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Dessau
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:44:00 -
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Bad player and casual lowsec resident here. OP's suggestion of reversing a fundamental principle of EVE is not the way.
- I've been both unfortunate (lag) and foolish (pilot error) enough to be podded in lowsec. I observed EVE's golden rule and took my lumps. It ain't hard.
- Nothing wrong with the jumpclone mechanic. Keeping clones in various lowsec systems is a viable means for soloists to avoid station camps. It is only incovenient to swap clones if you keep unlike 'lesser' implants in some clones to mitigate your risk. The 'inconvenience' of slower training time is a price paid for reduced monetary risk.
- No CONCORD, no bubbles; lowsec is its own reward.
The way to get more pilots into lowsec is for players to relax their sphincters about space pixels and enjoy the thrill of engagement against other players. As someone who can only play a few hours per week, lowsec provides me with quality fights, potentially winnable and with no bullshit. I had a great time during each loss on my ****** January killboard.
Solo is one player, one pilot. |
celebro
Confederate States of Eve
48
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:53:00 -
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Dessau wrote:
The way to get more pilots into lowsec is for players to relax their sphincters.
People rarely change , games do.
I'm not going to clone jump to poke my head in low sec for 5 mins. Clone jumping is broken cool down period of 24hrs is way too much. |
Dave Stark
1694
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:58:00 -
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celebro wrote:
The rewards are no where close to risk +5 implants. Anyways if its so easy to get away, what difference would it make to the podders, if i get to keep my implants. Something fishy going on, I see pods kills in low sec all the time on the eve map.
EDIT:Anyways I want to see whats out there from time to time, not for the isk, just to explore and have some fun. Maybe I spend an hour maybe 10mins, not enough reason to Clone jump.
if it's so easy to get away, the difference to the podders is that they're deprived of a nice killmail when you **** up. you also don't get punished for ******* up, and you should be.
make an alt and take a rookie frig if you "just want to see what's there"
if the risk isn't worth it, jump to a different clone or don't go. stop asking the game to be made easier for you because you're risk averse or scared.
"100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Diamond Bull
State War Academy
Caldari State
101
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Posted - 2013.01.25 19:59:00 -
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Ildryn wrote:Diamond Bull wrote:Dear CCP,
The people in Low actually don't want more people in Low unless those people are hindered by the game in ways that makes them easily exploitable. The people of Low only want more easy ganks to pad their killboards. They do not actually want more people to fight. They want more people to kill. In order to improve the population of Low you must get rid of these people who are interested in only easy high profit/low risk kills. I have no idea how to do this. Maybe by increasing the risk that Pirates must experience in order to set a trap on a gate or a station?
Nah, that wouldn't work.
Moral of the story? Low is only broken because of the asshats that have populated it.
Toodles!
You are a ******* moron. I will bet my wallet that without killboards. People still get killed and podded. Post with your main coward.
Did I ever claim to PvP? I skillfully avoid it. I've never claimed otherwise. However, this post is an excellent illustration of the kind of people that cause people like me to say low isn't worth the trouble what-so-ever.
As I said in my other post. Low is fun until l33t PvP idiots decide to stalk you because they have nothing better to do. Then its tedious and that isn't CCP's fault. The occasional encounter is fine. The occasional cat and mouse is fun. Its the attitude and the play style that comes with it. The station games, the gate camps, the gtfoing every time there is an iota of resistance and the local chat full of lines and lines of the kind of talk this guy displays. Nothing in low is worth that kind of annoyance.
Low is broken because of the people that congregate there. Not because of anything CCP did.
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Dessau
99
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:06:00 -
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celebro wrote:People rarely change , games do.
I agree, which is why I've always been of the mind that you can never entice a 'true carebear' to leave highsec. It's who they are.
celebro wrote:I'm not going to clone jump to poke my head in low sec for 5 mins. Clone jumping is broken cool down period of 24hrs is way too much.
The cooldown ensures pilots fly ships through space, which is what the game is about for the most part. But you already knew that. ;)
Solo is one player, one pilot. |
Ambrocio Hanaya
Belmont Consortium
0
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:15:00 -
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With my limited experience at the moment I say the best way for anyone to go into Low-Sec and be successful is to have a group and do it. Or, just run the gate-camp and get away from the high-low entry system. It seems the further you get from that gate, the less likely you are to run into anyone.
Low-sec seems to be controlled by gate campers and that is it. No industry flowing, no real large groups except in a few areas. High sec people are just plain scared stiff of even thinking about going into low-sec and refuse to even try. I've been out in low/null since week 2 of playing and finding it to be a pretty simple process of just watching your surroundings moreso then in High. Low is pretty much 0.5 space, except instead of being cautious about everyone around, you smply do not want anyone around you lol.
Which is very odd to me. Low-Sec is much more profitable then High - Sec and I am just astounded that just because you CAN destroy someone, that is all anyone ever does. Astounds me. Just imagine low - sec with industrial ships, miners, explorers, etc. being within the systems because you don't have every single inhabitant of low-sec wanting to do nothing more then kill anyone around. It would be high-sec on steroids with more defensive Corps providing fleet protection. Would be awesome.
But nope, low-sec is nothing but the entry system being gate camped, and it being a pure dead-zone the rest of the way through.
How to beat that and go into low-sec? Get 10 guys together, destroy the gate camp, go into high - sec local and let people know the way into low is open and free of gate campers, let them through and let them play the f'in game! |
Some Rando
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
795
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:28:00 -
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Ambrocio Hanaya wrote:How to beat that and go into low-sec? Get 10 guys together, destroy the gate camp, go into high - sec local and let people know the way into low is open and free of gate campers,
Then, if they're dumb enough to believe you, kill them with the gate camp you just set up.
Malcanis for CSM8 |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
Paper Tiger Coalition
784
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:31:00 -
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celebro wrote:
The rewards are no where close to risk +5 implants. Anyways if its so easy to get away, what difference would it make to the podders, if i get to keep my implants. Something fishy going on, I see pods kills in low sec all the time on the eve map.
EDIT:Anyways I want to see whats out there from time to time, not for the isk, just to explore and have some fun. Maybe I spend an hour maybe 10mins, not enough reason to Clone jump.
SIGh , BUT WHY DO YOU NEED +5 IMPLANTS ALL THE TIME ?
Appearantly getting through that thick skull takes caps. Keep one clone with +2 or +3 , does not cost much and you can do in lowsec as you please.What difference does it make timewise if you are gonna be playing eve for a long time?And if you are not gonna play for a long time then it would make even less a role if you had them plugged in or not.
What is so hard about understanding the risk is what YOU make of it.You HAVE the option to create more clones , yoou HAVE the option to keep 1 clone without implants or with cheap implants as such the PROBLEM is being made by you not by low-sec or it's inhabitants.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Kamden Line
Lightbringer's Sanctuary
RAZOR Alliance
122
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Posted - 2013.01.25 20:37:00 -
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It's so easy to not get podded in low sec that I regularly run through there all the time in +5s. If you get podded in lowsec, you completely deserve it. |
Theodoric Darkwind
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
225
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Posted - 2013.01.25 22:34:00 -
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Minmatar Citizen160812 wrote:Or just learn how to save your friggen pod in low sec....
^^ if you know what you are doing you should never lose a pod in lowsec (barring disconnects or desyncs :ccp:)
you dont even have to worry about bubbles haha.
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
Home Front Coalition
303
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Posted - 2013.01.25 23:41:00 -
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I always suspected that those expressing the sentiment that we need more people in lowsec simply have trouble with the social aspect of EvE, somehow not ending up in the right player corporation and / or not being able to deter or annihilate opposing forces on their turf. What I don't get is people's connection with lowsec and pod death... going suspect in hisec may very well end in the same result. I do agree some implants are so expensive losing them is a pita, which might keep some people out of pvp in general.
On the other hand, it keeps other people in. As I understand it the implants business can be quite lucrative. |
Chortle Chortle
1
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Posted - 2013.01.26 00:48:00 -
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Op is bad and should feel bad. I means seriously, at that point why not just automatically replace the entire ship in station when you die?
Actually, not sure if op is trolling at this point. If so 8/10. |
Not Politically Correct
Veerhouven Ventures
89
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Posted - 2013.01.26 00:52:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:celebro wrote:
The rewards are no where close to risk +5 implants. Anyways if its so easy to get away, what difference would it make to the podders, if i get to keep my implants. Something fishy going on, I see pods kills in low sec all the time on the eve map.
EDIT:Anyways I want to see whats out there from time to time, not for the isk, just to explore and have some fun. Maybe I spend an hour maybe 10mins, not enough reason to Clone jump.
if it's so easy to get away, the difference to the podders is that they're deprived of a nice killmail when you **** up. you also don't get punished for ******* up, and you should be. make an alt and take a rookie frig if you "just want to see what's there" if the risk isn't worth it, jump to a different clone or don't go. stop asking the game to be made easier for you because you're risk averse or scared.
Why not just make an alt, don't train it at all, and send it to Low Sec every few minutes, where it gets killed?
Well, that would make you happy, but I really don't care about your happiness. |
Ildryn
The Inf1dels
77
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Posted - 2013.01.26 00:59:00 -
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Diamond Bull wrote:
Did I ever claim to PvP? I skillfully avoid it. I've never claimed otherwise. However, this post is an excellent illustration of the kind of people that cause people like me to say low isn't worth the trouble what-so-ever.
As I said in my other post. Low is fun until l33t PvP idiots decide to stalk you because they have nothing better to do. Then its tedious and that isn't CCP's fault. The occasional encounter is fine. The occasional cat and mouse is fun. Its the attitude and the play style that comes with it. The station games, the gate camps, the gtfoing every time there is an iota of resistance and the local chat full of lines and lines of the kind of talk this guy displays. Nothing in low is worth that kind of annoyance.
Low is broken because of the people that congregate there. Not because of anything CCP did.
You must be really slow.
"The people of Low only want more easy ganks to pad their killboards."
This is what i was addressing.
It is wrong. If you are too cowardly to post with your main character why do you post at all?
You are worse than pirates that camp gates. You are a ***** forum warrior.
You probably haven't even undocked with Diamond Bull and likely don't plan to.
You are what needs to go. You and all the alt warriors that claim they know it all. |
NEONOVUS
Saablast Followers
305
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Posted - 2013.01.26 01:12:00 -
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Ildryn wrote:Diamond Bull wrote:
Did I ever claim to PvP? I skillfully avoid it. I've never claimed otherwise. However, this post is an excellent illustration of the kind of people that cause people like me to say low isn't worth the trouble what-so-ever.
As I said in my other post. Low is fun until l33t PvP idiots decide to stalk you because they have nothing better to do. Then its tedious and that isn't CCP's fault. The occasional encounter is fine. The occasional cat and mouse is fun. Its the attitude and the play style that comes with it. The station games, the gate camps, the gtfoing every time there is an iota of resistance and the local chat full of lines and lines of the kind of talk this guy displays. Nothing in low is worth that kind of annoyance.
Low is broken because of the people that congregate there. Not because of anything CCP did.
You must be really slow. "The people of Low only want more easy ganks to pad their killboards." This is what i was addressing. It is wrong. If you are too cowardly to post with your main character why do you post at all? You are worse than pirates that camp gates. You are a ***** forum warrior. You probably haven't even undocked with Diamond Bull and likely don't plan to. You are what needs to go. You and all the alt warriors that claim they know it all.
Actually I agree with Diamond Bull (Great name by the way)
I ran a POS out of Rarvarath (lowsec near Amarr) and another near Bei.
At all points the place kept getting camped and whenever I came back in a comabt ship, the campers scattered.
Well except for the one group who decided to do a run while I was helping setup a POS, that one was fun as while I lost it was still a good event.
In fact the ones I made the KRs availible for on Retribution sent me pure strong hate mail for their losses, insulted my manliness and then some.
All because they lost their hisec invuln.
So yeah first hand experience with KB padders.
Or do you forget the fine folks in Rancer?
Seriously a great place to play EVE roulette.
With a semiautomatic |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Air
The Unthinkables
2645
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Posted - 2013.01.26 01:13:00 -
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i don't live in lowsec but I imagine the current residents don't want players like the OP in lowsec |
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
775
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Posted - 2013.01.26 02:02:00 -
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While the knee-jerk answer to OP is jump clones...
Actually, I take it back: Knee-jerk answer to everything in EvE forum is to troll like someone who got rejected from the Jersey Shore cast for being too much of a douchebag.
Wait, where was I? Oh yes jump clones... but the mechanics of jump clones needs a review, IMHO. For the newer player, the standing requirements are pretty darn high, and the 24 hour turnover is too long. I think CCP should reduce the standing requirements for JC use to be much lower - maybe even down to zero for people who've signed up for FW militia - and the turnover should be reduced to just 2 to 4 hours at most.
That would get a lot more people involved in low-sec, null-sec and all the PvP stuff you love so much.
EvE Forum Bingo |
Dave Stark
1707
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Posted - 2013.01.26 09:04:00 -
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Not Politically Correct wrote:Dave Stark wrote:celebro wrote:
The rewards are no where close to risk +5 implants. Anyways if its so easy to get away, what difference would it make to the podders, if i get to keep my implants. Something fishy going on, I see pods kills in low sec all the time on the eve map.
EDIT:Anyways I want to see whats out there from time to time, not for the isk, just to explore and have some fun. Maybe I spend an hour maybe 10mins, not enough reason to Clone jump.
if it's so easy to get away, the difference to the podders is that they're deprived of a nice killmail when you **** up. you also don't get punished for ******* up, and you should be. make an alt and take a rookie frig if you "just want to see what's there" if the risk isn't worth it, jump to a different clone or don't go. stop asking the game to be made easier for you because you're risk averse or scared. Why not just make an alt, don't train it at all, and send it to Low Sec every few minutes, where it gets killed? Well, that would make you happy, but I really don't care about your happiness. EDIT: Sorry. That may sound un-friendly, but you certainly don't care about any of the parts of the game that I enjoy. And I pay the same fees that you do.
actually, it wouldn't make me happy, it'd make you happy. because all you want to do is "see what's there".
i provided you a solution to your problem, you rejected it for.... no reason what so ever.
"100k for notifications of stupidity, i love this bounty system." |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
13823
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Posted - 2013.01.26 12:26:00 -
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Don't want implant loss? Then either learn how to avoid it, or don't fly with what you cannot afford to lose.
CCP Zulu.....
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
12799
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Posted - 2013.01.26 12:48:00 -
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Mag's wrote:Don't want implant loss? Then either learn how to avoid it, or don't fly with what you cannot afford to lose.
I'm leaning more and more towards removing JCs as a means of storing implant sets GÇö one set goes for all clones GÇö and instead give implants a limited ability to be unplugged, probably based on some completely different timer that can then be manipulated and balanced separately from the JC timerGǪ and maybe a nice install cost as well.
Vote Malcanis for CSM8. |
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
138
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Posted - 2013.01.26 13:16:00 -
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This thread is full of people with enough isk to buy implants ten times over but they don't want to loose them or learn to spam warp when they about to assplode. Should name this thread: Pathetic ideas to make a respawn button. |
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
506
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Posted - 2013.01.26 13:29:00 -
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Diamond Bull wrote:Dear CCP,
The people in Low actually don't want more people in Low unless those people are hindered by the game in ways that makes them easily exploitable. The people of Low only want more easy ganks to pad their killboards. They do not actually want more people to fight. They want more people to kill. In order to improve the population of Low you must get rid of these people who are interested in only easy high profit/low risk kills. I have no idea how to do this. Maybe by increasing the risk that Pirates must experience in order to set a trap on a gate or a station?
Nah, that wouldn't work.
Moral of the story? Low is only broken because of the asshats that have populated it.
Toodles!
Simple:
Don't go there.
If you still want to move there a couple hours:
Find 10/15 friends with hard hitting stuff, logis, ECM and watch most of those uber elite crowd disappear and kiss safe spots/POS/stations.
Most of them don't want fights, they want to shoot helpless ships or only attack with superior numbers, this is Eve and this is the only valuable pvp form in the game: numbers
Gò¡Gê¬Gò«n+ên+¦n++n+¦n+ëGò¡Gê¬Gò«-á don't haten++ |
Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
13826
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Posted - 2013.01.26 13:56:00 -
[83] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Mag's wrote:Don't want implant loss? Then either learn how to avoid it, or don't fly with what you cannot afford to lose. I'm leaning more and more towards removing JCs as a means of storing implant sets GÇö one set goes for all clones GÇö and instead give implants a limited ability to be unplugged, probably based on some completely different timer that can then be manipulated and balanced separately from the JC timerGǪ and maybe a nice install cost as well. Ahh I see your point. With this you could have all your implants in one station and depending on the timer, swap them over for a cost. The timer and cost, means it's still restrictive.
This could in fact remove JC's altogether, making Eve a much larger area again. But I guess that's for another debate.
CCP Zulu.....
Forcing players to dock at the captain's quarters is a form of what we actually wanted to get through, which is making Incarna a seamless part of the EVE Online experience. |
Optimo Sebiestor
The Society
Calyxes
144
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Posted - 2013.01.26 17:53:00 -
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Dheeradj Nurgle
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
210
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Posted - 2013.01.26 18:19:00 -
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Disclaimer; I only read the OP.
How are you even losing your Pod in Lowsec. Are you going on Autopilot? Your Pod warps before it can even allign, and not even a instalocking T3 will catch you. You should be spamming a "safe spot" the moment you're hitting Structure. |
Bel Rick
Fun Inc
2
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Posted - 2013.01.27 07:13:00 -
[86] - Quote
In what way is losing implants fun?
In what way does the victim NOT losing their implants deminish the fun for the podder?
In what way does encouraging people to sit in station or high sec to avoid losing implants that:
a: are a must. (some of you plebs forget that)
b: cost as much as a faction bb.
I don't most of your attitudes.
Are you thinking logical adults?
Or immature fanbois?
Why are we here?
To have fun in one form or another.
The devs that lose sight of that lose sight of their custom.
Just as well sometimes that eve has no competitors in this genre. |
adopt
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
496
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Posted - 2013.01.27 15:31:00 -
[87] - Quote
Diamond Bull wrote:Dear CCP,
The people in Low actually don't want more people in Low unless those people are hindered by the game in ways that makes them easily exploitable. The people of Low only want more easy ganks to pad their killboards. They do not actually want more people to fight. They want more people to kill. In order to improve the population of Low you must get rid of these people who are interested in only easy high profit/low risk kills. I have no idea how to do this. Maybe by increasing the risk that Pirates must experience in order to set a trap on a gate or a station?
Nah, that wouldn't work.
Moral of the story? Low is only broken because of the asshats that have populated it.
Toodles!
We only profit from your stupidity.
Shadoo > Always remember to fit Cynosural Field Generator I, have 450 Liquid Ozone in your cargo and convo a friendly Pandemic Legion member if you have a capital or super capital ship tackled.
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Corey Fumimasa
The Advent of Faith
71
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Posted - 2013.01.27 16:06:00 -
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Diamond Bull wrote:Dear CCP,
The people in Low actually don't want more people in Low unless those people are hindered by the game in ways that makes them easily exploitable. The people of Low only want more easy ganks to pad their killboards. They do not actually want more people to fight. They want more people to kill. In order to improve the population of Low you must get rid of these people who are interested in only easy high profit/low risk kills. I have no idea how to do this. Maybe by increasing the risk that Pirates must experience in order to set a trap on a gate or a station?
Nah, that wouldn't work.
Moral of the story? Low is only broken because of the asshats that have populated it.
Toodles!
Do you spend much time in lowsec Diamond? I do, I live down in Genisis and often fly from Gondista to Amarr. I like the people there, and the fights, and the challenge of it all. I'm not a ganker or a pirate but I like the fact that those players are there.
Its actually very difficult to catch a careful pilot who knows how to fly.
The OP was just looking to lower his risk and get into a little PvP. I don't agree with him because for those of us who live in low expensive implants are something we only plug in after careful consideration because imho lowsec is the worst place in the game to make ISK.
What he is suggesting would give him the ISK advantage of having the implants when wanted, without the risk.
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |
Corey Fumimasa
The Advent of Faith
71
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Posted - 2013.01.27 16:15:00 -
[89] - Quote
Sergeant Acht Scultz wrote:
Simple:
Don't go there.
If you still want to move there a couple hours:
Find 10/15 friends with hard hitting stuff, logis, ECM and watch most of those uber elite crowd disappear and kiss safe spots/POS/stations.
Most of them don't want fights, they want to shoot helpless ships or only attack with superior numbers, this is Eve and this is the only valuable pvp form in the game: numbers
That's just not true. I get attacked on a regular basis while ratting. Solo pilots just out looking for a fight. They run away once they get close enough to understand that my ship is often not a good target, and they seldomly come back with a gang. Just guys out looking for 1v1.
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |
Corey Fumimasa
The Advent of Faith
72
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Posted - 2013.01.27 16:38:00 -
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Bel Rick wrote:In what way is losing implants fun?
In what way does the victim NOT losing their implants deminish the fun for the podder?
In what way does encouraging people to sit in station or high sec to avoid losing implants that:
a: are a must. (some of you plebs forget that)
b: cost as much as a faction bb.
....
Scoring kills that have a lot of ISK is better than scoring kills with a little ISK. Some people just use the ISK war to keep score, your either on the loosing side or the winning side.
Why are implants a must? I keep some in, but nothing I cant afford, same as the ships that I fly.
I think its just a different mindset; high v low. And its funny most of the threads I see on the subject are not started by low sec players asking for more players in low. They are started by high sec players who want to go there but are scared of loosing something.
This is a youtube playlist going over my first 30 ship losses. Video sucks but the audio came out well.There are some good lessons, and if you know the game there's some funny stories. |
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