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DeepScarlet	Posted - 2005.07.03 21:36:00 - [1] Changing 750k's sec increase back to the level of the others? Another nail in the coffin of empire piracy imo. As if it hasnt alredy been ground into the dirt enough. Why not do the opposite and change the rest up on par with the sec increase currently on 750k bs? 100 mission runners will look at this and say, well you're commiting piracy you should get some lasting concequences. But how about this. Lvl 4 missions sometimes see you blowing up many ships of different empire factions. How about you get that same heavy sec hit from killing those ships, to the point where working heavily for one faction could result in being atacked in that other empires space. As in the same kind of hits you take for piracy, is that not essentially what you are doing? Maybe balance some of the huge amounts of isk flow coming into eve from lvl 4's, make it have some kind of heavy penalty.
Boffin	Posted - 2005.07.03 21:38:00 - [2] When your standing with a given faction drops below -5.0, their forces do already attack you.
Tharrn	Posted - 2005.07.03 21:39:00 - [3] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=196243 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=196616 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=196564 Not enough yet?
DeepScarlet	Posted - 2005.07.03 21:40:00 - [4] Edited by: DeepScarlet on 03/07/2005 21:41:47 Edited by: DeepScarlet on 03/07/2005 21:41:08 Yes i know :I but the point was maybe agent runners should suffer a similar magnitude of sec stat hits as pirates belt pirating for actions against factions. EDIT: magnitude, i already know u can get shot at in others empires space with -5
Meehan	Posted - 2005.07.03 21:40:00 - [5] Originally by: DeepScarlet to the point where working heavily for one faction could result in being atacked in that other empires space. SIGNED
Claude Leon	Posted - 2005.07.03 21:43:00 - [6] Shut up! I am getting quite tired of this whining. Just as in life. If you make a choice you deal with the consequences. How come the only ones whining are gate gankers and wanna be pirates? You people make me sick. ===================================================
Balazs Simon	Posted - 2005.07.03 21:44:00 - [7] Guys, it was a BUG, never was intended to be that way.. they just fixed it... move along... nothing to see here...
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2005.07.03 21:44:00 - [8] Originally by: Claude Leon Shut up! I am getting quite tired of this whining. Just as in life. If you make a choice you deal with the consequences. How come the only ones whining are gate gankers and wanna be pirates? You people make me sick. How come you're the only one who gets to decide who is a "wanna be pirate"? -- Dark Shikari: POS Consultant! Want your POS to make money like mine do? I've designed POSs that make upwards of 50 million a day in profit--each! Just call me up--no ubermoons required!
DeepScarlet	Posted - 2005.07.03 21:46:00 - [9] Originally by: Claude Leon Shut up! I am getting quite tired of this whining. Just as in life. If you make a choice you deal with the consequences. How come the only ones whining are gate gankers and wanna be pirates? You people make me sick. You sir, must be a very new player. Pirates have every right to whine after everything that has happened to the profession. When it began jumps didnt go gate to gate, no sentry guns, no flagging. I miss those days. This is discussion not a whine anyway.
Arcticblue2	Posted - 2005.07.03 21:47:00 - [10] It does not nerf empire pirating, unless you think of suicide ganking in empire ... that is not pirate stuff, taking out people in 0.4 and lower is piracy. What this mean is you got to think twice before you pod someone... or it will cost you ALOT... ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor. 13:11
McBane	Posted - 2005.07.03 21:47:00 - [11] It was pretty obviously a mistake the big sec increases from certain rats in the first place, its just gone back to how it used to be. Wasn't a big deal back then. It does raise the issue of how to raise your sec status in any kind of reasonable timeframe however, but then again, really if you choose the life of a pirate you should be stuck with that - or have to work incredibly hard to rebuild your reputation (sec status).
Claude Leon	Posted - 2005.07.03 21:48:00 - [12] Edited by: Claude Leon on 03/07/2005 21:49:15 Originally by: DeepScarlet Originally by: Claude Leon Shut up! I am getting quite tired of this whining. Just as in life. If you make a choice you deal with the consequences. How come the only ones whining are gate gankers and wanna be pirates? You people make me sick. You sir, must be a very new player. Pirates have every right to whine after everything that has happened to the profession. When it began jumps didnt go gate to gate, no sentry guns, no flagging. I miss those days. This is discussion not a whine anyway. Just like Balazs Simon stated, "it was a bug that needed to be fixed". DeepScarlet or Ms.Alt, I am far from new. You have the option of either adapting or leaving. If you leave, can I have your stuff? Yarr, to that. ===================================================
DeepScarlet	Posted - 2005.07.03 21:49:00 - [13] Originally by: Arcticblue2 It does not nerf empire pirating, unless you think of suicide ganking in empire ... that is not pirate stuff, taking out people in 0.4 and lower is piracy. Yes, it does. It makes you're sec very hard to recover and simply makes empire piracy extremely undesirable, given that eve these days is so .5-1.0 central
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.07.03 21:50:00 - [14] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 03/07/2005 21:51:57 Originally by: Claude Leon You people make me sick. People like you make me sick This change is the first step towards World of EvecraftÖ, where everyone can enjoy being locked into a single career path. Once you become a pirate you will never be able to go back, if CCP wants to fix this bug (Tbh i think the other rats should be brought up to par) then they should offer alternartive ways of becoming a good guy again. ------------------ [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Xelios	Posted - 2005.07.03 21:51:00 - [15] Just means that pirates won't be able to enter 0.5 or above, don't see the big deal really. That's how it was intended from day 1. If you need to enter >0.5 space either use an alt or get someone to do whatever it is you need to do there for you.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2005.07.03 21:54:00 - [16] Originally by: Xelios Just means that pirates won't be able to enter 0.5 or above, don't see the big deal really. That's how it was intended from day 1. If you need to enter >0.5 space either use an alt or get someone to do whatever it is you need to do there for you. Thats how its always been and is obviously not the problem, the problem will be not being able to gain any sec status what so ever. Mining should cause faction standing hits and pirate faction stations should gank people they have crappy standings with. ------------------ [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
decon blue	Posted - 2005.07.03 22:02:00 - [17] It is smiple. You do the crime then you must do the time. It is your choice to be a pirate. At least I know I won't be seeing your face again for up to 89 days
Olivin	Posted - 2005.07.03 22:02:00 - [18] Originally by: DeepScarlet But how about this. Lvl 4 missions sometimes see you blowing up many ships of different empire factions. How about you get that same heavy sec hit from killing those ships, to the point where working heavily for one faction could result in being atacked in that other empires space. As in the same kind of hits you take for piracy, is that not essentially what you are doing? Actually, they have. It's called faction standings. Anyway, how about: Problem 1: I am so ubber and evil pirate, but I can't exploit 750k bug anymore and shop in Yulai after I ganked bunch of nooblets. Solution: Hire traders to shop for you. Problem solved. Problem 2: I am so ubber and evil pirate, but I can't exploit 750k bug anymore and giant sign -10.0 across my face will stick for an unreasonable amount of game time. Solution: All carebears feel sorry for you. Better now? And it's cool! Now everyone know that you are a true, evil pirate who won't suddenly transform to flufy carebear by pressing "I am good" button. Problem 3: I am so ubber and evil pirate, but I can't exploit 750k bug anymore and now I can't go to Empire to prey. Solution: Run Forest, run! You still have 3 days to grind you way out of misery. Wait. Empire is for nooblets, carebears and other morons who are not members of the ubber l33t risk vs reward club. So, what are you doing in Empire in the first place? You shouldn't be in this sandbox. It's wrong. Very wrong! So, loose the pampers. Adapt. Move to 0.0. Problem 4: I am so ubber and evil pirate, but I can't exploit 750k bug anymore and now my movement restricted to 0.0 Solution: Read patch notes and check NWO. Problem solved. Problem 5: I am so ubber and evil pirate, but I can't exploit 750k bug anymore and can't switch between "good" and "bad" mode when I feel like. Solution: Perhaps you are not a real pirate? Because pirates are always bad. They kill, harass and blackmail for profit and pleasure. But if you have some freaking ideals, or not sure what time during the day you feel "evil", please, feel free to pay for the psychiatrist consultation. As an alternative, you can join RP corp Evil Carebears and wardec noobs in Empire. Olivin
Uncle George	Posted - 2005.07.03 22:02:00 - [19] Originally by: DeepScarlet Originally by: Claude Leon Shut up! I am getting quite tired of this whining. Just as in life. If you make a choice you deal with the consequences. How come the only ones whining are gate gankers and wanna be pirates? You people make me sick. You sir, must be a very new player. Pirates have every right to whine after everything that has happened to the profession. When it began jumps didnt go gate to gate, no sentry guns, no flagging. I miss those days. This is discussion not a whine anyway. Whooohooo! Those were the days!!! It wasn't Eve Online back then, it was "Pirate Ganking YOU N00B At A High Sec Gate Camp And We Got The Fraps Online!". Do you want your own server?
infused	Posted - 2005.07.03 22:03:00 - [20] Originally by: Claude Leon Shut up! I am getting quite tired of this whining. Just as in life. If you make a choice you deal with the consequences. How come the only ones whining are gate gankers and wanna be pirates? You people make me sick. Yes, shut up empire carebear pirate. [World Domination]
Xelios	Posted - 2005.07.03 22:06:00 - [21] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Xelios Just means that pirates won't be able to enter 0.5 or above, don't see the big deal really. That's how it was intended from day 1. If you need to enter >0.5 space either use an alt or get someone to do whatever it is you need to do there for you. Thats how its always been and is obviously not the problem, the problem will be not being able to gain any sec status what so ever. Mining should cause faction standing hits and pirate faction stations should gank people they have crappy standings with. That's how it has to be though, otherwise you have pirates killing players for a week, npc'ing for a few days and being right back up to acceptable sec status, as if nothing ever happened. That's not how CCP intended piracy to be at all. The only time it'd be a problem is if a pirate decides he doesn't want to pirate anymore, for good. But really changing occupations like that is a problem for any occupation in the game. To go from a miner to an agent ***** you have to spend weeks building up standings with npc corps. To go from a pvper to a production char you have to train a truckload of skills, spend time acquiring a ton of minerals and bp's and find yourself free factory/research slots. Don't forget that pirating isn't the only pvp out there. If all you want is pvp there's plenty of fighting in 0.0. If you want to pirate you better be committed to a life of piracy so to speak, I see it as reserved for those who really love their pvp and don't want to deal with anything else. Simply put, if you're not ready to make a career out of it stick to something else.
Vanesa Garcia	Posted - 2005.07.03 22:08:00 - [22] Originally by: Olivin Problem 1: I am so ubber and evil pirate, but I can't exploit 750k bug anymore and shop in Yulai after I ganked bunch of nooblets. Solution: Hire traders to shop for you. Problem solved. Problem 2: I am so ubber and evil pirate, but I can't exploit 750k bug anymore and giant sign -10.0 across my face will stick for an unreasonable amount of game time. Solution: All carebears feel sorry for you. Better now? And it's cool! Now everyone know that you are a true, evil pirate who won't suddenly transform to flufy carebear by pressing "I am good" button. Problem 3: I am so ubber and evil pirate, but I can't exploit 750k bug anymore and now I can't go to Empire to prey. Solution: Run Forest, run! You still have 3 days to grind you way out of misery. Wait. Empire is for nooblets, carebears and other morons who are not members of the ubber l33t risk vs reward club. So, what are you doing in Empire in the first place? You shouldn't be in this sandbox. It's wrong. Very wrong! So, loose the pampers. Adapt. Move to 0.0. Problem 4: I am so ubber and evil pirate, but I can't exploit 750k bug anymore and now my movement restricted to 0.0 Solution: Read patch notes and check NWO. Problem solved. Problem 5: I am so ubber and evil pirate, but I can't exploit 750k bug anymore and can't switch between "good" and "bad" mode when I feel like. Solution: Perhaps you are not a real pirate? Because pirates are always bad. They kill, harass and blackmail for profit and pleasure. But if you have some freaking ideals, or not sure what time during the day you feel "evil", please, feel free to pay for the psychiatrist consultation. As an alternative, you can join RP corp Evil Carebears and wardec noobs in Empire. Good solutions. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ \| There are people kinda "living" and people kinda "dead" \| -----------------------------------------------------
Namarus	Posted - 2005.07.03 22:31:00 - [23] Originally by: Olivin Actually, they have. It's called faction standings. Anyway, how about: Problem 1: I am so ubber and evil pirate, but I can't exploit 750k bug anymore and shop in Yulai after I ganked bunch of nooblets. Solution: Hire traders to shop for you. Problem solved. Problem 2: I am so ubber and evil pirate, but I can't exploit 750k bug anymore and giant sign -10.0 across my face will stick for an unreasonable amount of game time. Solution: All carebears feel sorry for you. Better now? And it's cool! Now everyone know that you are a true, evil pirate who won't suddenly transform to flufy carebear by pressing "I am good" button. Problem 3: I am so ubber and evil pirate, but I can't exploit 750k bug anymore and now I can't go to Empire to prey. Solution: Run Forest, run! You still have 3 days to grind you way out of misery. Wait. Empire is for nooblets, carebears and other morons who are not members of the ubber l33t risk vs reward club. So, what are you doing in Empire in the first place? You shouldn't be in this sandbox. It's wrong. Very wrong! So, loose the pampers. Adapt. Move to 0.0. Problem 4: I am so ubber and evil pirate, but I can't exploit 750k bug anymore and now my movement restricted to 0.0 Solution: Read patch notes and check NWO. Problem solved. Problem 5: I am so ubber and evil pirate, but I can't exploit 750k bug anymore and can't switch between "good" and "bad" mode when I feel like. Solution: Perhaps you are not a real pirate? Because pirates are always bad. They kill, harass and blackmail for profit and pleasure. But if you have some freaking ideals, or not sure what time during the day you feel "evil", please, feel free to pay for the psychiatrist consultation. As an alternative, you can join RP corp Evil Carebears and wardec noobs in Empire. Olivin Well said. WTB +5 Charisma/Perception/Willpower
Ben Derindar	Posted - 2005.07.03 22:42:00 - [24] Ever noticed how many of the baddest of the bad these days have -1.9 security status? What is right about that? Finally, with this change, a pilot's security status will become a more accurate reflection of how naughty/nice that pilot actually is. /Ben
Ivana Killya	Posted - 2005.07.03 22:56:00 - [25] See if you all think this is good in time, pirates will just think stuff it and go -10 then the ganking will begin for real. nothing to gain nothing to lose! but time will tell
Uncle George	Posted - 2005.07.03 23:00:00 - [26] Originally by: Ivana Killya See if you all think this is good in time, pirates will just think stuff it and go -10 then the ganking will begin for real. nothing to gain nothing to lose! but time will tell Lol - they might - but if they get too out of hand, CCP will smack them down with the nerf bat again. They aren't good for $$$ (real money).
Rafein	Posted - 2005.07.03 23:11:00 - [27] Honestly, every reply that Pirates used to justify their attacks on others can be used here. 1. If you can't stand the loss, avoid the fight. Worked for the miners mining in low sec, now works for the pirates as well. 2. Bring friends. Worked before for the miners mining in unsecure space, will work now with pirates needing "friends' to enter Empire for them. Bascially everything a Pirate ever said to a Carebear is now also true for the Pirate. I can see how unbalancing it is to have both sides balanced.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2005.07.03 23:12:00 - [28] You realise by posting in these threads, you're making yourself prime targets for "pirate" wardecs im Empire, right? "Corpse cannot be fitted onto ship. Only hardware modules can be fitted."
Reapo 2	Posted - 2005.07.03 23:19:00 - [29] Well if 750k rats are getting fixed then so should jet cans. Make them the sized of ur ships hold. everything was ok with 750ks as it is now so why should they change ok it wasnt meant to be like it but neither was jet can mining, it has now turned into a 'way of life' sorta thing every1 was/is happy like it is now so why change :( it will just cause more whining by carebears (like me but not my main :P) about masses of pirates at gate camps, remember theres even more gates to camp with NWO ;) /Reapo2
Uncle George	Posted - 2005.07.03 23:19:00 - [30] Originally by: Maya Rkell You realise by posting in these threads, you're making yourself prime targets for "pirate" wardecs im Empire, right? Exactly why I don't post with my main.

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