CCP do not consider Black Ops "done" after these changes. We are putting these tweaks out now since it may be a while before we can get to the full Black Ops rebalance and we don't want to leave them in their current state in the meantime.

What if they got a hull bonus that negated that scan res penalty, or what if CCP gave them the ability to use a speed mod of some sort while cloaked? Like a covert BS MWD or AB?

This right here.

The price tag + skillpoint reqs are enough to not make them too OP. Maybe 2 kind of black ops battleships, like recon ships:

- "Tactical" BO: CO cloak, jump drive, bridge, DPS nerf and fleet bonus.
- Combat BO: No CO cloak, jump drive, no bridge, buff tank (current BO ships)

Example of Tactical BO would be khanid apocalipse with only 4 turret hardpoints and slots for bridge, cloak and gang mods.

Just want to remind everyone what was said in the OP of the thread:



So discussion of topics like future blackops revamp ideas and local chat are all well and good, but they're outside the scope of these specific changes for 1.1.

So blockades get ability to fit a covert cyno soon - but are they all getting a second hi slot?

Hit Point Comparison between the T1 Hull and Black Ops Hull

Armageddon Total HP = 18348, Lv 5 EHP = 29.5K, Lv 5 + Damage Control EHP = 44.7K
Redeemer Total HP = 14655, Lv 5 EHP = 24.3K, Lv 5 + Damage Control EHP = 36.5K

Dominix Total HP = 18321, Lv 5 EHP = 29.2K, Lv 5 + Damage Control EHP = 45.1K
Sin Total HP = 14655, Lv 5 EHP = 24K, Lv 5 + Damage Control EHP = 36.8K

Scorpion HP = 17579, Lv 5 EHP = 28.4K, Lv 5 + Damage Control EHP = 42.1K
Widow HP = 14062, Lv 5 EHP = 23.4K, Lv 5 + Damage Control EHP = 34.4K

Typhoon HP = 17891, Lv 5 EHP = 28.7K, Lv 5 + Damage Control EHP = 43.7K
Panther HP = 14311, Lv 5 EHP = 23.5K, Lv 5 + Damage Control EHP = 44.7K

If they get T2 Resists they will most likely have there HP adjusted to reflect this comparison. Stealth ships are squishier than their T1 counterpart, and the others can fit a covert ops cloak the black ops should be no different.

This is a really bad comparison, you're assuming someone is just fitting a DC for tank, nothing else, thing is T1 counterparts have much more EHP than you are showing here as they are capable of fitting more plates/ shield extenders/ what have you compared to their T2 counterparts, so the difference in EHP is MUCH bigger due to slot layouts and pwg/cpu output

Just want to remind everyone what was said in the OP of the thread:



So discussion of topics like future blackops revamp ideas and local chat are all well and good, but they're outside the scope of these specific changes for 1.1.

[[On a totally different note, when jumping to a cyno is now instant (like a gate), why not make it equivalent to x time in light years. The "Hot Drop" factor would decrease significantly and force better tactics.]]